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review of past events of the planning commission staff report and announcements >> again departments that. i have no report for you at this hearing could >> that places under commissioner matus. item 3 presidents report and announcements >> i've no reported >> item 4, consideration of adoption for the store preservation commission interview committee meeting of july 15, 2015. >> any comments or considerations? does any member of the couple public wish to comment on the draft meeting minutes of july 15? seeing none, we will close public comment. another motion to approve? >> i moved to approve the minutes >> second >> thank you commissioners on a motion to adopt the minutes for july 15, commissioner hasz metadata, pearlman, ionin, and commissioner pres. wolfram >> yes
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>> that motion passes unanimously 7-0 and places us on item 5. commission comments and questions. >> any disclosures? commissioner johnson >> i have a question about the place making newsletter. that's an interesting we got an e-mail about it. i was curious, for instance, ivan interesting speech on getting to a conference in savanna georgia in october, which is a concept i'm developing, linkage between maritime archaeology in terrestrial historic preservation in other words together. is that the kind of thing? is that considered a news item or you want to just keep it-activities of the commissioners? >> show. we would welcome any information you have on the presentation and i'll forward it to our communications manager, who will follow-up with you >> right >> commissioner pearlman >> i just want to say i time to read the significant amount of it the newsletter, and it's
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very well done and it's a very impressive newsletter. so thank you to the department. >> great. seeing no other comments will move on. >> commissioners, that will place us under you were continuous calendar, item 6 case number 2014.1386. the civic center cultural landscape inventory is proposed for continuance to september 16. 2015 i've no speaker cards >> so, this item mr. fry >> commissioners, i want to give you a quick update on our most recent continuance of this item. i am happy to report we received the final draft of the cultural netscape survey. with all of the commissioners comments and mr. hasz comments
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address and were currently reviewing again we think it's good to go. in addition to that we found there was a, the necessity to include a little information about the social and cultural heritage of the civic center plaza. most importantly, its recent history. so, we just recently entered a contract with arg to provide additional research during that her back of significance. so, it's really from the 1960s to about the late 1980s, early 1990s. with that, we hope will be finished in a relatively short period of time. but, we are prepared to bring the cultural netscape survey complete, as you most recently reviewed it to the september 16 hearing if you wish to review it at that time. if you would like to wait for the additional research for
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civic center plaza, we could always bring most items to you together at a future hearing. but i want to let you know at least the first component is complete. >> questions? does any member of the public wish to speak on the matter of the continuance of this item? seeing none, will bring it back to the commission. do i have a motion to continue? >> almost into continue to september 16 this item. >> second >> thank you commissioners on a motion to continue item 6 to september 16, 2015 commissioner hasz johnck johns masuda pearlman hibblen and commissioner pres. wolfram that motion passes unanimously, 7-0 voices you under regular calendar. per item 7, case number 2015-0041 case number 2015-004168. des at 350 university st. this is a
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landmark designation. >> good afternoon, commissioned my name is shannon ferguson planning department staff gave him here to present the dependence recommendation regarding landmark designation of the university mold old ladies home located at 350 regarding landmark designation of the university mold old ladies home located at 350 university st. the building was added to the landmark designation program on october 8, 2014. landmark designation was initiated on may 20, 2015. the current building that you see here is constructed in 1931, 32 and colonial revival style. replace in brazil building constructed in 1875. the home was originally called the old ladies home. named after james lick left $100,000 and is filled to start a retirement home for elderly
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women of modest means. it was in business at this current location for 130 years and in 2014 was purchased by genesis and they continue to operate a convalescent nursing home in the building today. the home is architecturally significant as embodiment of the characteristics of the colonial revival style and represents the work of master architect martin j risk and offered i copied. the. of significance was 1931-2014 representing the construction date of the current building to the time period it was owned by the university-it's been suggested that period of significantly change from 1931, two 1980. so that incompatible alterations are not captured in that significant state. the building does retain a high degree of integrity. it's undergone very few alterations during that time period. there's character
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defining features on page 24 of the landmark designation report. character defining features such as the living room dining room, and located areas historically publicly accessible. staff has updated the designation report to include an appendix with a brief history of retirement and evolution in the architectural design of retirement homes. also of note, department staff and commissioners from island wicks and johnck met with them at the site and were given a tour of the property. given the residence or support the designation and supervisor campos has also expressed support. the department believes the building meets the established eligibility requirements and landmark status is wanted. the diamond recommends designation to the board of supervisors. thank you. >> any questions?
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>> questions? seeing no questions, when we take public comment on this item. any member of the public wish to comment on the designation of the university mound old ladies on? seeing none, will" and bring it back to the commissioners. i would like to report about our visit today. as ms. ferguson said, commissioners johns myself this right in this ferguson all visited the site. we met with madeira-founder of a song with the executive director i think of the particular site, that particular building. as well as david ross from-who is their architect for some proposed rehabilitation. they stress some concern about the flexibility of them to make changes in the future to
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accommodate accessibility issues were coding issues. we walked them through the designation reports. they seem to be amenable to designation. they did not express, i guess, i would say they're fairly neutral. i drove the other commissioners had a sense of- >> i think there were more comfortable >> they were comfortable. we also met talk to a few of the residence there as well and a tour of the facility which ms. ms. ferguson said has great integrity. they are planning to make some changes to improve accessibility at certain locations. we also discussed the potential of changing the front landscaped terrace so that was more accessible. i know there's a set of steps from the building to the driveway. they said they were exploring different ways to
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that of larger outdoor patio for residents that might change the landscaping in the front setting. then, the potential batting elevators in the reader, changes they were also-i was a the one area that they were discussed the most were the ceilings, the painted stenciled ceilings and whether those could be readily retrofitted to include sprinklers and lighting and other features and whether they might consider putting a drop ceiling instead. that was one area that was discussed. then, we finally discussed the role of the farc. should this designation be approved. they would have the resources of va rc to come forward to discuss the potential design changes. does that actually are flat- >> as far as i'm concerned.
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except there was one thing that. there was initially, i thought, some ambivalence on their part and some real questioning, but would we be able to operate this home if it's a landmark? what would this really do? how flexible are you? it seemed to me that was a pretty insightful as to what goes on in the minds of well-meaning people who have never encountered a stork preservation commission before come and probably hurt too many stories about the hbc destroying every ounce of economic value and other peoples property. as we talked, they seem to warm to the idea and they are really interested in exploring with us what could be done to preserve the parts
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of the building that are really worth preserving, but would allow the building to operate in the way that it could be economically sustainable. so, i think that what i got the feeling that they really want to work with us and it might -there could be some real benefits to having them on board with this landmark. >> i wonder ms. ferguson as he could walk us through. there was some changes that need to be made based on what we saw today and also mentioned the corrections that i talk to you about earlier. >> based on our site visit today, there have been some features that have been removed already that were called out in the character planning features in the reports. those include some light fixtures in the living room. i believe the
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dining room and in the chapel that have already been removed and replaced with contemporary light fixtures. we do believe those-they were original fixtures that been removed. so, that would need to be room changed and the character defining features. >> was there any indication the ones that were taken away still exist? >> undergone? >> unfortunately, they are gone. the ones in the chapel may still be around and could potentially be rewired and reinstalled if they are still available. >> commissioner johns >> i was curious with the concerns of the owner and maybe ask you if you foresee any particular difficulty. in my expense this is been on the commission, we have been
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flexible according to the purpose of the facility allows for changes to support the facility and its functions. so i wouldn't necessarily be worried about that. however, if the owner, i guess, were to be prudent to us watch the owner if there are some plans, or ideas that they have for changes, would be prudent to have a meeting with them to further bring them on board. would that be wise? that would be my question. which would mean maybe a continuance, if there was support for that idea. or, if we do prove if we
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do approve it now i think would be prudent to meet with them if they have some changes they want to make it or maybe they don't have a plan out? >> i don't think it really drawn out yet. the planning department,-when was this originally provided to the owner? this is been in their hands for a lot while? >> yes. bulimic designation was provided to them well before the initiation hearing on may 20 >> so, the planning department has done quite a bit about reach and i think today perhaps was the first meeting were we had all the parties involved. so, we've if we were to continue the item, i'm not sure what, whether there would be a real benefit or not. i don't know. gemini thoughts about that? >> commissioners, jim frey department staff. my thoughts earlier after discussing some of these conceptual plans with property owners, that they could really benefit from some design advice from architectural review committee
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no landmark designation i think would go a long way in facilitating that. so, by the time they come to us with a permit or project or requested we can bring them directly to your design committee to give them the type of feedback. and guidance that i think they could benefit from. >> i have no-i'm ready to move >> commissioner hyland looks >> i don't think we need to continue this. i was impressed with a cared about the building as well as the function in the building. it was under threat about a year ago and this age song brought in some investors to purchase the building and to keep it in its current use and they even said, at one point, all the character defining features that we were explaining to them that were important, they also felt were important and intuitively would pay attention to those things. that being said, i think we do have some challenges, and so would be definitely beneficial for them to bring not only before the a rc, potentially
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have a preservation consultant work with them on some alternatives to the strict building codes. >> great. >> yes, i'm ready to move the designation. >> that motion after motion? >> that the motion. i'm ready. i move. >> okay. >> second >> commissioners move the motion to adopt the recommendation for approval on a motion commissioner hasz, johnck johns matsuda, pearlman hyland looks, wolfram-yes that motion passes unanimously 7-0. >> can i go back to number six or something about the calendar?
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>> number five we can reopen commission matters >> i just wanted to look at august 19 and there's one item in that september 2 there's nowhere comes. i'm wondering from the staff at things coming up? we talked about having these 20 min. meetings that if we could combine some items to other mediums, that would be quite helpful. >> commissioners, there are number of items especially informational presentations on your august 19 calendar. but i don't know any advanced calendar. to my knowledge, it might be an opportunity to cancel the first hearing in september. i think sec. ionin was discussing discussing that with commissioner wolfram >> when we wait till august 19. thank you, then. hearing adjourned. >>[gavel]
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my name is randy shaw. i would like to welcome you all to the tenderloin museum. [ cheers and applause ] >> and you know it's not a dream, it really exist. i brought joaquin torres and amy cohen a few weeks ago. i wanted his honest assessment. i said what do you think? he said, you know, i can't believe it's actually going to happen. that is a common thing. and i want to say right
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at the outset two people who are not with us today who i just want to acknowledge because without their infused spirit and legacy we wouldn't be here. one is lloyd cooper. many of you know that lee roy was a long mentor of mine and from fall of 1979. we met with lee roy in his office and he was selling us this idea that tenderloin could be improved and here we are still doing it. it's quite impressive. the other one is cattle, whose wedding photo is here since 1985. he meant so much with my relationship with him because he opened the door to the sro
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community and became a major donor. we got many many people who care about the tenderloin. you can see it on the board. it's the owners of the tenderloin, people like paul brushte and who dug into their pockets and said we believe in this museum. that's what's happened. i want to thank all of those who donated and for believing in us. we didn't think this was going to happen. thank you all. [ applause ] >> i go to a lot of these
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events and you can have people going on and on thanking each person. everyone here was invited. most of you need some support from the media. the media was great. you all deserve thanks. so please don't associate me not mentioning a person by name as not recognizing. there are some people from institutions that i have to call out today. when we hear about pro bono assistance it can often mean a saturday having your staff paint or an architecture firm or it could mean 6 years on a project. i never forget. i feel like some of these folks like seth
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miser. it's like saying good-bye to the tin man. we've been working on 6 years of working on this museum. perkins and will's contribution. the number of the architecture and design. i do want to call them out. and, [ cheers and applause ] i didn't forget that. there was a series of architects who were working the set and this had to do it during a construction period was matsushida. you did all the the stress work. thank you very much. [ applause ] >> and then of course we had to have someone supervise construction. and everyone knows contractor stories and people have the horror stories from their house and wherever you go
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when you go a people have that story. we don't have that story because we use webcor. you cannot believe the professionalism, the quality. eric was sending e-mails multiple times seven 7 days a week. the organization of this project could never happen without webcor's pro bono support and the dedication of those individuals. we want to call them out and thank them. [ applause ] is rodrigo sanity -- santos here. i asked him to give us a price on engineering and he said i'm not giving you a price. i'm doing it for free and he did. [ applause ] our favorite designer is rob duncan here? i saw rob earlier. i
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know rob is here. all the great designs, all the great retail stuff was all designed by rob. rob would occasionally ask for a very small check which no where near covered his cost. it covered the museum design and we got at the elite international firm. thank you, rob. [ applause ] i also want to thank our great hero, my hero john burton for coming. great hero for coming. john and i took a driving tour back in 2010 where he pointed out to me all the places he used to gamble and drink in the tenderloin. [ laughter ] and he remembered them. and also i want to thank tom and ron at pbi for going far beyond the call of duty.
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thank you very much, both of you. [ applause ] so again, i'm not thanking everyone else as well but i want to get to the presentation. a lot of things happened on the morning i -- mayoral's watch. it happened because of mayor lee's watch. people asked me who supports this museum. if i said our biggest supporter is mayor lee. he's been with us the entire time and he believes in the tenderloin. what's interesting is all of us who you see here, we all have a long history, but what i learned in researching my book and for this museum is that mayors haven't done
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very much for the tenderloin in history. they talk a good game and come down for ribbon cutings and they give a lot to non-profit housing, but when it comes to this, it's been 15 years. we got lucky that mayor lee became mayor. i have to say when you look at the help we got from the mayor's office, and when steve comes, he never comes to an event. steve came to this event and the support he gave to us. of course amy cohen and joaquin and someone who gave as much help, jeremy. i wish we had a closed circuit so jeremy knows all the help he gave us. that happens with mayor's in the title. that doesn't happen if you don't have a mayor who says i want all the staff to
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help the tenderloin. ed lee did that. wow further a do, mayor, thank you very much. [ applause ] >> randy, thank you for the introduction. >>mayor edwin m. lee: this is what a sizzler's restaurant looks like. [ laughter ] >> you have to know that part of the history in order to appreciate that line. we certainly do. and those who have been in the tenderloin for many years serving the residents here. i think you are all to be congratulated. i know there is an abundant list of people. but i also want to acknowledge those that maybe do not have a big name but are the small business owners within two or 3 blocks from here that said we want this to happen. every police officer that has served this district wanted this to happen.
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firefighters who have come through here wanted this to happen. nurses, i have a lot of nurses and medical health professionals wanted something here to happen. it shouldn't surprise all of you that when it comes to the tenderloin, when it comes to revitalizing areas in the central market, historically depressed areas, it takes not only the great ground leadership that randy has provided for many years. you have to give randy a huge huge [ applause ] here. [ applause ] talk about this. if i had anything do with it is only because he convinced, he was there and you have a reading. this is our history. this is why we came to study law and do civil rights and work in the communities like this. no different way i feel about chinatown and north beach and some areas we
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worked historically together. but i will also say beyond kind of taking care of our own roots and the people we believe in and giving them the level of respect, i enjoy working with the people you just named. we are working together now today to house what is on the front pages of homeless population and they are doing a terrific job and they are freeing up master leasing with as many units as they can. they are finding us to be more incredible partners on these very challenge populations that have a lot of issues and they are centered in central market and tenderloin and we want to help them. i also want to say that in addition to them and the volunteers, there is just an incredible number of people that go unnamed and the staff. i want to also give another shout out to a
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group of people that continue i think to help revitalize all of san francisco but particularly the most challenging are artist. this museum is part of art. it doesn't surprise me that the museum is the idea that has now come forward to attract investor confidence, to bring people together. and i'm looking at karen from the arts and naomi, the city administrator who was in my previous role in trying to figure out what joaquin and amy and others and how we continue to work with the arts to revitalize and bring forward life because when you have nothing, you still got art. you got a history to talk about. so when we had all of those
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meetings at the wonderful hasteings college, they did a great partnership community and it was neat to tell those stories of what we needed others to do to get people involved. that's why i'm not surprised to explaining the idea of the uptown in the tenderloin in this fashion to be so sustainable that a larger fate is happening particularly in the tenderloin area and we celebrated those milestones on a basin which is more and more to come. but there is investor competence that is also there. there will be companies that will i think appreciate this even more. that's why there is neighbor nest. that's created for low income families that are part of the technologies contribution. there will be more of that as the cba's get more
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life into the community benefit agreements and all the technology employees. they will not just go down larkin street. they are going to chairman and the bistro and they will say where is this museum and they will discover that and hopefully get into the jazz and cadillac hotel again and hopefully into more jazz. as 400 mayor's discovered in one of their most enlightening sessions ever to join our memorial in that session. so there is to say a lot of things happening and it's just a matter of us linking it up, talking about it, and introducing more people to it. when we get the lighting down with the harlan's leadership on the lighting, the pathways are going to be better lit and you see people at the
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park providing for all the people that we want our parts to reflect. on valencia, that's going to sprout. you see ice cream in the middle of the tunnel coming. i can't wait for the day we serve free ice cream in the tenderloin. they deserve it. that will be a lot of fun. there is a lot of new things happening and i think this is a moment to an attribute all the spirit of the people that have come here to make this happen. engineers, there is a reason why they are the most successful and good reputable contractor in the city. they are building the big downtown buildings but also help rehab lead with many others with this incredible museum. i can't wait when they start counting the numbers of people that come through here. because when they come through here,
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all the other shops you have to be exposed to. this is part of uptown tenderloin. it is part of the story, the history to arm themselves with so they will know what they are looking at and appreciate this entire part of our city that now is going to become an even bigger contributor. they have contributed. we just haven't recognized it. and i know that muhammad and others, we struggled in our capacities for public works to allow pathways for more people to come here will continue doing that, but all the agencies are working together now in a much better rhythm because we appreciate the investments that are made here because this is going to cause more investments especially the investment in people and we are going to see more of that from our
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administration. the tenderloin is going to be a great story, but so is church street and bodega and central market and so much more of an investment for people who want to create a better place and time for a chance to celebrate and have this sharing for a lot more people. thank you for this milestone, but i am excited to see this cause even more excitement in this entire community and randy, your leadership, your unfettered commitment to this. i want to say thank you from the entire district. [ applause ] >> i do want to mention that kevin louis is sitting in the third row. he and my paint job, we opened an
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art gallery for art a half block down 236 leavenworth street. and so many people said to me, who did this museum, it's so great. if you need someone to do a museum for you. steve is right there and give him your card and he'll get a hold of you. so i'm very honored by the presence. we have the history on the walls and the history sitting here and reverend cecil williams. one thing i want to say about reverend williams, i have been in the tenderloin, i know him. i didn't know in 1963 there were only 35 families as members. he had a remarkable organizing strategy. i don't think anyone would have thought of it. he said we are going to hire a minister for
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youth who has no money. that's what he did. he led the power grass roots and organized this. how many knew that? how many read my books? [ laughter ] the legacy is so much more powerful in the tenderloin. we are so glad you are here. do you want to say a few words? >> greetings, everybody. thank you men and ladies. thank you the people who put the time and effort and money. this is the most important thing that's happened in the city and county of san francisco. no matter what you are looking at and how you see it.
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this place certainly is something that is vital and will continue for years and years to come. and having said that, janis, i could not have done it without you. i'm telling the truth. [ laughter ] in fact she did before i did. we did. what you don't know i will tell you. every inch of this, every group that came to san francisco, we had something to do with them in what they did in this city. you name it. we saw at nighttimes what you can
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probably see on television because we felt very strongly that the voice of those folks who came through san francisco, that led me to be here. we never gave in to their philosophy. we have philosophy and a commitment and an unconditional love as a base. there were moments where it was getting pretty tight at times. actively came here. secondly, we had also to begin to relate closely and openly with gay and lesbian groups. we could find ways in this community, large population of gays and lesbians. that was very important. so we identified with whatever the
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movement was. so as a leader to the nation we responded to the gay and lesbian community. the third thing is i don't know if you know this or not but we have 10,000 volunteers who come through every year. that is something that is very critical. lastly but not least, you need to know this, there is no doubt about it, right in the block from where we are located there are large groups of african americans. there is a large number of african americans in the tenderloin. large numbers. some of them they have problems and confront issues. they are ours and we are theirs. we will always be theirs and they will be ours, always. i want to hear him say,
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janis without your time, i don't know where i would be without you. [ cheers and applause ] [ laughter ] >> talking about all people well generally i was going to open the first office in 1980. ed glide raised it to $75 a month and we said we can't afford that and right next door was a vietnamese community development center which started my work with do. remember we had some refugees who came to the tenderloin and started to transform the neighborhood and i worked with toe for 10 years until local 2 which is
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in the tenderloin. i thought the coincidence that you and i met in glide. toddo. [ applause ] >> being here just feels like so much coming home. although i never really left the tenderloin. i came just a little bit from a personal perspective. i came to the lend lion when i was 18 and i'm 56 now and i'm still working on the tenderloin. working as the vietnamese youth development center what is under the leadership of lamb do you -- and the memorial church where we do a lot of community outreach. we provide after school. i was one of those youth that
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benefited from the program and north of market plan and coalition. i think we have one of our first southeast asian housing committee in the city because of the diversity of the members who live in here which is vietnamese laotian and cambodia. we do our best effort to incorporated ourselves to learn about our right as a tenant and also we want to learn about being a part of the bigger picture of passing rent control. we have a lot of memories where we have our first picket line to protest one of the evictions. one of the buildings right here but we have a sad moment where i don't know if you remember where there was a person that died in the building. the cause because of the space between the floor and
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elevator and the space was too small. as a community we overcome a lot. the unite development center is providing youth with a different focus with technology and recreation that we when you are growing up poor you don't have the opportunity but now growing up and you have the location. that is what we do and we also survive a lot of turmoil and that's what you do with us. and reverend i have to remember his name. when our community was going through a lot of turmoil with what's going on in our homeland we continued to be able to be about and provide the best
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service we can regardless of whether or not you are supporting the republican or supporting the reunification of vietnam today. i feel very much at home and thank you for all the work that everybody had done to continue to work the community forward. one thing i have to mention is that because a lot of our members in local two become more self sufficient as working in the hotel because of the effort of you and randy from the planning coalition after making sure that these hotels when they build they are sure she hire a resident from this area. [ applause ] so some of our members graduated from here and able to provide a home and live better. i know they have a
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much better life. the tenderloin is a lot of memories for me and a lot of struggles and a lot of cobwebs as well. [ applause ] i should mention the cultural center used to be the waitresses union. it's the largest waitresses unit # -- union in the united states. we are a big union area. many of you know kathy looper from here friday concerts. i worked with her as long as i have known lee roy and she's 79. everyday when we have our tours, which is really important for this museum because we want people to go out to the community and get to
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know the tenderloin. we have pam coats, one of our tour guided. kathy is also a tour guide. the first time i take everyone is through the cadillac hotel they are blown away because they hear negative things about the sro's. they see it and they say is this the sro? because of kathy is the unsung hero in the tenderloin. kathy? [ cheers and applause ] >> that was all fully sweet. it's night to be in a room full of people who love the tenderloin. i have to tell you it's heart warming to be here and see this with this out pouring of
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support. when lee and i built this, it failed because it was an isolation. there wasn't enough around it to draw people in even just for a meal. if anybody knows me, you know i will get to the point. we need your continued support. we need you to support serve -- every business. we need you to go to the museums, then go to one of our restaurants. randy has done an incredible job of bringing investment into this community. it's not just his job, it's our job. we have to do the same. we have to encourage people to come in and spend their dollars in our community, help support this community and this museum is a great entry way for people
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to do that. so, that's it. bring your pocket books. [ cheers and applause ] >> to continue on that theme because we don't have philanthropic support, we have all kinds of items for sale that are sold in a museum. if you haven't bought any before, buy some today. getting people to come to the museum and pay the admission fee and to have them take the tours which we have on thursday nights. that could help. all of you who are inspired by this and talk the language by mayor lee and doddo is to talk about it. we
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need to you do that you can't just walk away and say that was fun, where is lunch and it's all forgotten. i have told people the story about how sitting down with gratsdz wealthy people and when they are with me it was a great idea but they didn't give any money. when you are here you are excited and back home you are in another environment. if you just give to momma. we are working very hard to raise every dollar in the tenderloin. when you do that, it's great to be here. we have word of mouth and otherwise you have ways to go to the museum. our opening night event at 6:30. we have a rare
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extraordinarily rare assistance. if you see sierra strike and mark. susan striker and victor hernandez. victor the co- director will both be here along with marching and veronica, the activist and if you want to know the gay and lesbian history of san francisco and where it began, it began here right in the tenderloin. cover charge covers the free wine. see you all here and in the future. thank you. [ applause ] 27, 2015 and
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