tv Cross Talk RT October 25, 2021 9:30am-10:00am EDT
ah, ah ah, ah, ah, hello in welcome across the dock were all things considered, i'm beulah belts, the more nato tries to explain itself, the more obvious this cold war relic needs to be retired and for good. also, joe biden told us he wanted to be a great unifier, unlike the evil orange man. indeed, now there is growing unity in the dislike of bye. ah. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guest,
joined samuel in budapest. he's a podcast or at the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet re bobbitt. she is a political analyst and editor in us, me internet media project. a gentleman crossed up rules and effect, that means can jump anytime you want, and i would appreciate it. it's got a gym of 1st year adina. there's a saying in politics, the more you're explaining, the more you're losing, and it seems to me this applies to nato because it has a number of different narratives going on out there. we had salt and burn the head of nato recently in washington, and just, you know, the as if on cue, you know, it's all about china know about russia in china and all the same deal, the geopolitical landscape and security escape. and all of that um is getting kind of pathetic now. i mean, as i said, if you're explaining it means you're losing, go ahead. oh, good. what best oldenburg has been seeing it in the last 2 weeks was very
contradictory. he went to the elmwood dot, you know, the spanish newspaper basically reduced into bumper stickers like russia were going to contain china. i want to engage, even though it's a great and again to start, we're going to watch that she gives an interview for the financial times where she says, oh, you know, the threats are global. so russia and china are basically the same. it's my big threat that we need to deal together. well, i think that the story was me over the years before that world war 2, you know, when italy and sometimes finland, you know, they, they wanted to be l. i. so, doing their small little things, you know, all that they're just next to their like the daily and wanted to take greece and some of the islands. the famous probably wanted to take part of korea after they were there by started in the 9. but then he told them,
oh i helped you intelligence with race now over mitchell started graphs, you know, the feel keep told them, oh, you're talking about of korea now help me to do. besieged grad yes. and they had to go. so the same story here is the paul doesn't want to fight change. you know, the law, the boy hon. agree want to do, you know, is to find china. they want to settle their scores with russia. that's true. and that's very unfortunate. but washington, just, you know, forces them, nato follows huge, it forces them into a global confrontation. and it's some predictable. you know, what sort of the big we'll say next week is unpredictable. you know, it's in our company. there's no geo political strategy here. it's not coherent, you don't charge, you know, when it's that back from it. i mean, at the end of the day is as much as nathan wants to claim that brushes kind of
security thread to the european thompson. the western part of the year. asia land mass, the end of the day, the russians really don't care much anymore. i mean, they think they're so important, these europeans does not go ahead. that's right. and i think that it's a striking, that the years go by and laser is unable to articulate any kind of a rationale for its existence. and that's why it comes along with all these contradictory statements. but well, you know, we're, we're in the business of this new concept that the terrans and defense and the euro atlantic area. so then issue is ok. so roger is the end of it. well, you know, russia is very aggressive. want to watch on russia on, with talk to russia. but the problem is that nature is creating the very problems and then turns around and says, well, we are the solution to the problem because it,
let's just say what happened in the last 2 weeks. they expelled these a mess and from nato and said, well, we're coming back on your, of your russian presence. nature. well, the russians just don't around the same way with either all this time being these accusations a song and we're closing down your office. and most of that nature uses that is your, are look at how aggressive russia is the same thing. when lloyd austin, the us defense secretary, last week he went to visit the georgia, you brain romania, and the last to george and you gray. the daughter nato membership is over for you. well, how does nato, the united states explained russia to respond to this very, obviously they go to respond with a considerable trepidation which so the guns are,
are you see? we're right. aggressive look at how there, mouthing of the grading in nature. the interesting thing is that when austin was on his a whirlwind, a tour, i think the secretary of defense is beginning that the there. why did you members of the nato alliance at the moment or not seen on c expansion of the alliance, the to include georgia in ukraine. let me throw that to emma, right? because again, i mean is expansion. the goal is the status quo that go on the go over the horizon . is that people or is it just everything and nothing at the same time? because basically they're continuing to search for reason to continue their existence. and we've just said on this program, 5 minutes and 31 seconds in that it's a number of things. ok, whatever seats your purposes of the time and deem at the same time you had to be toria, new and here. trying to improve relations or stop the deterioration. and then the
secondary depends a week later goes around and is, you know, pounding on drums. i mean, i don't see any coherence here. go ahead. well, unfortunately, there are many traditions, but you should almost expect the horse with a joke because basically the narrative of the last 7 years since they started was like russia. you are paranoid, the major is not going to expand to ukraine. it's not on the agenda. we have heard it many times, i know suddenly stalled and says, oh, russia should not be afraid of the expansion of nato. do you agree, major is a defense you for why? you know, after 7 years, a war in which russia actually just not a lot, but the worst. keep saying the brush is fight in ukraine groceries. but you know, warren, your brain, your grade is going to be, you go to a huge military of ours. and then you know that the one says, oh, don't worry,
you have a war with it. but there's going to join the defense you for alliance. so you have nothing to worry about, you know, just loss. so the same story with, without marriage, like, ok, you are a north atlantic treaty organization. what are you doing in the sci fi, you know, against china? black, what, why is pacific? when did pacific became? because also when you're great, there are so many stories like that before, like one of the you was expansion and you some partnership they included barrels were asked them why don't, why don't you, including russia? well, because we are a union or partnership of democratic congress. what is bill? are we doing there? oh no, it's just, you know, a conscious geographically close to us. what does that mean? you're doing that? you know, we're close to that. i mean, it was just, you know, will you please take this demon also, you know, the partnership agreements are going to the western hemisphere data now as well.
the rationale is that they're not predictable, but your goal is expect the horse because what is behind it is a very region ideology which wants to reform the wall according to the liberal modem in which views big god, just such as russia and china ass. postables was achieving that goal in order to remove these obstacles. anything go, you know, you can ally, of course, you can organize on who was and then say that these are people's rebellions. 38, but he's been with you in q during what we're supposed to get peaceful demonstration, you know, a big so the really left the president who somehow is not legally let the president because he, oh, he was going to the pro ration you know, wanted to join the association agreement, but still somehow it was pro ration, right? so these people will y as they will use violence and they will use a new pin as long as they feel impunity. the random unit, you know, you know,
store them back is steady las about them from now it breaks my heart to see what's going on there. why is it the break in your career should be breaking your career? not your heart. instead we hear from you or just feel sad about that. so don't your mom didn't everything as far, nothing is stopping with the earthy and members of the nato to go when they're stopping. and george been stopping them very. exactly. well, i mean, we have this the noses of the europeans complaining. well, americans didn't tell us that they were planning to withdraw from me. you know, we feel betrayed by lack of confidence enough. well, hey, i did. you want to take off the fact that it's out about the door is open. but it's what's interesting is the, the nate dishonest because they know there's just no way that made the member say, such as germany are going to agree to ukraine membership. so what they're really doing is essentially having a de facto membership and others,
they're actually getting more or more troops and miss styles than weapon race stationed in you. so ukraine becomes a de facto nato space. same thing with, i mean, in general or, oh, you know, we need to, yes, but they don't remember that make us so what does that create? well, as far as that is a secure, right, and this is something that said again at the, the ball discussion, you know, when we see miss style as car call, you know, that's something we worry about. i guess this is what nato is doing. so there is again, this, the dishonest of mesa doing is artificially and when they were, the russians done around the se, but we don't like what you're doing. well, we're, we're defensive defense, steven. those no evidences defense. we know, you know, maybe you can solve it. how does that defensive going to sound?
how does that defensive and also georgia, you and i have talked about elsewhere? is that specifically about your brain? nato membership is the key to you membership. that's the, it's always nato, 1st than you. and this is what is going on here. also we're creating a slippery slope and moral hazard year because the lens is getting more and more reckless with his actions and his language. and he's being encouraged by washington . well, the european members of nate know, are much more cautious. go ahead, finish office sports. yeah, that's, that's exactly right. and that's why this became a moral, has lived when you have nato. and you have lloyd austin telling me, flat out, hey, the road to nato is open for you. how are they gonna respond? it's up to us to start generating all kinds of crises. so washington and those around is that right? this nato is the solution to your problem. and this is why is the nato have the
auction that going to say, look, we're just saying out of this, it's up to you to better relations with your neighbors may. does it not to do that . instead, they do is completely aggravating the problem by essentially promising a membership of nato and the you down the road. and it's same thing in georgia and yeah, so it is, it is an absolute, has us to wealthy. and what is happening is naples putting the sovereignty of ukraine and state. your general, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to what you're breaking up for that short break. we'll continue our discussion on real that same. oh, look forward to talking to you. oh, that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except we're such orders that conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about visual intelligence, and the point obviously is to great trust rather than fit
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on our bull horns edition here. um and from the home edition, and i always ask demarcus demand george very often on what they would like to do and they send me topics and what is the guys 99 percent of the time? i agree with you. so george, you wanted to talk about how divisible joe joe biden is the floor is yours go well. 2 if you're going to be done by the whole day during the election was that he was going to bring the country together off to the divisive trump, and all the aggravation and all the tweeting and everything of trump. he biden, this season legislative guy walks across the aisle. he's going to bring the country together. but in fact, he has done something very different. and he's also a very unusual because he's very much a president with a tiny sliver of
a majority in both houses and, but instead he has this, you an extra ordinarily divisive agenda. and the rhetoric coming out of this administration is just an amazing device. if it's one that is actually setting americans against one other ways to well erupt into violence in time. so just in the past week and during the 10 years member ration of the martin luther king statue, he talked about white supremacy as the greatest threat to the united states in domestic terrorist threat to the united states. no evidence for this. we have is justice department again this week said, well the big problem is the red line a according to which boxes due to because of racism are unable to get loans from banks on like white people because we have again,
a lot of barton ranting and raving about be vaccinated and right now just to the vacillated of the tire health system, i believe that these people is all extra amount of just generating as much hatred to one another as possible. and it's kind of surprising because even obama lisa is firm who actually did have a sanctioned majority, it was very careful to avoid a trigger in conflict. i mean, you try to be, you know, the whole united people by hasn't done any of that. so it's a mysterious agenda you go one to one was really behind this, but i think it's a very dangerous agenda because i think that the hatred that is now being generated, which i think is also reflected in his time. the poll numbers ok, please either robbins of ours, you know, even the interesting thing is that you go by person higher, you know, half century career and politics is never really good for anything. you just looks
at where the wind is blowing here and, but he's an administration little intensely ideological. so it kind of the problem with george's have, this is almost like the worst of all possible worlds because he's not really an ideologue. he does mimic and repeat ideological desktops. ok, but i mean, in that great, great, great sense of unease because there's no authenticity here. i mean, these are obviously hot. bumper stickers, as you said in the 1st part of the program, he's very much a bumper sticker president right now. is george pointed out with the dentist of margins. ok the this i hope to be another f d r and other l b j for both huge margins in congress and the in buying doesn't and we have a country spiraling downhill. and i think because of this ideology into culture wars, i mean, you know, one thing that we've all noticed that, you know,
george and i in many pages of time that's new, kind of hard to dislike, go by, that's not true anymore. it's very easy to like you and it's because of this ideology. go ahead. oh, well, it's exactly true what you're just serve and you know, well why that came to power. there was some who you rushing the so called expert circles that you know, biden is a service, he's not ready to go. so a way to think going to come down because use a center. well, sandra is inside at the very, and society center is inside a regular and you would, you know, look nice people. i mean most of the group will just be in the, in nazi germany. and julia are gone by the centrist, you know, by people who just went with the flow and did everything. it was supposed to be there and you know, the bananas. we will. so by the repeat these things that he actually doesn't believe in 20 years ago. so 2 years ago he said, very different things, right? he's a board sort of very risky and i will see you this projects. i mean,
this green you deals. that's all what happens in europe. you know, i recently, germany prided to sell or get out of nuclear energy. your bonds are shut down and fall into today will read in the side, which is the main georgia german. and you'd have to use an article by nissan to assess or take when player has, you know, the one thing you can do is to play into which by doing something that we should have kept the nuclear energy. but no one is held responsible when the rush is called response, right? and we have the energy crisis out of the way with all russia, even though they know that they just have to register their loss due to pipeline. and the problem will be resolved, right? and the end, the, the rector, if you so you, these, if you are up. so you're right, this variable full in the popularity, you'll find them, you know,
which is only comparable to jimmy carter. you know, the terrible slide down in the 1st months of your presence and i think it is explained to a certain extent barrio by, by these failed centuries centers incite radicalism. santian inside that society is not nice in georgia, just just in the parallel to the 1st part of our program is that, you know, you're talking about nato expansion and, and then the blaming nature, extension, russia, because russia is a threat. it ends up being this really weird launching the same thing is happening with this administration with the american people. they are prodding more conservative people so intensely that they're demanding a reaction and it's a c, c. c. how see how aggressive these people are. you see what i mean? i mean, when, when they're there, they're projecting. i mean, they're actually doing what they say. everyone else is. go ahead. yes. yes, no question. and i think is a very good example. what you're saying is,
what's being done now to the january, the people are the punishment and the humiliation that is being inflicted on them are already see any kind of connection with crimes alleged crimes if they had committed is all about, you know, teaching some people a lesson, you're like what we do see how you are treated. and you know, if i can take a page out of the book, i mean the most of the talks about the soviet experience and it's always what, what the bible b is not on like. well, the bolshevik said, some people, some groups of people are elevated, you know, they're special. everybody else is just vermin and whatever we don't to them, they deserve it. so you know with the boss because the proletariat. so here, if you're black, you're close, not cala, asian american, then you know you are, you are a victim, your sanctify, you know, do whatever you want. if you're a male again, you know, if you forget, if you're out of here. so,
so we again last week in the, by the ministration coming out with a strategy to deal with gender equality and equity about how you know, where women and girls are being persecuted discriminated against them. all sophistic show, men, all boys are falling behind you. all that is in jobs. mayo, suicide is on the rise. and yet, but i guess look in know about the, the only people that we should be concerned about is, are the women or girls that's, that's all you know, you came across. but there was a gender person that lives as a, as a, as a woman. but this person was elevated and they're saying this is a victory for, for women. but i don't understand that it seems to be a defeat for women in my opinion. anyway,
i'm not as well as other people. it's quite obvious here. ok d ma, where does this go? because we were more and more so when we gathered together we are invoking the bolshevik experience. okay. and would you be any, was this the little pepper oven? and then we mentioned more parallels. and now it seems to be a direct reflection here. go ahead. well, i would say the cellphone or should be there in general because ultimately it is now what is the 3rd for most of the day after now and borrow the features? is this constant threat, you know? oh, he said, we're going to die. you don't extend all evans how, you know it turned out to be alive because after the war, germany bras, but on this much more with energy right. in the same way, all the planets is going to die and the climate is going to change dramatically unless we immediately immediately spend this $3500000.00. right?
and in europe, what's going on in europe? boyland, hungary, a christie gate for, for not in the line. and when the british prime minister made a speech and the european parliament a few days ago, presenting his arguments, they were all refused to buy from germany who just what you said, what you said makes you happy. you know, then yeah, give us just what you said makes you happy and that means you should stop at the meeting. so unfortunately we're going down the road. there are threats, you know, i just never home or climate change, whatever. you know, if you can just drop in and make enough, there are people who are demonized like goldstein in the oils, nor will put you in the, in the western media. no, was, she didn't bring maybe tomorrow, right. so unfortunately, we have the same,
same narratives repeated themselves and i don't know where it will lead us. i can only hope that it won't lead us to the same will losses that we the humanity endure during the world war 2 and during the experiments. but it talks more and more like if the fact of millions of people killed both 1st hundreds of thousands of people in iraq in the history and every pizza. so 100 percent. right. and george, i mean, when you, when you have you disregard the humanity of the people, you have only sets up the beginning of cascading disaster for 20 seconds to george, finish it up or exactly. and i think just to continue with the analogy of the sabbath, the records already the ground is being lazy. but if the vitamin station gets to be called in the next year, then the blame lies with always. there was
a republican government, governor's, a ledger such as that have changed the voting rules to prevent cheating. no, they were denying the rights of the people to vote and put in is always that he had to be in the election road or lead ok. dental in that book when it gets in budapest and here in moscow and what they are watching is 0. do you see an ex family member across ah ah no, no, no, no one else shows the wrong one. i just don't hold any world to see proud disdain becomes the advocate an engagement equals betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart,
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