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more democracy, so it's extremely important. maybe the mission down tv station will have to find something on the internet if the internet is going to find something else, it will be thought these times are extremely tough. now, i don't know if they will get better, but we have to continue the fight for free speech. everybody is entitled to free speech or democracies. it's based on that. isn't that what we're taught, isn't that what's written in, in our constitution, we've got to fight for the right for to free speech. and i mean, we have access to all the media and that the people choose what is right and runs wrong. one of the headlines for this, our join us in 30 minutes for the latest updates on all top stories, including of course, the difficult situation on the grounds in ukraine. we are working hard to verify all sides of the story. information we are getting in to bring you the full picture join us again. ah, ah
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ah, with the money out here across the entire russian capital, this is audrey international with i'm after it's answer,
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we're going underground on ukraine's day of resistance to occupation of the autonomous republic of crimea in the city of so vast of all this at the end of a week in which british politicians have been seemingly attempting to interfere with the independent regulation of broadcasting by calling on you k p. m. bars. johnson. to shut down this channel effectively ending press freedom in the u. k. johnson, a former journalist himself claims the doing what the british labor policy want him to do, would amount to be being as bad as russia, with nato nations and the u condemning. russian president vladimir putin for authorizing what russia calls a special military operation against ukraine. after antony blinking, cancelled his meeting with russian foreign minister, counterpart, sergey leverage of nature. nature. media is talking about the whole new era and geo politics. let alone nuclear weapon you here are naughty and had going on the ground . we seek the question more, as well as provide view. as with all sides of any debate, we have been reaching out to pro ukrainians to hear their side of the ukraine invasion regina in the current climate. many do not want to come on to talk to us.
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we like therefore, to extend an invite to any ukranian journalists or politicians watching now to come on the show and give your side of the story. but joining me now for moscow is natalia nourish at sky, the former vice chairman of international affairs committee in the russian duma. thanks so much italy of her coming on. not sure how much a british media you're watching. i know you're appearing on on it sometimes. as you might know, ne donation media has been broadcasting. views that vladimir putin has gone mad and burst. johnson has called on the russian people to overthrow what he says is a dictator. it well as the language of course. so for co, modern or western elite leaves much to be, you know, desired were because even in the 19th century, the notes are to declare was sure began was mad show more gentlemen
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molly, or vocabulary or well, i believe that i met people have expected after the dismemberment of with the soviet union that such huge jr politic entity as was the historical russian state which grew in centuries and came to actually broom with alter ward in centers, would just be drafted as a 15 or new states and everything could be stable, et cetera. so this a few trial and obsolete paradigm all for democracy versus it'll tell italian hood for them. i explained everything. but what about on my poor ukraine? why poor? because the grace of my ancestors lie,
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it shall niga of region and my grand to what father was before revolution, director of a college in chattanooga and my grand grandfather was a priest orthodox priest in saint michael church in chin nico region. so you understand how, how painful it is all for me. but ukraine was composed of a very different and even conflicting huge a population and parts or that's history and vladimir putin in his address or to the nation, explained it or. busy not to say that she's not recognized as said that just to explain why it it, it had to explode because galli share hadn't shared the destiny. was also looks ukraine for 500 years because it was under poland 1st or in
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14th century. then under austro hungarians and then it again as polish territory between 2 and world wars, et cetera. it hates russians. god then must collides for them. we moscow late and i am all some mixture of barbarian mon walls. we said, ah, ah. busy exceptions at while is the ukrainians there, arians, you know, and we have stolen the key of history and byzantine heritage. so and we are so huge and we have multiplied and reached sleet. oh sions. so i and z. these people from gully shit could have become what now russia ease. but for all that history, since 1945, the united nations was set up. and the un secretary general and donor gutierrez
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said that recognizing donates andrew hands. the unilateral measures conflicted directly with the principles of the charter of the united nations and that in for if also said a name checked the international court of justice. i don't know whether for a broad circulation of letting me bruton, if the un secretary general, who presumably has some of the history books there. if, if antonio gutierrez says this speaking for the un, then garage exaggeration is committed a crime? or by the way, international law also justice goes into a new one. it just gives legal assessment of a deed or over an, an issue where when the west bombed sober in
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yugoslavia signatory to the o. c. air documents and found father founding father of the united states. the states under the retakes that there were genocide against fell by means . it was not an aggression. according to the western interpretation, it was a humanitarian mission. wise. the west ignores the 80 years going civil war that keep started against the nest and la ganske people who have been shelved for 8 years and civilians that thousands of them were killed in my house. now in moscow lives now a woman from logan's courage and whose house is think without windows yet, you know, and she is crying every day, et cetera. why is it?
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and in the recent, these preceding the act to her, of our president, the shelling exceeded any scale since their fights over the last airport. and there was real threat to the lives of people and you know, and things as you know, in the later nation media, all we hear about our people from their attacking ukraine. but you mentioned yugoslavia on this program we talk time and time again of alleged violations of the you and charles her by nato members. you mentioned yugoslavia there are, which is often alleged 2 wrongs make a right russia now acting like like the united states. russia. whoa, as far as co course or what is concerned, there was no referendum at all. and the west recognized course of a contrary to all the rules on to regulations of the laborers run. no, no, let me,
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let me, let me just say another thing. this is only one as of what has happened already. another aspect is that the west was not sparing any effort to shrink. oh, the russian zone of our security. and with every step in this shrinking will were accused more and more of allegedly, being so aggressive had said so we had to pay and to pay for our losses. this drink was compressed to the limit and mister putin and our government are warned in december. and they openly, ah, you know, declared the prince boz, which walt our satisfy russia, exactly in terms of its legitimate security. just imagine if mexico
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is declining, jerry ha, america in government, and rational, stout, supplying it with soviet union stars supplying it with arms with grosbeaks to from mexico to enters the warsaw pact. oh, do you think? what is united states do in this case, when all, what great did during the caribbean crisis, when cru shelf installed some rockets while next reaching the american territory. and we were on the green, also nuclear war that we were waste enough, you know, to step back. so this link is considered a compressed as an image, it can only and, and clench, and that if we have to pay, that's my own opinion. you know, i'm not an as that erst estate function. i am just an expert. and besides for my carstairs, member of parliament for 1st of all, i am a historian and from the family. renowned historians has studied international
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relations from ha, still 20th century. ok, whether it's will arguably a jelly the we have to re, if we're b let's it's better to bake for games and not for losses. while arguably the united states, sir had to fill them in japan with the mexican revolution in a very different way. and obviously did occupy territory, but then why did vladimir putin say he wasn't going to invade and war were all the russian drills, military drills that occurred in belarus and in russia beforehand, while russian or even the foreign minister. so gay lover of all assuring every one there would be no invasion. was it just that particular nights shelling by ukraine, that is alleged that cause this invasion or had this been a plan for months and even years?
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russia was believing and understanding and seeing that obviously on the west to have a pretext not to i'm in the united states of course and maybe also britain because europe is now has no voice. it needed so much intensive ideas. concepts we had sent here. so, oh, it's a real gang this i've been to london. according to osler, spangler asked me to have a pretext, not to answer russia's demands in regard to security. in their situation. certainly spawn served the aggravation of situation against a region which you grant performed,
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especially to pro though crash. it was clear. so if you want this, now you have it because we had left no either wait out or wait with con to leave our people who beg, rush and where are you, you know, are without health. so just because just because you provoke doesn't mean you need to respond to provocation, and you mentioned wrangler. i'd, i think hardly the person or the flow is pulled on their degredation of you earlier. i'm not sure. and i think that's a good one to, to mention at this stage and the value narrative sky. i'll stop you there more from the former vice chairman of international affairs committee in the russian to after the spring. ah, ah, it's been 30 years as the soviet union collapsed. um miss couple other little chill
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on the on to what the bomb yet nuclear, you know, so, so shown where you're swore trust someone foil or thumb. ukraine was one of the independent states that emerged from the ruins of a super bowl. i'm doing awesome. would you also get on google greens? come a little, i'm surely confusion from us. they act and less new lucian west, intermediate better. one more law, a surface petition offering and finishing it out the ship. a for apple watch at the pine street decades green light for ukraine. eye witnesses were cool, the events. this will be more or less of judiciary with poodle. what i knew tonight, that order. i'm not sure, but i did that for months with no idea what else and what other forces were at play, the producer whom you show in shin machine the same you put in the kid woodridge americans who when use the shows up in the moser version, jordan nice, take
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a look at ukraine, 30 years out, the gaining independence door gear for theater. farmers from last year in yet, i guarantee retorted mostly will waive a will. it could be issue okay, of lush williston holding around a welcome back. i'm still here with natalia nurture sky, the former vice chairman of the international has committee in the russian duma. the pro moscow line seems to be talking about as of battalions and neo nazis. what do you think about president zalinski saying you are told we are nazis, but can people support nazis that gave more than 8000000 lives who the victory oven autism? how can i be in nazi? tell my grandpa, who went through the whole war in the infantry of the soviet army and died as a colonel in independence ukraine. that's what sir lensky says. oh, well, i,
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i read. i read this address of the landscape. it's it teaches that he never said it 5 years ago went noisiest portraits were carried to long and seats of keys with torches and glorifying the hitler. we're henchmen. there are screenings with countries here in the media, nato nation countries, and her and busier formation picture in europe is totally different from ours. that's why we do not understand each other. you know, because the, even to glue they are glorifying or been there are that may be the cases where as you see it, they deny that. and in fact, they continuously. and boris johnson in his statement comparing the invasion
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to sedate and land implicitly, referencing hitler, and we hear the ukrainians continually comparing vladimir putin to hitler. what do you think the russian people, russian politicians, russian leads, and the ordinary russians think when they are being compared to hitler and the nazis routinely now in the united states and in western europe? of course, well, no. this illusion about the west, but you know, the west has all, were dosed it, sir. you know, nick jewelers and tours russian some 20 years ago. russians were sensitive to what was said about russia and its leadership in the west. now they couldn't care less anymore because they don't trust the worst. they see that no matter how we
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behave, we are barbaric, you know, blag zigzag of world history for them. and they are, they can not stand that we are still so wiring and especially they are so hysterical. i'm in the worst that russia are, which all its programs and the corner me in, not them enough for, you know, income per, per capita still is zoom only. nation the only people and they only do the ship whose national state will is equal to cumulative. who will of the whole west, and that happens again when hitler conquered the whole europe, because they were afraid of collateral damage because they couldn't risk as they are comfortable life. and it was only a rush in the form of soviet union, which declared better grieve than sleeve. and to chris in
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a glove, and now it repeats the west now in sort of organized and munich, a munich court again, 22, or he and all what they can use. thankfully we have enough arms so that they never, there are against russia. but after each munich, there is new bag. russian. people are now support very much, you know, how much of all protest i sent them. and so russian, there are a lot of pro to sentiments on in russia. i'm enduring goals is years and no, no, it's not very calm, you know, society, but 90 percent of all these protests are, are not liberal, but they blame the government. the leadership that it's indecisive and did,
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doesn't answer the way it should, you know, how much put in russia really ground if you, if you is that he is greater to a russian or people in the ukraine, that he doesn't defend them, et cetera. now they said, oh, or, or finally trying their lives. that's real answer to all these are to ross if this again and finally, after 8 years of this war. but the, the u. k. daily mail, which i think is involved in a court gaze with for prince harry actually hearing britain, they report that 150 senior russian officials of signed an open letter calling the invasion, an unprecedented atrocity. how stable is the russian federation? now the decision has been taken to invade you mentioned how many single 150 senior russian officials probably they're
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working in the banks and their children. study in london, oxford or hanging. he art sir. a canary is et cetera. and to teach to people who we are millions who support and think differently. so you claim that the russian peebles aboard vladimir putin in the russian dumas decision, even though the un secretary general served the principles of the un charter and norton ala carte menu. oh, very elegant, very aga elegant sir, and you're phrasing, but it has nothing to do with reality. there's nothing to do well, i swear and i feel that it was not a rush as choice to lead the situation to such a scale that she had to interfere. and i'm sure if you green is more
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sober. if the united states talk or sponsoring can't, endorsing all are also for being action, search in from key of source key for with regard to people ordones continental ganske. this san operation would like surgical operation would end when are their lives in your were see cute and nina and her nothing more. nobody has a desire to occupy ukraine. we've had a surgical strikes and the language being used by the russian side is like the language nato used in the rog, libya, syria in afghanistan, arguably. again, gutierrez said they are not peacekeepers at all. how can they be peacekeepers if civilians ukrainian civilians are dying? ukrainian civilians are not dying or reports of civilians dead. and
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how can any one trust what comes out of the kremlin given they said they were just drills over the past few weeks that he wouldn't invade that. he wasn't going to threaten key f. o, you say that you are not trusting call, you again says not trusting and thank to not independent source of news. so what comes from our country, but so are your so soon reliable after colon towel, you know, showed, or corn starch in glass saying that they says explosives in iraq? yes, but, but even her all sources are saying that this happened that an invasion has happened. but is moscow doing what moscow has been accusing washington, they're doing all through the so called cold war?
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well, i, moscow is becoming washington only inland respect that it clearly declares of its national interest and will never used such sure, you know, faker, et cetera. and moscow was all planning. when in december, it sent to soon as it states and nato, it's concerns. it's a list of concerns. no. which points which are of crucial importance for. and we're waiting for 2 months. so the same if keith would be sober and decided to relax the situation. now i think would have happened like what is happening to day, you know, and now like washington cord, lead to yogi or jury in english. and normally it's jojo,
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what it is entitled to jupiter is not entitled to their boot. it's oh, we're allman layton. cro virg, i know it said only eric monroe was there. room was an empire too. i've got to ask you, do you think diplomacy and obviously washington denies any wrongdoing in all its foreign operations since 1945 perhaps willoughby diplomacy. now to end the current violence, i think oh, diplomacy is always needed until it be erroneous to say or when our bombs sound exploding, that diplomacy is closed? no, no, i am sure. and to i, i would love to hear that there are some diplomatic steps to, to discuss what is happening and what is a good position and shooting of each of the parties concerned. lansky says, diplomacy is over. he found vladimir putin,
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the result was silence. well, president zalinski ha. oh god with him. he is not doing some church in it. but why? why did vladimir berlin not speak to president zalinski before the invasion began? because zalinski declares that russia, is it more country aggressor long before you know, many years ago in the continues to say so. yeah. well, are they buy a lot of coal from marcella of schwartz in oil gas. so. busy for, you know, salmon to concrete, it's ok because there are no construction materials for lack, always in nash unit step, kind to ukraine, et cetera. you know,
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go to our num on to for 3 to who is ukraine is enormous. you know, is enormous. ukraine could flourish between russia and the west, when i say, with nearly new cows milking to girls, you know, because each party, i mean, rush and the westwood new know, earning a pamper ukraine to gain more attention and ukraine could, could flourish. but no, no, the, no, galle shannon irving and been there a man who could not be satisfied with and a vague are imposed and the communist nomenklatura are 2. 19 the power to rit immediately took the banners of gulshan philosophy. you know, and then it's like a snowball. you're only our aggravated, and i will always say neighbor,
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countries on nato countries deny any wrong doing. they say the blame squarely with russia and her so does her so. so does it come from key of natalia and narrative? sire, thank you so much. that's over the show. will be back on monday. what would it be in the $76.00 birthday? one of tony blair's foreign secretary robyn cook, who, infamously resigned his position in parliament to protest the iraq, or which would kill name or displace tens of millions until then keep in touch wireless social media that has no of your a ukrainian who would like to come on this show to give us your side of the green invasion. ah, join me every thursday on the alex salmon show and i will be speaking to get us on the world of politics, sport business, i'm sure business. i'll see you then. mm.
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ah . moscow claims ukraine is refusing to negotiate on the military operation will continue that says, an advisor to ukraine's president says keith is not satisfied with the conditions. russia is offering for peace negotiation. meanwhile, a source in russia's defense ministry rejects allegation, is the military. you hate a residential talbot can ukraine is capital with both sides blaming each other. meanwhile, artillery and gunfire is reported in the city. this kindergarten in one of our next districts is just one of the places that was shelled on saturday morning. correspondent reports from the dumbass conflict zone were a kindergarten has come under fire. fortunately.

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