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housing semiand strengthen goals against evictions we're commented for housing needs for all san franciscans to learn more visit highway good morning march 15, 2016 plans and programs
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committee meeting of san francisco transportation authority. i'm katy tang and to the left is commissioner peskin, avalos and to my right, commissioner cohen. the clerk is steve steamose and like to thank jim smith and [inaudible] with that if we can go to roll call. >> item 1, commissioner avalos, present. cohen, present. commissioner farrell, absent. commissioner peskin, present. commissioner tang, present. we have quorum >> if we can call item 2. >> item 2 citizen advisory committee report. >> we have chris [inaudible] our cac chair >> good morning commissioners. here to report on 4 items in the packet. improving west side. most of
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the comments include things like need to look more closely at non commute hours, [inaudible] to bart which is item 9. more attention paid to commuters traveling to south bay and multiagency efforts to create private commuter shuttles. our comment were mostly about clarification on the selection of fund allocation and public comment include concerns about geo graphic equity. 11 million in prop k and [inaudible] approved with [inaudible] and on capacity update item 8, our comment were mostly on lrt, on the timeframe of delivery, citing the increases around demand projection
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indicated the lrt should be indicated now. [inaudible] greater investment in transit that can handle increased demand and serve the existing population. with that, take any questions >> thank you for your report and weighing in on the west side sar. seeing nor questions or comments we'll open up to public common. item 2? seeing none public comment is closed. if we can go through the consent calendar, >> 3 to 4 are considered routine and staff not to present on the item. if a member objects any item cz be removed and considered separately >> seeing no questions any public comment on the consent calendar? seeing none public comrnt is closed. >> on the consent calendar, avalos, aye. commissioner cohen, aye.
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commissioner farrell, absent. commissioner peskin, aye. commissioner tang aye. the consent calendar passes. >> recommend appointment of 2 members to the citizen advisory committee. this is a action item, we have mike [inaudible] >> the transportation authority advisory committee has 11 members suving a 2 year term. the plans and programs committee the board appoint to fill any vacancy. the transs portation thoert staff or caa make recommendation ons the appointment and applicants must be san francisco residence and appear before the committee once. attachment one shows information about currents committee member jz the list of applicants for vacant positions is attachment 2. detailed application materials can be found in the enclosure. the vac aenss are a
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result of resignation of wells witney and mr. lar son. mr. lar son is seeking reappoint: there are 26 applicant you can consider and with that i can take any questions. >> thank you, i don't see any questions here at this time. i believe that we had received word from commissioner yee who would support reappointment of john larson. >> madam chair, if we could delay the district 3 appointment to our next meeting, i would appreciate that. >> alright. so the motion to continue. seconded by commissioner cohen and take that without objection. are there any other applicants in the audience here? please come up and make a presentation. if you wouldn't
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mind letting us know which seat you are interested in. >> [inaudible] in district 8 and not in [inaudible] any other vacant district but wanted to come and state i'm interested in any district that is available or open eve chb though i don't live or work in that district >> did you already submit a application? >> i did. >> so you are part of the packet. thank you very much. any questions or comments on that? okay, thank you very much. any other applicant here who submitted applications? seeing none we'll open up item 5 to public comment. any members who wish to comment on item 5? seeing none public comment is closed. colleagues--alright, thank you commissioner avalos, seconded by commissioner cohen and take that without objection. so, we'll move on john larson for district 7 qu
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continue for district 3 appointee. >> item 6, recommend approval of the 2016 prop a [inaudible] programming recommendations tote aelg 2, 192, 934 for 4 projects, amendment of the prop aa strategic plan. this is a action item. >> thank you, we have anna [inaudible] here. >> good morning supervisors. anna [inaudible] for policy and programming. i'm pleased to present to you the item for w the 2016 projject for vehicle rejivation fee program. just a overview of the program, this is a additional 10 dollar vehicle registration fee approved by san francisco voters in november of 2010. it is a relativity small source
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of funding generated less than 5 million dollars a year and in representation of the relatively small amount of funding there are only 3 cat goers, street repair and reconstruction, pedestrian and safety and transst reliability and mobility improvements and one of the primary focus is also on quick to deliver projects. representing also that idea is any funds 234 that become available throughout the program is reprogrammed as thibecome available to the extent possible and these are fraujects completed under budget or if a project is able to be funded through new revenue sources. so, we have a
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approximately 1.193 million dollars that is available for reprogramming right now. i just wanted to also give a few highlights of the program to date. so, in the current strategic plan for prop aa there is about $26 million in the 5 years to 19 projects. pleased to report the program is on track, there have been allocation of more than $21 million to date and so there have been a few projects completed under budget in the categories shown on the screen that generated funds available for a immediate coffer project and given we had twice the amount of funds requested than we had available for programming, and we are nearing the ends the first 5 years of the strategic plan and when the board adopt thd first 5 years of projects, we had revenue
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assumptions that were based on a certain number of vehicles registered in san francisco on a monthly and annual basis but decide to revisit or revenue assumptions for planning at the time. i'll go into it had additional revenue assumptions but based on the revised analysis of revenue we have 1 million dollar additional for programming at this time through the coffer projects or available nx year with the strategic plan update. this brings the total amount available assuming the funds will be reprogrammed at this time or at least the amoint available in general to about 2.2 million dollars. this slide shows the analysis of the revenues that are available that are available now and are estimated to be available back in 2012. we
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began collecting rchb new march 2011 and it is a modest amount of additional revenue, it is about 3.9 percent additional. when you look it over the 5 year period that we have been collecting revenues, it totals just over a million dollars and when you net out the 5 percent in program administration cost that is how you end windup the amount available now. this reserve as 240 million cap reserve which is 5 percent of the annual revenue which we think ask prudent for a fluctuation in revenue, however, the source has been a rel tivly stable amount of revenue over the years, it is just the increment is slightly higher. on this slide you see the applications we received so we received 5 applications requesting that 2.sish million dollar and with increased revenue we are not able to
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fully fund all the applications as requested. we reviewed the applications eligibility and scored the applications and you can see the details of the criteria in your enclosure, but in general there is program wide criteria which is based on project readiness, can the project proceed to construction or at least to design in this fiscal year and analysis of community support, construction coordination opportunities. there are also cat go specific criteria, for example with pedestrian safety category the projects are consistent with walk first. the funds and transit reliability category are just over 500 thousand on a prior slide, there was a special condition adopted in the 2012 stuteejic plan that funds that became available in this category from cost
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savings are-that the funds are reortizeed for muni rapid network projects. which is reflected in the funding recommendation primarily for the muni bus layover area as bart daly city. we recommend fully funding the project with the funds available in that category as well as the 4 projects in the safety category. we don't recommend funding for the presidio project, this was the lowest scoring projecktd and the scores primarily recognized a lack of project readiness and also the lack of funds after higher scoring projects were funded. for the muni bus layover project this will accommodate plan service increase for the 14 rapid that will begin in
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the next few month squz allow the buses to layover on the paid parking lot at the bart station. it will take about 30 parking spaces but bart is supportive of this. [inaudible] will also commit funds to this project. we are also recommending funding for two one bay area grant projects. this is the broadway chinatown streetscape project which we recommend funding just over a million dollars and also to the health streetscape projects. [inaudible] is already under construction and broadway streetscape has bids out for advertisement and probably have come in recently. so, this would fully
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fund the one bay area grant projects which are high priority frasan francisco and would like to see them advancing smoothly and also recommend parjs fundsing for the design phase of walk first ball bout location and this will fund up to 25 existing safety zones with concrete bowl bouts and sfmta will prioritize the locations based on the walk first criteria and collision history at these locations so it will take out the [inaudible] and put in permanent concrete bowl bouts. and the locations are shown on the map. i also have additional information on the location of the potential locations for the bowl bout projects. happy to dissiminate that information. project sponsors are here, happy to
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answer any questions you might have. that concludes my presentation >> thank you very much. compligzer peskin. commissioner peskin j. >> i just wanted to thank staff and my colleague frz the million plus dollars to do the fourth phase of the broadway streetscape improvements, unfortunately a few days late for a pedestrian fatality that happened friday morning as a resident of district 3 who lived around the corner died in a hit and run at that intersection. i spent some time there on friday and again over the weekend and yesterday morning and visited the widow of the individual who was killed and the police are looking for the hit and run driver. there are immediate things we can do that i discussed with director riscon at the mta including daylighting on
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the corners until the project comes along but it is sorly needed, it is a very very dangerous intersection and right next to a elementary school, so i'm delighted it is moving forward >> thank you very much commissioner peskin. anyone else? seeing none thanks again, i think all the plaujects are wonnerful and look forward to help with efficiency at bart. at this time we open up item 6 to public comment. any member of the public? >> [inaudible] killed at the corner of broadway and powell street in chinatown, so what happened is the chinese people prefer they have a sign that says be careful when crossing the street [inaudible] a good way to have them be more aware of the [inaudible] >> alright. thank you very
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much. any other members on item 6. seeing none we close public comment. we are joined by commissioner farrell so will take roll call >> commissioner avalos, aye. commissioner cohen, aye. commissioner farrell, aye. commissioner peskin, aye. commissioner tang, aye. the item passes. >> thank you very much and now if we can call item 7 >> item 7, recommend allocation of 10, 975, 410 in prop k funds and 794, 980 in prop aa funds with conditions for 6 requests subject to attached fiscal year cash flow disbution. action item >> thank you, mike [inaudible] >> we have 6 requests again. first, protection system so this funds the [inaudible] this funds protection
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systems at presidio yard which [inaudible] currently only one of the facilities 8 maintenance has fall protection so there is a back log of roof related repairs. second, sf pub lrk works requests to repave segment of claiten, clipper and por tola. the project will construct new curb ramp jz repair curbs and sidewalks at various locations. the second paving request is 47 blocks of 11 streets, [inaudible] the pavement condition here is all most as bad at 59 out of 100. this will construct new curb ramp jz repair side walk. besy car michael crosswalk. open a midblock cross wuck on sherman
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street connecting [inaudible] this emerged from a site visit with school administrator squz community members and would identify engineering measure tooz improve safety and encourage studsant to walk and bike to school. sfmta [inaudible] signage and daylighting alt the curb and traffic signal timing changes. next elevator safety and reliability upgrades. this is for construction of companyhensive rehabilitation of 12 elevations at 4 muni metro stations. funding comes from a place holdser for muni projects and this provides access to the subway stations which are a critical component of the rapid network. finally, the muni bus lay over at daly bart station. we heard with this with prop
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aa project. this allocates funds to the bus layover project and this is contingents on the board programming for the funds. this will improve bus reliability and allow for increased service on the 14 r rounts. [inaudible] but barts thinks that will end up with the wash with the extra riders that the 14 r will bring. so, with that i can take any questions. >> thank you very much for your presentation. any questions or comments? commissioner avalos. >> thank you, just a question on the daly city stop for the 14 r. areioaware of what the actual -what people are paying to take muni to daly city bart and take daly city bart downtown? is there a discount
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because they come on muni for that? >> i'm not sure how that workwise the transfer. >> just trying to remember what the deal was on that, so that's okay. just the extension of the 14 to daly city bart helped a lot of residents in my district t is the quickest route to get downtown so i support the project. >> great. thank you very much. seeing no other questions or comments we'll open up item 7 to public comment. any members? seeing none public comment is closed. if we can have a motion on that. >> motion to approve. >> thank you motion by commissioner avlease and seconded by commissioner cohen and take that without objection. item aithd, please >> item 8 rail capacity strategy update. this is information item >> we have graham from sfmta.
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>> good morning commissioner, graham [inaudible] thank you to tuque tauc about the work we are doing here. it is a start of major investment and near term actions mta can take to help improve the system today. we'll go over the work and how we did it and dive into the recommendation or improvements we identified and where do we take this work from here. anyone who rides the muni system regularlyly or those that ride it infrequently know it is crowded. it is [inaudible] in peak peerds and can be uncomfortable. there are many factors where a
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system doesn't meet the reliability goal squz this leads to a customer experience that is inadequate and doesn't meet expectations. this is todays condition in a city that is rapidly growing and added residents and employees all the time so we needed to think in 2013 how could we do something in the near term to address the issue while making sure we get ahead and think long term and how to plan for the city residents and employees of the future so the rail capacity strategy is driven by 4 goals, cuchberage, couding, reliability and travel time. those goals manifesten 3 buckets. the first is looking how to turn the dialthen near term 6789 we realize we can't deliver major investments in the next year or 2 or 3, butd in the next fifen years there are things we can do to provide impruchbments for the customers
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today. there is also a thinks at a system wide level we can try to deliver that will provide impruchments in the near term. this is again the start of the conversation in termoffs long term thinking. how might we think of a rail system for the future in san francisco, what are the rough areas corridors that are high priorities and the cost and think the path record of dlivy and what would that tell about the desires of a future rail system? use basically a 3 sfep methodology of assess, develop and screen. on the assessment side we have existing information, ridership and forcast and forcast and land use, travel time and reliability factors in addition we convene thd rail capacity technical panel which is front line managers and people who know
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the system like it back of their hands and senior folks that are experts. this went through a line by line look of the issues and hang ups the sishm has today and what cause the head ache squz the opportunities to unlock the potential of the system. we went through developing concepts for those solution jz had a stakeholder system for long term ideas and screen these concepts based on our 4 goal outcomes we were looking for. as we went through the line by line review with the rail capacity technical panel we identified themes occurring and they are not unique but mta should consider whether state of good repair or enhancement. a number of enhancements are [inaudible] looked at the muni forward
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[inaudible] additional things more specific to the rail system are terminal tracks end the line facilities and station or platform enhancements to make sure we can handle the crowds. these investment types would be considered under regular state of good repair project or other enhancements within the rail system overall and isn't necessarily capital projects because they are most effectively delivered as part of larger efforts. there were discreet locations with unique issues that were identified by the technical panel. these includes the west portal area where conflict with pedestrians bikes and vehicles cause a lot of friction and reduce our ability to get trains in and out of the muni subway. the muni metro extension we identified the need for a additional turn back track that will alleviate turn back crowding at the
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embarcadero station turn back, it is identified as a constraint within our tublt operate the existing subway and also provides a spill overory release valve in large crowding event. the additional project on the muni metro extension is surface [inaudible] system and this is looking at recognizing that we have a lot of protection and dedicated right of of way but additional flex #b89 will allow the front line operators to get the most of out that system. one idea is that during a special event you can operate trains on the same track in each direction to clear out crowding and special event traffic that can effect the rest the system if we don't alleviate the acrowding in a timely manner. the fourth element, many are familiar with the [inaudible] lots of bikes and pedestrian activity there and
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what we hope is through the west portal project which we prioritized and identified to go out and do piloting of it hopefully in the near term, we can learn lesson squz try to apply those at church and [inaudible] so we don't chase or tail and not having a grab bag of improvements because that is a lot tough nutd to crack. we think there is a opportunity to learn from the west portal prom project what might be most effective there. we are trying to turn the dial some increment in the near term. the sfmta is developing our 5 year capital improvement program and these rail capacity strategy improvements were considered along with a host of other investments including muni forward, other major corridor improvements and spot improvements in the system. that is currentsly under way being drafted. there is a up coming webinar march 21 where
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folks can provide feedback as well as open house march 23 and 26 and preliminary funding the west portal and muni metro extension projects through construction have been identified for the next 5 years so we are looking to invest and find way tooz provide relief to our customers today. when we shifted thinking to the long term, we wanted to bring together not just the inhouse money and also key stakeholder jz people thinking about our system on a regular basis so we have a couple stakeholder workshops to bring ideas and how there may be solutions and where they think the city should invest first. we held a online forum for people it draw the map of the future and it is shown as a heat map where darker lines represent frequent
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requests or submission of rail portal and took this information back and tried to disstill the concept back to the 4 goals of crowding, coverage, reliability and travel time. looking at how concept said performed we developed tiers and the tiers were themeed around what the concepts deliver. tier 1 is not only delivering on all 4 goals but expansion into new areas or very significant enhancement but benefits to the existing system and currents riders. the easy line to point to is the [inaudible] in the southwest portion of the city and allows sfmta to operate 4 car lanes through the subway and deliver a lot or
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to castro and church and van ness where we see the most crowding so that is addressing a system wide issue as well as a local issue. tier 2 represented concepts with similar potential but still conceptual and will continue to do more thinking and seeing if the benefits stack up and tier 3 is essentially the investment you need to achieve the 4 goals. that is building up a network on the future and the coverage side represents high capacity service in a half mile. we feel pretty good about that and that is just on the rail side. any major rail investment also comes with a look at the bus system and how to improve access for everyone even though the improvement only occurs on a single
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corridor. these are a long list of concepts. how do we take the start of a conversation and muchb it forward? all the elements are already in consideration under the mtc core capacity transit study and that will-we should have preliminary findings later this summer. additionally, sfmta along with the planning department and transportation authority, office of economic and workforce development and mayors office are working on a long range transportation program. included is a robust outreach so we reflect the desires and need of the community in the long range thinking and these concept squz ideas will be incorporated into that as well. with that,- >> colleagues any questions or comments? thank you for the presentation. i think we are glad to hear there is a long term look
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and view on the action we need to take to improve the public transportation system and think all of us wishes we could see improvements sooner than later but think for your work on this. so, at this time then i will open up item 8 to public comment. seeing none public comment is closed. that was a information item so move to item 9 now. >> item 9, bay area rapid transit perk update. this is information item >> we have rien greene [inaudible] here. >> how is everybody doing. rien green 37 rks rosell to give a update about
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the bart incentive programs we call bart perks. i'm here to give a update of the status. you may have seen recent media about it because there fsh a update to bart boards so we wanted you to be informed of the status of the program as it evolves. going to the status of the scope task and where we are with developing the program. context on the program, i was here in september presenting a little on it so some may be familiar but the impsis is we have crowding on bart. the graphic is a illustration of the ridership growth in the peak direction in the transbay over the last 3 or so years. it has gone up to 20 thousand in 26 thousand in 3 years. ridership growth and bart is experiencing as a
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result of that very packed trains so the results are showing the national subway standard for train occupancy is 115 people per vehicle and bart is often experiencing loads of 140 per vehicle and where experience this every day so well aware it is packed like sardines. bart is working on several initiatives to address the problem in the medium and long term. you may have heard in the news the facktd new train cars are coming and will provide additional capacity but in the short term we are sunching is there anythingee can kooto relieve crowding for riders. also of great interest to us since this is a congestion problem. we are in conversation what we can do and intrigued by a pilot program in
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singapore where they reduced crowding on their transit system. so, moving to give a overview of the scope of the project, we are working on goals objectives and design incentive approach, developing the program methodology, determining how to configure the software and provide payment to the rider jz develop a marketing and employer outreach approach and splitting the responsibilities with bart so work closely with them on all the project tasks but [inaudible] outreach component of the program. bart is leading the development of the software. how the program will work and some have heard this before, but the idea will be that anybody riding bart can earn points for their trips on bart. i will skip ahead a little to explain it. and they will earn
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additional point for the travel in the shoulders of the peak period and use those points to cash out for rewards, specifically cash records through pay pal. that is a general scheme of how the program will work and right now we are working on refining the goals and objectives. as i mentioned, the top goal is really to reduce crowding and that comes back to trying to provide a better experience for riders. the taupe goal is engaging the public and providing a quality customer experience and making the most of available transbay capacity. we recognize that if the program is very successful it is possible if we free up capacity in the peak period some of that capacity can be back sold by other riders. we still consider that a success for the program because that is allowing optimal use of available transbay capacity and getting the most people through that
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capacity that we can. so, those are the two top goaloffs the program. as another top goal is evaluate whether the incentive base approach works. we tried a lot of different approaches or investigated a lot of different approaches and very intrigued whether this incentive based approach can be successful so that is a real important objective is find that out whether it is successful and cost effective and equitable and try to extrant lessoned learned. another important goal is increase employer support for flexible work schedules. we know this is a major constraint on travel. this is a survey we did at embarcadero and montgomery where we asked riders why they can't
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arrive at work before 7:30 or what are the barriers of presenting them to do that. most people said the pluralty of people said it is personal preference and prefer to travel in the peak period. twnt percent of people we talked to. another 20 percent said they are not allowed to and at work won't permit them to travel outside of the peak period so that is a barrier for people and want to try to address that with the program by work wg eemployers to work and encourage them to allow more flexibility for their employees. those are the goals and objective squz gave a preview oof the scheme to get more into this, the idea is that you earn points for your travel on bart. this graphic is illustrating the fact that generally you earn 1.per trip or per mile. we are
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leaning more towards mile at this point. say 1 point per mile in the travel but in the green bands we call the bonus hour which is shoulders of the peak period. you can earn up to 6 times that value so 6 points per mile and have the opportunity to cash out for a low dollar value or to use your points to play a gam in the application and you have the opportunities to win a higher dollar value by playing the game. does anybody have questions so far on the incentives approach? no? >> i think we are good. >> so, that's roughly how we expect it to work. also want to give a little overview of how we market the program, so our goal is to get up to 25 thousand people to sign up, that is what we hope for and do that by through a
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variety of channels so we work with employers to advertise through them and advertise directly folks coming outd of embarcadero and muntry and also use digital tis plain and doing social media oitreach and marketing and interfacing with the media to try to get the word out with the program. as i mentioned we plan to call it perks, this is the logo so look for that in the future. for the schedule we are in process to trying to prepare and expect to be able to launch sometime this spring and the initial phase runs for about 6 months after which we do evaluation and we also received another federal grant-i should have mention thd work is funded by a grant from f [inaudible] and bart but
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received a grant to extend the pilot from fta so extend for a couple additional month after the initial pilot period. i think this is something we want to watch closely. we are excited to see what we can learn from this as you all know we have acute congestion problems not just on bart but everywhere, muni and our roadways downtown and this approach, this incentive based approach is a palletable way to address the congestion problems we face, that is why we are very interested to see if this can work because it can have so many applications outside of the bart context. happy to take any questions you have about the program. >> thank you for this and all your work in thinking how to reduce congestion on bart. i think that is very exciting and look forward to see the results after the pilot has done to see if it changed behavior for riders.
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any questions or comments? seeing none we will open up to comment. public comment is closed and that was a information item so we'll move to itm 10 >> new item. >> seeing no new item-sorry, commissioner peskin. >> thank you madam chair. as i said in my earlier rarecollects i want to thank you for helping to phase the 4th phase of the broadway streetscape plan but the recent death in front of [inaudible] last friday reiterates chinatown needs to be ground zero for implementing vision zero. we have literally lost one life a year over the last 4 years in and around chinatown. i requested our staff work with
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sfmta staff to utilize our planning dollars so we can fully realize the recommendation in the chinatown neighborhood transportation plan, which was approved in july of last year and would like a update at the next meeting where we are with that. we can't afford to delay the plans so status report would be greatly appreciated. i want to chat about the [inaudible] bus yard. years ago in the early 2000's when i was last on this board working with the mta in partnership with citizens advisory committee process, we did a land use study on the kirkland bus yard and at that time the mta thought the bus yard would be sur plus to their needs and did studying whether we can utilize that as a affordable housing site. it is a huge site, 2.6 acres at the northern end of
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district 3 and thanks to the work of supervisor kim, the voters last year passed proposition k which requires the city to expand the affordable housing on public sur plus sites. unfortunately this site wasn't listed as a sur plus site. back in the day we realized we can build as much as 180 units of affordable housing at that site so today i request the ta build on these past studies in partnership with the mta and planning department to discuss feasibility of affordable housing on the site and examine the possibility of retaining a bus yard and building housing above and we should also look at recommendations for temporary relocation of the bus yard during construction should we get that far and 24 optimal unit mix to maximize
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affordable housing on the site. with the passage of prop a last november we have the opportunity to really make something of this site and want to thank you directors riscon and chang for the interest in the issue and would like to set our first meeting within the next few weeks begin working on the project. >> thank you commissioner peskin. commissioner cohen >> commissioner peskin, you mentioned that this particular piece of property wasn't identified through the proposal that supervisor kim brought to voters, can you explain why? >> so, i dont think anybody from the mta is here but oever the last quarter of a century at two different periods the mta determined the kirkland bus yard was sur plus to their needs and subsequently changed their mind about that actually in the last
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iteration matt ford was the director of the mta it was considered to be sur plus and realize would the coming with van ness brt they needed it again and hadn't thought that through so it isn't listed as sur plus because now the mta thinks they need the bus yard but i propose we explore the possibility of a bus yard with housing above. >> the reason and ask is it makes me wonder what other pieces of property are out there that the city ons that is unaccounted for. just food for thought. >> it was interesting-this is a divergence fl to the prop k thing but i laughed one of the ochbl properties that showed as sur plus is the fire chiefs house on bush street. >> thank you for your comments and commissioner peskin i would throw another thought in the mix. i have want vetted this with mta but hawj debate about the need for a
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training facility and there are concerns about us potentially entering into a 9 and a hamp year lease for 2.something million dollars without guaranteed certainty after that period of time and looking for a large space to have the new ones trained and retrained so i'll throw that into the mix as well for consideration. alright. looking at a picture here and feel it would be perfect with that but haven't spoken to hta. no other comments or questions we will move to public comment for item 10 and if you can speak about the new introduction item. >> good morning commissioners. [inaudible] very interesting item. the principles of 6 methodologies of [inaudible] one, political management and areas of national planning and strategies for managing the people. b,
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legislature for [inaudible] of civilized culture. c, judicial branch for [inaudible] military affairs [inaudible] a, [inaudible] b training the military force. c, using the military force and d [inaudible] number 3, [inaudible] also areas of a, making use of resources, b production, c making money and d, using of the money. number 4, religion in areas of a, establishment of the [inaudible] following the holy way. [inaudible] diversifyed pathway. 5, work on areas of understanding of loneliness
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[inaudible] >> i need you to comment specifically on the new introduction. we'll close public comment now and if you can call item 11. >> item 11, public comment. >> [inaudible] holy nature in creative expression [inaudible] fulfill ones destiny of loyalty and parental love [inaudible] the leadership to our people [inaudible] removal of
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all tragic disasters and difficulties [inaudible] about life and death as well as tragedy of war. [inaudible] should investigate upon studies of other [inaudible] holyness and [inaudible] extension to everything. [inaudible] >> alright, thank you any other members who wish to speak during public? seeing none public comment is closed. if you can call item 12? >> item 12, adjournment >> thank you this meeting is adjourned.
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[meeting adjourned]
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>> i would like to call to order, the finance committee to order. our chair, spurp mar will be here shortly, and i'm lon down breed and we are going to get this