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the i'm action redundancy, we're going underground digging of the narratives. the circled main street media. i want you to hear coming up in the show while the eyes of the world are on the middle east. we investigate another country, destroyed by nature intervention, libya and ask the man who was more mug. happy this relation minister. it will take another good for you to lift the you can bomb the country out of chaos. and on julian independence day, we speak to the man behind the arrest of chillies, late the liberal dictator, august finish, and the only presidential adviser who survived the ca, back military attack. well, nominated palace pays away for the liberalism all around the world from patrick britain to russia. all the more coming up in today's going up the grammar 1st, while nature government more u. s. defeated f canister while supporting the occupation of syria. what about libya before you k bombing africa's richest per capita country coming up to 10 years since the nature back to killing of mamma get alfie? could his son say father's love be the answer? joining me now is mom, i get out these former information minister mussa abraham. thank you so much. moose
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of are coming back on the show. i got off 1st of all, why are in cairo and other people in cairo after all, there's a half general half to form a ca asset. the meeting with president ccsi. i think that the libyan speaker will s other isa is that it's all happening in egypt. it seems why you that i am here to coordinate our political work with my libby and colleagues. we believe as always, that the solution for the librium problems should be conducted an executed by the libyan people themselves. cairo in egypt is a neighboring capital. egypt is a very important country to us, and we have a major libyan community here. and now the different political leaders of libya are coming to discuss the libyans situation. we here to
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be present to be active and to remind the world that the majority in libya has been silenced by nato, as bombed by natives intervention and by natives agents. and we need to listen to the people not to the political elite or to the foreign powers. so did you me general after and is general, have to are going to run in december's elections and is safe all good f e, going to run in december's elections as he promised from geneva back in 2018. well say for good doctor. he has a very clear and pack your check. if i may say project, he announced that he talked about, talked about that very frankly, to the live young people. his project is a project of a national dialogue and reconciliation. he's a known political figure in the country. he is supported by most of the libyan
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tribes. that is why the west is terrified for the presence of ken duffy the the recent developments we all had what the assistant secretary of state of the u. s. said that they would refuse to deal with any libya headed device if and as, as if the destiny and civilian people in the country. as for general, have the libyan political figures. they have their own authoritarian dreams and they try to arrange their moves and their political maneuvers with foreign power is because they came to libya and the very 1st place with the aid of foreign powers. i think, i believe all the same as, as the one who stands tall on the shoulders of the libyan people themselves. not on bombs and rockets and military bases foreign military bases. yes,
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there are rumors that have to are, is sending troops to the chad to border. i think you're referring that to us is instant acting. assistant secretary said, joe hood, he said the whole world has a problem, would save a lot and get obvious candidacy for the elections. whoever runs it's a matter for the libyan people to decide, but you didn't answer the question. is he keeping his promise to run for the presidency in december or not? does it does he just want dialogue and conversations? i think it is and he is agenda to run for the elections. but the question of when is this still debatable? and the december elections are only a 100 days away and there are many logistical problems. and the intervention, the continuous intervention of foreign power is especially of the west are
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making the situation and libby a very hard to deal with and very hard to move forward. because every for him power wants to guarantee that its own agents in the country when they had they have positions of power and in the next elections. and that's actually what we say no to. we want the libyan people. we want the libyan cities, libyan villages they'd be, and tribes to sit down and decide their own future. we don't want the british or the americans or the french, or the techs to decide the future of libya. the said, the sad thing is only for us is speaking, this language, the other political figures are working very closely with foreign powers. and that obeying their orders and instead of listening to their own people, we saw of the british and the united states backs killing off say, fall in love,
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good deaf his father. we saw hillary clinton, smiling and applauding the pictures. when mamma good effie was killed, can save file as do a deal with half for protection. because there are those who think that nato countries may want say, father, good after you, dead to what safe and slam is trying to say even to foreign powers, that he does not present any threat to them. and the way they think, oh, separate a slam is calling for, for libya to be for libyans, for libby and oil to be for libyans and for all libyans to sit down and find a genuine, emotional, political, and economic solution for the disaster. that has been the nato intervention olivia in 2011, even when speaking about his father, the mar tom lama duffy. he invokes his name not for revenge,
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but for a sign of peace for a sign of reconciliation. because if save himself who lost his brothers and his father and the position he had in libya at that time, he speaks of peace. he speaks of libyan unity, and this should be good news to the good people of europe and america. unfortunately, of course, we know that europe and america are controlled by a very aggressive and greedy economic system that does not necessarily look for peace. a system that looks for oil, it looks for money, it looks for robbing as a nation's wealth. and therefore war for them. for these foreign power is good news because peace means that nations are able to control their own destiny, their own wealth, and therefore this nation will not provide the capitalist system with the means of
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survival that it leads. i'm not sure if you're safe. all good is spokes person? is he aware of the difference is that the un security council over the un mandate is safe gadhafi more supportive of moscow and beijing position than london washington and paris? well, i think i will leave this for safe and islam to express himself when he thinks that time is right. but i know for sure that libyans understand that the british, especially the americans, are trying to play with the details of the mandate. the un, monday to libya, so they can guarantee their libyan agents more power for the next few years. we support the russian position, simply because russia is saying that more power should be put in the hands of
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libyans. this is not about standing with russia politically. we are supporting the logical position that gives power to the libyans. if the british se, let's give power back to the libyans, we would support the british position. unfortunately, the british are now trying to tweak the mandate to play with it. so the, you and the united nations mission and tripoli would have ultimate power and deciding who speaks and libya who shares the power. libya who is allowed to go for the elections in libya and who has the military power and libya. the russians are saying, know, the libyan people should decide that we know the games, the west to play. the west plays the same games in libya and iraq, afghanistan, and venezuela and syria. so this is like late in the, in the,
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in the game. we are not at the beginning. we have got all the lessons. and when we will not allow, we will not allow the british or the americans to deceive our people again. but where a 100 days, as you say from the election favor is still as not properly announced. he is running while hafta form, as he says, is rumored to be backed by russia and france and he says he will contest the december elections. well, the regulations for the elections have not been put into place completely yet. so there is a legal side that needs to be settled, unfaithfulness, lamb has many teams working on the ground and every libby in the city, coordinating his efforts to be present in the libyan political scene. but i assure you action civil slam is not thinking of the chair of the president,
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so to speak. he is really more concerned with helping libyan tribes libby and cities to have a genuine dialogue between them and to push forward for a political solution to the libyan crisis. he does believe of course, that him as a national lead has a place and the future of libya. but the timing is a question to be decided later depending on many circumstances, national and international. however, as i said, slam is working very hard with thousands of, of political figures around the country to help advance the cause of libyan liberation. liberal liberation from foreign power is what people forget is that the libyan crisis is not a libyan libyan problem. it's a libyan against foreign,
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our problem if france and every power withdraw from libya, politically and in terms of the military libyans will be able to solve their own problems by themselves. well, there's a turkish frigate off the coast of libya, pictures today on social media news. i'll stop you there. more from market asking for information minister to this break. plus we speak to the only political adviser of southern, again, they're just of the nature nation back $911.00 to that would bring afraid chicago school economics all around the world. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy plantation let it be an arms race is on often very dramatic development. only personally, i'm going to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful,
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a very critical time. time to sit down and talk me welcome back. i'm still with mom. i get that he's for more information minister was abraham. i have to ask you is the reason i say fall in love and good duffy is not doing this interview much as we like to interview you. because he is a us, or nato drones strike to kill him. well sir, for the slam was a great and brave fighter in 2011. he's not afraid as southern. why doesn't he? he is why he's new is the reason he doesn't do interviews because of the international criminal court. they want him as they want. so many people of color in africa because if it's not knows what the international especially weston main 3 media can do with anything. he says they will
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turn the whole thing, not about libya, but about him personally. he does not want to be like the issue. he wants libya to be the issue. that's why he wants people on the international community to judge his actions. not just his words, everything stephan islam is doing is in the interests of the people. it does not think of any authoritarian agenda. doesn't think of any agency to foreign powers, as it is the case with half the political figures 50 presents a problem to the west because he is simply trying to liberate the country from the military presence of foreign powers. remember, the united nations itself said officially that there are 5
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military bases in libya, 5 for him, military base, libya, and 20000 foreign fighters and the country. this is a country and a few patients i despise how the main stream media talks about the libyan problem. they never mention that libya is an a q pipe country. libya isn't occupied country and the libyan people need to fight to liberate their country. before thinking about elections, but if he can settlements and all of the rest, well just finally, how can the libyan people trust safe? i'll get daffy. he was a friend of. i don't know tony blair here in london. he was fated here in london, a great friend of neoliberalism. why should, why should the libyan people trust someone closely associated with new liberalism, multinational corporations as he has he changed and become more of a socialist?
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i've seen you can never did use several as he's thinking his personality, his history to just political relations with tony blair or with new liberals. 7 islam was very close to many african leaders. he was very close to r a bleed or is he had he visited many countries around the world. he tried to establish peace between libya and the west. but even now he gave an interview to the new york times, not going underground. i believe because he wanted to send particular messages to particular foreign powers and sent power in the west. this is, you know, down to him. he's a man of his own. he has his own philosophy, but of she is separate as is loved by the vast majority of the people he's expected by even those who had differences with him in the past. because they saw what he
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did and 2011 they. so how he still speaks of libya would love how he wants to find genuine solutions to the country's problems. and they see how he refuses to be controlled by foreign powers. something that no, i repeat no, as a political figure and livia has done so, it is i think safe it is. is the future of libya, not as a person, not just because he is the son of god, duffy, but i think of what he represents politically and intellectually and morally to most libyans must abraham, thank you. thank you. i've seen the well today just days after the 20 year anniversary of 911 in new york is independence
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day for a country that mourns and other small, devastating 911. the ca planned 911970 3, which spread neoliberalism to all parts of the world. after the death of socialist president of chile salvador, i am the only political advisor to i in there who survived. the qu is human rights law. doctor one goth is the man behind the london, the rest of the you came back to picture who took his place august to finish a. he drives me now from spain, capital madrid, the one thanks so much for coming on the show. as i said, you were, i end is advised that today is chilly independence day. why do you believe people are not even mentioning the qu against i n day on the b, b. c, or on cnn? for the 20 year anniversary, week of $911.00. when of course, it was september, the 11th 1973 way back to new york in 2001. the big news now
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for info, most of the people read that was before before the new york hours in wanted to go against sort of the news for the never know. so we got the chicago style economics even here in britain, after the qu, just remind us what, salvador, i and it said to you 48 years ago when i'm september, you know, in 2007, 1973. and there was a 1000030, right. and again, the government of chile and 1000000 defaults during 4 hours. again, this is a ration in the last minutes before the bottom and he asked me to leave us because i work. he's closer stuff like that. and he saw that they
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would explain what was the study and the policies that they will be washing, preventive and wellness brain. that meant that all the people in these trying to show that i am and i i knew there were protest is on the street to santiago. what, what did you make of the fact that chile and court said that i in there killed himself . he was not killed by the ca backed coo clauses. he took a decision politic of this. you can fight. i think at all. we see he's the guards and what he has done with the last bullet. i don't know, but he decided to die in time. well, we're just a few weeks away from of course, the next election. but when penetrate came to power, we got privatization. in chile, of course,
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tens of thousands killed or disappeared. but you have spoken of how henry kissinger pioneered extradition rendition, flights torture that we have seen after the other 9112001. tell me how kissinger and nixon pioneered this hybrid warfare after they killed effectively your friend and your president, the international body. she's the way decided you seem pretty go by the british nissan. we're not respectful of international, not at all. and he was completely in the kinds of the way coming into the new sheets. and unfortunately, we find it why know how we want to maybe gcg watch an
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outage, and i know that the chief of me that was bernard was here to the 970 the part of it by and then the son of the general each night in finding a claim h u c l u s. cart, on the 10th of september, 2001 the day before the fax, your form to me is ms. clink will not go ahead. and because what happens after i get back to new york, or was it from the, from the us government in vain, other countries and to know in the nation on the war and the human rights concerning the fight. and in this context, no car at this stage was ready to hear the claim from the time. so i started
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off to the what an extraordinary coincidence we, we invite henry kissinger online. i've tried to, i've spoken to him actually, he but he hasn't said he has to this program. not sure if you've seen the new australian papers in the past few days released showing how the liberal prime minister then the foreign minister building mac amman, australia is secret service in santiago, once tell to ca, against your press would be close to ration. but also we can find the scope in it from, from even from countries western europe. and the way by the united states in order to interfere with the internal political process in chillik. and this was about beyond that capitalism, privatization,
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we know that there are papers detailing pepsi cola i t t, david rockefeller's business group for latin america. they were all involved. but the kennedys were interested in a n d, even before robert kennedy and jack in them. the fact that the work for the fraction of that was the outcome of the presidential election in 68 and in 72, where nixon defeated their democratic candidate. so i think humphrey and joe barker had those it to be in a negative for me. they will not be going to be the queen. she was by the chief over there, mac wrapped in those or you know,
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the way against any interference. they respected they together and the fact that after they go under they should be on the mac. i think in the us, in a, in frank frank charge, nathan commission investigated the credential unit and disclose what the saw the now the most comprehensive information about this time they covered the nation again that you know, well, of course, kennedy kennedy was and was killed before but in the era, the current leader of chile came to london. on the eve of the 911 anniversary, boris johnson invited him to downing street. do you think that? do you think he's going to remain president? you have elections in november?
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the 21st. and if gabriel boring wins in jenny, will there just be another qu, if he tries to nationalize resources? no, i know if he sold. he will not die if he will not try. not sure. in mining the big mines of copper and this is nothing that boat i'm a mortgage take on the me is not today what was the 7 days that i mean the game against my ceiling? and i think they were seen on time me following that. just finally, i know you've been campaigning for restitution for the victims, tens of thousands of victims of because of the british american back denisha government and both as garzon. you worked with the new franco. what did you make of the un in the past few days, saying they condemned the actions against about this goes on. he's also,
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julian assigned his lawyer. what, what have you made about the dirty tricks against one of the most famous human rights judges in the world saying if the only country in europe, where they came to meet you in this by war and the sheep that need to be 966 and 1975. absolutely. i'm punish, and the 1st judge to open the door. so these are feasts. maybe he's all those go to the song. but he was punished by this supreme court because of that, and not only he or spanish mission or hearing that came from that shouldn't bring guard, was in the future. no judge should investigate. and the issue in any crime that was going to be there, the gained by his republican army gains in spanish,
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people drank, or she and that's not our fault. lots of one guy says thank you. thank you. that's it for the show will be back on monday, 20 years of the day. george w bush officially declared the so called war on terror. paving the way for us defeat enough, can it found until then you can give it touch wireless social media. let us know how you think finish and chicago school economics change the world. ah hey, you know we've moved on from just lots of money and incurring lots of dad for dom reasons to printing lots of money and incurring lots of debt for extraordinarily dom reason. in the 19 twenties and thirties,
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several 100 african americans moved to the soviet union. and many of their descendants still live in russia. no, no rush, presto. yet to be truthful, nice things. back home, black american suffered from racism and a complete lack of prospects. you reckon up a mother ill be losing one by one by the ranger. so they decided to leave everything behind and start a new life in a country about which they knew almost nothing at all. some of the african americans who went facilities union in 1830 found great success monet always seem to me. and now almost a 100 years later, history is repeating itself. my great grandfather, george time, went to russia on probably the worst time to go anywhere. why not mean
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ah, what if i come here? ah, oh right now there are 2000000000 people who are overweight or. busy obese, it's profitable to sell food that is fatty and sugary and faulty and addicted. not at the individual level, it's not individual willpower. and if we go on believing that will never change as obesity epidemic, that industry has been influencing very deeply. the medical and scientific establishment ah, what's driving the it's corporate me .

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