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ah hello and welcome to cross top, where all things are considered on peter about. many countries in the western world are grappling with such issues as illegal immigration and energy insecurity. and remarkably, there is always a single root cause, a party to blame, and that is russia also. iran stepped out on the world stage in a big way, ending its isolation. ah, ah, to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, markers about the ductless in london is a historian, analyst and author of the book arrives. we'll see a return of russia to world politics. and here in moscow were joined by dmitri bob . she is a political analyst and editor, it interests me, internet media project or gentleman cross top roles and in fact,
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that means you can jump anytime you want. and i always appreciate it. let's start out with mark as much. let me meet you. a few headlines here from cnbc, ukraine, now got accused as russia of using gas as the geo political weapon. as energy prices deepens, very ominous. there. this is from the scotsman gas price prices with russia. vladimir putin in control of the bow importing supplies was always high risk. and we go over to bloomberg here, nor string to pipeline news. ukraine worries less about gas, more about war. again, this whole story with energy insecurity in europe, which i believe there is because there was a massive cut in, in demand during the height of the pandemic. and then when things started returning, there was a higher demand. so there wasn't as much gas being put into storage that we have winter coming up as absolutely nothing to do with the rush, but no, ever,
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but all of entered europe. energy boats are somehow brushes when they were when the united states was against, nor dream to the would actually increase the amount of natural gas and to be your opinion, what is new world is going on here? well, i will start survey historical actually, let's say, namely, bad relations between the west and russia, over many centuries have been characterized by the mutual suspicion and louvin. but what distinguishes relations between the west and russia now is today western allegations against russia. all absolutely fossil. so 1st of all, western mainstream major is giving coverage and credence to polish claims. the migration crisis, plague in europe, is as a result of russia and better russia, sending that migrants in caea through poland. well,
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since when has poland been the entry point into europe for refugee is also called refugees and immigrants? the truth of the matter is that the west, the stabilization of north africa and the mid, the waste, specifically libya and syria, is what has caused the migration crisis. then we have british government claims. i'm british mainstream major claims. that the energy crisis lumina over britain, is as a result of the kremlin. well, grits and it should not have relies, so the extent it's on liquefied natural gas. and instead of hurling use and all full accusations against russia, the british governments should have put politics aside and should have sat down with the russians and should have come to an agreement like the german government
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stays specifically on referring to north stream. so, because unlike for britain, germany now enjoys an uninterrupted flow of natural gas from russia. that is good german industry. that is good for german domestic households. i should say, peter, that is imperative. german industry and german domestic households is the british states truly cares for its citizens. and i said he would have put politics aside and it would offend shore. and i'm instructed flow or russian natural gas, which would have been imperative for the british economy and imperative. british domestic households, but instead an energy crisis is lumen, but naturally has nothing to do with the british states. no, it can only be the fault. of course, the, based from the east, russia did hammer. this was the base of bats in reality. is that the north strain
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to was something that the germans wanted something that, but the russians didn't for both america, they could be more specific gas from. and so now we have to be eventually, in the matter of weeks, if the regulatory issues are resolved, that would be an abundance of natural gas in, in the european union all the way to a different story. but i mean, a be politicizing this year when it's purely an economic commercial issue here. i've always been mystified by, you know, with, with, by me, control of the bow. what is gas brown wants to make money by selling its product. there is customers that will have a demand for the product. i don't understand why this has to be over. what advises marcus is pointed out. go ahead. well, i mean, the whole energy crisis in europe can be resolved in one day or no, that's in one hour. if they just see by going to reg, just not strong enough steam to tomorrow or i went to register in december,
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they set that date next hour. the prices will go down because the markets, you know, the markets are reactant to. i'm so the future, i mean they don't know what to know seem to they still don't, no. and the problem is not ethnic when there's no idea what you go. i mean, there are germans, some germans of polls north seem to, you know, to me, you know, the green party, they read the on, i left a variable on the list said, i want the job steward ross, you know, in the budgets. i don't want this job to be ever, ever used technically at north stim 2 is re, you know, the golf pro announced that was ready to start bumping the gaze on the 1st of october. so the problem is no technical if, if i go to google and i will partially agree with what mark said about the russia escalations looking login is mostly on the west side. on the russian side. maybe
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there will some bullshit, early decades on the soviet union because we wanted to make you optional. now, at least, you know, you know, you're in all my years and i haven't lived in russia all my life few years. i've never, i've never called the kid just said the sub dives. well i mean the optimal cup of the limping games, but you will not see them. you could no show the flag even the most blank optimistic people are saying, oh look, this is not to be, you know, this is really get out of because his job, yes. but the general russian culture and easy, you will be in country and one so much to be where the europe but all the problem with the europe sound. i was just goals, matt, and talking about the migration program, the market. so just mentioned, basically there were rumors, the blue question would use migrant back in the late ninety's. i mean,
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i read the border so i, i asked my readers to read the frost magazine, read the news. we all got from the early to thousands late night just they have been suspected shinkel try to do that. you know, she didn't do that, but they suspected him and 20 years later, something like that happened. but when off the european boast, unprecedented sanctions on billers against the industry against the enterprise, extract him and there was so, i mean, what do you expect? the problem is that the in the west right now, the government and the media they use, they use the creek, not for sexual use. very often. they mix politics and morals. like if you want to dig the sanctions or beller, bella russia, because that's basically bill, which is a translation or the one why russia into bill or language. so if you,
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if you say i'm against the sanctions imposed to your in a moral person, you're not suggesting a political solution. you are a traitor, you're in the horse with lucas angle. this is the same way, the knobs and if you oppose people's policy of corpus, you're just major political statement. you're not opposing, shoot what you are in laurel, you know, you don't know. the interesting thing is lisa, but when look at them and bottom and potent they met and they were asking him, i'm directing this tomorrow because they were asking me about their immigration policy. and he said, well, why don't you ask? it has nothing to do with right. there was the webber, but in the, in the mainstream. it is somehow russians in cahoots with glucose to release immigrants into the european union. which by the way, you know, colon in the baltic states, thinking about barriers and wall. i guess those barriers and walls are ok,
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but not at the american other border, but i digress. go ahead. well, i think pizza banner russia is under the spotlight now in the west because the west attempted coup in bella basha last summer failed and it was always going to fail and fail abysmally. and as a result of that failure, the integration process between moscow and mens has received it as received a much needed invoices just so much so that the re unification of russia. russia is very much something that is going to happen sooner rather than later. so the west is fine to stop. that's why are they trying to stop that? because, of course, bella, russia bowed, is on to poland. and nice. so is a poland. ne, so is beef and up its presence in poland, which i said that is a flagrant violation. of the russia of the name. so you found an act of $997.00.
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but in regard to the foster co allocations, the west is making against russia. it's very clear that the west has never felt so emboldened before in that it makes allegations which have no substance to it whatsoever. and we have to ask the question, why do they feel so emboldened and i put it to the race? and it's best that people in america and in britain no longer think independently or critically. they simply have to be intrinsic this absolute trust in what their politicians and journalists tell them. but also the average american, like the average britain, is more interested in their television programs and celebrity culture and reality television. they no longer care what's happening in that society. let alone can what's happening in the why the wealth. so when british major gives credence to
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polish claims that russia and bella russia, responsible, or could be responsible for the migration crisis and gulf in europe, the average british person, the average american person, would be happy to go along with that. it's a sad, depressing state of affairs d member last 45 seconds for this part of the program. again, ukraine is playing a role in this year. the. the fact i'm agreeing with mark is here. the reason why nor stream one in 2 were built because ukraine was deemed as an unreliable transit partner and, and so that they're built. oh, okay. and now they're complaining about ukraine's energy and security. when you crane itself is responsible for that insecurity. go ahead team or you know, the west to us bill or was and it's the, the question will be gruel. look at the figures, unhook the fax, how much more gruel the ukrainian when you ukrainian gout. i mean, it's not just using trying chance against the demonstrators in fusion plains and
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you know, the store the country and talking about the history of the gas by point built pipeline. and we're going to go with some real estate with the news. the news
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the welcome back to cross topler. all things considered peter la bell. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real names. i okay, let's go back to the mac, went to the breakdown we wanted to make a point that we talk about iran and it's diplomatic initiatives. you go ahead just the thing as well. so all of the ones that are under pressure for all the west russia to build a pipeline to pull up, you know, through the 9th of the school year old europe. and the russian suggestion was to connect this point to the ukrainians. and the both refused. for geopolitical reasons, they said this can be used against ukraine. so this was, that's why russia had to build this huge bible and you won't actually, i mean,
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why in the world would be spend so much money? well, because of all, and i would say very intransigent and very absurd position. and just to remind our, our, our us how we donate the staging involved in the project. how can the beta stage impose sanctions on something between russia, germany, what will happen in russia and both sanctions on pipeline between mexico and the states. okay. other than doing that, imagine what a scandal would be, or this is except that the western society just something normal that the country that has nothing to do with this pipeline is imposing sanctions, threatens and, and other countries save or the present never. never framed that way. demon. thank you for pointing that up or i want to switch gears here. shang i cooperation organisation. iran will finally after many years of petitioning and become a member of that or organisation, why is that important markets go ahead?
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well, i should say, 1st of all, peter, my opinion on america and i kind of stone runs country. so many analysts and journalists are saying, because i do not believe that america has less afghanistan. indeed, i believe that both america and britain have retains that influence america by having come to an informal agreement with the taliban. because the taliban were never defeated militarily by america and britain. and secondly, it was just inconceivable that the telephone telephone on their own could have conquered africanist on countries so large. so the 5 different regions simply on their own note, the american military gave the go ahead and also as well. american doesn't have to have soldiers in the country as a control country. it can control a country for control in this country's economy. turn into the shanghai cooperation
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organization. if this is what it is, 1st go ahead. shanghai cooperation organization is a ration alliance, including countries such as russia, china, central asia, and now iran. and it focuses on issues semi for security to economics. so politics and it's a very good alliance because it means back to all of the countries involved on. now, members of the shanghai cooperation organization and iran having been as mrs . so the alliance demonstrates how iran's influence, not just in the mid the week, but in the why the world is growing. and i consider iran, it's mentions to be very good, especially for the security of that region. yes, it will be good for trays, but i believe that there is, of course, a very serious islamist terrorists presence,
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growing not just in central asia. so in the went in the chinese region are seeing shame. and i believe that the wrong as a result of its tremendous experience in fighting against terrorism. after all, it was a wrong that prevented the cancerous tentacles of the pallet from extend them into the waist. will be able now to share information with countries in d. s. c, o, russia and china, which will be imperative semen and the space in the midst, terrorism and islamists is the msm in general infatuation states. but of course, the americans, who, as i said, remain very much in the midst on will view. iran submits it's admittance to the seo with increasing consternation because on the one hand it shows that surrounds influence is growing. secondly, the shanghai corporation organization has grown to such an extent now that the americans are exceedingly wary and concerned by its. yes,
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the mark has brought it up when he was binding the, the shanghai cooperation organization. you know, people in the west, my li, stupidly making some kind of comparison with nato, which is, it's not ok because, you know, the, the security element may be there, definitely counter terrorism. yes, definitely there. but there is the commercial economic element that is key because they, they functioning of this organization. and this is why this is such a wind ball ran because they're breaking out of the isolation, the maximum pressure warning that the us is applied against the rate the rating economy. so this is a very significant move, and this organization covers the, or a land bass bass. okay. and, and this is a, certainly a counselor to the hedge. a monic aims us as your agent land. go ahead. well, i will that talk, mark just rightly said that there are some kind of corporate was founded in 1997 on
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china's ne allow it don't only coach your iran, it didn't go to india and pakistan. so basically when we're told by the west of need your own, there is so much contradiction between china. i just found the hate each other somehow. well the night to stay. so the west is not in the wall. they can be members of the same organization. and they children, charlotte years just woke at all. there is a lucian statement from their shanghai corporation organization from our collective security organization csu. you will never find that any been the guard against a particular country. every state starts with their preamble, that su is not directed against any particular country in the world. you know, this is very different from a, to your right comparisons with need to make no sense. because natal all calls
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russia. you remember how hillary clinton a clinton called russia hostile nation, and we all remember how i need to even statement talked about adverse re, you know, china and introduce your reference and almost an amy. so this is basically, this is what, this is what, what is making as your so different from, from need to it's a peaceful can, is ation not directed against a particular country. and why does it make the united states of the west so angry because it shows that you and d. d inside the same are going to zation despite differences, cultural political differences. and the idea suggested by, by that he's still insist on having this democracy is versus of better theory and state funded before the end of the year. or thought it would be impossible to gain a barcode because just needed to remind you that against and for many years was the
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most important major l i outside organization. you remember and look what happened to it and coming back to what we were talking about in the 1st part of the program . if we accept this idea by the democracy and the christian right. and the why i people plead, suppose the democratic iraq and supposedly democratic libya, why are they lead to even the, from the bit and to beller, bella russia from iraq if iraq so democracy, why are the change in it for the authoritarian bill? so there are so many things that just don't add up in the western in the world. so is there a page from your book? i mean, when you put everything into an ideological lens, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. and that's exactly what these people do. mark, this is something that iran is really push for for very, very hard. i think they had observers status starting in 2005 if i'm not mistaken.
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so this is when all for them. and it shows that the, the american lead campaign crusade by can use that word against the ran it show a slowly but surely a roading coming apart here. the country is very much self sufficient in many ways because of the sanctions. and now the massive economic deal made with china that will over the next quarter century. and this is a new page for our ran. it seems to me, they've made it through the worst year in lisa as far as the american policy against the ram. and i think as you pointed out, the region is going to be far more safer because there is real terrorism there. and having these and these cut all of these countries feel it. okay. and it's the common enemy. so in, i think instead of coddling and protecting isis and the 31 flavors of g hon. these countries michelle corporation organization are actually serious and biting it, go ahead markets one pizza. iran for over 42 years now has withstood
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a terrible terrific barrage or sanctions placed on it by america. and yet it wrong not only has withstood the bible, but iran has grown stronger and stronger. and its recent admission to the s c o demonstrates that iran is more than just a regional player now. and it also goes to show how, how close iran's relations, political, economic, and military relations with both russia and china. all because of course, moscow and basing off the de facto lasers that's indisputable. iran has a very close relationship with china. and swipe basing was more than happy for iran to be admitted. but even more important than that's, iran has a strategic partnership with the russian federation. that's on its own has changed
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the dynamics has changed the dimensions of the made the waste. because no longer is iran face in america on its own like it for the during the 19 eighties and during the 1990s. so of course, the kremlin was very happy to see its strategic partner admitted to the s c other. and the americans and the british who are very much in afghanistan, and of course, the taliban will continue to do the bidding on behalf of their western patrons to feel fractions because it's just russia and china and iran, as dmitri directly said, india and pakistan are also members of the i see, so the americans can't help, but feel somewhat strengthened by these countries being in the s c o because they are surrounding they all surround in africa song. and it's no coincidence. i have a pizza that just stays after taliban conquerors africana song. the taliban
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announced that they would guarantee the security of western pipelines in afghanistan. that was very talent. and then days off the back. the ca director match with the leadership of the pilot. that was very talent and i believe that sooner rather than later, you will see washington and london established diplomatic relations and labor relations of their okay, well that the, the last page that saga has yet to be written. i agree with much of what you have to say, but i think the idea for a separate programs, i want to thank my guess in london and here in moscow, i want to take our viewers from watching as our dc you next time. remember, the ah, driven by adrian shaped by 10 percent of those with the
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