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fire people tell me without those light wells at times there is a high safety issue for the neighbors. this is something you are going to have to address with the fire department in the future, because i'm seeing it happening all over. my -- you have seen my offer for compromise. thank you. >> are there additional speakers in support of the d.r. request, sir? seeing none, project sponsor, you have five minutes. >> good afternoon, dimitri zamski, owner of 3820 toledo way. my architect won't be here but due to the 13th was postponed i thought he would have time for that,
so i imagine he will be arriving late. as far as the neighborhood i just moved in in january 2011. i love the neighborhood. i have no intentions of leaving the neighborhood. it is my current home and it will be my future home when it is remodeled. in terms of remodel scope that's shown in what we have designed so far, it follows the current i guess history of remodeling that's happened in the neighborhood. one of the pages that submitted included an aerial photo that includes three properties within 250 feet of my front door that has very, very similar remodels. additionally, they all go to zero lot line development, which talking with the planning department you do support. then this also -- the idea
was not something we drew up at a moment. we met with the planning department at the counter. they did advise us this is what we are -- this is what they were seing in terms of development and this is what they frequently support on their proposals. as far as the light well reduction, because we are removing the stairwell and smrin beinginging it to width that match, the net reduction that increases light is only 13% so it is a very, very small light well reduction. additionally, my neighbor's concern for privacy, the windows get a lot smaller. the current windows we have there, we have -- each floor has five windows or so. this will reduce to four very small, narrow windows per window. one of the other things in
talking to my architect, we did make a change on the second floor where our neighbors had a concern that one large window was a big privacy concern for them, so we did make the modification to move the kitchen and swap the layout for the second and third floor to match what the third floor has, which will have again very, very minimal small, narrow windows on either side of the stove. the proposal they provided, a seven-foot setback limits what can be done on that floor. in terms of the scale of the rest of the remodel, this will not be in line with what current demands are and really puts in question the benefit of remodel at the cost to expand fourth floor, do a complete seismic retrofit, fire sprinkle the house and do the energy efficiency
upgrades done to the home. additionally, as i mentioned before, with the reduction of windows and modification we have made to the second floor, the square footage of windows that will now be in the home after the remodel will be an 83% reduction to what is currently there. there will be roughly one-fifth of the windows that currently exist. which by every mean also increase the neighbor's privacy. i did talk to one of the neighbors on my other side, who is in support of the project. he is friends with the girl that moved out of the neighbor's property. for all reasons cited it may have been partially because of the remodel that would happen. i know one of the other driving factors was moving in with her boyfriend as well. so just to put that into perspective. that is all i have to say.
any questions, feel free. >> thank you. are there any speakers in support of the project sponsor, or in favor of the project sponsor? okay? d.r. requester, you have a two-minute rebuttal. thank you. in terms of the light and air reduction, the unit is building right up to the property line of the currently building and going up. the structure today is already set back. by going up you will lose sunlight. it is also westward facing, so we will lose a tremendous amount of sunlight because we will no longer have that at all. as y'all know, there is a strong westerly breeze through the golden gate. they will now be blocked almost entirely. in terms of light, in terms of air, we urge you to kind
of consider this request and we appreciate your time. >> sorry, i need you to the -- >> sorry. >> we have two letters we'd like to leave both from the tenant that moved out as well as the current tenant. >> thank you. >> project sponsor, you have a two-minute rebuttal, if you choose. >> i think in comparison with remodels at 100 majorca, which did the same thing but did fill in light well. most recently at the hearing march 15th i believe of this year, where you i guess passed -- i don't know what the correct word is. you passed the almost identical remodel to this that i'm proposing, i really honestly do believe it falls in line with the developments that have done
previously in the neighborhood. it is the trend we have seen. thank you. >> thank you. okay. the public hearing portion is closed. opening it up to commissioners. commissioner antonini. >> could i ask questions for the d.r. requester. i missed the very beginning of your presentation but i also am looking at the plans. from what i'm hearing is concern about the light wells matching, i think. looks like the existing light well to the -- not sure what direction this is but i'm going to say to the north. i'm not sure if that is correct or not, is 20.6. he is going with 18.4 so what you might do is make that matching to the existing light well -- i guess it is your property. >> it doesn't need to match. the bigger objection is height of the expansion on
the fourth floor. it actually going right up to the existing edge of the light well. by doing that it is basically blocking everything that we have today. >> okay. i'm just kind of looking to -- historically we try to match light wells, as a manner of preserving the light that exists. then looking the opposite side, presumably the south, there is a light well carved out, which is smaller. i don't see that duplicated in the present plans. i will ask other commissioners to take a look at that, see if we should, in fact, carve out what appears to be a closet area or, you know, out of this addition to be able to match the existing light well that is there. then the other thing is the size of the decks, which i believe come all the way to the property lines, is that
correct, or virtually? >> i can't speak to that. i believe that's come to the property line or walls to be erected as opposed to railing. >> that is something i think i would like to look at too. i think having an adequate-sized deck is important. i think one of the things we always try to do. i know the setback to the addition is probably -- it is 15 feet, which is traditional, but by bringing that deck back a little more you want to make sure the roof treatment is okay. i can't really see it. i may ask the project sponsor. >> sorry, but the setback is from the front and rear but not necessarily the side. >> we are talking about front rear setbacks now. i'm not sure we necessarily, other than matching light wells need set backs on both sides. i will see what the other commissioners say. the things i'm thinking about is matching light
wells, decks may be smaller than our called for here. om as much as i -- i can't really tell from the renderings how that additional floor will present itself. looks like project sponsors continuing with the contextual roof treatment and now the second floor he will do it, which is fine. i want to make sure with decks coming so far out we will not just have a flat edge, there has to be a pitch to the roof to make it look correct from the street and also might tend to give you a little more -- won't affect your property but more light on the sides. but you are talking about side setbacks, since you are interested in having. >> that is correct. setbacks from the side with a light well. >> okay. so you are talking about the entire length of the addition? approximate correct. >> what distance? seven feet? >> we propose seven. as the previous supporters said we are willing to
compromise. >> that is a big cut, but certainly we will take a look at that and see what the other commissioners have to say. it seems like there may be more impacted where there is no setback. i don't know if you addressed that because it is not your property. >> i think it applies to another structure. >> okay. there was something about skylights. there was bathroom on the top floor with large window. we request -- one alternative is a skylight for light or at least frost the window. that will look right into the kitchen and dining room areas. >> yeah, again it is a privacy situation in a dense urban n environment. sometimes you may have to put shades. sometimes we have required frosted windows. it is nice to have a window that actually hopes and
there are skylights that open. it is a possibility. we will see what the other commissioners have to say. i appreciate it. we will discuss this and see what we can do. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> commissioner moore. >> i have a question for the project ap capture. you talked about a couple changes you have made, one kitchen windows, others in other areas. are these reflect in the drawings? >> they are not. these are plans we submited with the original. >> i myself am not prepared to consider this project any further until the right drawings are in front of me. this is not he said or she said or i thought i said. the drawings with -- this commission makes approvals based upon the drawn documents in front of us. they are not. you have the ability to consider some of the challenges posed by commissioner antonini and
to ask this project be continued. >> second. >> commissioner moore, i would like to add real quick the plans we have made with my -- the modification we have made is simply a mirroring of what is currently on the third floor to go to the second floor. i understand that we are doing this in an attempt to appease the neighbor's concerns for privacy. >> for me, and do i not want to get into a detailed discussion until i do your project full justice. the fact you are quoting similar projects when they are built. i don't know. who approved, i don't have any idea. doesn't have any bearing of what is going to happen on this particular project. i remember a project just very recently in that area where very carefully taylored the rooftop to meet the demising lines of adjoining homes. we do that almost in every
neighborhood. in this particular case, as i look at the aerial, there is nothing really quite next to the you on either side, which would not be kind of compromise based on what you are trying to do. aside from the non-existing setbacks to the side, i believe that the balcony or roof deck facing toledo is completely inappropriate. there is nothing which does that. so i think you would be well-advised to take this project back, spend more time on the challenges. not to say there will be ultimately not everything you will be agreeing on but i believe you come forward with a successful project if you take this project back and work a little more on it, including accuracy to the drawings you are presenting to this commission. that is just my kind advice to you. i request this commission we have a second, that this particular project be continued. >> i understand. >> i'm not saying that in support of you but i'm asking you clearly go back and think a bit about it.
>> what date would you like to continue? >> unfortunately the applicant doesn't have his architect. >> he just arrived. >> you need four week to do that? what do you think? >> excuse me, are we talking about the windows? the only change -- approximate >> we are talking about a continuance. >> i understand the continuance. you were stating that the inaccuracies were in regard to the proposed new window locations that we did in regard to the d.r. that is my understanding. is that true? >> i didn't say anything about inaccuracy. your client described you made changes to the project. >> if i could speak for a second. the only changes we made to the project were the windows. so that was in regard to the d.r. applicant. we were obviously trying to present something that we felt that would, you know, bring us closer in accordance with his wishes. that was the only change. >> whatever you agree with the applicant has to be in front of this commission in drawing form. cannot only be exexplained by word.
has to be drawn in front of us. what we approve is what you all agree on. commissioner antonini posed a very good observation. we are not going to it sit it is you design the project but spend time on this. this will not be approved because two, three blocks over something is similar. will it not be. i leave it to you to come back with the same, plus changes to drawings or take another crack at i don't care. the project will be continued and you are being asked as to whether or not will it be continued for four weeks, six weeks or three months. you have a choice to answer that at this moment. >> four weeks would be more than sufficient. >> fine. >> commissioner hillis. >> can i just ask the project sponsor a question. i mean, have you met with the neighbors and talked with them? are you amenable to setbacks on their side of the project?
>> mark the neighbor did send in his drawing prior to submitting it to your panel. i did respond to him that i don't think that is a fair compromise at all. >> not saying that. are you amenable to any compromise on that side? >> on some levels to some things. some of the things like the railings, that is incorporated in the project right now. the railings that surround the light well is -- anything that is not on the property line is a see-through, transparent railing. that was done with the intent to -- >> i'm talking about the setbacks, talking about the set back from the light rail on fourth floor. are you amendable to any setback? >> maybe if we can work it to where it surrounds the light well. the entire property line f you look at the two houses, the house to the west of mine * has a room that is
probably 25% larger than the one i have. which, by the way, is a bedroom, a closet and windows. >> i'm just asking about the setback. >> right. but if we mirror it, can make a notch around the light well, because that is the concern of the neighbors. i don't think they are concerned about the additional property that is built up -- >> sure, not on their side. i mean, i would support a continuance. i would also support figuring out what the solution is. it is clear you haven't met with the neighbors to figure out perhaps a compromise and leave it up to us to make that compromise and throw it out there i agree you are probably better off sitting down with them and coming up with a proposed solution. though i'm happy to move forward and make that solution here. >> that's fine. i will meet with the neighbors to discuss what our realistic compromises would be. >> that is great.
>> commissioner sugaya. >> thank you. could you stay there for a second? i have a question for you. when you were describing the project in your presentation, you used some term that said that the fourth floor or maybe other changes in the building wouldn't meet market standards. could you explain? >> the proposal they offered is smaller. so we go to this type redevelopment, go to any home in the marina redeveloped within a recent time period, as i mentioned i searched for about a year before i purchased this property. every home i walked into that had been redeveloped within the last decade had a nice, substantial master bathroom in line with that. they have a nice master bedroom in line with the home, the neighborhood and
prices of the properties. if you go to a bathroom like that, although it is very possible it would work for a certain individual, someone wanting to live in the marina, they are in a different market. it is an elevated luxury home market. >> so you are trying to tell me that you are basing your decision on market as it exists in the marina. >> my decisions are looking forward. so i have to assume that if i intend to -- >> you just told us you are going to live here forever and ever. what difference does it make what the market standards are? >> i have no need to move tomorrow, next year or the following. i can't tell you in five or ten years. >> you are basing this on some speculative approach to this building. >> i'm basing this on every home i looked at in the marina in the last -- >> thank you. i urge you do get together with the d.r. requester and urge you to lose the roof
deck on top of the fourth floor and encourage you to consider a setback. >> okay. thank you. commissioner antonini. >> well, i have to talk to mr. cabreres here. i believe you are doing this case. i'm not quite sure. i'm looking at these plans. there would be the need if you want a matching light well on the north you have to increase the proposed light well by another looks like possibly two feet and two inches, then matching light wells there. i don't quite understand what d.r. requester's interest in asking separation other than where their light well is. because there is still going to be light coming in. i don't understand what they will gain with a separation or setback for property where they don't have windows. you are going to answer that? >> if i may. [ laughter] >> i live in a building
where we have the same situation. these buildings are built cheek-to-jowl. your light well now had an addition on adjoining building which comes to the edge of the light well, you lose your privacy. we have bathrooms and bedrooms facing the light wells and explain that in another situation the marina a few weeks ago where people, for one, have to have light and air to have a bedroom. with a bathroom there is a petition where you can artificially ventilate your bathroom but you basically have people standing at the edge of adjourning roof deck looking right into your bedroom. that is a situation. that is why you would prefer to have a minimum of three, four feet of a deck holding back, if not even more. there is nobody standing there looking down into your room. >> thank you, commissioner moore. i'm not talking about decks yet. i'm talking about matching light wells. >> yes, that is fine. >> i guess what i'm talking about is part of the
structure that adjourned the d.r. requester's home that is not where there's a light well. i don't really see the advantage in cuting that, except if you cut on the west side you could presumably have more light as sun was receding to the west. i'm not sure that would be necessary. we will cut a slot out of his master bedroom. that is a possibility. i don't see an advantage doing it on the east side where the study is. i'm not sure what they are gaining by having that space. i can understand the issue of the decks. i agree that the decks probably should be a little smaller, not go all the way to the street on both sides. you know, maybe 12 feet instead of 15 and a smaller deck on the other side. that could be an issue where it is serviceable but doesn't need to be on the property line. am i missing something about the setback? >> to respond to some of your concerns and questions there, the light well you
are seeing at the property -- the project, the length, from the front to the back of the property, that is the existing length of that light well now. what the project is intending to do is for the depth of the light well, if you are measuring depth from the property line, currently it is a five-foot deep light well, it is reduced to three feet. as the light well is continued to be matched at the d.r., but a depth of three and not five foot depth. part of the requester's concern is they do not want the matching light well at the project at the fourth floor to align with the foundation wall. they want the fourth floor set back in addition to the light well itself. so there is an increased volume, if you will, of light coming into the existing light well. >> both the east and west
side, they want a separation to allow a shaft of light? >> right. i don't think the length from front to back is existing. that isn't being -- in fact, one could argue that could be improved. right now there is an exterior staircase within the subject property light well. >> that is certainly something that could be considered by project sponsors, architect to see if they could. i don't know. seven feet sounds excessive to me but if they could take something off to allow light to come into that, you know, from the west and east by taking a little width off of the master. there is a kind of a notch on the master bedroom on the west side that doesn't look like it really is that important. i'm not sure what the it accomplishes. you still have a sizable master bedroom with part of that off there. so i don't know. that is something i would look at. i would look at the decks.
those are the things that i think would probably make the most sense. most of the time we do things we match light wells but don't necessarily separate buildings from each other if they are not zoned so they have to have a separation. if they are allowed to be joined to each other we usually don't require that. >> that's correct. further comments on that for the requesters and project sponsor's sake and for the commission staff does recognize with any development, vertical or horizon -- horizontal, there will be an impact. for the review is whether it meets minimum standards of residential guidelines and in addition whether it is something that is exceptional or extraordinary in order for you to use your discretionary review power.
>> exactly my thought. that is what we traditionally try to do, which is in keeping with decisions, which i'm prepared to advocate for. if there is a way to open up without significantly opening up the discussions and let in a shaft of light and air. that is something i'd like them to look at before the next time. >> commissioner sugaya? >> not to prolong but one last observation. i missed the fact. the light well proposed is two feet shorter than the existing light well there now on this particular building. is that right, mr. cabreros? >> from side property line. five feet wide now. >> currently. >> correct. >> will it be three feet wide. >> all right. we have made more agregious decisions than this one i think whenever it comes
back to us. mr. paul will attest to that. in any case i will call the question on the continuance. >> what is our date? >> four weeks from now. >> october 4th. >> on motion to continue with public hearing to remain open to october 4th, commissioner antonini. >> aye. >> commissioner borden. >> aye. >> commissioner hillis. >> aye. >> commissioner moore. >> aye. >> commissioner sugaya. >> aye. >> commissioner wu. >> aye. >> commissioner fong. >> aye. >> passes unanimously. continued to october 4th, public hearing is open. you are * now on item 15. case number 2011.0761db for 611 buena vista west, discretionary review. when you come up to speak bring your material at that time. thank you. please do not stand around
the front of the door. good afternoon, commissioner fong and members of the planning commission. tom nguyen presenting discretionary review on building application for 611 buena vista west avenue. the proposal is an operation to existing two-story over basement single family dwelling, which includes a third story vertical addition with a deck and stairway penthouse above the roof. the proposed third story would be within the
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