which they have been placed. >> jane to speak to this, but my understanding is we looked at the arcade and then placed them accordingly so it's kind of corresponds to the size of the arcade bay. >> i guess if you have 25 potential businesses that want them, that might answer the second question. how did you come up with five versus four? >> so they actually mirror the inside nave shops. if you took a mirror image from humphrey slocum down to mackavoy ranch it's sort of continuing that bow art symmetry. >> these will be connected to those interior --. >> there is that potential. if one of the interior shops would like to open up the doors, like heath ceramics, they have a partnership with

blue bottle coffee, oh, maybe heath would want to open up part of their door --. >> that would be the purpose of the doors between the two. >> also with regard to the sizing of the kiosks, i believe one. conditions was the back nave wall remain 50 percent open. so looking at the size of the bay, also with this requirement having a 50 percent back wall opening is kind of where we ended up with the planning of the layout of the kiosks. >> also as i mentioned the two seating areas, we directed that those be at the north and south end to create this kind of public openness. >> commissioners, seeing no other ques, comments i will open up for public comment. any member of the public wish to speak on this item?

>> hello, commissioners, this is desiree smith with the san francisco heritage. heritage did review the project at our issues committee meeting in september and provided some feedback to the project team in october and we're happy that some of our recommendations were included and overall we're very excited about this project. we think it's a great one and we also hope to see as a model for possible future replication in the south arcade. thank you. >> any other member member of the public wish to speak? seeing none we will close public comment and bring it back to the commission. commissioner hyland. >> i'm in support of the project. i think that the kiosks are well done, i think the design of them will be appropriate, in keeping yet certainly contemporary and

distinguishable. the one thought that i had was whether kiosk no. 4 could be slid over so that 3 and 4 were combined. there seems to be a rhythm in the arcade that this interrupts and it creates a little bit of noise behind the arcade that i think it was more symetrical with the layout of the arches and then this, then, would be mirrored, i would assume, on the south side. so therefore then what's going on behind the arches would have some symmetry to it. the way it's laid out now it seems like there's a discontinent rhythm behind the arches. yeah, just move from the left, 4 so it's adjacent to 3. i think that would serve the program the same way.

>> slide 3 over half a bay. >> one and 2 are on center with column line 6. if 3 and 4 are on center with column line 8, then that would create some symmetry. i personally question whether 5 is really appropriate, but i'm sure that it's rentable space so where it's at i guess would be fine. but it is behind the square arch and we don't really have an elevation that really studies this. the drawings are really nice but the closest to an elevation is the 3-d kind of single point perspective. >> but with no arcade. >> right, and you can't really read how it looks in elevation. that would be my suggestion, i think. i mean i'm okay with 5 but i would suggest that 4 get moved over. >> yeah, the only comment i had was about the rhythm. i agree that the design of the

kiosks are beautiful and i think will be a very nice addition to the building and it is a funny thing because you have, you know, the one kiosk that's in the square bay, the squared-off bay which is twice the width of the rhythm of the arched arcade and, you know, it's like a stack caught toe staccato thing. i don't know what the solution is, i don't know if you move forward 5 over and move 1 and 2 over and make 3 a little bigger, i don't know. >> i think just moving 4 over to 3 would do it. >> then it's sort of funky, sort of hanging off into the arcade that's different. i was just struggling with the patterning and that's why i asked the question about the south. if this were mirrored on the south the same way, then it sort of makes sense because then it is symetrical.

>> it doesn't have the same rhythm behind the arches. i don't know if that was studied or if there was an alternative. >> i'm sure, if you've been studying for two years i'm sure you've had alternate designs. >> i guess i'd make the motion of approving it with that recommendation, to move 4 over. >> if i might, on the language issue. >> we're advising. >> we would recommend that the draft motion be revised so just sort of the very first page, the adoption and findings be revised to read as follows: review findings of compliance with the secretary of sbaer 84 standards for rehabilitation and with article 10 standards for the property located on lots 274 and 275 in assessor's

block 2900 waterfront special use district subarea 1 and an 84j height and bulk district. then obviously you can add your recommendation in terms of the location of kiosk 4, in addition to the three recommendations we had for additional review of construction details. >> would you like to -- so with that motion you are making, right, to the changes miss ovalle just stated and the comments commissioner hyland just stated. >> those conditions of approval then become recommendations. >> yes. >> commissioner johnck. >> i see what you are trying to achieve and i am in synch

with it but i would be interested in knowing how this affects the function and use of the plan from the port and/or jane. how does that recommendation, i know it's a recommendation, but how would this affect your economic plan or your business plan? the objectives for the use of the space. the function, what does this do to you? >> from the port's perspective if the eop is comfortable relocating we think that could work. i'll let them speak to what it does to their business plan and the leasing, but as i said earlier, the port wanted to maintain the two open seating areas and that somewhat influenced how we ended up with this sort of asymetrical layout.

>> i think the other thing that we considered is also where we can do core drilling. you know, the building is built on hundreds and hundreds of pilings so there's a limitation of where some of the core drillings can occur but with your comments i think we can go back and look, i think moving 4 over to 3 is a strong possibility. i think we just look at -- i absolutely understand your concerns about how it doesn't really match some of the symmetry that's so apparent in the ferry building, especially without the south side not having this happen, you know, simultaneously. >> thank you. my comment before we -- are you done? before we move on, my only comment, if we're going for symmetry to me it would be taking 5 and moving it all the way over to 3. however, as a restaurantur i love the extra large seating area toward the

middle and activating the promenade because i know when you go by there you see people going in and out except on farmer's market day and the whole middle area feels dead. i actually, even though it may feel a little off because it's so tucked back in there i'm actually happy with the way it is. >> i think we're saying the same, president hasz. i'm suggesting that 4 slides over so 3 and 4 are on center with column line 8, just like 2 and 3 are on line with column line 6. >> understood. great. and we have a motion, we don't have a second. >> second. >> thank you. >> commissioners, then on the motion to adopt a motion

recommending approval with recommendations from staff as well as relocating kiosk 4 to be adjacent to or with kiosk 3, on that motion, commissioner hyland, yes. commissioner johnck, yes. commissioner johns, yes. commissioner matsuda, yes. commissioner pearlman, yes. and president hasz, yes. that motion passes 6-0. >> seeing no further projects we will adjourn this meeting. (meeting adjourned). .

>> bonnie banks. bonnie banks. my definition of noise is uncontrolled music. without format. pretty simple affair. pancakes, and you're -- people get up on sundays around noon, weekends or whatever. should not be too hard to walk into place. have your audio alarm clock go off for two hours waking your up while you are eating breakfast with many interesting visuals once in a while.

improvisation. listening or not to the person you're playing up against or people or machines. trying to get as many different people in as possible. different genres, experimental noise, electronics, dissonance some drums.a tiny bit of ambient -- the first noise pancake shows, 1999, the first waffle noise, 2001. god-waffle noise, noise pancake came out of cubist art, place

on mission street, brutallo, where the church -- opened up his house and saturday morning cartoons. a big space. you can have everybody set up and barely move equipment around; small room for an audience to move around, walkover and get pancakes without getting burned up in the kitchen. there's like people in their hard-core gabber; people into really fast death metal; black metal. people who don't listen to music at all.

guy like larnie bock (sounds like) set up huge, motor driven harp. i don't know how to explain it. 40 foot of motors that he had running over strings and wires. and then played each string individually with the mixer. there is a feeling of euphoria when somebody's really good at what they do. experiencing a buffer, pushing your bowels out your rear. different. a lot of noise. you don't play clubs with a cleaning schedule, a guy coming in the morning emptying the beer bottles. you play the warehouse.

if you travel around you will see the exact same kind of weirdos doing their own thing. it is like in the bay area it's even more absurd. there seems to be more people that in a place like new york or tokyo. we did a show in new york, i didn't think that anyone was at hardly, and people come up and said i saw the show. i wish they had some kind of breakfast noise going on over there. i think a lot of people were being, walking out of the shows. that was incredible. i can't believe it's over already, after two hours. if you are reluctant to enjoy something like this it will probably take

a mass of peers to sell you on it. it's fine if you stay away. most of the people that come to the shows are pretty happy to be here. you may not be one of them. which is fine. [chain saw whirring] [growling] listen, you are extremely terrifying--

just the scariest undead thing on tv, and i really mean that. i am worried that you could give my kids nightmares if they see you, so i'm gonna have to block you. [sighs] so, that's it. oh, and tell the zombies they're blocked, too. week. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ the san francisco. the reporter: has many opportunities to get out and placing play a 4 thousand acres of play rec and park has a place win the high sincerely the place to remove user from the upper life and transform into one of mother nachdz place go into the rec and park camp mather

located one hundred and 80 square miles from the bay bridge past the oakland bridge and on and on camp mather the city owned sierra nevada camping facility is outings outside the gate of yosemite park it dates back before the area became is a popular vacation it i sites it was home to indians who made the camp where the coral now stands up and artifacts are found sometimes arrest this was the tree that the native people calm for the ac accordions that had a high food value the acorns were fatally off the trees in september but they would come up prosecute the foothills and were recipe the same as the people

that came to camp camp is celebrating it's 90th year and the indians were up here for 4 thousand we see every day of them in the grinding rocks around the camp we have about 15 grinding sites in came so it was a major summer report area for the 92 hawks. >> through there are signs that prosperity were in the area it was not until the early part of the century with the 76 began the construction of damn in helpfully a say mill was billed open the left hand of the math for the construction by which lake was used to float logs needed for the project

at the same time the yosemite park and company used the other side of the camp to house tourists interesting in seeing the national park and the constructions of damn when the u son damn was completed many of the facilities were not needed then the city of san francisco donated the property it was named camp mather the first director it was named after him tuesday morning away amongst the pine the giant sequoia is the giants inventories first name if our title is camp means there's going to be dirt and bugs and so long as you can get past that part this place it pretty awesome

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recession he leader i've been leading the bill clinton and anarchy and have had sometimes arts and crafts a lot of our guests have been coming for many years and have almost glutin up, up here he activity or children activity or parent activity here at camp mather you are experiencing as a family without having to get into a car and drive somewhere fill your day with with what can to back fun at the majestic life

the essence of camp mather one thing a that's been interesting i think as it evolves there's no representation here oh, there's no representation so all the adults are engine i you know disconnected so there's more connection the adults and parents are really friendly but i think in our modern culture i you know everyone's is used to be on their phones and people are eager to engagement and talk

they don't have their social media so here they are at camp mather how are i doing. >> how are you doing it has over one hundred hundred cabins those rustic structures gives camp mather the old atmosphere that enhances the total wilderness experience and old woolen dressers and poaches and rug i do lay out people want to decorate the front of thaifr their cabins and front poefrnz their living room is outside in this awesome environment they're not inviting their guests inside where the berms are people get

creative with the latin-american and the bull frogs start the trees grow and camp mather is seen in a different light we're approaching dinner time in the construction of the hetch hetchy damn the yosemite park built jackson diane hauling hall to serve the guests it does was it dbe does best service s serve the food. >> i'm the executive chef i served over 15 hundred meals a day for the camp mather folks breakfasts are pancakes and french toast and skranld eggs and hash brown's our meal formulate is we have

roost lion it's reflecting of the audience we have people love our meals and love the idea they can pick up a meal and do worry about doing the dishes can have a great time at camp mather after camp people indulge themselves everyone racks go in a place that's crisis that i air after the crackinging of a campfire a campfire. >> the evening is kept up with a tenant show a longed tradition

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what's outside of the city common experience is a this unique camp when you get lost in the high sierra wilderness camp mather is waiting and we look forward to city manager's office you here soon ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪