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i'm action retention. you're watching going on the ground, the team, and i will be back soon with a brand new look as white nato nation in the you, censorship. but until then, we'll be showing some of your favorite shows a for season, so far. as nations around the world continued to react and punish russia over its invasion of ukraine in violation of the un charter. but if the un secretary general was convinced that moscow had violated international law, why? well, joe biden arguably watered down the condemnation of russia for so called chapter 6, violation seeking peace, did not just china and the u. e, with the world so called biggest democracy, india failed to support washington. joining me now as a marriage is professor of strategic studies at new delhi center policy research, rama celine. thank you so much for joining me for coming on. what have you made if putins violation of the you had charge and why have you said india will not be able to escape the largest or the larger strategic ramifications of the ukraine will.
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first, what's happening is a watershed moment in international relations. this marks the advent of a new law whose family occasions will extend to every corner of the world the russian invasion of ukraine and the sanction center reprisals of deal with its eyes are compounding the national crisis. because the politics was already quite lucky if the russian ambition but things have become tragic and all the time since the nation began. and the cutting prices have the making of a growing out and dangerous confrontation between russia and the west. but typically nato. and as we all know, the crisis is already affecting the global economy with high energy prices and supply chain disruptions said to fuel inflation and slowing nomic growth. and india cannot skip these medications. and of course,
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the larger issue is that the rest is snapping. its post war dies with moscow despite the risk of meeting strategic instability globally. in fact, the u. s. live response appeals in that affecting regime change in moscow eventually. so this is the critical moment, the national relations, and i think they have been miscalculations both by president gotten and also by the western block. well, i think nato countries would surely say, miscalculations would be made in delhi. why, when albania, in the united states, had the chapter 7 motion water down to chapter 6, did. did prime minister moody say he wouldn't support it? why did they not supported when there's a time of war? and certainly here the view is that any refusal to vote with washington
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and nato prolongs the misery of ordinary ukrainians. what would be achieved by condemning russia? condemning a country for the sake of condemning it doesn't want foreign policy interest yet never. and even in the past, condemn united states for meaning, iraq or libya or any other country. condemnation is strong part of indian diplomacy . in any case, russia and the united states are both close friends of india to walk into medic tightrope. that's to do a balancing act which were becoming, making me difficult given the fact that what we're seeing is that went up a nuclear wall that's going to seriously compound in this strict challenges. also
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effect it's close. defense stays with moscow. for example, given the financial tension said, the west as imposing in russia. how will india be with the weapons at bias from russia, just one or anything. it is also investing in russian oil and gas sector implants to invest in the russian far east. how will these plans, truck defy, given these mounting sanctions against russia? so for india, this is, the crisis really is complicating it's diplomacy. and also it's pursuit of long terms credited interest complicating it or speeding up the adoption by india of alternative methods of financing. as opposed to say the brussels based swift system and others. now,
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india can use new methods of financing, often disgusted bricks meetings, shang, i cooperation, organization meetings. no, no line move would meetings. so many trans national meetings that have occurred over the past. what 50 years? 70 since world war 2, you ascii, right? and i think by eliminating the subsystem weaponized being an energy pipeline. and by cutting rochelle off from western lead institution as the us is actually undermining those wedding institutions. because countries will be forced to truth alternatives are they went up alternatives. so russia example will have to trade in rebel and rupee as it did bring the solid times.
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so any guidance situation well have to be met with innovative methods. so i don't expect the russia and the relationship to snap because of the financial fractions, require a lot of work, both in utility and must go to maintain in relationship. that's why, for so many decades. in fact, as it has solidified, despite the profound changes in the world, in the past half a century, that relationship has been seen in new delhi as a relationship with a tried and tested trend. at the same time, in i says, has also become increasingly important to india. so how does india balance 2
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important relationships in a new cornwall? that's going to be a huge challenge for policy makers in new delhi. well, some would say it's very easy and your hesitancy is because as you know her, he well, because you see china is a big adversary, that it may necessitate closer ties between your foe. he across the valley between pakistan and india, and china. and that's why you're hesitant about this closer relationship with russia without the u. s. and nato countries involved because it will necessitate closer relationships with china. that's your problem. and surely add to the blink and the former west exec consultant who's now secretary of state that alone jake sullivan. realize full well that there are dangers of moving russia closer to currencies other than the dollar. and his thought on par made the calculation banner from the dollar. well, you brought in china,
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which is so important. look at the international crisis that was created even before fortran launched the invasion of ukraine. yet harmony leave them in the world. know that for the past 22 months, india has faced it. chinese aggression, exaninth aggression and roaming up to 200000 jennings groups. that invasion or whatever you call it, began in april 2020. when try these forces furtively encroach on several key border areas in the northern was indian region of the dock . since then the military build ups have only escalated creating the danger of a full scale wall. well, we, we invite the chinese ambassador to the un united nation, but basically, what,
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so your point and the point of many in the leads in india is they don't want us to abandon its relationship with russia because they went to russia alongside them in their attack. on china and india had fairly similar views on stability in asia or, or you ratio. and that bilateral relationship has stood the test of time chinese kelly, an important factor in this relationship, even in this present military crisis based with the russians have been so, so help for india, especially in helping get to fortify its defenses. so that really underscores the importance of russia for india. i don't think i can afford to see
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that relationship degrade in any manner, but i wrote it clea, the pakistani prime minister iran guy was in moscow at the time that we put in was gayly planning, sending the troops into ukraine. brazil is not being that supportive of nato countries and washington bricks never been stronger than that. now, given that brazil india and india is perceived. emily nuclear um, fellow enemy bogus, since they all seem to be against the nato and the u. s. line. well, but india isn't the unique position of having to nuclear armed adversary's china and focused on that i actually close alliance. so i have a student to drive in which means try 9 and pockets
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and given that stock reality. and given the fact that drake's increasingly has come under the chinese shadow, india has to be very cautious in relying on pricks as a institution. the bricks has value but fresh is currently not a credible alternative to other international institutions, but very much investment in bricks. because there are to exaggerate the importance of bricks. the fact is that a country like india, given this security predicament, has to deal with the realities that it faces. what, what is, what do you expect the u. s. in nato to do to india because of its lack of support,
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arguably for the civilians dying in the streets of ukraine. what has the american president spoken, even though word on the chinese potter ration against india has any less than the head of government supported india. in the current military crisis that in that conference, usually chinese diversion answer is no. so why should be out on the 11th? so if nothing from taking a position that could undermine its relationship with moscow. in the same time, india has done not seem to undercut it's important relationship, but with washington. and they are people in the state department who have set on set off the record to the media and the understanding the guy. lemme and the dot m
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i y, abstain from the in the security council. i don't, i don't see how the us auditor, i'm going to take revenge on india just because in the abstain from from a lot. you want to go to counsel, professor brown, the lady, i'll stop you there more from the national security specialist and america professor of strategic strategies at new daily's center for policy research after the break. ah. when i went to the wrong one, old job don't rule out the thing because the after an engagement equals the trail when so
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many find themselves, well, the part we choose to look for common ground in ah mm. welcome back. i'm still here with professor brown, much delaney, international security specialist, and america's professor of strategic studies, a new daily center for policy research. so india tax shine or over perceived un
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violations un resolution violations, but refuses to attack russia up to the secretary general of the united nations said it violated international law. well then, yeah, never attacked china over while any, any un resolutions? because curtis eyes, china for violating bilateral agreements, binding bilateral agreements, of course, when you violate, violated wiley, bilateral agreement to you while international law. because bilateral agreements are part and parcel of international law. yeah. not even un resolutions. and yet, with russia, you won't vote with international law or against moscow. well, if you look at the history of this century, you know, they have been so many multiple foreign military and nations of sovereign states
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in the century along the year, 2000 and began with the u. s. invasion of afghanistan then followed an invasion, which is monday by a un resolution. well, the us has become increasing marginalized and un stamp of approval, or anything mean human kind of a pro can come even ran a country flow to international law. for example, the us invasion of iraq and occupational the country using the protects, that there were weapons of mass destruction in iraq had the human stamp of approval . but that didn't make it legitimate. international law, s b c is powerful against the policy and policy a case,
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the powerful extra harsh reality might makes right is still very much intact. and really for century example, today, the western block talks about upholding the rules based order what, what the order is back. the fact is that those look at in order others make the routes for the world have been a trade in iving energy weapon being served is certainly not upholding enrolled space. well, one can mention syria canister on iraq, livia and so on. but then what the view of prime minister moody is 2 wrongs make a right therefore don't vote with the u. s. or the security council. no. as i mentioned, it never, never fits in adjustment on any countries, aggression,
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a case in the country has never condemned any military nation story and condemns back. is it condensed by august on the use of terrorism as an instrument of state policy against india, against his time, because in the rectum i've kind of use of terrorism. but certainly, india has demonstrated a moral judgment on the military actions of any bar that's never been part of indian diplomacy. do you think the united states force or what was going on as it pulled out of afghanistan after it's longest war and is defeat in afghanistan? that, that's why it was boring weapons in the ukraine ahead of what putin says was a provoke provocation. and what nato, in the u. n says,
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was his illegal invasion garner, sons defeated. he, relation, states was a watershed moment and currently but by doing the defensive and he tried to di what attention he made some important strategic miscalculations just the way gordon had made some sort of different calculations. a 1st miscalculation on the part of binding was that he could use the threat of sanctions to deter russia from in meeting ukraine. the problem is that the us true will use of sanctions as blanket instrument of sanctions by repeatedly slapping sanctions on russia. where the boss 8 years or so. so the object of preventing russia from
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a meeting ukraine and failed miserably. and that miscalculation was not to take warden's threat often an invasion seriously. by giving him the security assurances they demanded security funds that the us and they don't want to turn ukraine into a front line launched by the russia while by deploying offensive weapons on the inside almost 3 months or so. put a stop to, to guarantee it is wanting to ignored repeatedly and there was also a bottomless combination. ma'am, you, on the, on, on the part of putting in international relations. you can buy mounting a credible liquid credit achieve an object without the need to actually execute the tract. where do you put in long term military against ukraine will compel the us to
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abandon its policy of middle creek to russian borders. he woke up the world, the dangers of nato expansion ism com and it is even in the us began asking whether expanding nato russia borders. and thereby, prompted russia to re militarize was an american interest. in fact, as you know, the military build up on nuclear waters kept the us on the ropes with bite and wanting for dance on in the nation was coming is setting that threat, putting decided to execute the track even though controlling the outcome of the warm ones that launch is literally impossible. so i think he could have achieved more, a sustaining. that's right. this is sort of actually launching the nation. obviously,
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moscow appears to relieve their course of actions of the right ones. and risking all is, is the way forward in the united states thinks the united states thinks that there must be, even if it, perhaps risks nuclear war. the ability for ukraine to join nato. that's what the european union also firmly believes. so, i mean, the point here is the rights of ukraine to be able to join nato at all costs. few believe you in nato believe that ukraine should be admitted to me. it's too intimately wide and highly corrupt. there's functional state in the eyes of many in nato, and there was a chance of, of ukrainian emma being admitted to needle instead of instead of
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a 3 g rush chairs, security concerns. and the tim and thus concerns could have been addressed to a what the war after all, russia is not america as a lane lowell challenger, the main lower challenger is china, which is seeking to supplant the u. s. as the global headphone as anxious as the u . s has already said, sorry to drop there, but obviously the largest are 850000 soldiers in the russian army, but european union nations, including germany ascending in masses of weapons. now in to ukraine. do you think they think in washington of nato headquarters in brussels at the u parliament in brussels, in strasburg, that ukraine can beat the red army as they pour in these weapons? if not, why would they pour in the weapons? the strategy is very clear now that they persuade not only containment to a point or against russia,
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they also crank to enter their kindness on to point all against russia. that's the way they in, sneered russian inventing posts. and i've gone on in a ministry quagmire. in the 1980s, by launching the biggest covert operation in history. now, in addition to the high sanctions imposed on russia, they are looked in its least seeking to and, and trap russia. it has similar electric, like my in ukraine, by pouring huge with the sources by arming the resistance, the insurgency, they want to bleed russia. that's the strategy, or whether they succeeded or not. but the strategy is when, in fact,
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biden has asked congress for an additional $6400000000.00 per wide arms and other military it to korean versus whether they are on posters. the resistance was in 2nd. that's driving the amount of money that the buyer is willing to warranty. no grave. so is this certainly the figures being thrown around in the capitol hill when it comes to the budget then? so apart from all these countries in the global south using turning away from the dollar to get around the sanctions and so on. why do you think politicians in the russian duma, one to boot in to support the recognition of don't yet in the hands and pushed putin? who was he wanted it as well to act in this way. if you believe it,
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you appear to believe it's a catastrophic geopolitical mistake, let alone it's the legality under international law. well, recognizing that to trickery republics could, having seen as part of mounting, credible threat that could have posed the us and nato couldn't see what russia was asking back to actually launch an invasion. it was something completely different. the project was moment of to they could get worse without cautioning prudence on both sides. but why would such a mistake? is this strategy? but it's not very clear for us what the military objectives are in
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relation to ukraine. what do you think the chief, because, as you can see from the line to the tags, there are 3 lines of attack that russia has mounted in ukraine. it's starting to occupy the entire country. what are the military objectives? is they difficult to guess? he's certainly not keen to an extra whole of ukraine lease in terms of the military operation so far. but my bigger concern is this, as the history of this century alone illustrates, foreign military invasions have decent laced sovereign states. and as iraq, syria libya, yamuna, finest on demonstrate such invasion, supp triggered, i'm ending weiland, and bloodshed and russia invasion and the u. s. blind to armen ukrainians to bleed
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. russia threatened to turn ukraine into assyria on libya. this one have meet implications both for russian security as, as when a small europe and security that set for one of your favorite shows of this season, the team and i will be back soon with a brand new look. but until then, you can keep in touch viral on social media if it's available in your country. and remember, you can continue to watch all going on the right. in episodes on auto see latino come see very soon is peace at hand, russia, ukraine negotiations. the end, the conflict appear to be a real possibility. compromise seems to be prevailing. will this impact the west offensive against russia?
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with the leaders grow increasingly defiant and refusing to pay for gas in rubles by diet, gym, and full cost, the catastrophic effects of a cutoff in russian supply, including a decade long recession, russia and china agreed to move to what with what they call a new multi polar and democratic world order for the summit to the 2 countries on with the crew, get food and essential to desperate civilian from the southern ukrainian city of mario. i'm helped evacuate resident for humanitarian catastrophe bag road. we can take a look at some of the things that were bringing it, so water for chocolate. so for children and of course i have a huge.


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