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haven for terrorism, less than a month later, the u. s. and u. k. were rendering, suspected terrorists, c u. s. prison camp guantanamo after this month's decision by british courts to exonerate the u. s. justice system when it comes to wiki likes. as julian assange, this program investigates the alleged torture of months. we're a di fee by the usa, the author of don't forget us here. lost and found at guantanamo was swept up by us linked warlords in the cia in afghanistan. 18 year old missouri became detainee for, for one was held at guantanamo for 14 years without charge you a discretion was advised to so may be disturbed by us treatment of prisoners discussed in this interview. ventura duffy joins me now from belgrade in sylvia. man, so welcome to going under ground. i suppose we better stop given the, i know from a law is that people watch this show in guantanamo bay, torture camp, prison, whatever. it's called a 1st a message i suppose from you to the people still in there. yeah, 1st of all,
thank you for how are you today and is the 2nd time actually actually are to you one of their favorites. you're not going to know because it's the other side of the wall. and before i start, i would like to send them a say, a message or my brother said guantanamo de la bradshaw to her son, to hide it, to where at everyone. i shall, as soon you will, he will leave. and we haven't forgotten about you. i must have had without a bless you all. and i any of those people, they're all welcome on the show to hopefully they get out of that hell hole soon. half your life destroyed. how did you even write such a book? so he, on the process of writing that book started at going to them to those are 10 until 2013. but both, i like to address a documentarian book in this book. then it was confiscated. it shared 13 by the cannon station with the army took over, they let down us in their confinement and confiscated all our belongings. so and
they took, they took, they committed the book. it was like, i was really had a screaming like bring my child back because they have worked so hard like the story is and i went to try it from different perspective and different angle and a different way. i went to write as a reader. and as writer, i wrote about the, the brothers, the garden that comes back, the animal is the one us that, you know, i bought like a survival. oh, you know, and i'm, so i tried to, you know, like i said, if i can manage to capture those moments of beauty and hub and bring it to light. well, i tell you, it was one of the great prison ma'am, was regardless of the politics arguably. i mean, just just a recap. and i know you've talked about this elsewhere. basically, us public money was given to the cia used to buy you from afghan was kidnapped to you. they, i was told you to say you were al qaeda. how many were killed?
do you know how many were killed by the cia before the transportation to guantanamo in the 1st place before they narratives, gods in the book even you know, just wanted to show you this week. nobody knows how many of you will actually present like this. yeah. or died under the torture because this is have been as you know, what they call this is actually not in the in they have they have many gales like guns contacts, dan, jordan and elsewhere. i mean, when i went well, unfortunately, we don't know all the names of the countries. so why wasn't do it when i was writing stories about the book and then also my brothers, they inter again until shar gable everywhere in the space under atlas. and the aircraft carriers, ocean the only way i am, i only the space them, some people to shut the door, shut them in to get them believe that's it. because everywhere,
everywhere in the book, details continuous to watch, a fake execution. the youngest detainee was 3 months old, the eldest, a 105 years old of you. i think what shocked people and it shocked us, i suppose is our, the red cross comes you say you say that you wrote to the, the road to have the international committee for the red cross to be removed from guantanamo, claiming that the red cross has only purpose was to give the jetta messy to what the americans would doing out they, they say they helped you they but do they know of your hunger strikes? you're feeding jazz, your weapon. i zation of islam against you. the stars of david, shamed into your head, i mean, did the red cross not help? you know, there's cross basically when you come, when we are going to know that it's cross was, was there actually when we are right, the 1st woman, but they wouldn't do it and i was talking to them. what was going on here?
we can do, and i think we can, we need a parcel right that. so after that, like months after we were talking to them said guys, look what happened last year. they said, we have agreement with state, we are not allowed to talk anything to the media to anyone else. anything has to go to the media has to go 1st to the pin tag on i have to give us a position. so the medium went like the 1st i was have been in the hunger strike, the mistress and everything was happening. i see, i see why there. but in the end, we know most of the things that we wrote, like a letter to the i see, i see signed by around like 400 detainees. ask them to leave one in an official letter from a sick west. because when they, when doing their, it just gets to chrissy, i remember one day i wasn't the 1st feeding. and then 5 of a blood, one of the i c r c a. what banks did any guy when he asked me, i call it when he saw me, like cover his eyes. what's wrong with it? he said, we are not allowed to see you guys because, you know,
basically when we are psychotic under stretching, used to move us to one of the camps that i see are see a mit, mit us, or stopped us even even the in belgrade or in other places when the c, i used to hire a business, they were to come to other places during the i see i see visit i he has, he knows about it. but as long as they don't see it, like they can not report it. well the, i see, i see say that the, the role of it is an independent non judgemental humanitarian organization to regularly assess facilities speak with attorneys, maintain ongoing dialogue with us authorities in order to offer observations and make recommendations where appropriate. while the i see, i see monitors the conditions of internment at guantanamo the responsibility of an ensuring the bus was held there, and he treated you, made me lies with the u. s. authorities. i mean, if you go to back to the report, talk about the 30, i was going to them, we can do it everywhere. and i see, i think what they're watching,
everything they know that having them with since years and years like on the i c, r c because there was no, any kind of rule at all. because during, even like when, you know, like when i went to one second house with the i, c, r c was there, understand time they used, they would like that deal a business where writing from different parts of the world. and i see as you see them, we were hunger strike. there's a lot of case that comes with that 1st spray. it became shocking yelling. i see, i see a lot about it. but as i told you, they kind of big, our santa who can tell what they have with the idea by the us government. and you say that that is used against prisoners who wrote to family members. the red cross says messages contain only family news and a check by the us authorities to ensure this is the case of corresponds to standard worldwide practice. you mentioned jeffrey miller, the general who won the distinguished service medal after his activities in
guantanamo actually working on that one was you know, what, when he went to what he did, he's the one who started a but even at a place it there. so actually he started the enhanced interrogation technique or the week at want and then after that he went to sensitive by our process to it up to get with it. you mentioned your friend was there and your asking the red cross about his death as you know, i mean tell, tell me about your friend. and obviously they said it was suicide, and i understand what that it, that they broke his back while he was being forced. you know, what one would have interesting is leader who actually started in 2009. and before that started, you know, gathering people and encouraging everyone to strike or a dozen people can 5 to come sick. and he was also left by a suspect from the guards and everyone. so at that time they didn't want to
it kind of like a protest or 2nd that was going on because we 2009, we will move to start. you can find me in 5, i'm sick. so am i start running the people try to, again to night to what is our situation as well. he was moved to the when they call it the if you behavioral health unit or the 2nd unit, what they, psychologists actually a function. we heard the news that he's on hunger strike and he was cheated. i want the letter to the general at that time for like 4 pages, ask him to bring what black back and we we will take care of him. but he was sick and so after that i was in like the 1st feeding and we get the new was done by back was broken by a see. and he got to to walk a chair and i think yes,
he was calling his me 2 weeks later we heard the news that he died. so i took the brother was with him in the same place. i said to some possible like kind himself because he was what they call under direct watch was like 24 hours. the guys watch him and like 2 cameras in the cell. so when i talk to the i, c r c, i don't like some possible because they have, they have to investigate the brothers. i have got to work with them. i have actually the medical stuff. and one of the brother, he said, you said like, no you like they took 45 minutes till the medic arrived, to actually to, to respond to it, to the coal and who was left there. so basically it's, it's still, it's a mystery. is that what they call them like, oh, but this has gotten, i called it a mistake that yeah, well, you name names in here and obviously there are lots of death. many people did die.
do you think michael bum gonna killed the 3 day tany, or was it a cover up a scott horton, a journalist for you? thank. in the book alleges that of course, general michael bomb gonna says it was a blatant misrepresentation. you know that colonel, he is the 1st one who b a break our hunger 2nd 2005. after he bought the hunger strike, he was talking about there is like i said, i am one of the brothers. he said, we have heard that you have some like dishes or dreams that you, whenever you want to 10 of your favorite any di here. like what would it be? i can answer for that after a few weeks where like the of the brothers died, the same way hen got their hand tied behind him. at the same time, it's impossible to coordinate such ag at the same time, like in the same manner. i was in the sand like when they took when, like that me like 12 o'clock and then night,
like like like any other day. but what i notice when i wake up is like different guy then the same. got like different gods. the younger that much, it was a little there anymore. they messed him. and i heard the one is pre when i hear what the word screen like was going on there. like they said yes. night. like it's a nightmare. no, i have been because then when i wasn't when they took yes from your so some possible because the man time he had his back both his leg, my site and he's like a washcloth from his mom. so basically listen to what they used to interrogate. danny mentor at a failed stop you that more from former guantanamo detainees for, for one after this break, with
all those driven by trainer shaped banks. concur some of those with there's sinks, we dared to ask for what we got to do is identify the threats that we have. it's crazy confrontation, let it be an arms race is on a very dramatic development, only nationally and getting to resist. i don't see how that strategy will be successful, very difficult time time to sit down and talk with
welcome back. i'm still here with months or a day fee also. don't forget us here. lost and found to guantanamo, tell me about when you were interrogated. i mean, so many times so many hunger strikes. so many meetings in this book. what of what you thought when you saw israeli badges on the interrogators? what were the israeli interrogators doing where they is writing and then to get to sometimes they came like wearing a uniform. those instigators, they are beginning lease. so i'm not just that like i'm but like when, when the 1st meeting i was talking to the one of the nurses and she told me, i told her, i don't want that nurse to me personally. she said, what do you mean as you like? but they didn't where they ever been it. so i you, one, i said what?
so basically it's a facility for, for any garza gators saunders, i kind of yes everyone. and i guess that there was like a satanic room like dark room, and they're like a lot of stars in science in the room. they use like a sneak, it sometimes they cover us when you like, when we break, they would go for us with american flag was right. if lead is kind of like communication and try to block, you would try to pressure to that to that made you it wasn't, it wasn't a bunch for me. she wasn't a bunch. i said, i'm rick and i'm rick. i was more steady. you know, at a place where there's no accountability and a place outside the law. so they found a place where they kind of experimenting development their techniques. and that's it. yeah, they would drugging your food. you mentioned the behavioral health unit. what about the sexual abuse? we've heard
a lot now in the supreme court. i think there are different cases talking about it . use of female torture is. i'm buttoning their blouses and then calling you, i'll kind of, they don't look at your breast, continued for enforce nakedness. what was the role of female torture is at guantanamo premium. was use identities because as you know, what was the case, we came from a background that like our fi, our you know, and i think would bother you. i think we're here to and think well, well, bother you and they will do, you know, you know, giving us like, it isn't one of the things like, yes, anybody got even kind of a psychologist that once they get a famous inventor getters, you know, they, they they used to also serve naked, they used to show their press, you know, one of them, one of the, to get to, she was the, some of her pre a to blood and what is in the, one of the chinese space. and they also said a female,
when for them they have sex in the room sometime that was to make it open to listen to change. like, would you like to be to heaven many, many stories and like, you know, some of the problem, i don't want to go about it still yet to legal issues might have been there, sexual her, us, or have been one of well they, they, they suddenly weaponized islam throwing the crohn's around and destroying them, and so on. i mean, what is it your understanding they were brainwashed or the u. s. education system is, is useless. i mean, it comes out they, they know nothing about the rest of the world, the less than you came from yemen to study information technology wanting a career in information technology. you are a they were able to joke with one of the interrogators in my, the aladdin and sorcery just because it was thundering outside the weather. you
know, that was the guards when it before went to get the boat to go on and on. when they have no idea they have your files for those information for 5 guards. also in the sense i'm like neil, especially at the army guards. they came from, you know, people who have in good education or they have no idea about this, or i'm so also the way you know, and military, they also engineered the mindset that the guards get to be loyal to the cause of the system or whatever. so before they sent him to blanket they would take them to the ground, 0 new york, and they would tell them the one who did a platinum. so no gosh, those got to the right and one time full pay and grades and thinking they are, you know, there are they still to tell them, this is the front line you are in. this is a war zone here. and imagine that the gods towards it is on here. and any ashton,
my teeth, what they can be as like an actual tourism like they used to put on a cell and going to. and if we're going to hinder cycle throat, as they did like your announcing you had to get a status. thank you. i trying to bring a country down like even doesn't to get us on kind of those and got him because he like they have the same narrative, some of the gods when they live with us, like for a few months, observing us watching us. they have a change, you know, they, they found like they were introduction about was done going there. because anyway, you wouldn't know a person. is he a killer or a bad person? but we live with that person for a few months, watching them eating, eating, praying, crime, torturing as a human. yes, they are human after all, over the world. so you have your own degree. so some of the got some funding with us. some of the like actually starting to follow the rules,
but the system is set up a victims of the system at one time because, and i guess the twenty's or brought us was, it gets to what i'm, but also some of the guards from them to get some kind of stuff were so big because they were 1st to something that, against their hicks and morals, or a big personals. and some of those guys were forced to for share any. so when we really they had the d. s. d from toys in was the u. s. has been defeated in iraq and afghanistan because you see them revolves around you with this so long . you know, one of the sentiment at one time i was some of the guards that was oregon and we call them so when they went to tor sorta, so when they can back when they came back, they're going to send person again. you will see a broken so not the broken 1st person, and this with like least some book and he so something that happened to them. so
we're, we were talking about, we were talking about those doris. what happened to them? because we remember the worst, the good guys, some of them get killed, some of them come into side of them become homeless, some of them, you know, listening limbs. so actually, you know, those guard where are those soldiers weren't train you to fight, but they were never structed or give any advice how to do with their math. so basically they were, you and they are, i do, they also make it well, the upper classes in that class system arguably, obviously deny them. they are the names in the book general michael dunn levy of mcqueen that the navy says an interrogation. this is an erie times news article in 2011. he says interrogations were consistent with the geneva convention. he won the distinguished service medal as well. just as an adult mcqueen. in general,
the navy became a judge in pennsylvania. what, what do you say to the fact that these people are always saying that the geneva convent, i presume you mean the geneva conventions because there's no one where abided by this american version. you can fix it. they had their own version because what you like about going to want them shouldn't exist in the 1st place to place out of sight of the instead of call them if you know you should call them prisoner. and then actually, but they called them to cheney. so they didn't have to write, you know, at one time we, we have seen on that, not a lot of problems with them. if you commission and song, because it's no law apply at one time rica law will be alone. get a conviction that not and, and condition of low. basically, when they said that, i mean you have to, i didn't think you need to convince you, allow to a prisoner a mental history for 20 years and different petition without you, right, or trial or fish. that was kind of what i'm going to now is a simple oh for sure. who does this lawlessness of power in different detention?
you know what they don't know like it's different kind of literacy, too many places around the world. well, the black sites may be open, we don't, we don't know, and you say biden is not shut it down a black site and local, but i would like to ask if you ask those, you know, did he also we applied you have a confession that like sites even if you die, you die in the way unit conversion the same time. so erotically, that's what it, how was it an education for you? i know a one time you tell a cell neighbor as a carrier, that they can tell you anything. there's a 105 year old is a salary lens driver, cook professor, very big agenda. israel g here, i presume. so me judge was in education for you. is that why you're going to become one of the great writers of this century? who knows? you know, the question is to every human being that's what left the person as
a person like it is because you know, the worst thing to continue with right now for worse and starvation concern because it is the dark side with. so it was like, since i was a one time when i found myself in 2010, you know, is i know, 8 years behind the instructor confinement and i thought i told myself, i do want to be the same person for, for the rest of my life, so we start to move, shaken, would become shifting, would become them, station for education, for english class is to get to plus s. r plus is less skills or so. and also obama send a delegation to 110 of them to make it look good, because i think he knew he's not, he won't be able to close it. they've missed some of the condition of organizations around like 40 pages to change to like one of them that got him station. they don't
want to have like some of the are most of the thinking recommendation. again, we actually weren't like a hunger strike then that many people germany brought us to join us with some shipping with the conversation. i can tell you like we got at least what we need, not one we wanted and we knew what were like is going up what i wasn't going to close. so at least we can have, you know, the some piece at that place. so we have a, we have some of your work, i think. yeah, yeah. so some of our talk. so what, when you started talking to that i can kind of about the class. you said you guys are a tourist, you know how to pen. you know, it's okay i'm, we have some of the others to print something and we show them i like that. oh yes . then we started like after class, it wasn't a demanding and asking and typing it. i think i'm easy honestly, and this was the one that would want to know. this is kind of like rules,
rules change every almost every 2 weeks. it does, it does have 16 days of what they call standardization. whoever seizure, gender on $84.00 times like average was if, if we so when you kind of, when the new administration arrive at once, and i'm this year when i buy them, when they lecture, it's one of the worst time at one time in your calendar, right? and they have their own a mission and vision, health one become that you the rules. and if it's how to the brother of 20 years after 1000 years to come to change the rules and make new or still these annuals and interest means. and if not, well, let us know of information as you get it from, as you say, going down one to the bike ministration. i know you're wearing the guantanamo orange color there in belgrade, you know, under the castro government they said go down, always occupied cuba. tell me,
i suppose finally about how cuban iguanas say, would you talk about it? like i think at least here, the american difference wasn't about the human rights in cuban the same time. they committed one of the major a violation in the, in the, and the tv in 70 went to them like our and so you know and want to know when you, when you live in such a confinement. i mean, as i told you, everything can design there will bring to your mind of your, of your buddy. i think like i bought control, which i guess when you control control everything, the air, the water, the thought to lie the time, everything. so we weren't allowed to thought they were really loud, and big fans, vacuums directors, everything and stuff. the confinement i couldn't talk to one of the brothers. so i
still am a social person. i like to talk like a social people. when i get out to the wreck, everything was close green. i certainly don't see glass what i'm looking for for food. so yes, i start talking to them and i just a normal conversation that good listen. so actually say listen. so in that i was like, he was like, i have a mental, a problem. i'm thinking of that they got that unit and i asked if they need to get that, they have to talk to my investigators when i think thank you. thank you so much for having me today. and the shit, or guy that's for the show will be back a wednesday for a season finale when we speak to the legendary pink floyd front by roger waters about the year of nato nation and justice, including the torture incarceration of wiki leaks found at julian a sorry job to reports of his stroke in a london prison. until then keep in touch my social media. let us know whether you think guantanamo bay will ever close.
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