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1st time that everyone got take here in anywhere. what these horrible things were done to them. now, i believe it will be more and more difficult for the government of the united states to keep secret what happened to the other people. because their headlines, my colleague andrew farmer, will be here in just under an hour's time with a full and fresh look at your news. this is our t international and we're glad have to with with hello and welcome to cross talk. we're all things considered. i'm peter lavelle. it would seem with every passing day were allowed to openly discuss fewer into you were topics the events on capitol hill on january 6 is one of them. what happened
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that day is a 3rd rail. was it a riot or an insurrection? even asking this is inflammatory. it shouldn't be. ah, i cross sucking january 6. i'm joined by my gas mileage abdel in washington. he is a g p strategist in atlanta. we have robert patello. he is a civil rights attorney and a radio host. and in new orleans we cross o'brien, thrasher. he is a former of trump administration advisor, an author of laws and sausage. you never want to see either one get made or a gentleman cross stock rolls in effect. that means he can jump any time you want. now he's appreciate, let's go to washington dc, 1st money. why do we have this very, very poll, the rising, are competing narratives. anyway, 6 was a riot. january 6 was an insurrection. why the difference go ahead? i think a lot of that obviously has to do with donald trump,
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the 4 years that preceded or 3 and a half or so years there preceded the riot. well, if you, the, i think what happened is that the democrats, they wanted to actually manufacture something in, in this case, they thought that insurrection sounded appropriate. unfortunately, according to the director of the f, b i and our nations attorney general, they don't use the term insurrection to refer to what happened on january 6th. and this is something that they said that, that me thing this, this is actually something that they fed and congressional testimony when democrats actually asked whether or not it was an insurrection. and both of them said that it's not an if it's not an appropriate term to use because it actually has technical, legal, compound, implications. so no, it wasn't an insurrection, but what they did say, according to the f, b, i's definition, is that they want describe it as an act of domestic terrorism. we can go back and forth in debate, whether it's even de risk domestic terrorism. but what we know, according to jo biden's own federal government,
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this does not fit the description of an insurrection at this point. okay, so robert, react to that because it my reaction to be is that using the word insurrection, and since the political cudgel, i mean in the worse the better. and when it is, is the taint tens of millions of people because they voted for donald trump, or didn't like joe biden here, i mean it, this seems a bit overreach here, but that's why you're here to explain why i'm wrong, and you're right. go ahead. my friend, robert, oh, i think is very clear under reach. i think democrats delivered or job of explaining exactly how important this even was and how serious this attack on democracy was, wasn't it insurrection and insurrection, as a kind of sounds like this idea of the old west of a bunch of people getting off horseback and breaking away from their local government, this was a very much, it was like planned attack on our democracy and attempt to overthrow overturned the result of 2020 luncheon, the week end or democratic republic as, as it,
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as it exists. let's look at other examples. one. this has happened in history 1933 to be your whole book, where you had a hitler organized people to try to overthrow the rice. doug, let's look one was leaving storms. busy the capital with his troops or his, those orders ended the a fast regime there. so this idea that somehow it was just a riot, right, is, don't have people bust in from around the country rights. don't have blood work at all. there's opening gates and allowing along the people to break into the capital, right? so the federal government failing to respond when a tech on their own capital. so i think instead of demonizing going after the individuals, you know, the school teacher or the, or the salon owners on and so forth, or part part of it caught up in those. we still haven't got the money behind it, paid for the people to come there who paid for the buses will pay for the hotels. how do you go into the g, 9th and government? how many congress members were involved in the planning and execution of that the people who are getting towards around the capital?
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well, the capital close to the future to the future. people were trying to, over to government. and also what were the end of the group? what they had seen to what would have happened that we were having, stopping in the county of the electoral votes, we would have had a new president not be sworn in. and a potentially had encountered some crisis with carter for war, banana republic. something is a wretch and a down playing of what actually happened and we need to talk about the individual and the problem chain and not simply to people when ok, let me go to brian and so robert just made it parallel to the protestors on that day to fascism i and hitler was brought up. mussolini was brought up. these people were protesters at the very, very least. they were some very bad apples there. none of them were armed apparently, and only a civilian was killed. ashley babbitt, which we will talk about later. and again, i mean, no evidence has been proven that this was meticulously planned for violence. was it
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planned to protest? yes, certainly it was. it's, it's, it's legal to protest. go ahead. brian. love that we're all in agreement that there was no insurrection in the know a congressional democrats using that word because it, in their own focus groups, it tends to, it tends to stoke a lot of passion among their base even though their base, most of them don't know, with the definition of insurrection really is, there's never been an insurrection in history. there were no weapons that the only people that were killed was people part of the insurrection, not who they were trying to, quote unquote, over growth. so i agree with a lot of with robert to said other than the fact that there was absolutely no attempt to overthrow the government. that's another misnomer. that's another just false statement made without any evidence there, there was no attempt to return the election results. the lecture results were overturned on election night in the days following when several states, when they saw that donald trump was ahead in states that like about some of the background, things like michigan, wisconsin,
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pennsylvania. they simply stopped counting. and they said, we're going to stop counting for the night. but then all of a sudden these miraculous ballots that were in the facebook funded dropbox is around the country, showed up in the middle of the night, 100 percent of which were votes for joe, by the note down ticket votes mark on these ballots whatsoever. just straight up, joe biden, vote showed up in the middle of the night and all of a sudden he takes the lead miraculously in these states. so we saw the overturning of an election on election night in the days following on january 6. would these people, these protests are what they wanted was they wanted vice president mike pens who was overseeing the session of congress to, to count the electoral votes to have to have these states allowed to challenge the results of because it's very obvious now 1011 months later that joe biting did not get 81000000 votes, and he can't even get all of those he needs in congress to pass his agenda. but the
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point is, is that this, this idea that this was an insurrection which i think we're all in agreement. it wasn't, it was really not an act of domestic terrorism. like you said, you know, the only death was an innocent on arm. air force veteran ashley back, but he was murdered by a rope, police officer. now, robert does make a good point as far as like, let's get to the root of it, the planning, all that kind of stuff where we now know that there were a lot of f, b, i, informant. okay, all right, that's it. all right, that's where i want brian, let me jump in here. that's exactly where i wanted to go. let's go back to washington dc. like, i mean there the that, it, that, that the true 3rd rail and all of this discussion is here, is we can have semantics all we want. but there, it seems to be evidence that the feds were involved in this. the more and more video that's being released, it shows that there were people that were a ring leaders. they don't seem to be charged. a lot of people want to know why with their m ample number of instances where the feds were involved in, quote unquote, potential terrorist acts. so there's a long history of that. and now there that were being faced with this and january 6,
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or we can ever really find out because i don't think policies committees interested in that. go ahead in dc. no, i don't think that we'll find out the extent of the f, b eyes and all that. but we do know that there wasn't any type of meticulous planning according to the f b i itself. and that's only if we believe they have b i the f b, i actually came out a report saying that of the $500.00 plus people that they charged thus far. that there has been no indication that there was any coordination with anyone in, not just in congress, but in toronto world, in that it cools people like roger stone, steve, bandit, and many of the others, what they call, what the democrats want to do with this select committee, they really want to just nail down donald trump. they want to assign some sort of blame to donald trump or republicans absent any evidence. and i think that's part of the larger problem that democrats are having. even with naming this insurrection versus domestic terrorism versus riots, because we also know that this time, last year, even last summer, when there were black life matter protest,
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now we're going around. we're done with actually ludy and righty, and burning and assaulting lee thought that the democrats, they did not even touch that rail of referring to it as either domestic terrorism or anything like that. they said that they were right. so we do know that the united states definitely had the history of riots happening, where police officers, law enforcement were attacked, and democrats and members of congress overall didn't say that that was actually terrorism or an insurrection. but i don't expect nancy pelosi to pursue the f. b. i angle to the extent that they're trying to assign blay to members of congress. and robert address the issue that we just heard here. i mean this out, this whole endeavor, this whole and insurrection it, this is aimed at donald trump, making sure that his reputation is tarnish. maybe they wanted to have a 3rd impeachment. i did to go after his followers, but this is the whole point. it is to keep the focus on trump, it really nothing else really matters to them here. and,
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and that's the gambit here. and given what we had on the last tuesday in the election room in virginia, being going after comp isn't paying paid or any more or not is much ok. how do you react to that robert? go ahead. i think that's the most incorrect narrative that can be taken away from this book was replaced medical supporters writing and breaking into the capital in finding stop you counting of electro. let's replace both with a 1000000 muzzle being in the united capital product institute mostly. and they kick or barrier break, hold into the capitals pieces of these these around the bigger houses off they go there, demanding the overturning of the legend. quite the same thing, brian did that. the boats were stolen, this is not will be right for you to president here. i think this become par for the course in american paul. haven't or i'm robert robert. i even go to the brand. i just want to say something before we go to the break, we still have 2nd half of the program, but you know, you're saying all of the protesters are the same. more and more evidence is that
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there were a lot of, there was some trouble makers and other people got it. i found themselves in something that they didn't want to be participating in. you know, so i please to stay away from the broad brush. go ahead. 20 seconds before we go to the break, go ahead. robert on the wire. you know, republicans want to investigate this. if they do believe that the, i don't get where we now have a getting bipartisan or for the idea that we can. but we need to stop it from becoming corporate america talented. and that were governed by mob rules. right. so sort of by the look for results. ok, well that perfect timing there. thank you robert. i'm going to jump in here gentlemen, we're going to do a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on january 6 day with our team. ah, ah,
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join me every thursday on the alex salmon. sure. but i'll be speaking to guess with the world of politics, sport, business, i'm show business. i'll see you then. mm. ah, welcome back to cross talk. we're all things considered. i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing january 6. ah
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okay, let's go back to brian in new orleans. today about a 100 of the protesters had played out ma misdemeanor is primarily on there's about $500.00 plus more. i'm a in detained in prison under a very rough conditions, according to some sources. are these people political prisoners, brian? well, they absolutely are. and actually after girls, when you think of a margery, just chill agree and she had the courage to go in through and visit these people and report back what's going on. and she said that not only are there there in humane conditions with regards to a lack of food, lack of medical care. but she said that people are being subject to re education, and most of them are rejecting. and she said, but i mean reeducation, 1st of all, there's nobody in the united states, a correctional system, that is, is qualified to re educate anyone let's, we're just talking about i was, might get their high school diploma or something like that. but re education.
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that's something that goes on in line concentration camps in cuba and you know, in other communist places. that's crazy. i mean, i could think of a bunch of liberals who really need reeducation, but i would never, i would never vote to force it on them because that's, that's against your constitutional rights as actually a cruel and unusual punishment. you know the truth, want to go back to it before the break. you know, robert already admitted that the, the, the capitol police let the protest 0, but then you're saying that it broke into the capital, or he made the reference of the broken broke into the capital capital police opened the doors. now, how did the f b i, when they learned nancy blue's in advance, that they expected some trouble at this at this protest. how did they know it's because they didn't form it in the crowd. they had known members of antique in black lives matter organizations in the crowd. some of them dressed up like trumps supporters are going around in breaking things and trying to route people up and attack people. but you know, all, all that is got, you know,
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white washed out when the national guard called lucy and said, do you want us to come over and help? she turned it down. now, if she wasn't involved in the planning of this, in the, in the constructing of this narrative of an insurrection of actor domestic terrorism by trumps or borders, why was she turned down the national guard doesn't make any sense. there's so much about this. it doesn't make sense why there. so people in jail, they didn't, they didn't do anything wrong. i mean, i don't really charging with trespassing capitals technically close because a co way they went in without permission or i mean, even even if the cops let them and they weren't supposed to be there, charged with trash fashion, give them a ticket, let them pay their final or to move on? why does anybody still in jail? this is crazy man. it central, you know, if you look at a lot of the people, the profile, we can generalize a profile. a lot of these people are older, they're late boomers, a lot of them are veterans, lot of them are poor. i mean, i don't understand there's this disproportionate reaction to their getting them to
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the legal process here. i mean it's, it's been a very, very long time for what essentially is protesting, loitering, and trespassing. i mean, i mean i, i, i'm guess at a complete loss and one has to presume that a lot of these people don't have good legal help. ok. so i mean, you know, just as denied as to justice. the justice delayed is justice denied in this case, go ahead in washington. yes, so that's actually a very good point. i was one of those who actually i attended the 1st stop the steel rally as they act. we called it. this was probably early december. i think it was. i actually attended the 1st of the 3 stopped the steel rallies. and so i could have easily been locked into the same group that they blocked into the january 6. i do believe, well, i did know that there were a lot of people who just went along with the crime. and that typically what happens whether or not it was what happened on capitol hill or even in the black lives matter, right. where you have people who just moved along with the crowd. what i like to
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know from nancy pelosi and brian mentioned it, and robert mentioned it. we still don't have an answer to it. who gave the old k for them to allow them on their writers into the capitol. someone actually gave that order in we still do not know to this day who that person was. the fact is that there were failures on all sides from i live here in dc from our metropolitan police department. it from our mayor, from the national guard, the pentagon, and even on capitol hill, they were literally fairies, failures at all levels. and we saw with the numbers congressional here. he said, we've had the far purpose prior to the select committee that they, we pat. now i g reports coming out just really given us information on how to prevent these type of things from happening. again, in a contrary to what robert said, these were literally bi partisan hearings that we had well before that you'd, our dad, nancy. pelosi jones are select committee, so we do have
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a lot of information about what occur the failures in what we can do to actually make sure these type of things don't happen again. so we don't have to speak about these things as if it didn't happen at all. these things actually did happen. and there are answers that we need and specifically, who gave the stand down orders on capitol hill. and that is not something that donald trump could do, or anyone around donald trump. i still think we need, i still think we need to know that answer. i can jump in real quick when real quick because you know that yeah, they made the point about not have not, you know, the public is not wanting to buy parts and investigation. republicans did. but mccarthy did offer who he wanted on that january 6 select committee and policy rejected. it was jim jordan and somebody else. instead they picked the most tromp hating rhinos in congress, a liz cheney and adam king singer. neither one who are real republicans. you want them who are going to be in congress next year. both of them hate donald trump. so
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there was an attempt by kevin mccarthy to make it a bipartisan committee. nancy pelosi rejected that. could fake republicans on and who hate trump. that's when the whole committee became a joke. that's why fan in stone, all the people are ignoring the shipping. as you know that this committee is a joke. they haven't a jurisdiction, they have no real power and nothing's ever going to happen. and the democrats are going to lose congress next year. and the whole thing's going to go away and less republican decide to make a real bipartisan investment corey committee, which i think in general, i don't think they're going to do that. i think they should be looking into the f b, i wanted the f, b i orchestra this. what are the f b i or history charges against cow? written house is clearly innocent. why did this oppressive video that proved his innocence and the only the only came out in the trial? that that's, that's the questions we need answered. i get to the question i have is that after i mean, so many things have been mentioned here. i mean, i've never heard humans a deep on the f b i because i think they, i mean, given their recent track record with wretched gate and all these other things here . i'm a little surprised, hadn't been mentioned. got more serious. know here robert,
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i want to stay with the 500 or so they're still in prison here. i mean, are they being made examples into, you know, to, to the public in general that, you know, don't know, don't, don't even think about protesting, because you could find yourself in to the, the grips of the, of the, of the legal system because it's quite terrifying. with these people are going through. okay. i mean from what i understand virtually none of them have a criminal record. go ahead robert. any, you know these people, as you said they're, they're or they're an educated. many of them are role and i think the reason they're still accustomed, because many of them are refusing to own up to what they have done. their tech on the american people be a tech on the american congress. the in tech on the, if they're not the back of the american people at the end of civilization as it is, there were to point to tom, bear with you to vote. republican for years were republicans would hold a copy of the constitution in their pockets where they will be even our democratic institutions in this country where they put america before party, what the values of the country and what were you to stand for before petty
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political games right now they will make every excuse for individuals who are willing to try to hang the vice president united states of america. i believe that the american people could stand up and have a boyfriend, so it will rather have a victorian mandate that said that the people that whoever yelled aloud is what kids food was door forwards, breaking off feeds into the capital that that is, will be in charge of this country, they were nearly identical to the local to go to check. we brought up a 1799. napoleon is that same thing to be, could be a different people in the directory, let to one of your going to hold on a role. so the idea that these are simply protesters, individuals who were mad about a watch. ok gentlemen, a 3 minute me see, gentlemen, gentlemen, we have 3 minutes and i want to give each one of you 81 minute 1st. going to brian
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will ashley, bam. it ever get justice in her family. ashley babbitt, go head well now now that they know who the capitol police officer is the murder, the current of government, her control of congress to furnish person occupying the white house is never going to do anything. but eventually that powers in it is going to change, it's going to happen. and i happy that that, that officer will be brought to justice and he needs to be a charge per capita merch, pardon the pun, but no, going back to a couple things. there was no fee found anywhere the speakers officer anywhere in the capitol. the only place they found species was injured by his pants at the vatican. couple weeks ago. i know you're taking that was all, hey, i was ok. i want to go back. i want everyone to talk about ashley babbitt before we enter the program. go ahead, molly, can washington, will she get justice or? no, and i know i'm actually one of those. i've really don't, you know, it's sad what eventually happened to ashley bad enough court. and unlike the black lives matter, protests, windows, people were actually assaulting police officers, no police officer actually of thought or killed. any member of black lights matters,
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but those who attended the ride. but i don't think that ashley babbitt go get any justice. i actually think that the shooting itself was justified when you tried to break into an area where members of congress were, i really don't. it's a very sad thing at the very sad thing for her family. but at the end of the day, ashley babbitt cut herself in that position and i don't know even if it worked at the white house, ashley babbitt would equally probably still not be alive today. so i don't think that she'll get any justice. i think the shooting get felt from what i've seen, definitely st justified. and i don't expect her to, for family to get any type of recourse or anything from the federal government because they decided that this was the justified shooting in the same way that they shut down. decided that many other shootings that happen around the corner to on glad people, white people, asian people, you know, it, spanish, people that those shootings were actually justified, considering the circumstance dances. so no,
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i don't expect her to get any justice out this at all. okay, robert, not in same question to you. i mean, because for a lot of people, you know, a very small woman. you know, she wasn't armed, she would, she wasn't confronted. i'm, there were other people around her. i mean, it didn't seem scott, so completely unjustified. ok though, if you look at liberal media, she was a threat to the republic. that's. that's pretty hard to swallow. i'll give the last word to you or robert. go ahead. i find it amazing for republicans. it's always back the blue unless it's you, that woman was great, broke into the capitol. they kicked in a window to give to the car through a window and a cat, members of congress. what was you want to do on the other side of them? just a wrote police officer was going to stand up and put his wife on the line to defend or democracy has been our country. both are bet right to try to make this personally balance as opposed to people who are bringing into the capital. ever deb from the institutions of government and why our democracy is beginning from fray at the edges that we have to begin. i sat with gentlemen,
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i law have the job in here. we have run out of time. i want to thank my guest in washington, atlanta and in new orleans. and what i think my viewers for watching us here at r t see you next time and remember rostock roast. ah ah ah, what else seemed wrong when i'll prove just a sheep out disdain because of the african and engagement? it was the trail. when so many find themselves will depart, we choose to look for common ground. we can now look into people's minds. read the question then is what
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