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with cross talking the great reset. i'm joined by my guess jeffrey tucker in austin. he is the founder and president of brownstone in city. in bristol, we have 20 rar. she's the deputy leader of the workers party of britain in author of the drive to war against russia and china. and here in moscow were joined by tony ewing. he is managing director, conquer risk capital, as well as advisory board member of our c investments. right cross sack rules and the fact that means he can jump in any time he won. and i always appreciate the 1st thing i want to ask all of you and i want to else. i'll start with jeffrey and in austin. what is the state of the economy as the pandemic is fading? of course, in a different parts of the world. it's, there is different status for the pandemic. but as we it it, as it ebs here, where we standing here because the prognosis was the economy should roar once it was unlocked from the lock downs. now there's different opinions of where we're

going, jeffrey. you 1st. it's not a lock on the lock downs and, and we're suffering has result broken supply, chance hold world port clogged and he was empty shelves, shortages high inflation and you know, an aggregate. but if you look at the individual sectors of construction or beef prices, bacon gas, you name it, americans are suffering dreadfully. hundreds of thousands of businesses were destroyed during the pandemic. they're not coming back. and now you've got the vaccine mandates that are being imposed through a regulatory, judicial theat, and you've got the biden ministration, ignoring judges that are condemning them. so i'm telling you in my lifetime, i've never seen such a sadness and chaos and brokenness across the board. just a year turned go ahead in bristol i think it's really important to notice that right at the beginning of the pandemic when the look downs were brought in,

there was actually a financial crash, a financial crisis, a crisis in the system that was covered over by the lockdown, and when we had a big bailout, it wasn't a kind of it bailout. it was another big business bailout like we saw in 2008, but it was covered over because of course, the angle that would have arisen on the streets that people had realized were biting out big business again. because there's another financial crisis would have been really extreme, and that crisis has not been recovered from fundamentally caused by the fact that the mass of the working class have not the money to put the demand into the economy . they can't buy the goods that they themselves have been producing. and that hasn't changed. we've come out of the pandemic in the exposed the huge inequalities in the system led to a huge amount of, i guess, amongst people as they saw how unequally they were hit by the pandemic. how, when, equally the health care, how an equal the, the effects of the disease on people and how unequal the distribution of work,

and who gets paid and who doesn't work, but what's really noticeable. now if there's like, you know, inflation is going up, people's weight is not keeping tabs with that and we have more pain to come. okay, well i think it's so far, very interesting this problem and jeffrey and jesse are probably is the, i'd diametrically opposed ideologically as possible. and i saw jeffrey nodding his head the entire time. this is interesting, this is why we're doing the program. right. tony? your turn, what is the state of the economy? go ahead. i think i would also agree with my colleagues here. i think that the economy is supposedly coming back. i would, i'll add something new perhaps discussion, which is just that. i think this, this highlights, once again the, what i believe is, is the problem in measuring the quality of growth and the quality of an economy. we see g d p numbers. don't look that bad. generally, it looks like it's like with the economies returning to its pre coded trend. but

the reality on the ground is that people are still looking for work. we have massive underemployment, which masks the unemployment problem. we also have issues where small businesses are struggling more or are dead as different mentioned, but and big businesses, which i think are the ones that are holding up the g, b, g, b number. the giant businesses have gained dramatically. and i think that that masks a lot of pain, that we're not seeing, we, those, those companies, they, they did math layoffs during 2020. they benefited from different types of tax write offs as well as benefited from being able to withhold investment the they kept the profits and in many cases just paid out dividends. so what we're seeing is kind of an artificial set of macroeconomic numbers that make it appear as though things are doing fine or things are on chart to recover when in fact i think we've,

we've got to severely damaged economy. okay, well it's very interesting that we're all pretty much on the same page, at least so far. ok, well the name of this program i've titled it what reset. so now we'll see what the differences are, jeffrey, i mean, we hear build back better the re reset. what does that mean to you? i mean it's, these are bumper stickers. what does it mean to you? yeah, the rubber 6 that anything. what we really need to address is the dramatic and balance of power that her, that the pandemic response exposed. and basically you have a ruling class out there, there wants to every, every 1000000 zoom and, or they're, they're, they're managing the political and economic systems according to their own interests and totally comply with complete disregard for the, for the working class. and or, and, and, or your guess is correct about the g d p can eat to g, d, p can drive the g, d p, the g d p is not gonna hear you when you're sick. yeah, i mean, now these are fake numbers, you know, and i, i watch the stuff, you know,

every day i, man, i am a data. maybe i love going through mission of find out what's with actually going. i mean, you have to look at labor participation for gothic in the us. we're, we're missing 4300000 workers. you know, they're just gone. are mostly a taken from the community of women and minorities during the pandemic lock downs. and, and it's, it's, it's been absolutely exploitive and you talk about big business. i mean, basically for large zooming, you know, digital companies are buying up manhattan on the cheap, you know, it's, it's, it's an eternal, believable scandal and, and something. so there is going to be a great return of some sort or and, and, but i don't know to tell you what is going to look like. but, but we have to address this problem of, of the imbalance of, of power based on the, on the, on the class structure. and by the way,

i didn't even know this year, right. i'm good, a lot of things i believed about world that turn out to be false. are things that are true that i'm just now learning or but i've been an absolute scandalized at the, at the policies of the last 20 months and factored me. i'm, this is, this is a, a populous movement. that's all cross country. i'm in the world that, you know, just that it's going to be a reset, but it, who is gonna define it and control it. and we have the people that benefited the most that are doing it right now, but i don't think the odds are very good for them. okay. because they're, they've only served their own interest here at the expense of everyone else. that's why i said in my introduction, what about the rest of us? because a lot of people are being left behind here. there's going to be a reset. it depends on who's gonna make make that possible. and i'm, i'm not putting my, my odds on the powers that be right now. go ahead in bristol, i mean either, i mean, your last speaker actually gave

a really nice description of monopoly capitalism. that's how that system this system works. you know, for me, these buzzwords and they are, it's a, it's a p r campaign. great reset. build back better green new deal. and these are marketing slogans for what actually to justify another huge dip move of public money into the hands of monopoly capital. they're claiming to be addressing the concerns that of people make it. it's like a recognition of the anger of the masses, right? a recognition of the anger against inequality, inequality between classes, inequality between countries. this, sucking up of all of the world's wealth into the hands of a tiny monopolist elite. people are angry about that. and so there's a kind of recognition in the buzzwords that people are angry or they say things like, we were gonna build in resilience. we're going to make things more equitable, more sustainable. what they actually want to do is persuade us to let them

spend a huge amount again, of public money on propping up big capital. this time they'll call it in the, in the i'm of being green, right? they want to persuade us to throw away things and buy new things, and this is green. they want to persuade us that we should give huge amount, billions in contracts and companies who claim to be delivering green things for us . you know, climate neutral, carbon neutral addressing climate change, whatever they'll, they'll put it under all these banners. but what it means is a whole load, more of public money is going to be going on. so josie, so we're here when you're up, what you're saying is like the, the new green deal is that all the green goes to a small group of people. is that what you're saying? i'm saying that there could be a justification, a justification. yeah, absolutely. i want to get i want to get tony in here. go ahead. jump in, tony. you were you. i won't lose my joke. i hope you liked elaborate. go ahead. yeah. well again, i agree with my colleagues and i was going to, i think job my,

my, my little separate plug, which is about the green issue that none of us noticed have been talking about the climate crisis or anything. and i know the guardian and some other newspapers actually change their wording to make it a climate emergency climate crisis. and instead of simply climate change, like you see in the state and, and yet no one really is talking about that because i, i'm not sure that that really affects people when they're trying to put food on the table when they're, they're working when they're getting a job and so you know, i'm not trying to belittle people to care more, more or less about the environment. but if we talk about the great reset, we're talking about the impetus for this and for the world. economic for meeting was, was offensively about climate change. and about this climate emergency. so they are prescribing that post code, but we should somehow be thinking about how we can we can make more equitable outcomes, but also preserve the environment. and i still can't wrap my head around how those

2 things seem to fit together. and i think now that we are at least post 1st wave of cove it or 2nd wave of coven. i think it's even harder to wrap my head around it . i don't, i don't see how the great reset has anything to do with, with global warming. ok, well we'll get into it. we'll talk about in the 2nd half of the program. but one of the things that i would propose is that we just delete the word equity forever. i'm sick and tired of hearing it. ok it's, it's just, it's just a cover. i mean, it doesn't mean anything. ok it's, it's a cover. you did to force people to do what they're told to do, or i'm going to jump in here. i think we're going to go to a short break and that's about your break. we'll continue our discussion on the great reset. stay with the ah, while our officers are facing it increasingly dangerous environments, we are seeing a growing debate about so called warrior cops

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him and you were discussing the great reset. ah, okay, it's got back to jeffrey and another one of my pet peeves. and all of this here is that the same people, they created the mask of 2008, mismanage the locked downs, bailed out big business again, monopolies as jobs. he's pointed out, and now they the bumper sticker to say, give us another shot to do it. i mean, why in the world would anyone believe in that? i think fewer and few people actually do ok. they had, we, we have were ruled by incompetent greedy people with a very short sighted, a lot of a short sightedness. the horizon is right at their nose. the rest of us have to live differently. go ahead jeffrey. are the ruling class definitely on play their hand during lock downs or exposing to the world? you know what's really going on the new york times every day. i would say, if there's a lot of cases in your neighborhood,

you need to stay home and have your food delivered. most very interesting statement . they didn't say there's a lot of cases in your neighborhood, go deliver food, right? so, right? because because the paper is designed for a particular class interest, that's it. you know, that the people can don't have to engage in the physical world. don't have to actually like work with anthem encounter the physical world rather just wanna live in their resume life. and they wanted to reconstruct the whole world operation of the global economy for their own benefit. and that is so incredibly obvious right now and the loss of trust. and i'm very concerned about this. i don't think of anything i wanna submit the loss of trust and ill leafs in expertise in the law and the courts are big business, you know, is immense in each other. and we have a huge amount of rebuilding to take place and is not gonna be guided by the people

who created all this wreckage in which we're with or under which we're living right now. so i don't know, and i forget meant loss of trust and politics, you know, which has just become a joke, you know, in the u. s. and, and around the world. so we have an enormous job to do in the coming years to rediscover basic principles of civilized living and, and fair market functioning and normal freedoms we've taken for granted for literally hundreds of years. well, jet, i white out geoffrey, i hope you're not holding your breath. i really hope you're not holding your breath . you know, after every great crisis in civilization, civil war broke the water. sh. something dramatic happens. i agree. i agree that i don't no guns, no it is. it worries me because it could. i think it could go either way. it is i think so that's why i keep saying there's going to be a reset. it is that what they're expecting?

just the, one of the things you know in and, you know, you and i've known each other for a while here. and, you know, everyone knows my politics. everyone knows your politics are, but you know, the thing that's missing in this conversation, this propaganda message. we get on both sides of the atlantic is you know, the issue of class is almost never mentioned and that is intentional. go ahead and bristol, thanks peter. you know, well, your last guess was talking. i just wrote down the word class in big letters a box around it. you know, you were saying there's no push back, you know, and you're right, there is no push. these people can get away with it endlessly. because the ruling class for the last 40 years has been waging war on the working class. and they've been winning. and particularly in the us and britain where the, the ruling class in periods have been particularly strong. and on the offensive though, they've been, the working class has been in a period of war, i call defeat and retreat. and i think we're coming to the bottom of that. now things are starting to turn around again. and you know, the crisis and,

and the situation that workers find themselves in is changing that. but for their to be pushed back, i'm going to say something which is going to be popular with the rest of, of your a panel, i'm sure. but the working class needs to be organized, we knew were ended and been working close organization. the loss of trust, i think is a good thing. we shouldn't trust in people who are our enemies. the fact is, there are 2 great classes in society and the interests are diametrically opposed. you know, what happens to profit when wages go up, profits go down. what happens when profits go up? we've seen a wages go down. so we have to understand that that is the way that the capitalist system works, that it doesn't and cannot deliver for the mass of the people, we have to regain our concept of class. if we're going to push back even a little bit, we're have to do it by force of numbers. there is no other way for these people who have currently all of the power and no pushback. there's no other way to,

to stop them from just carrying on looting our treasurer is and dis, boiling our planet. yes and destroying the future of all of us or, you know tony, the, you know, i, i like ecology. i say plant trees, you know, don't let her i'm, i'm a big green guy in kind of been maybe like a 19 seventies fashion. okay. like earth day. yeah. that, that's my kind of a new green deal. but what bothers me again, this bumper sticker is that this is a continuation of dealing with the 2008 financial meltdown which the ruling class got concierge service. then we go into the pen demik, we go into an economic crisis. again, we see the same kind of bail out here, and now i see the green new deal. and again, i am not against the college, but what they do, they're getting us attuned to a crisis environment. everything is a crisis. that's why you have no rights. that's why you can't do anything. all you have to do is obey because it's a crisis, everything's a crisis and this is what they're trying to paralyze us and accepting less what we

don't deserve less. go ahead, tony. yeah, i would also, i would agree with that better. and i would also say that what i don't see is, again, this connection between these green investments and helping the people that need help the most natural, you know, the guys that are manufacturing solar panels or coming up with these latest screen technologies are probably not your poorest people on the street, and they're probably also not hiring a lot of the unskilled labor. and if you go globally, you're not hiring people that are in that are below the poverty line in the manufacturer, in the development, in the process of providing those green technologies. i'm not, i'm not aware of tesla hiring large amounts of, of low wage workers and some of those wages because they've made record profits despite having a product that struggles. and so, so what i don't really see is how this green connects with, with that assistance. what i would say i would want to comment it and job the statement. i agreed to a certain extent, that labor workers,

they need to be perhaps more aware. i don't know about organized but i, i come from a small, still town in ohio and i, i saw that still town destroyed by organized labor. but again, it's, it's about leadership. so the same problem that we're, we're all agreeing in agreement with, which is having people at the top who want to call the shots. and really they shouldn't be the ones calling the shots. they shouldn't be there controlling everyone else. that's the same problem that happened with organized labor in my own town. if you get people that are the blind lead, the blind and both fall into ditch so. so i think, you know, i believe that it's, it's very important for us to recognise and for the world to recognize that a lot of these talk about the great reset is really, in my opinion, a way of kind of trying to take to extreme sides of the argument, take me, those people that what a complete lazy for economy, those people who would like maybe a marxist sort of or socialist type of economy and try to, to divert their attention by talking about something that really is with daugherty

and really something where they they believe they're in the position to lead and tell everyone, you know, how should we share everything? i think that's, that's an interesting description, but the end, the way, you know, you look at the, the extremes there. but it seems to me that that's what the p r campaign to maintain neoliberalism. you know you'd be afraid of those guys being rated those guys. let's keep on the course that works for a smaller in smaller group of people. jeffrey, what give me about give us some hope, jeffery, where what, where do we go? well, if i play in my lifetime i've, i've, i've, i've experienced most cities, probably artificial divisions been the right and the left. and, you know, these ideological category as we throw around the term social capital one such, but what we're dealing with right now is something that's unfounded, mentally unconscionable. like when you watch the hunger games, you know that what's going on is wrong, right? so, and it's supposed to be fiction,

but this seems like the world that are creating, ever more segregated, you know, ever more with, with the, with the top, i call it then i call it the new surface in. that's what i call it, keep go and yeah. so, yeah. so other words, i think what, what we need is a, just an, a generalized emancipation as movement. you know, and i think that that is growing, you know, at the browser and to which i only started a few months ago. i've gotten like 3000000 visitors to, to our, to our webpage. just looking for an alternative point of view. and i'm, i'm dealing with read an influx of submissions from, from, from dissident intellectuals, basically all over the world who are just, just fed up with what we've seen over the last 20 months. that includes like scientists. so i think, you know, what's been happening, the last name of the tiny elite has been presuming the right to rule over everybody else as if it's their destiny by virtue of their wealth or i don't know whether it

is a but, but that system is unconscionable. and, and it will not last, the good thing is i think people are aware of it. now, as i said earlier, i think they overplayed their hand and, and now we see the, the wreckage all around us and europe. you have to go far in this country, decided to go down to a local local up market. you know, a family on business or just any merchant who's trying to get through it gets arrive in our times. you're not going to get an earful. i got it. i mean, let me, let me give me give chelsea the last word here about about 40 seconds shall go ahead be a prognosis what needs to be done. 40 seconds solve the world's problems. you know, the only hope for the future, peter is planning is a plan socialist economy. we have everything that we need. we have the technology, we have the ability, we can feed people, we can close them, we can house them, we can educate them, we can take care of their health and their education and give them a decent culture and a decent life. if we get rid of the profit motive and plan what we produce to meet

the needs of the people. well, i think, you know, they were ending up on a note where we could have have and, and a whole series of programs here. this is what i thought was going to happen, which is fine because i like debate and i love difference on this program here. i don't think the other guests would disagree with you, and that's why i'm going to invite all 3 of you back to continue the conversation. and i mean that, ok, but all as all the time we have right now. many thanks them, i guess in austin a bristle and here in moscow. and thanks so our viewers for watching us here at ortiz see you next time. and remember crosstalk rules. ah, it states it has to be rich to be able to afford any time in front of the luxury good for sure. despite having the most expensive health care system in the world,

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