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community ah, are you going the right way or are you being that somewhere? direct? what is true? what is great? in the world corrupted, you need to descend ah, to join us in the depths or remain in the shallows. ah, ah, ah. hello and welcome to cross stock where all things are considered on peter labelle. it has been reported. the c i. e. 's william burns offered russia 20 percent of
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ukrainian territory in exchange for ending the conflict. the kremlin, the white house and the cia all have rejected this reporting, all of which makes us think the opposite. some of the biden administration want to wrap up this. needless for an adventure, ah. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he's a podcast with a gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow we have to meet pre bobbitt. she is a political analyst and editor at, you know me, internet media project or gentleman cross stock rules. in fact, that means you can jump any time you want. and i would appreciate it. probably start out in budapest, george you. this reporting, i know you're aware of it here has been a lot of commentary on all sides involved with the exception of ukraine, which we'll talk about have denied this, which give some credence to me that some someone in the by the,
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the ministration is um, i'm applying some kind of trial balloon, not the chinese weather balloon, but a trial balloon. your thoughts as it doesn't mean anything? well, unfortunately, i don't think it does. i then to think that the biden administration is just step on the par and, and there's nothing that's really stopping it because the american foreign policy stablish man is step on the spot. so if we look at the latest issue of foreign affairs magazine published by the council of foreign relations, a, the big in house, mag of the foreign bond establishment. there's an article by michael book, full, the full, a us, a massive russia calling for total victory of russia. there's an article by garrick us bar i was, is that a victory to the day on conditional surrender? boots in an article by alexander denman saying the same thing,
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so they all bang using drug and we had bars johnson in washington this week. again, let's say we need to go victory. what about the prospect of nuclear war? 2 against bluffing and they, you know, and they are just repeating is so unfortunate they, for the, you like a stage this long as, as seen at the moment is a godson basically europe as being eliminated as any kind of a force in the world. nato is consolidated on the american leadership. the military industrial complex is coming very nicely because essentially european defense in the civil now just vanish. it will be replaced by american equipment and russia. they continually debilitating russia. and so i wish that there were some serious negotiations towards peace. unfortunately, i don't say the may your thoughts here because everything the george said can be perfectly valid. but at the same time,
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there could be some kind of sniffing around and seeing what the attitudes are. you know, how far the russians are going to go, or the even open to any kind of negotiations. and i want to stress, you know, ukraine as a player and all this was not mentioned. ok, so nothing about your grade without ukraine doesn't seem to be in place. but everything that george said could be possibly very valid, which i tend to agree with them. i just wonder why the story was loaded. he came from swift media, go ahead. it came from lloyd newspaper, in the midst of debate in switzerland, switzerland as the neutral country can. it's why. and the one on the great, you know, isn't it against? and they just, and most of the lawyer wants of the specialist in that one said, know if we're new to country and why do you great. then according to the all principal also support pressure. so basically,
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the question is, you will have such an open head what russia, except, i mean, just the last 3 weeks, 2 weeks we saw an avalanche or confessions. marco said, that means to be mintz over just to give you some all on sale. basically, the thing no worries, johnson also said it was the, i call it a diplomatic invitation. so i mean that if you know whom you want, shame on me. sorry, shame when you, for me, why, when me is russia except some kind of a compromise that comes from sound like birds. so you know, the other people basically were pretty much just granted that, you know, i mean the light so. so this is the big question. however, i think everyone understands and everyone expects the stable tragedy and with some
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current agreement. the problem is that the west is not paid. it was actually be, i mean look, this huge my boys, asian tanks. what, what were you were up? you know, they want to get reasonable, which tradition, brand of russia. they want to get them all the countries and bolt. and they all understand is danger. you know, basically we see the same kind of you know, the united states and make some random very well, was there such a wide doc in 2013, 2014, for example, russia 1st prize rear, when the europe positions are open, the open the children call them, i thought it was the case and look at their speech. look, even just rush your boss or the anyone that except a liberal form, a member, a job party, monday when you came in the last to be patient. so you basically did not have any
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worse. so rush wages major, and then you know, the grade me in, stuart stuck. so it is the same, but on the west volks, you know, russia tries not just then russia. yes. and then before they move to another stage or another level, and the west is starting base more than i'm provoked. escalation, russia, you have been able to rush before crimea for many years and dispatching the last 5 months or no. what's happened? you know, before the decision on every 22nd. 2000. sorry, probably 54022. remember there were 5 months only when she should and there were last all cations from ukraine. so it's all of us the same. yeah, george, it's interesting the the, the, this reporting from so it's media 20 percent,
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which is kind of curious because there are say it's, it's almost as if the west is believing its own propaganda. because if you think about what burns apparently allegedly was offering is to 20 percent of the size of the dumbass, the crimea wasn't mentioned at all as far as i understand. but ukraine kid did not have control over that 20 percent of the day before the conflict started. so, i mean, when people like burns, think that the russians are willing to accept chump change. after all, this is really baffling. if you can explain it, if they actually believe their own propaganda, low morale, no ammunition running out of missiles, you know, all this stuff which is never been proven. there's no empirical evidence to back it up. your thoughts? no, i think so. and i was skeptical. i think that if there were a serious often made to russia, i don't think the americans would use william burns do it. i mean, i think that,
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you know, why the director of the, i mean, i know you've been in the back of the before, but so director of the, i was also the person to, to send a message. i'm sure, i mean the fun things about how this might conclude it's good. actually we conclude the mirror, they keep saying, oh, at the end of the process they'll be some negotiation. but it may be that they'll be no negotiation at the end of the process. they will just simply be, you know, thus far, no farther. and essentially they'll be, you know, some sort of an arm. it's, this, russia takes whatever it takes, and there is a remnant of ukraine. that remains, but it will be totally on the american tutelage. it probably will be inducted into nato and then you have eventually frozen counseling, which can last study. if you think about a korea, you know, you had a frozen, don't think it's the last 70 years. i mean,
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sometimes they don't last but it may be because it's hard to see of the moment how they can be any kind of negotiations. fema is pointed out very well. that's how you know the russians and the food and the and betrayed time and time again. going all the way back to go, but job and james baker does not want to leave. this is going on. so why would the russia sit down to believe any promises at all made by the united states in particularly gamer, i mean, it's something that george and i am the gaggle of talked about animals on a daily basis. is that even the very idea of an armistice or c speier well that will this, you know, it does take time out to load up ukraine with more and more weapons was in natal being involved and that doesn't resolve and see the problem with the west in the way they, they try to understand or misunderstand russia's position is that it wants security guarantees in the european land mass. ok,
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that's never addressed by the west. ok. and, and that's what russia, this is the origins of it. you can talk about unprovoked all you want. who cares? but we have demands and you don't even deign to recognize that we have these demand steamer. well yeah, absolutely. right. and also remember the west mark, the west had all the opportunity just to make the frozen off for 8 years. i mean, point that there was an example of my daughter there was a day will be there other than just anxious to the rational troops, basically separate nice troops and and then for me, for 30 years, there was not a single person killed. you know, there is a sudden then sometimes you know, there are people on the 2 sides of that nice to re, we're body say radio rose. the problem with the dog was that it has never been
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since the 1040 and it was always an open. well, i mean, the western media did not report it. at least in detail. don't have been all, almost every week, sometimes more often seen in black and blockaded. no medicines, no pensions paid nothing. i mean, this is never reported in western media. they don't remind people that the means to be, you know, they kept rational because the means to be, i mean, read them in just re, of the pages of the goals that the best in russia. really, you know, that you're bringing over the last the last point, you know, when these be in the pages. and there were once about emily for people who participated in 2014 not fulfilled by your grades. there was that was about special
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status. well, the therapy is one of people's, the question marriage no reaction from grace, you know, walk a trip to believe that nothing. let me go to george before we go to the break here, a georgia and i am scarf that you know that the very thought it's returned to the mens process. that's essentially what this report is saying. go ahead. 30. yeah that's. that's exactly right. like the western bows is a yeah, yeah, this meant agreement that we never took seriously. never did anything to implement . yeah. that will be, that will be a good framework for a foreign agreement that the russians are going to take as an agreement, something that you have not the slightest intention of implementing last time. yeah, and, and obviously the level of trust is that 0 or a gentleman, i'm going to jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion limits. we'll need to stay with archy ah, ah,
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some nations may be on the turn, a blind eye to atrocities in other countries. the united states of america is different. wearable people long to be free. they will find a friend in the united states. ah, with a little bit about it involves anybody basie. so the city, if you draw the look at the, in savings of each cigna a few color revolutions is one among several means to reach the goal of conquering foreign lands and bringing them on to the helm. of u. s. western economic interest. people in sadie, i didn't that needed to go validate them on lexia learning core. so know that's
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a little bit of our america. the final goal of these seem revolutions is to ensure that there are no independent players in the world anymore. ah, with
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ah, ah, well, the max across that were all things are considered. i'm peter bell. this is the home addition to remind you were discussing some real news. ah, friends, go back to the me here in moscow deem of the again, one of the subjects in the, in that is not really touched upon because they're all kind of focused on rushes, losing ukraine is winning. zalinski is a new churchill and all of this, which is this lot of nonsense. it's a lot of white air because it doesn't really tell us anything about what's most important. and what is most important is when this military conflict comes to an end,
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which it will come to an end. i personally think russia will unilaterally determine that, but that's something down the road. but what about the, the post conflict environment here? because we have it, we were told that europe in nato are very much united, but they're very much not ok. we have the french and the germans talking about security guarantees. the eastern european saying rush is a war criminal. there's no need to talk to them. i mean, because and all, while ukraine is really kind of low on the totem pole, the board is here. ok. it's really about the relationship that rush will have in european security structures, if it all. and if it does now, that will make sure that will determine that europe is a very unstable place for a long time. because you'll definitely have elements in ukraine, whatever size or shape and form it is, will be looking for revenge and a undoing of the settlement. that russia, in my opinion, will unilaterally impose this is one of the things that needs to be talked about, the more well will be russia, just launch remain the euro diction,
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if you want engender. i mean, the last week we have to awful, awful articles. one was in europe by honest, you know, the full line for me to still fall on who is now a member of the bottom. and she basically rolled the saudis brush, want me to brush, which is russia, they're all the same is the same from fi. we just banged on the expression in that which needs to be basically destroyed, not physically and educate. she rides, there should be no such thing as russian world should be top or, well, mark, your oil, oil that focuses. so, i mean, how can russia remains in the, in the framework? you know, john european jurisdiction graduated, you know, and the program, you know what it was damn, rush doing with our oil. that's good stuff to me. exactly. exactly,
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and this is more, this is not you know, an exception. this is the mainstream on the north east of europe. and now we're told that that the center piece, you know, the central european union is moving now it's full and the bullet, you know, if you're in europe was playing the words that's ideologically ok. it and no, no other sense. ok, or it's chose the relative weakness of the most western part of the continent, which is really kind of pathetic, but probably expected. george, you know, russia expansion is russia. i mean, in, in the last 3 years, it only makes that has been expanding, not russia, whether you learn later, the defensive alliance, i mean, everything like very defensive. as i said, that's right. there was a problem with the euro, and i say is that it has very weak leadership at the moment what you would need
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somebody in the west. so could just take the situation by the scruff of the neck, so to speak, and just bring it to an end. you know, you need somebody was just going to say this policy is not. we have to bring this to an end. it makes no sense. it's not advancing, are interested just leading to the but there's no one around, you know, we have, you know, sergeant schultz and the german chancellor who's constantly just the saying no, i don't want to do that. and then you know, 10 minutes late mind. so now we're not, we're not sending any fight the jets. we are drawing the line, you know, like the jack. so that means you know, yeah, like the just going to be going all the way macro as well. we must impose a piece on, on russia. that's humiliated, but in the meantime, i'm going to go on sending by the jets or whatever. and apparently apparently george, one of the reasons why the chrome still is in contact with because he's doing a personal vapor lens bridges. we will not talk to this, but then he kind of,
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you know, meekly called mcdonalds that can you give him a call for me? i mean, this is how is the lack of leaders and this is the kind of leadership we have in europe. ok. we have a pan handler and kid have calling the shots, telling the president of france the call the russian president. it's extraordinary . right? but that's the thing. because you've got these very weak leaders. there is this great danger that we could drift to avail, actual war between nato and the united states and russia. if you had a strongly the strongly to what have just simply brought this to an end. but because of the back of leadership is just those are the gradual drift to the point where i think it's very fast to see how it can be avoided because there's nobody in the west and trunk, you know, best, who won't be in power for another couple of years, but that's a best listen there's, nobody was just saying this has to stop. you know,
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we have to just work out some sort of agreement and big, which is in our there's no and i said something you can to eisenhower telling the british and french to knock it off and see what not. yeah, no, that's it. the kid dema, you know, you know, ever since the conflicts started back in february of last year. so it's almost a year now. i've been, i've done almost every single program on the topic. and it's been talking about russia. but can you tell our audience, what is the thought, i mean, i don't know, but the average russians actually articulated. most people don't think about politics, we're kind of fanatics. we think about it all the time. but no rush is 300 year dance. you will, with the west is coming to an end, and this time is quite definitive, i think. okay, because at the end of the 2nd world war, the famous phrase,
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the iron curtain is going up all across europe. but it's the, it's the west. it's created the iron curtain. now how does that, how does that do you think impact russians think about the future of their country? thema, well, what do you lose cold? well, that was, this is human nature. and in fact, the situation present period almost almost everything. so people are not too pessimistic, they think that this is just their temporary problem. you know that there is just another free, the normal g as in golf works and the here i was gorge even call. if he comes to the ball, will you be able to change the band? i mean, we saw how he was incapacity. he was formerly the president of the united states, where she was not all the american troops out of syria. you know, because the defense against you would not change the immigration rules because they
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found some walk, you know, district court which incapacitated. so unfortunately, it's something more serious to change just the guy from the white house we see in the palace. well, basically the size of all across, you know, he did the san lanes, he just said the state sounds lanes. and if you know we have these dogs with russia, we child we brain and which will, did google some good reviews for security. he was immediate in go to guarantee for us to do this for their anathema. you know, most of the european stepped. yes. yeah. but you're the best the change, but i think we're good but we're in a very, very sad place. george. this is also kind of like thinking about the aftermath of 945 to outside power is russia, the united states determining the fate of europe. but the europeans,
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a lot of it this time. ok, was it because they didn't have the capacity. it's, you know, they have the e as a larger population, a larger g, d p, the united states, but it is acting in such a classic manner. ok, i mean, and i think 45 europe was bank which it was destroyed. but this is just a lack of leadership and foresight in a god. awful ideology. george. yes, that's right. i mean the, the europeans have been talking since the 1980s about how they're going to develop a european security and defense identity. and that would be. and then in the ninety's i talked to start talking about the european of foreign policy. and then when the yugoslav crisis i was the hour of your european leaders proclaimed. but it never happened. time went on and your of is become even more subordinate to the united states. then it was during the cold war, even during the cold war, you had a real european leaders to start off to washington like the goal,
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really bronze that hell, which meant there's nothing out. i mean, it's total subordination. when that doesn't seem to be any real need for it, i mean there's no security threat of the might have been during the cold war. it's they, they find this very convenient arrangement. and so now here they know european people know european politicians know that this is an absolute disaster, but your it will only home europe that the longer this goes on. but they are incapable of making any sort of the lead and standing oven and say in after, you know, to the united states that this is something that, you know, promote. there was never any need for this. with so many opportunities down the road to have brought this to a conclusion, but the so on. and that doesn't seem to anybody as to who, who stepping well it's, it's very interesting demon because there are members of nato, particularly on what they call the eastern flying. so they're more distrustful of
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berlin and parents than they are washington. i mean, you know, i think this is a catastrophe that should have been avoided, could have easily been avoided. we've been saying this on this program for a year now, but i have to agree with george many times now is that the americans are pretty much getting everything they want. i mean, this is a booth for them. well, i think it's a rules that states, it's not a losing, you know, losing a lot of them just because of what happened. but, you know, talking about values. i mean, what kind of european well, half east johnson shoulds. when he was asked, i'm going to send thanks. you said if the united states and then i will also say, it's like a, you know, what would you kill people? well, personally, i think, you know what, you know, nice states people i will shoot. so this is the kind of european barrett you know,
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they look up to their next stage, even though that stage is doing something they want to see. you know, nowadays with rush war, we will be with the day of the world. i don't know what, you know, they may even even a mental with their course because the punishment only for the people who are politically incorrect. you know, it will be for some kind over a year or so. so did use the program, you know, the environment, your car is a fascinating discussion as usual. i want to thank my guest in budapest and here in mosque i want to thank our viewers for watching us here to see you next time. remember ah ah,
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