tv Police Commission SFGTV October 31, 2020 12:00am-5:41am PDT
>> i am here. >> great. >> okay. as always, i would ask the presenters to give themselves on mute until you are allowed to speak. members of the public, please do the same. make sure any background noise is muted. the number to call in for public comment is for 156-15-0001. access code 1464888598. we will have two minutes for public comment. if you could please call the first one in. >> line item one. consent calendar. receive and take action.
>> motion to accept. >> so moved. >> i will second, sorry. [laughter] called the vote. >> the motion to accept the donation from -- >> did we take public comment on that first? i'm sorry. >> we will, yes, after the items >> okay. >> how do you vote? >> yes. [roll call] you have five yes. next is the police commission report for the report of 2020. i need a motion and a second.
[indiscernible] >> i wanted to ask a question on that. is that the one where they are resigning or quitting for september's report that we read? is that the same report? [indiscernible] [indiscernible] if this was on the consent calendar, why wasn't it a separate item, i guess? >> can you put it up on the screen? is that a option? >> i think it is the report where they were talking about the discipline cases and the
outcomes. >> three out of four the outcomes -- [indiscernible] i want to know what we are doing about that. i'm not sure it should be on the consent calendar. [indiscernible] i am assuming this report comes before the commission. i wanted to make sure that -- what we are doing about this. did we talk about how to flag it these charges will still follow them if they move. >> we talked about how we have the ability to remand to the chief and the chief pursues the
investigation to make a finding. >> and that is all we can do, right? >> that is all we can do. at this point we are waiting on to schedule for when the chief can come back and report on these findings. we did not want a significant loss, which is we don't -- even though these are no longer within our jurisdiction, the chief coming back and reporting the findings so the public understands what happened -- what is happening -- [indiscernible]. >> i agree. >> go ahead. john made a motion. thank you, commissioner. >> yeah,. i want to make sure this is just on for our acknowledgement. we are not doing anything with this. can you explain what the purpose
is for putting this on the agenda? >> it's a consent item. >> all we do is agree or disagree. this is why it should be a separate item so we can have these discussions and have the ability to follow up. >> we made it clear to the chief that we can't influence a decision one way or the other, but we would want follow-up on these cases and how the investigation is going. >> we won't get that information on a consent calendar. that's all i mean. let's put it as a separate item so we can follow up on it. >> can we put it on the agenda when it comes up for january or december and that will give the chief enough time? and he can give us a status on it. >> chief, we can talk about -- >> i agree that we need to get this back on calendar. i don't know where the chief is
in any of these investigations. we can certainly put it back on the agenda depending on the status of the resignation. absolutely. >> okay. i think we have a motion and a second. >> yes. >> let's call the vote. [roll call] >> we need to have public comment before the vote. >> for members who would like to comment on line item one on the calendar, please call the number
[indiscernible] >> commissioner, there is no public comment. >> next. >> i'm sorry. i'm wondering if miss cabrera can give guidance if what happens if a consent item doesn't pass since the commissioner has voted no. >> sure. it is the methodism to have items on the agenda. anyone commissioner can act on this. you can take it apart for the consent agenda. it is just to have something. usually it's something you have already given us. if you want to take it out, you can definitely do that and have
a separate discussion about it. >> okay. the trend is kind of broken down here. everyone can put their name in. if you could mute your microphone, please. i am not entirely sure of the purpose to have this on the consent calendar and what that does. what will we be voting on here? >> it is only meant for items that are routine. something that will not garner a lot at all. it is a mechanism used by most commissions to give something back. however, if it is an item that one commissioner would like to take off the consent calendar because they would like to have a discussion about it, you can do that without waiting for the next agenda.
you can take it out of the consent calendar and fully discuss it. >> i think that makes the most sense. these are issues that i think we all want follow-up on. there are things that show up on the agenda and this is one of them. i'm not even sure what it is or what the purpose is. it makes sense to have a more full discussion once investigation is over. >> you can always put this on as you are needed, which is on a future agenda calendar. there is nothing stopping that from happening. >> great. let's do that. >> okay. >> call the next line item. >> line a temp two. report for the diminished -- commission discussion. [laughter]. >> we need the chat. we need to go to the chat. >> i thought we had already dealt with that.
>> we are ready decided we would calendar this for january. is that right? >> we have moved it from the agenda. >> next line item. >> you have passed to accept the donation of the funds, correct? >> yes. >> call the next item. >> item two a, case report. provide an overview of offences recall -- happening in san francisco. this will include a brief overview of any un- -- [indiscernible] -- occurring in san francisco and having an impact on public safety. [indiscernible] it will be limited to
determining whether to calendar for future weeks. the presentation monthly update and the presentation of the collaborative reform initiative. [indiscernible] chief of staff hawkins is on the call. good evening. i want to start today's presentation with crime trends and then i will go into significant events. we will present the presentation for the month and i will present the monthly update last to close out the chief's presentation. crime wise we are, for the week, down 30%. year-to-date, we are down 24%. let me start with the violent crime. we have had a very busy week
with shootings and violent crime we are down for the week. we had a very busy weekend at a very busy week with shootings and a couple of homicides on friday. when comparing to 2019, we are down 21%. as i said, we had two homicides last week. it is equivalent of a 37% overall increase in homicides. we have -- we ended last year with 41 homicides which is a 50 year low and we are about to eclipse that this year. we have 41 homicides this year and 21 of them have been cleared i want to go into more detail about the gun violence over the past week. friday we had two homicides. in total, there were eight
shooting incidences last week which caused injury or death to nine victims. the district with the largest increase in gun violence are equal's i, which is double there gun related incidents this year. tenderloin, and the bayview. the bayview has nine more shooting incidences and the equivalent of a 29% increase compared to this time last year. the mission had six additional incidences. on the positive side, central has central has a 72% decrease. they only had two incidences this year compared to seven last year. northern district at a 40% district. ten last year and six this year. seven last year versus six this year. the taradale also had a slight decrease. specifically with this friday's incident, there were a couple of
shootings that were very concerning an problematic. the first was a multiple victim shooting on the 200 block of williams street and ingleside district. a vehicle drove northbound and went past -- a passenger fired numerous rounds at the victims who were in the garage. they were having a cookout outside of their garage area. officers were in the area and flagged down by witnesses. four victims in that shooting received -- if anyone has any
information, please call our tip line. it was 30 minutes before the one i talked about. the victim was standing near a vehicle when he was shot one time and hit the torso. officers responded and located the victim. the victim did not survive his injuries and was pronounced dead at san francisco hospital. in addition to that shooting, there was a block in the ingleside district were several people were hit. a victim was flagged down by a vehicle. they transported the victim to the hospital. two other shootings were gang-related. that is still under investigation and we are not, at this time, we don't have any suspects, although we did have
leads that we are pursuing. in addition to that, there were -- there was a shooting in the tenderloin area. this one was a robbery gone bad related to narcotics, we believe the suspect approached the victim who was in the act of selling narcotics. the suspect robbed the victim of his narcotics, pistol whipped him, then shot him in the torso. that victim will survive or is expected to survive. he was transported to the hospital. this occurred on grove street in the tenderloin. it was at eighth and market. we had not made an arrest on that. it was a very busy week.
our immediate response was putting resources in the area, particularly where the homicides occurred in the bayview and ingleside. we called in officers on an overtime basis throughout the weekend to supplement our patrol resources. the captains were involved in the coordination of resources and it did appear to have an impact and after friday we did not have shootings in those areas. we will continue to deploy, but the longer term strategy is to do outreach to the community and get the community mobilized. we need to pursue and identify the individuals who are getting guns on the streets. our deployment has been very robust since friday. we will try to sustain that as much as possible, but it is a very resource and overtime
extensive endeavour. it's worth it if we are going to save a few lives and keep people from getting shot. we will keep that going as long as we need to. in terms of property crime, our issue is still burglary. we are significantly up and burglaries. we have made impact arrests. a few of those individuals are still in custody and some have been released. it's a matter of identifying the prolific individuals that we believe are involved in these crimes and to keep that strategy going and we can hopefully make a dent in reducing the burglaries. all other property crimes are down significantly, including car break-ins which are down significantly from last year and the year before. other major events, and this one that we are about to report on
happened on saturday. we weren't able to get it on the agenda. i will be very brief. it was a newsworthy incident. on saturday, october 17th, they had a free-speech rally that began at the u.n. plaza. individuals attended who were speaking on free-speech. the topic they were supposedly speaking on -- within minutes of the rally beginning, a group through glass bottles, eggs, plastic bottles at the permitted presenters and it quickly turned to violence. one free-speech rally was assaulted. at the time, at that time, the rally was being made a public safety hazard. they shut down the event due to the violence that was occurring.
and as the participants left the area, several were aggressively attacked. several people sustained non life-threatening injuries, including one individual had a broken kneecap. there was also an officer assaulted in that an caustic clump -- chemicals were thrown at some of the participants and some of the officers were exposed to those chemicals as well. the officers were not seriously injured, thank goodness. it was a very tense situation. there was a man arrested in the city of oakland.
hate crime enhancement was also filed against this particular individual based on evidence uncovered in the investigation. that, thankfully ended up, other -- nobody else got seriously injured. it was a very tense and volatile situation. one other thing i want to address is that they are supporting the presenters and the people who are granted to permit on this particular event and it is a misrepresentation of what happened. what happened was you had people who were under attack and whose lives were in danger and our officers were keep people --
there to keep people safe and keep people in a position that is safe so they can extract individuals away from the situation and keep them from being harmed. i want to make sure that that information -- the record is set straight. our department is there to protect everybody and it doesn't matter what the political affiliations or ideology are. we are there to keep everybody safe. that is exactly what our officer did. the post caused post caused quite a bit of a. it's totally misleading. with that, that is all for this portion of the report. >> thank you. we have time for questions. the rally that you are talking about,.
[indiscernible] everyone is familiar with them. can you give us a sense, chief, because obviously i hear that the boards are coming to our city. that will be concerning to most citizens. this is not a group that advocates for peaceful nonviolence. they have a very inflammatory rhetoric about violence. so, can you explain what the standard is for folks like that getting a permit and if there's anything we can do -- my understanding is that, especially through the election, the plan is for these folks to show up in cities all across the country and intimidate folks to prevent folks from voting. there are reports of people, you know, with guns at polling sights. this is a group that has a very
specific image, for lack of a better word. they are not your grandma and grandpa hanging around the park. if you can explain for us what the process is and how this stuff works? >> yes. first and foremost, this event was a permitted event, so where individuals want to hold these activities, and if they do it the way that it is recommended to be done, they will request from the city and county of san francisco a permit. particularly in a public space such as united nations plaza. that permit was granted. there is no, you know, what they believe in or whatever their ideology or philosophy is. that is not factored in. we don't make that decision. i do know about the process.
>> that usually leads to violence. all these things are put into motion. it even -- even on saturday, there was still a violence confrontation, so at that point, we need to make a determination if it was an unlawful gathering and shut it down to keep people safe. on saturday, even after people were extracted, there was efforts to keep it peaceful. those situations are very volatile, but i think the main thing is, first amendment activity is protected in this city.
people have a right to express themselves and it, you know, what we don't tolerate is violence and people getting hurt, and we'll never tolerate that. so if people have an idea of having an event to have those things occur, we're going to put them down, and we're going to do our jobs in terms of keeping everybody safe and try to identify those that are violent and deal with them accordingly. arrest them if we can catch them in the act, and if we can't, do our follow-up investigation in this case and arrest them at that time. taylor thank you. commissioner hamasaki? >> commissioner hamasaki: yes. i think that commissioner taylor mostly covered my
concerns. i saw a number of posts from proud boys about coming to san francisco to revenge what happened last week or over the weekend, so i think it's been an ongoing concern of this commission is these weird groups affiliated with white supremacists and the trump administration that do pose a real clear and present danger, i think, to our city and our county and the people that live here. so i appreciate that you folks
are keeping an eye on them, and hope that we're equally prepared if they do decide to return and seek their revenge. >> thank you, commissioner. we are -- we plan to be prepared for whatever -- whatever happens. >> commissioner hamasaki: thank you. >> vice president taylor: thank you. next item -- or if you're done. i assume you're finished, chief. >> yes. commander o'sullivan will present the 1421 monthly update. >> vice president taylor: commander. >> hi. can you hear me? >> vice president taylor: yes. >> okay. so good evening, vice president
taylor, commissioners, and chief of staff sarah hawk. i am here to present the 1421 update. as we usually do, we will begin with some background. officer involved shootings s records relating to the reports, investigations, or findings related to an officer's discharge of a firearm at a person. number two, great bodily injury. records relating to the report, investigation, and/or findings regarding an officer's use of force that result in death or great bodily injury of a person, sexual assault, records relating to a sustained finding that an officer engaged in sexual assault involving a member of the public or dishonesty. records relating to a sustained finding that an officer was dishonest directly relating to the reporting, investigation, or prosecution of a crime or directly relating to the
reporting of or misconduct by another officer, including, but not limited to, any sustained finding of percentage, filing false reports, destruction, falsefying or concealing evidence. so with that said, since january 1, 2019, when the senate bill went into effect, the department has received 198 public record requests. for the period september 1 through september 30, which is our most recent reporting period, the department received five additional public records requests. the department produced 105 new released, and a release is defined as a production of records and/or a determination letter that indicates to the requester that the department has or has not responded to a disclosure of one or more items to a specific officer. two matters were closed, and
one additional request was released. i believe that was the mario woods shooting. we have released 37,727 officer related shooting pages. and this concludes my update. >> vice president taylor: thank you. next -- oh, commissioner elias? >> commissioner elias: thank you for the report, commander o'sullivan. can you also just give a brief update where we are on the on-line portal for the 1421? >> yeah. so we have posted -- i was there most recently this afternoon. we have posted some items there, great bodily injury items. we have also posted officer involved shooting related material. >> commissioner elias: thank you. >> you're welcome. >> vice president taylor: thank you. next item?
>> thank you, vice president taylor, and thank you, commander o'sullivan. next is the presentation of the monthly collaborative reform initiatives or c.r.i. updates, and i will put that on the screen. and while we're getting it on screen, i will mention to the commission, yesterday, the department was asked to give an update to the board of supervisors on collaborative reform, so myself and deputy chief yee and commander flaherty -- commander denise flaherty presented yesterday. it was about a 1:20
presentation, much longer than today. today's presentation, based on our last presentation last month, the piggyback that we received from the commission, hopefully is very succinct. some of the information is incorporated into this report, and it is the status of what has happened since the last report, and this report is as of october 15, so there has been some movement even since then, and that was six days ago, and there has been movement -- movement since then, but it's not in the report, but i'll describe the progress since october 15. so next -- first slide. this slide represents the four bars that you s-- represents - four graph that you see on the slide represents where things
lie, and then, the fifth category, which is progress, means we're actively working on it. of note, if you look at the trend line that substantial clie compliance, and this is from october 2019 to this october, you see an acceleration really starts in may, and as was stated in last -- yesterday's presentation to the board of supervisors, our cadence and rhythm has picked up. we believe we're going to complete about 120 actually by the beginning of next year, which will put us at about 234, the majority of the recommendations. so as you see this first slide, in september, there were seven recommendations moved into the substantial compliance category. as of october 15, there were
six additional recommendations moved into the substantial compliance category. as you move to the right, each category -- i described the prescreening process that we've developed with our collaborative partners, hillard hines, and the california d.o.j. and for those of you that might not remember, we've steam line -- what we've done to streamline the amount of time that it takes to get these reviews, the collaborators participate in a prescreening conference. when we think we're ready to go and everything has been completed, we'll consult with our consultant, and they'll review it and give us their feedback. and rather than this lengthy process of r.f.i. that we were doing before, we take it back and we fix it right there. so what this has done is accelerated the process greatly, and once -- our
experience has been is once they get to that review process, that external validation, we have not had any kickback with r.f.i.s because we've taken care of the concerns. we believe that this is a positive step to make this more of an expedited process. so 15 -- 15 different recommendations prosecute prescreened this month. as you can see, one in use of force, two in community policing, two in recruitment, hiring, and retention. next slide is the external review and external evaluation. so these are separate categories. we have 15 recommendations that are with hillard hines for general review, and that's the last step before they go to the california department of justice to be found in substantial compliance if they kplee agr
agree. so we have 15 with external review and 15 with the california department of justice external review for a total of 30. and when you add the 15 in prescreen, that's 45 recommendations that we hope to have in substantial compliance once it gets through that external validation process. the next few slides, i'm just going to go category by category in what's just happened in the last month. use of force, one recommendation since the last report has achieved substantial compliance. checks either external review or external compliance. if you want to actually look at what those recommendations are, the recommendation numbers are listed there. use of force is still our -- the category that we've made the most progress on, and we do believe by the time we roll around to next -- in the spring of next year, we'll have, in
the upper 80% of the use of force recommendation is actually in substantial compliance, which is very promising. accomplishments, this month, the i.a.d. unit order, the internal affairs division unit order requiring an annual training and audit of o.a.s. office be conducted by the officer in charge of o.i.d. the trent of the audit is to ensure completely, standardized o.i.d. files are in place. those are the highlights for use of force. the next slide, sergeant youngblood, is bias. as you can see, five recommendations since the last report have been put in either external review or external validation, and the recommendation numbers are listed there for you. five additional recommendations, as i stated before, have been prescreened, so those are about ready to go to external review. we are at basically 20%
substantial compliance in the bias category, and we are making significant movement on the -- between the runs that are in external review and the ones that have been prescreened. so we have a total of 54 recommendations. very important category, as they all are. revised, as they are, we need to move the needle on bias for being a bias free police department, and this category hopefully will get us -- well, it will get us going in the direction that we're going, but hopefully, those recommendations will get us going to the other things that have been problematic. next slide, community policing. community policing, we had five recommendations that achieve substantial compliance since the last report. they're listed there for you. an additional five recommendations are in external
review and external validation. we're at 55 is -- 65 recommendations, we're at 20%. that cadence has picked up significantly under the leadership of commander darryl fong. so promising. 1.08 adopt had a lot of recommendations tied to it, so really happy that the commission was able to approve that and move that forward, and that was a major accomplishment since the last reporting period. next slide, accountability. accountabilit accountabili accountability, 11 recommendations are in the external evaluation process. if you want to look forward into what those recommendations are. an additional two recommendations have been reported since the last
reporting period. commander flaherty has laid out a really promising plan to get her -- her accountability recommendation to substantial compliance. this one, we're really looking good on because we've made a substantial amount of compliance. one of the things that i'll take a moment to explain is the compliance measures. there's over 900 compliance measures. each one of the over 200 recommendations has several parts. as we move forward with hillard hines and the d.o.j., is we get feedback on the
measures. hin there's a significant amount of work that's been done, and we want to now start putting things in that context so the public and the commission understand that, you know, there are recommendations that we're not in substantial compliance, but there's a significant amount of work that's been done, and those compliance measures continue to get done and signed off. and once we get to the end of that list, then, we go to that external review, external validation period. so when we did an assessment, working with the consultants and did an assessment of our compliance measures, about two thirds of them have been completed. and some of those are wrapped up in recommendations that have already been found in substantial compliance, but others are already in progress. about two thirds of the 900-plus compliance measures have been completed. so definitely, we have more
work to do, but it just highlights the progress. as you all know, some of these recommendations take longer than others. but the sense of urgency is there. we are committed to the 120 that we believe we can get to, and hopefully, there'll be a few more than that as we move forward, but there's those 120. the last slide is just an abbreviated timeline. it's just a timeline of this process, where we started, kind of significant milestones and where we are now. as i said, since october 15, there have been other recommendations found in substantial compliance. so as of today, we're at 86 that we've heard from, the california department of justice. 86 are in substantial compliance. and there are 122 inclusive of
the 86, 122 that we have completed, so the balance of the 122 and the 86 are the ones that are in either external validation or external review. so again, progress is being made, and that progress is being separated from the first year of this work, and we're committed to finishing every one of the 272 recommendations. so that is the report from this month. i'll take any questions that you have. >> vice president taylor: thank you. commissioner elias? >> commissioner elias: thank you for the update, chief, and i was able to watch your presentation before the board yesterday, and as i indicated earlier, you did a fantastic job. one of the things that i'm going to ask the next time you report is that i think you should also report to us what steps the department is taking to be self-sufficient, and what
we're going to do when hillard hines and the d.o.j. are no longer here. yesterday, the board was very concerned with the $1.25 million that's been paid to them, and the additional $600,000, and they indicated they may not be able to be with us through the long stretch. so i think it's important for us to show the public or the department to show this is what we've learned from the experience and this is what we're going to do once they're gone because they're not going to be with us forever, so i think these are things that you should address during the next presentation. >> thank you for that. that is really important, and i talked about that pretty extensively yesterday, but i'll incorporate that into this report, as well. >> vice president taylor: thank you, chief. >> thank you. >> vice president taylor: next item? >> clerk: next item, d.p.a. director's report.
report on recent d.p.a. activities and announcements. d.p.a.s report will be limited to a brief description of d.p.a. activities and announcements. commission discussion will be limited to determining whether to calendar any of the issues raised for a future meeting. presentation of d.p.a.s use of force data audit. >> [inaudible] i'll start out with a brief overview of our stats. as of this point in 2020, we have opened 665 cases. that is in comparison to 598 at the same time in 2019. we've closed 718 cases as compared to 518 in 2019. we currently have 377 cases pending, compared to 392 in 2019. we have 29 cases that are past the 270-day point compared to
32 in 2019. of those 29 cases, 16 are tolled, which means that there are pending civil or criminal actions involved. other cases are delayed because they require extensive investigations. to date this year, we've mediated 32 cases. at the same time last year, we had mediated 27 cases. we currently have 36 cases that are pending before the chief, and 13 cases that are pending with the commission. moving onto our 1421 update, with regard to officer involved shootings category, we've disclosed eight separate cases totaling roughly 17,500 pages of records. in the category of great bodily injury or use of force with great bodily injury, we've disclosed 51 cases, all of these are available on our
website through our on-line portal. and members of the public can make requests there or review our previous disclosures at that location. in terms of outreach, yesterday and today, we participanted with s.f. youth offenders in a virtual panel. on the 22nd, we are hosting a local government panel event. also, on october 22, we're hosting an oversight investigator panel series, which will include investigators were d.p.h., park police, and oakland. on the 27, we are hosting mediation 101 for community members, and on the 29, we're hosting our annual mediation conference that will involve our mediators involved in our program. recently, we submitted a
program for students in the master of public policy and master of public affairs to apply. if our policy proposal is accepted, we will have people working on starting in spring of 2021. we have up next our audit presentation, which will be handled by steve flaherty from our office. flaher . >> good evening, commissioners. my name is steve flaherty, and i'm the director of audits for the department of police accountability. [inaudible] with the office of city controller city auditor's
divisio this audit was conducted in accord jaens with generally accepted government auditing standards. these standards require we pla -- we believe that the evidence obtained provides a reasonable basis for the findings and conclusions in tonight's presentation. next slide, please. issuance of the final report was preceded by the issuance of an interim report in december 2019. this report focused on the police department's 96-a and early intervention system quarterly reports, their compliance with reporting mandates, and their alignment with best practices for reporting data. the results of the interim report were presented at the police commission on february 5 of this year. tonight's audit, the final report, is divided into three chapters with a total of 18 findings and 37 recommendations for the police department to
improve and strengthen its use of force and reporting data complex processes, its analysis of the collected use of force data, and the reporting of the use of force data. it also contains six appendices, the results of an officer mindset survey concerning use of force, data from district supervisor interviews, examples of how use of force data can be analyzed, and lastly, the police department's written response to the audit. next slide, please. as an overview of tonight's presentation, we will recap the scope and objectives of the audits, discuss the audit's methodology, and our post audit follow up and address any questions you may have concerning the reports. next slide, please.
this audit was performed to fulfill t fulfill [inaudible] we selected this topic because accurate and competencesive data is necessary to provide transparent and he on use of force to the public, assistant policy decisions, and factors that contribute to the officer's decision of use of force. next slide, please. the overall objective of the audit was to assess the effectiveness of the [inaudible] next slide, please this slide provides an overview of our audit methodology. the audit of review of data from 2017. our analysis was based on a
statistically significant random sample with a 97% confidence that reviewing the entire population would the same results within a 5% margin of error. to assess whether unreported force occurred, we reviewed a sample of 269 out of 188 incidents from 2017 with substance resistance but no reported use of force. we verified the incidents, discussed in the media, the use of firearms discharged by the firearms review board. we verified that all incidents in the statistically signature sample -- significant sample of use of force log pages for the department's ten district stations were in the use of force database. we selected a sample of 300 -- of 1,364 total incidents with reported uses of force for 2017 so assess the accuracy of
recorded data. we also requested and received a court order from the san francisco juvenile court e enabling the audit team to include juvenile records for testing. this includes that data is statistically diverse. we also interviewed 19 sergeants and nine lieutenants who supervise officers of the ten district stations and two specialty divisions on their understanding of use of force policies and procedures and experience in evaluating use of force. we issued a survey to all active sworn officers of the police departments. of the 2,000 plus department members to whom the survey was sent, we received 428 responses, which is roughly 18% of the department. next slide, please. this slide provides an overview
of our audit find beings. the audit had three main findings that provide a basis for the report's three chapters. our first is with the exception of a few errors, officers report force reasonably and accurately in accordance with their department's protocol. the next few slides, we'll go into further detail on each finding. next slide, please. for the first main finding, in chapter 1, we report that the police department has an effective approach for collecting use of force data, but that the department needs to improve its guidance and processes to achieve better accuracy and completeness. based on our testing, we found four sources of errors that led to force being underreported,
incidents into the use of force database. the police department did not produce up to 6% of the required use of force documentation, including use of force evaluation forms, station force log pages, and force log entries. this is covered in finding 1.4 on page 38. the department did not explain why it could not find any of the missing pages or log forms for the incident where the department reported a use of force occurred. for the missing log entries, there were no corresponding entries in the use of force database, however, it was impossible to know if use of force incidents occurred in these weeks. the question has come up --
however, when the department reports force broken-down by different demographics or categories, either could result in this misleading information. the low error rates only moderately detract from the department's external use of force reporting. because use of force is an early indicator in the department's use of force reporting system, each trigger can be an early flag of an
e.i.s. alert. underreporting could cause an officer who should have been flagged to be overlooked and not receive the guidance and supports that are needed. conversely, over reporting could generate false alerts that then must be reviewed by supervisors, taking time away from their other duties. the record does not acknowledge that after our audit period, the police department did issue a new policy requiring officers to report the physical will control holds used to overcome any physical resistance regardless of any injury of faint or pain. next slide, please. with that, i'll hand it over to cat to discuss the next few
slides. sorry, cat. are you there? >> sorry. i was muted. so the second chapter of the report focuses on what the police department did with this data when it's collected, and what was found is that the department can do more analysis in certain areas. so the first one i'm going to touch on is monitoring department wide compliance with policy. for example, there's a lot of different aspects of the policy that could be monitored through the data department wide. and through its evaluation process, the department does monitor compliance with these things on a case by case basis, but it doesn't -- but there is
no way to report out that compliance to this commission or to any other stakeholders on a department wide level. the policy requires that the officer reports the force to his supervisor immediately, the supervisor evaluates the force, and then, it goes to the second in command at that station for review, and then, it goes to the commander. then, it gets routed to various places, including the risk management office, where it is entered into the database. so the timeline on this affects how quickly it gets entered
into the database, and it can impact whether or not it meets cutoff for public reporting and whether or not it's included in the database for the early intervention system. so this is something that could be collected easily across the department because we're already reporting the data. so the way that officers respond to the scene, in our statistical sample, only 1% -- oh, sorry. and the ratings with supervisors and rear -- superior officers review the incident. and the rate at which supervisors and officers and superior officers complete
evaluations by the end of watch, which is set out in the policy. and our findings looking at our statistical sample is that 1% of the evaluations that we looked at did not have the two reviews. it did not have both a lieutenant and a captain signing the document. 22% of the reviewer's signatures were not dated, so we have no idea of how much time elapsed between the incident occurring and the review happened. in our analysis, we were able to do that because we ma'amly recorded, as part of our review, the signature information, but the department would not be able to easily do
this because that review and significant data is on the form, but it is not entered into a data basis to facilitate analysis and identify trends. next slide, please. for example, a question -- a research question you might ask of this data is what relationship do levels of force and resistance have on subject analysis or injury? in spokane, washington, the police department worked with a company to do analysis on their data, and they developed a couple of measures that look at this issue. so one of them is a force factor. the force factors are score based on the proportionality of force to resistance. so a high force factor would be that higher level of force was used than the level of
resistance would typically warrant and a low force factor would belower force was used than the level of resistance. they took this factor that they calculated based on the levels of resistance and force reported, and they also looked at how that intersected with the injuries a suspect sustained and the injuries that officers sustained. and logically found that more injuries happened when there was a high force factor with subjects. and this is a -- something that's important to point out because a lot of the information that gets reported out by use of force is numbers in total, but it's not looking at intersections of what that data really means. so one of the barriers that the department has with doing this kind of analysis is staff that it needs -- it requires staff
needing to code the data and analyzing the intersection between these data points. next slide, please. the final area we wanted to discuss is to gain insights into the role bias plays in force. so some examples of questions that we could pose are disparities and severity of force correlate to subject's demographic. so not just looking at, is one population more strongly impacted -- does one population experience more force but also is the level of force applied in that population more severe than in other populations? another example we found -- and these examples are in the reports detailed in the
appendices of the analysis examples, and they're coming from some national agencies that do a lot of statistical research and reporting out on these issues. so the second issue is are officers more likely to use force before being attacked when faced with a subject of a particular demographic group. where this came from is a study that looked at a few different locations. but one example, for instance, was in houston, and they looked at whether latinx officers and white officers were more likely to use force and did not find a statistical difference. but when they looked at when those officers were sent into neighborhoods that were predominantly latinx neighborhoods, that white officers were far more likely
to use force. these are incidents that i talked about in the last slide that applied into the world of bias. and the final example i have here is what role do officers play in their use of force, and it's kind of related to the last one in that not just looking at reporting out the rates of the officers and the rates of the subject but how do those play together? what are those intersections? and so the barrier system of this analysis is some of the data is not systematically collected. one population is the population with mental disorders, and the police department collects whether or not someone appears to be under the influence of drugs or alcohol but does not track developmental disabilities and that kind of information. and staff is needed to code data and analyze the
intersections between data points as previously mentioned. next slide. >> so in chapter 3, we discuss the police department's publicly issued use of force reports. the department found that the audit reports need improveme s improvements. the exhibit shown on the slide is from the interim report. from that report, you might remember that 96-a met some of the best practices for reporting, but the e.i.s. did not meet any of those requirements. chapter 3 is largely similar to the e.i.r. report that we presented in february, but they're also different.
it features different examples of how jurisdictions provide use of force data to the public. some of these visual examples are seen on exhibit 26 on page 64 of the reports. we provide visual examples of use of force data sets made available through open data portals in other cities. also include the incident dates, the call type, and the type of force used in the incident. they also include the subject's
race, ethnicity, and these are listed on page 68 of the report. the third difference between the interim report and the final report, this chapter, the police department did not fully comply with its urequirements regarding use of force reporting. they do not contain any analysis of the data in the reports. further, the police department has not provided an annual use of force report to the police commission as required by d.g.o. 5.01. with regard to the monthly reports that were required, these were posted in 2017. an average of 74 days after the month of the report had ended. the monthly use of force reports contain only raw data of select few extracted from the database. although not in the scope of the data period, it appears
that the police department stops reporting the required use of force reports after 2018. so the audit made 37 recommendations to the police department. the police department's response to the recommendations is tached to the reports. the police department concurred or partially concurred with all 37 of the recommendations. d.p.a. and the police department regarded 27 of the recommendations as closed,
meaning, they considered the recommendations and made the changes. in emergency ro in terms of next steps, the controller's office and d.p.a. will work with the police department. the police department will be requested to communicate in writing the status of the implementation of the corrective actions to d.p.a. and the controller's office. we'll be happy to come back in six month time and present on that if you'd like. >> vice president taylor: yes, thank you. sorry. i thought you were -- >> we'd be happy to answer any questions you do have on the audit. >> vice president taylor: we'll be asking you to come back as the department reports back on the recommendation. if you'd come back and report to the commission, that would be very helpful. commissioner elias. >> commissioner elias: thank you. it is clear that this audit is
extensive, and i appreciate the controller's efforts in getting this to us. i note this report was from 2017, and you were going to come back in six months and report to us, but i'm hoping that y when you come back in six months, the data that you'll be reporting on is more recent. would that be a fair assessment? >> in terms of the follow up, it'll be on the status of the follow ups' recommendations. in terms of the more detailed field follow up in the future, that is something we would like to do. >> commissioner elias: okay. and the -- i notice that when i read your powerpoint as well as the 100-page report you had indicated, you spoke a little bit about missing data sets from the department, and i'm wondering what those missing
data sets were and why they weren't provided to you? >> sure. >> would you like me to skip to that page? >> sure. i apologize. my camera is not working. it nearly crashed the presentation, but go ahead, cat. >> so they were saying that they could not provide them. at some point, some of these documents definitely existed. the evaluation forms are the source data for the database, so for the entry to be in the database, the evaluation form had to be completed and submitted to the information office, but at some point, it was moved and is not available. since then, my understanding is that the risk management office now attaches the digital copy of those documents to the file -- to the record in the database so that can't happen
again. as far as the log pages in the log entry film -- so when we say log pages, we asked for all the weeks of logs for all the stations, and some of them could not be provided. some of them, we did find in d.p.a.s records, and they just had an x. for them to indicate that there was -- x through them to indicate that there was no use of force that week, so they were just sending a blank page. so we suspect that the majority of the log pages may be in that category of there was no use of force reported at that station, and one of the recommendations is to ensure that all stations indicated to the risk management office indicated that no use of force occurred, so there's an explanation as to why there's no use of force log pages for that week. the other ones that are
missing, and the entries that we found in the database did not have log entry, we do not know why they were missing, but as far as the missing entries go, if you look in the department of justice recommendations, there's a recommendation to basically digitize this process and getting rid of the log because it's dumb atiff. we do not recommend that because we were finding discrepancies of the system, and that digitizing of this process has happened yet. there was an indication from the department of justice that this log on top of the evaluation form is source of a duplication of efforts, and the evaluation form is the more
important piece. the logs have very, very little information in them. those are the only things that are missing. there were some places that did not have entries in the database. is that the part you -- would you like me to discuss that in a little more detail? >> commissioner elias: no. i want to circle back to what you had initially said. when you said the realtiuation form, you're speaking about the supervisory forms after a use of force. when there's any use of force, the officer reports it, and then, that report goes to the supervisor, and the supervisor has to conduct an evaluation form regarding the officer's use of force. >> correct. >> commissioner elias: and that form, which i have reviewed, and i see that it's on your powerpoint on page 6, it indicates that there are 1369 supervisor evaluation forms. and on that form, there is data
that indicates whether the supervisor found the officer's conduct to be in policy or out of policy or if it was appropriate or not appropriate. and so one of the questions that i had asked the department is out of those forms, how many times have supervisors found that the officer's conduct has been in policy or out of policy? and unfortunately, they didn't have those numbers readily available, but i think that speaks to your audit and some of the concerns that you've raised in your audit, which is we're collecting the data, but we're not understanding it or having it in a centralized place, which is something that i've been working with the department on. i hope that the next time you come to report to us in six months, some of the changes that we've been working on will be implemented, and i'd like
you to report back on those to make sure that we're going in the right direction. >> sure. i can also speak to that in. our testing, the answer is zero. [inaudible]. >> zero evaluation forms were marked as not in policy. however, there is a caveat. that mark off was changed through the course of the evaluations because it had a yes or no option initially, and the problem was that the timeline required for getting this form through the process is very, very fast. and in some cases, like, with bigger incidents, making that determination is not something that they can do on the fly. it's something that requires more people to be involved, so
the form has an option of yes in policy, no, not in policy, and pending investigation. the ones that we did review with the subject matter experts aligned with that, but there's also -- that's not necessarily the best place to collect that piece of information because some of these investigations of the bigger incidents can't be done in the timeline of when that form has to be completed, and that's why it's under the formal investigations. >> commissioner elias: and maybe, chief, you can speak to those missing data sets and the changes that the department is going to make or has made to address some of the issues that are raised in this audit by d.p.a. and the controller's
office. >> thanks, commissioner. so yes. the first thing that was just mentioned is the -- what cass mentioned about the three categories, on having the form under investigation, that's consistent with the use of force changes with the commission -- the leadership -- that's actually changed in the policy, as well. so that form will be consistent with the policy that's being to be implemented, which is a good thing. in terms of the -- the recommendation, i think it's recommendation 5, which we agree with, and it's just a matter of making it happen. i think it goes in line with the work that commander o'sullivan is doing through risk management so actually have -- not only to collect information, but to have a dashboard and database to be
able to report out on that information. so that's definitely in progress, in the works, and subsequent reports by the controller's office, we can confirm that that's been done. >> commissioner elias: i'd just like to make sure when d.p.a. and the controller's office comes back in six months, i know we changed the policy information when it comes to us othus -- use of force. i think it's really important that we're looking at that data. -- out of the 1600 evaluation forms, and not one of them was found out of policy, mathematically, that's a little strange to me, so i want to make sure that that's an area that's covered. on that question, chief, it
seems as if the issue was investigations were still pending. so if that's the case, we should make that a little bit clearer when you come back with this new change. it would be good to know, if that makes a little more sense. i don't want to interrupt you if you're not done, but it sounds as it -- >> vice president taylor: i don't want to interrupt you if you're not done, but if you are, i'll call the next line item. >> clerk: item 2-c, commission reports. commission reports will be limited to a brief description of activities and announcements. commission discussion will be limited to determining whether to calendar any of the issues raced for a future commission
meeting. >> vice president taylor: i don't see any hands. next item -- oh, commissioner elias? >> commissioner elias: there's three things that i would like to agenda -- to put on the commission calendar. the first one, i will do, the veronese report, so if we could get that set for january, just for a status, i'd like that added. additionally, i'd like the d.g.o. 5.003 agendized for the first week of december. that'll give us time to work out the language. there's a disagreement in the language, but we need to get it moving, and we need to get it on calendar, so i'm going to ask to have that calendared in december because it's just been too long. the third thing is i'd like to agenda ey agendize is the public defender's letter to the
commission on september 20, 2020. i'd like to agendize that so that we can address that letter in public and in the open, so these are the three things i'm asking be agendized. >> vice president taylor: commissioner dejesus? >> commissioner dejesus: so if i read it right, the thing regarding officer involved shootings and closed sessions. if i read it correctly, the last item said we don't necessarily have to have it in closed session, we could have it in closed session, so i would like to agendize we can do that, if we wanted to do that, and how we would go about making those o.i.s.s in open session.
>> vice president taylor: okay. anyone else? i see no other hands, so next line item. >> clerk: public comment. public comment on-line item 1. at this time, the public is welcome to comment on-line item 1 -- sorry, line item 2. 415-655-0001, access code 146-488-8598, press pound, and pound again, then star, three to enter the queue. >> vice president taylor:
commissioner, you have one public comment. >> vice president taylor: okay. good evening, caller. >> can you hear me? >> clerk: good eng othvening, caller. you have two minutes. >> hello. can you hear me? >> hi. this is paulette brown. my son was murdered august 14, 2006. still looking for justice for my son. i still haven't found out the way to -- you guys can use the overhead, and i don't know if the public can be able to use that, so i don't know to go about that. i also misplaced the number you gave me last time, and i was wondering if i could get it back. >> vice president taylor: i'll probably it to the commission staff, miss brown. as for the overhead, there's no
way we can do that for the live meetings. unfortunately, we don't have a mechanism for that. >> oh, okay. because i just wanted to show you the information of the things i was speaking about in our last conversation concerning the feds. so okay. well, if you can just give me that number again, and maybe yours, so i can talk with you offline. >> vice president taylor: there's nothing -- not anything that i'm going to be able to do about this, but i gave you the number for federal law enforcement, and i would really urge you to use it. but i would provide that to the commission staff again and make sure that you have it. >> how do i get it then? >> vice president taylor: i'll provide it to the commission staff. sergeant youngblood, do you want to get it -- i don't know if you've ever spoken to sergeant youngblood, miss brown.
>> yes, i have. >> vice president taylor: okay. we'll get it to you. >> okay. if you'd put a shoutout about my son, i'd appreciate it. >> vice president taylor: if anyone else has any information on aubrey's murder, please call the tip line at 415-475-4444. >> thank you. >> vice president taylor: thank you. >> clerk: we have one more caller. good evening, caller. you have two minutes. >> okay. that means me. it's not very clear. i tried to get in under item number two, but my other phone apparently doesn't work with your system. but i did file a complaint. i'm a senior citizen. never been arrested, never filed a complaint before, and a
couple of comments about that. first of all, i listened to the meeting a week ago, and the d.p.a. director seemed really pleased that so many cases had been cleared, which seems to me to be the wrong approach. he should be boasting about the number of problems resolved, and so he seems to be off base on that. i filed a complaint, received a disposition notice, which said i had ten days to respond. problem was, i did respond within ten days and was ignored by the d.p.a.
in reading the disposition notice, i noted that it was dated four days before it was sent to me, so that reduced the response time by almost half, so that seemed to be almost a shenanigan there. i'd like to still be able to respond to the disposition. many of the complaint items i made, i mentioned were not addressed in the disposition, and speaking of excessive force, one of the issues was -- >> clerk: good evening, caller. you have two minutes. >> hello? >> clerk: good evening, caller.
you have two minutes. >> hi. my name is danielle harris. i'm a managing attorney with the s.f. public defender's office. i watched the press conference of this last monday, and watched the video of the officers shooting an inventoto vargas, and then them yelling and screaming at him as he lay dying. i understand it will take months, if not years, before a final determination is announced. the decision has already been made that this homicide, a person killing a person, is within policy. if the police can fail to make even a single calm attempt with an obviously unstable person
and instead provoke him aggressively and kill him, there's something wrong with the policy. we need urgent policy overhaul. commissioners, chief scott, my office stands ready to do that in any way so that no family goes through what so many have, no untrained police officers go through what so many have, and the public is no longer traumatized by these events and divided so thoroughly. i look forward to continuing the conversation. thank you. >> vice president taylor: thank you. chief lieutenant hawkins, i
think you had a comment? >> yeah. the previous public commenter, you can call our office and ask for sarah hawkins, and i will connect him with the investigator who handled his case so that we can address the issues that he raised this evening. >> vice president taylor: okay. do we have any other callers? >> clerk: we have one last caller. >> hi. it sounds like many commissioners had the opportunity to watch the conversation yesterday between chief scott and the board of supervisors. as part of that overall presentation, [inaudible] in black community made a presentation that revealed that looking at per capita data, sfpd is heavily targeting black residents of san francisco, especially use of force but
also with arrests and, you know, stopping people while driving. and i was hoping that today's result, this body was going to take a moment to calendar a presentation and discussion of that really important information even as the c.r.i. process rolls forward, if those basic facts don't change, this body and the agency is failing. so i'm asking you, what will you be doing with that data? thank you. >> vice president taylor: thank you. next comment? >> clerk: that was the end of public comment. >> vice president taylor: okay. next line item? >> clerk: line item 4. public comment on all matters pertaining to item 6 below, closed session, including public comment on item 5, vote whether to hold item 6 in closed session. anyone would like to make public comment on items 5 and 6, please press star, three now
or dial 415-655-0001 and enter 146-488-8598. and there is no public comment. >> vice president taylor: okay. next line item? >> clerk: line item 5, vote on whether to hold item 6 is closed session. san francisco administrative code 67.10, action. >> vice president taylor: is there a motion? >> motion -- >> commissioner brookter: second. >>. >> clerk: all right. on the motion to hold closed session -- [roll call]
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buying your first home is a big deal. for many of us, it's the single largest asset that we'll own. that's why it's really important to plan ahead for property taxes so that there are no surprises. a typical question new homeowners ask is what is a supplemental tax. so understand supplemental tax, we need to start with proposition 13. under california's prop 13 law, the value we use to calculate your property tax is limited to a 2% growth peryear, but when ownership changes, prop 13 requires that we set a properties assessed value to market value. the difference in value between the previous owner's value and the new value is the supplemental assessment. how does the supplemental assessment translate to the tax you need to pay? supplemental tax is calculated by applying the tax rate to the value and then prorating it for the amount of time that you owned it in that tax year. in generale, the tax rate is roughly 1%. let's walk-through an example
together. here dan is the original owner of a home with a prop 13 protected value of $400,000. with a tax rate of 1%, he pays $4,000. dan sells his home to jennie at a market rate of $700,000. in this case, jennie's home will be reassessed to $700,000, and jennie is responsible for paying property taxes at that level from the time she first owns it. many times, people might have already paid their property taxes in full by the time they sell their home. in that case, dan has paid $4,000 in taxes already for the full year. jennie would likely payback dan through escrow for her share of the $4,000, depending on the proportion of the tax year she owns the home. however, she's also responsible for paying taxes at the higher market value from when she begins to own the home. how does that work? let's say jennie owns the property for nine months of the
first tax year, which is approximately 75% of the year. during the escrow process, she'd pay dan back 75% of the $4,000 he already paid, which is $3,000. on top of that, she would owe taxes at the higher rate for the proportion of the year she owned the house. in this case, she owes the amount not already billed through dan or $700,000 minus $400,000, multiplied by a tax rate of 1%, and multiplied again by 75% to reflect the time she owned the home in that tax year. here, jennie's supplemental tax is roughly $2,250. going forward, jennie will be billed at her new reset prop 13 value. are you still with us? if this isn't complicated enough, some new owners might
receive two supplemental tax bills, and this has to do with the date that you transfer property. but before we get to that, you first need to understand two concepts. first, what is a fiscal year? in california, local government runs on a fiscal year. unlike the calendar year, where the year begins on january 1, a fiscal year begins in the middle of the year, on july 1. property tax follows the fiscal year cycle. second, state law requires property be valued as of january 1 every year, in other words, new year's day. the value as of january 1 is used to calculate property taxes for the upcoming fiscal year. this means property value as of january 1, 2018 will be usedtor fiscal year 18 -- used for fiscal year 18-19 covering july 2018 through june 2019. similarly, the value of january 1, 2019 will be used for the fiscal year covering july 2019
through june 2020. now back to whether you should expect to receive one or two supplemental tax bills. the rule of thumb is that if the property transfers happens in the first half of the fiscal year, in other words between july and december, then you should expect only one supplemental tax fill. if the transfer happens in the second half of the fiscal year or between january and june, you should expect two supplemental tax bills. here's the reason why. using dan and jennie's example again, dan's $400,000 value as of january 1 is used to set the tax bill for the following fiscal year beginning july through june of the next year. jennie buys the property from dan in october. the taxable value is reset to $700,000 as of october, but the bill issued still reflects dan's lower value. in this case, jennie would expect to receive one supplemental or catch-up bill to capture the difference between her assessed value and
began's fr began's -- dan's from october through june. because of january 1 we already know of the sale, we would have used the following year to set jennie's property taxes and no other supplemental bill should be received. however, if dan sells the property to jennie in march, instead, jennie should expect two supplemental bills. like before, jennie would receive one supplemental bill to cover the time in which she owned the home in the current tax year from march to june. but because as of the next january used to set the tax base for the following tax year, dan still owned the home, the following year's entire bill still reflects the values not updated for jennie. in this instance, jennie receives a second supplemental for the following year covering july through june. after the supplemental tax bills, new owners should receive only one regular tax bill peryear going forward. remember our office values the properties, but billing and
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impacted the schedule, policies and the provisions of services for san francisco unified school district, and the city college of san francisco. the approach that sfsud and ccff are exercising to protect both students and the staff during the pandemic and how the schools are continuing to serve the students and families, especially those that are most marginalized. the members of the public who wish to provide public comment on this item should call the number streaming on your screen. again that number is 1-(415)-655-0001. and the meeting i.d. is 1466150520. press pound and pound again. and if you have not done so already, please press star, 3, to line up to speak. the system prompt will indicate that you have raised your hand. please wait until the system indicates that you have been unmuted and you may begin your comments when we get to public comment. mr. chair? >> supervisor haney: thank you, madam clerk. i am going to provide a brief introduction to this item and
what i hope that we can accomplish and focus on as a committee today. and i also want to thank all of the representatives of the various institutions, the trustees and the commissioners and the supervisors, and the staff from the institutions and departments who are here and for all of your hard work. i welcome the members of the public who may be tuning into this committee for first time or are returning to join us for this important conversation. and this is a unique committee structure and it's the only one in our city where we have representatives of the school board and the supervisors sitting together. we have been hearing this item every two weeks and using this space as an opportunity to provide updates, to get information and to answer questions and to focus on the
solutions. these are obviously unprecedented, deeply challenging times for our school district and for our -- for our city college, and for our children and families. and today we are going to focus specifically on the issue of re-opening schools. we are going to have a time for city college to provide a brief presentation to start out, but our focus today is going to be sfsud's plans, their progress on developing a plan for reopening schools and how the city can support these efforts. what we do know is that this is not something that our schools can do our their own. all of us have to step up, all of our city departments, all of our health response, all of the members of the board of supervisors, the mayor, everyone has to step up and to support our schools in this endeavor.
it is not something that they can do alone. i have been in touch with all of the school board members, the city, staff, the school district staff, and what is clear is that everybody needs more support. and if we're going to do this -- i should say when we are going to do this, it's going to take more support from the city. and i hope that today we can focus on those solutions and those opportunities and those needs and solve some problems here. and i -- i heard that at our last meeting as well as from the committee members is that is really where they'd like to us focus. so we are going to have -- as i said -- we'll have a brief presentation from city college. then we're going to hear from the department of public health. and we have asked them to focus on how to support the schools and the school district and in some of their needs, particularly around testing. then we'll hear from sfsud. and sfsud is going to have a shorter presentation. they did a longer one obviously
at the school board meeting. and we really want to be able to use our time with them with d.p.h. still here, and other city representatives still here, focusing on what level of support that they need to be able to open safely because we know that it's something that needs to happen. it will happen. and it needs to happen with the support of all of us. so we're also going to hear from usef, susan solomon, the president is here. and we'll also have time to present and offer the prospective of our educators. so with that, if it makes sense to all of you, i would like to first to allow city college to come forward and to present. they have a quick presentation. then we'll go into the bulk of our conversation today which is on reopening plans for sfsud and what support the city can
provide to make sure that is done quickly and safely. any of my -- if it's all right i would prefer that we go ahead and have city college present. and so i assume that any other comments that commissioners would have is for the reopening so let's save that to that part of the conversation. let's bring forward the city college of san francisco for their update. >> thank you so much, supervisor haney. good morning, everybody. i'm tom bogell with city college of san francisco. as the supervisor mentioned a very brief update with where we are with our covid response. we have resumed limited in-person activities in a number of different areas. or we are within a few days of resuming. in terms of instruction, we have instruction in the following areas that are ocean and the
imaging program, both of our nursing programs, dental assisting and a variety of programs within our health care technology area. you know, for example, medical assistance. and our program that we operate in partnership with the city over at the evan center. they have their -- our current cohort of city college students set to the complete this program next week. and we have also resumed limited in-person non-credit registration at our campuses. these registration activities are targeted to non credited students, who may need additional assistance in getting started with us. we have provided free flu shots to our credit and non-credit students and these are rotating through a number of our different campuses and one of
the exciting things about this is that some of our allied health students are getting clinical experience in administering the shots at these. and we have also resumed some contactless distribution of the library materials, including books and computers and reserve materials. we have a few other areas of contactless distribution as well, including our art and cinema departments. and our schedule of classes is progressing. we expect to publish our schedule of classes on-9th and begin priority register on november 30th. we have a continued focus on remote instruction and student services. this is in keeping with the guidance that the students of higher education, us and others, have gotten from the san francisco department of public health. they have certainly emphasized that if there are classes and activities that we can do remotely, we should do them remotely that. said, we are working on expanding our in-person
instructional activities to the other areas of the college where in-person instruction would be beneficial. you can see a number of the areas listed here. this doesn't necessarily mean that we're going to just be back in all of our chemistry classes and we'll be back running normally. we are going to have -- but we're going to look to have some in-person lab activities in cohorts and, you know, on certain days of the week. and we will, of course, also be continuing in-person instruction and registration activities that we have already done. and with that i'll be happy to take any questions. >> supervisor haney: thank you. i appreciate that and i appreciate a quick to the point update. are there any questions for city college? all right. does not look like it.
committee members, last chance here for any questions or comments for city college. all right. well, thank you. i appreciate it. >> thank you so much, i appreciate the time. i appreciate the opportunity. >> supervisor haney: that's in and out quickly. >> i know that you have other items to focus on so we wanted to be brief. >> supervisor haney: great, great, thank you. so next we're going to hear from d.p.h. and as i had mentioned, we do want to hear general updates, but also specifically on what support can be provided for the school district and the thinking that and the conversation and the collaboration that is taking place with d.p.h. in terms of supporting our reopening plans for sfsud. and i also see that director carol is here as well. so we have both our guests from
d.p.h. and mary ellen carol from the covid command center. >> good morning, hi, everyone. i am mary ellen carol. i don't (indiscernible) for me and for you. i'm with the department of emergency management. i have been leading the covid response with my excelled department heads but with the responsibility in particular of the operations out of the covid command since we started in march. i'm here to just to talk a little bit about the overall command response and, anna, who many of you know, is really the hero and the person that i really want you to hear from. i'm not sure that -- we do have
and if we could just forward to the next slide we can get started. thank you so much. and so, again, i'm here representing the covid command center, and the work that we have done in support of sfsud. we have been and continue to be committed to supporting sfsud during this global pandemic. we fully support safer school openings and especially for the students of sfsud. covid command has successfully supported the opening of a number of key student, youth serving programs. these include child care centers, summer camps over the summer, currently community hubs, out-of-school time programs and higher education programs, including city college which has been, you know, a real
pleasure to help and to see the success to help city college. our covid command, what we do is provide technical enhanced hands on support to sfsud. this includes regular, mostly weekly meetings with staff, providing guidance and directives. providing recommended -- recommendations on testing, labs, offering mobile testing resources, and training staff on contact tracing and much more that anna will speak to. at this point i will turn it over to anna to continue the presentation. >> thank you, maryellen. next slide, please. so the schools and child care hub is the entity at covid command that is responsible for fostering the prevention and the mitigation efforts. we have three main functions.
we are responsible for the reopening and ongoing operations of k-12 schools. we are the entity that receives and reviews all of the reopening applications that consist of three parts, including the plan review, a facilities plan review, and then in-person on-site assessment of the building and the prevention measures that are in place. as well as monitoring complaints after schools reopen. we also provide community support, including receiving and responding to community and stakeholder questions, and organizing regular meetings and webinars of stakeholder groups. as maryellen had indicated we meet weekly with the school district staff to help to support with covid-19 prevention mitigation efforts. and, lastly, our hub is also responsible for exposure, investigation, for child care,
for community hubs, higher-ed. and we work with these institutions and we help them when there is a result of a positive test or a possible symptomatic or a close contact and to help them to figure out next steps. next slide, please. with respect to testing this is information from our school's directive that allows the schools to reopen. just to provide a definition, a school-based adult is all teachers and staff that work in a school setting. so each school-based adult must be tested within -- ideally within seven days but no more than 14 days before first returning to in-person on-site instruction. afterwards each school-based result must be tested, 100% of the teachers and the staff must be tested at least every two
months after returning to work. and this is -- item number 2 here is a state requirement. item number 1 is an additional requirement that the san francisco department of public health added. just to be clear we are including recommendations from the state and adding extra safety measures. number three is that we are asking every school to maintain the log of the testing of all school-based adults. this is to make sure that 100% of the staff is being tested over the course of two months. and that we can track the results. and number four, the schools must immediately contact our hub within an hour to report any positive or any inconclusive test results so that we can assist the school site on next steps. next slide, please. in terms of testing scenarios, there are actually four different testing scenarios that
we deal with, with a site such as the school, and supporting the school district. in the top left corner is what we call asymptomatic routine testing and what we sometimes call surveillance testing. this is what i had alluded to earlier of the teachers and staff getting tested prior to return and then tested every two months. if the school is collecting tuition, we ask them to work with a contracted lab provider. if the school does not collect tuition, we ask them to either consider contracted lab provider or use a primary care provider. it is important to note that teachers and staff are considered essential workers by the state department of managed care and all tests for essential workers are covered by health insurance. and they are now testing labs that offer services and bill
directly to health insurance providers and, therefore, it is a zero financial cost to a school or a school district to work with these lab providers. and it's important to note that at least three bay area county offices of education have signed contracts with the lab that provides these services such as curative and the model that they have used is that the test is done on-site. the a swab to the cheek. it is a proctored exam. and that is it needs someone to watch that the test results are done properly, the person does not have to be a medical professional. they just have to go through a training. and then to send the test results off to the lab which the results are processed within one or two days.
and the test results are sent back to the h.r. system. so that is why the county offices of education in the bay area have signed these types of contracts. >> can i clarify a question there. so is it the -- the school district staff that are doing the tests themselves? is that what you're saying? >> it is the self-administered test where they do a swab to their own cheek. and then they put it into a tube and then they get packaged off. so, yes, the person itself -- the person does the test themselves. >> supervisor haney: and then the school district is contracted directly with a lab that they're sending this to? >> yes, because the results go back to the h.r. department of the contracting entity. >> supervisor haney: got it, got it. please continue. >> the top right side is testing
in case someone is experiencing symptoms. this includes teachers, staff and students. and this is also covered by health insurance and so we encourage everyone to go to their primary care provider. but we also offer services in san francisco, like city test, and these now have started to -- i'm sorry -- having included testing of minors at these sites as well. moving on to the bottom left quadrant is exposure testing. this is testing if one is considered a close contact. this is, again, for teachers, staff and students. so we are contact tracers in covid command and we would refer the testing to the local primary
care provider or any of our alternative testing sites within san francisco. or city tests. especially if they get their health care outside of san francisco because we want to track the test results as fast as possible. covid command, depending on the scale of the positive results, could offer field testing at a school if there is -- at least three pods or cohorts that have to close within 14 days to prevent and tha facilitate a provincial outbreak investigation. and the last quadrant is in case that there is an outbreak or a lot of positive tests we would go into a school and do school-wide testing, either using a contracted lab or through covid command, depending on the resource availability and
the scale of the outbreak. and that is the end of our slides and we are happy to take any questions. thank you. >> supervisor haney: great. i'll call on supervisor ronen in a second. i just want to ask another clarifying question here. so in terms of the testing, the asymptomatic routine testing that you would -- you are recommending that the school districts set up, other school districts have contracted directly with these vendors. do you -- does d.p.h. take a more proactive role than that, is that something that you help to facilitate? is that something that you support in any way? or are just are saying that the school district should go and to set this up on their own? >> the model that has been used in the bay area, and santa clara, san ma mateo and alameda
counties have had through the county offices of education and the county offices of education are providing these services for all of their school districts. in san francisco we have one public school district, so san francisco unified is the county office of education. we have been communicating with the school districts about this kind of model of a contract. the way that it is set up in the other counties is that the health officer is what they call an ordering provider. so that there's a medical professional that orders the tests to be administered. but that is the only role of the public health department because the results go to the h.r. system and it really should be the entity that is -- it has the employees that sets up the contract. >> supervisor haney: got it, great. i have some other thoughts and questions but i'll go to the supervisors who are in the queue. supervisor ronen?
>> supervisor ronen: thank you, chair haney, and thank you, anna, for this. this is all news to me and i guess that my first question is to -- through the chair to commissioners moliga and collins, were you aware of all of this set-up that other counties were at no cost setting up contracts with a vendor who would charge the health insurance provider? and that the city was willing to do testing for any school employee at city tests that did not have insurance? were either of you made aware of that, through the chair. >> i'll answer. i have been answering questions about this over the summer in the town hall meetings. this was a question that came up
from staff who did our staff town hall meetings and d.p.h. explicitly said -- teachers were saying, look, it's something like 40% and i don't have the data but like 40% of our staff live outside of san francisco and they were initially saying -- this is over the summer and as you know things have changed rapidly, right, but that we were hearing that -- that anybody could get tested at a site. but then staff said what about all of the folks who live in oakland or east bay that commute, will we be tested? and the answer was, no. so i don't -- you know, i think that -- i have not heard of this and i know that i'm not -- unfortunately, mr. sanchez is teaching right now and can't be in those meetings. and he's more in those direct conversations and i think that it would be helpful to talk to our staff. but this has been what i have --
i can speak to what i have been hearing is that the testing is an issue as far as staff because we don't -- you know, the staff doesn't feel safe. and i personally as a parent don't feel safe with once every two months kind of monitoring. and so we need to have a system of testing that is more regular as you have been advocating, even for the hubs, right? we want more ongoing and regular testing of staff. and my understanding is that cost is a factor because a lot of times that it has relied on insurance. you know, and so -- and negotiating that. there hasn't been a way for them to streamline how this might happen. so if this is, you know, i guess that there's -- there's the testing of staff, and there's also for me a question of testing of students because i'm hearing that at some of the hubs -- so that's another testing issue that may be driving the cost kind of questions and then there's also the question that
she also raises, you know, the whole school, you know, like what happens if the school is identified. and so all of those are complicated. i guess what i want to say is those are all complicated factors and i don't want to conflate one with the other when it comes to testing. >> supervisor ronen: and the reason that i asked this question is because i watched the school board -- after our board meeting on tuesday and around 10:00, i immediately got on the school board meeting and watched. meeting that none of this was explained and it appeared from the school board meeting that the costs was the overwhelming factor and setting it up and that d.p.h. wasn't helping and today we're hearing this and i'm blown away because you don't know as our commissioners -- >> i'm hearing two different things as well, yes. >> supervisor ronen: yeah. and we don't know as the joint
select committee. and the last thing that the rean the newspaper is that each test would cost $300. so i'm calling dr. colfax and talking to the city about a supplemental -- like, how can we pay for these tests to get it safe. and what i'm hearing today for the first time is that a alameda and the others figured it out that it's completely free to set up this scenario, that the health insurance will pay for it, and if any city staff -- and frequency is another issue to talk about -- but i'm just talking about cost and the system. and that -- that -- insurance pays for it and there's no upfront cost for sfsud if they're insured. it's not that the city is offering to test any staff with a city test which i've gone to several times and is the easiest, you know, most fabulous system. you drive up in your car if you
have a car and you walk up if you don't and they quickly test you and you're done within two minutes and you get your test results within 24 hours. it's amazing. none of this has been told to any of us and it's used as a major excuse, at least on tuesday, why we can't open to cohorts. so if the sfsud staff, can you explain why all of this has not been told to your own governing board and the city and county of san francisco, and instead have been used as a major excuse for not being able to open up schools to the first cohort of pre-k students and students with severe disabilities that desperately need to get back to school? i'm waiting for a school district staff to explain why we haven't been told about this option. >> so let me make sure -- so i
think that we have chief -- who is -- i think that deputy superintendent lee is on. >> i'm on. >> great. >> we're both here. >> okay, great. >> i guess i would invite chief smith to lead off. >> sure. so thank you for the question. so at the board meeting we did talk about the billing and it was one of the conversations that came up. but we did mention that the billing isn't -- it seems to be taken care of because we can bill through -- they can be billed. we talked about that d.p.h. has offered to support us on the exposure and the symptomatic testing. we were talking more about the whole operationalizing and the staffing costs for the
surveillance testing as being something that has been challenging. and the coordination of it. so i apologize if that wasn't clear at the board meeting or we haven't mentioned it before. because we did meet -- and also on tuesday we had the board meeting on wednesday and thursday and we had two meetings with alameda county and again with the controller's office and with d.p.h., so that a lot has happened in the 48 hours since the board meeting. and d.p.h. also has provided actually a lot of clarity to us today in this presentation based on other conversations. so we have been working under the assumption -- and i believe that i said this on tuesday, that the symptomatic and the exposure testing was something that we could refer families to their primary care physicians for or they could go to the city testing sites. and then for the surveillance
testing which is the return to work there was that -- we would be setting those up at our own school sites and having to staff them ourselves as supervisor haney was in his questions to her and was explaining that sort of process. >> supervisor ronen: okay, wait, i'm sorry. so you are saying -- these are self-administered test, so why is there a staffing issue? >> because people have to proctor it. the person has to be registered and we have to get consent and -- i guess it's what happens when you go to the city test sites. you have to make sure that the bar code matches and that the person is given -- the person does the self-admi administeredd it goes into a box or a kit and that has to be fedexed to the lab. so there's a process. people can't just walk up and do that all themselves to make sure that all the information is getting back to where it needs to. this is at least how we
understand it from talking to other counties. >> supervisor ronen: where are you setting up this similar contract with the name curative? >> so it's not -- >> supervisor ronen: san theyo and santa clara and alameda have already set up. >> i don't believe that it's a contract, and we would have to pay them -- (indiscernible) it's an agreement. and so we just -- again, we met on wednesday, our legal counsel, we are in process of it right as we speak. so i can't tell you exactly where we are in it, but this is something that we are looking at very seriously. and then we're also trying to figure out when we can have the process that we will follow and who will staff the site. >> supervisor ronen: again, i -- okay -- so you're saying that
the -- the law to enter into an agreement that three other counties have entered into with curative who does free testing -- so money is not an issue for the school district. is that you don't have a staff member who can be there while the teacher or the educator self swabs and puts their swab in a thing and then hands it in to make sure that it's in the right bottle, is that what you're telling me? >> prity much. and also i want to say they haven't started the actual testing in these counties. like alameda county doesn't have agreement with their labor partners yet to start the testing. they're hoping that this happens by next week. so that is some of the things that we're also -- >> supervisor ronen: let me explain where my frustration lies. my frustration lies in that on
tuesday -- so three days ago -- you gave the impression to the school board and to the hundreds or thousands of parents that were watching, that a major impediment -- why we cannot open this year with the schools to the most -- to the kids who most desperately need it is testing. and now we are learning two days later that three other counties are on the edge of figuring this out and that money is not the issue, which appeared on tuesday was the major issue and i'm like ready to call philanthropists to pay for it and i'm talking to the mayor's office to did a supplemental to pay for it. and i'm finding out for the first time and it appear appeart your own school board members are finding out for the first time that this possibility that exists and the only thing standing in our way is a few
logistics about getting a self-administered test into a tube correctly and then transfer it to the company. am i understanding this correctly? is there something that i'm missing here? >> i -- okay -- so i don't want to -- i think that what you are saying on a very high level basis is what we are attempting to do and, yes, it is more complicated than how you are describing it. and not only testing -- testing is one big thing that we're trying to figure out. we are also labor partner agreements were another item that we also mentioned on tuesday as an area. and we don't know if there are costs to administer -- that's what we have to understand -- there is no cost for the test kits, but there will be costs associated to operationalizing and setting up the sites, making sure that the test results go to
h.r. the way they're supposed to. we get the information and all of that. and i did say on tuesday that the test kit, the cost for the testing, the kits and all of that and the lab analysis was not something that we were talking about in terms of costs. we were talking about the management of a surveillance testing system, system on th syc exposure, that involves a lot of staff time and who are those staff and what do we take away from the in-person learning. like, we're just trying to figure out our staffing resources and how we redirect them to do that and hoping that we would be able to have outside resources to support us in the management and the operationalizing, not on purchasing test kits or analyzing tests. >> supervisor haney: i see that the deputy superintendent wants to jump in. >> thank you, supervisor, and i just wanted to make an
observation for supervisor ronen's questions that i believe that mele, correct me if i'm wrong, i believe that our understanding and our awareness of this model, including this particular organization and company and the partnerships explored in alameda county initially and the other two counties is a very recent conversation. our staff, especially mele and i see daniel from h.r. is also on the call, we are working really diligently to explore this very model. but it is happening very quickly and it is very recent. so i just wanted to say, supervisor ronen, this is not something that we have known about for, you know, months. and we are moving slowly to find
out about, we're moving really quickly and having multiple meetings a week. sometimes multiple meetings a day, including meetings with the city partners and the controller's office and d.p.h., and it is all, as i understand it, a fairly recent set of events that have occurred. and i understand what you're pointing out about the presentation on tuesday night. there was a lot of ground covered and perhaps this should have been covered in more detail. but there is a lot of active fact finding that is taking place right now, in particular with respect to this organization and the model that these other counties are exploring. they're a little bit ahead of us, you're right, but we are moving quickly to catch up as fast as possible. >> supervisor ronen: i think this is really part of the transparency issue that i feel that is -- this is my personal opinion -- that has been problem
at wick the district. -- proble problematic with the district. i have been trying for months to figure out how the city could step in and help and to be supportive of the district in the opening in phases, starting with the 2a group. and then also meeting with the very important conditions that we all agree that make perfect sense and must be met before we enter. and every single time that i ask questions about what's going on in each one and what is blocking it in all seven conditions so we can step in and provide assistance -- whether it's financial, technical, or, you know, staffing, all of the abovy details. we don't have those details for you. we haven't had them in last two
joint select committees and i haven't been able to get them off-line. i tried to get on the committee that you and ana speak about to learn details there so it would be helpful, and it has been impossible to find out what the detailed challenges are so that we could collectively work together to solve those challenges. and to perhaps to do one of the most important things that we could do for the city and county of san francisco right now, which is to get those kids back. and up until today my understanding from all of the public information in the news, and to the presentations that have been done here at joint select and at the school board on tuesday, with my conversations on a regular basis with all of the school board
members, is that a major, major issue has been financially, that the district that we all know is severely underfunded. we absolutely need prop 15, we need prop j. we all stand with you in our outrage about the underfunding which is why we're all willing, you know, chair haney said it at the beginning that this is all of our responsibilities and we all need to step up to fix this. but when you don't share the information with us, when you don't explain what the challenges are so that we can help to fix them, that becomes impossible. and i -- i just cannot believe that we have this model that is implemented in our three surrounding counties that won't cost us a cent, and that we are just now learning about it when on tuesday -- and correct me if i'm wrong -- but in the part of
the presentation that i witnessed, and maybe i didn't witness the whole thing so i could be wrong -- testing was presented as one of the major, major impediments to not being able to open this year. >> supervisor ronen, can i get to the other folks? we have a long stack here. >> supervisor ronen: yeah, but i want an answer to my question. >> supervisor haney: okay. >> supervisor ronen:or my comment. >> i am sorry, supervisor haney, i can mention three things and then hopefully this will satisfy supervisor ronen. so we have shared a plan. we shared our needs with the department of public health and the department of public health covid school group. dr. matthews has shared that plan this morning with the chief of staff, mayor's chief of staff this morning. so we have provided that information in different areas. and then -- sorry, i lost my train of thought -- and then on tuesday, again, i don't know which part -- and you may have
heard the part where dr. matthews mentioned that our labor agreements and our testing plans are two of the areas that are big, big pieces of work that are going to take more effort than we -- are going to take more effort than where we are today, where we were on tuesday. but we did say a number of times that it wasn't the cost of the actual testing, it was the operationalizing and the management of the entire surveillance program, the surveillance that is symptomatic exposure, and we talked about getting this right because the last thing that we want to do is to open schools and not have good systems in place and have to close them down again. because that is very challenging for everybody and that we don't want to do that. we want them to be places where we can open them and we can continue to phase and to continue to welcome more students back to our schools. so i don't know if that will satisfy you. >> supervisor ronen: will you be presenting what superintendent matthews presented to the
mayor's chief of staff today in this meeting? because that's information that i have been waiting for for months. if not, can i get a briefing? because i have been asking for that information for months. >> yeah, we were going to do a much broader on all of the different areas that we're working on but, certainly, we can follow up with you on that specific testing plan. >> supervisor ronen: no, no. you said that today -- or yesterday -- that supervisor matthews met with the mayor's chief of staff to present all of the -- >> no, no. >> supervisor ronen: all of the needs that the district has. >> no, i said that he sent the testing plan needs that we shared with d.p.h. with the mayor's chief of staff this morning. not everything that we need. just around testing. >> supervisor haney: are you finished -- >> supervisor ronen: i have a million other questions but feel free to move on.
>> supervisor haney: okay, supervisor fewer. and just so folks are clear, so d.p.h. is here and you can ask the questions of sfsud but sfsud has a whole presentation and they'll come up after this. >> supervisor fewer: sure. so my question to d.p.h., d.p.h. have you actually been -- you said that you had these meetings on a weekly basis and sometimes with sfsud. so has this information been relayed to sfsud about the neighboring counties that are doing this testing, that people can be billed directly? have you actually given that information to the board of education? >> we have not given that information to the board of education. we have given that information to the school district staff. >> supervisor fewer: okay. it seems that there's a glitch with communication. i think that maybe you should be c.c.king every member of the board if it's just
informational, because it seems as though there's a little disconnect about what the board is hearing and maybe what d.p.h. is giving. then i want to just say, sfsud, do you have a plan to open? so i haven't heard to say well, you know, we're going to open k-2, or we're going to open k-3. or we're going to open -- do you have a plan to open? and if you have a plan to open, what is the plan? and, again, how can we help? and then i have another question and this is for probably public health is and maybe for maryellen is that we have now been operating these community hubs. and have we had any positive cases? have we had outbreaks? what have we learned about the safety protocols of these community hubs? what is working and what is not working? is this something that we can duplicate to give confidence also that our schools -- we can actually do this safely?
so i guess that is just kind of -- for the city folks and then for sfsud, do you even have a plan to open? do you have a goal? and what is that goal? and what is that timeline? because actually i haven't heard that at any of these meetings. i have heard that there are challenges and we can't do this, this is really hard, but do you have an actual goal and a timeline that you can actually tell us. and also parents and their children when they can plan to be open, when they can actually plan that they have been telling their bosses that we can't go into work, and i have to be home with my kids. so is there a plan, and what is that timeline for the plan? >> thank you, supervisor fewer. that is the subject or certainly
related to the presentation that we are prepared to make, certainly, when the next item comes up. and to just put that out, i don't think we're going to give you as definitive an answer as you're asking for, but we do have information that is related to those questions. >> supervisor fewer: so deputy superintendent, why is there not a goal or a plan that has been decided upon with the board of education about when we would open and whom we should open for, and how we will gradually decide to open? why is there not a plan for that? i think that we've been going around in circles for months and months and months and we were trending, you know, orange and we're going to be trending yellow, hopefully we'll be trending green. i mean, as we are getting to be in a safer environment to actually to expose more people to each other, i think that why
wouldn't there be a plan that actually coordinates and is aligned to this further opening? when we are opening up playgrounds, when we have community hubs, i mean, like why -- why hasn't the board of education -- and maybe ask the board members this -- why haven't you voted on a plan or come together as a board to say that we will have k-2 open, by february 1st? and then everything has to get into place to make sure that happens. and then what is the next phase. why are we not seeing a plan like that? i think that this is the kind of thing that we who sit here at this board, and also those of us who have served on the board of education are anxious to help. i am the chair of the budget, i know where the money goes and i feel that there's money that we could be pulling out to be put towards this. and if you are talking simply -- if we're going to talk for the next three meetings about how
we're going to get staff to actually collect the tests and put it into a fedex envelope, i just think that this is something that is just ridiculous, that we would spend so much time on. if you have extra staff at your school, if your wellness centers aren't open and you have staff paying to be at wellness centers now, could they be trained to do that? that is h.r.'s job and why isn't your h.r. job doing that at sfsud? that is your purview. you need to say -- h.r. needs to say this is what it would take and this the amount of people that it takes to do this well and to make sure that everyone is safe and that we're complying with the public health guidelines. it is your h.r. department that needs to come to the city and the county of san francisco and say, so we have so many personnel that can do this, but we are lacking this number of personnel to do it well. and then we need extra funding or people that can be emergency disaster workers in the school district and how we can partner
with that. but when you don't come to us with a plan, we -- again -- again, we don't have that information. your h.r. department has that information. they're the ones who should be saying if we're going to be doing this testing, it isn't in isolation with just the board and, you know, mele's department, it is really in conjunction with your h.r. department. give us those numbers. how many people are available to actually do this and could be trained to do this and to do it well? and then how many people does it take, how many people do you have on staff to do it, where is the gap, where can the city fill in with the gap? that's the question. i just sort of -- i feel for us to be discussing that particular thing, i don't want to just spend like two or three meetings discussing that because we're just going -- that's a perfect example of that is out of our purview, and that is within your purview at sfsud. you have your own h.r. person and your h.r. person should be doing this and then giving us the information about how we can
help. i just want to say that if you don't have a plan to open even pre-k through two, and as we trend better and better numbers in san francisco, this is a missed opportunity to be educating our students. i went to community learning hubs, i want to say, that it is heartbreaking. it made me realize that there is no substitution -- and i feel for the teachers too -- i want them to be safe. so what is it going to take? and i'm just kind of done with going in circles around things that are not within our purview with sfsud and helping you guys to figure it out when you have a whole -- a whole school system and a bureaucracy with the h.r. department, administrators, blah, blah, blah, that you could figure this out. where we come in as -- after you figured it out and you need help to do it, tell us. where's the help that you need?
because i think that you have a majority of people on this board that actually are willing to help in any way possible to get this moving. thanks. >> i appreciate that, supervisor. and i guess that i would just ask for us to be able to go through the presentation that we came with and as i said it does connect to our plans for sure. and the criteria that we think that need to be in place for us to gradually reopen as we definitely want to do, but only as the conditions that allow us to do so safely permit. and so i anticipate that the committee members will have questions as we go through the presentation. but i think that some of the information that you're seeking will be addressed in that presentation. >> supervisor haney: i do think,
supervisor fewer, that there was a question in there for d.p.h. as well about any numbers or data of -- from the hubs and the experience in the hubs. certainly, i see that director sue is here as well and we should have more from the last few weeks or months on (indiscernible) what kind of reporting do we have on that. >> supervisor fewer: yeah. great. >> i can answer that quickly but i'd like to ask director sue to speak to the community hubs more that we have had with some individual cases at some of the hubs. they have all been individual cases and there's been no clusters. there has been no outbreaks at any of the community hubs. and we take that as evidence that the prevention measures that we have put in place for the community hubs have been
working such as wearing face coverings and staying six feet apart, and washing your hands, adequate ventilation. all of those measures seem to help facilitate the stand up of the community hubs. i'll turn this over to maria. >> actually, i was going to say the exact same thing. we do not -- sorry -- we do not have any breakouts, outbreaks in the community hubs. and we are enforcing very strict d.p.h. guidelines at the hubs. and that has proven that we can do this safely. we are working very closely with upsf to study the safety protocols that we have in place at all of the hubs. once again, it's about facial coverings, physical distancing, frequent hand washing and
hygiene, and stable small cohorts. it's been shown that we have been doing this since mid-march and we have not had outbreaks in any of our children's programs. >> supervisor fewer: okay, through the chair, i think that it is great information to know that we can actually open up these community hub settings which children are all learning sort of together and we can do it in a really safe way as long as we have protocols in place. and i just want to say that as a caveat that we may have to have more stricter protocols if we were to open the schools because there will be more children for a longer period of time too. so got it. thank you very much. i think that is super helpful. thank you. >> supervisor haney: and just as a related thing for d.p.h., have we also been tracking or monitoring private schools? and if there's been any outbreaks there?
or any learning that is happening from the other institutions of similar types that are opening? >> yes, of course, we are -- we track all of the sites that we're working with, child care, summer camps, school-time programs. any of the schools that are opening, they are slowly opening, starting this month. there have been a small handful of cases. some of them have been false positives. so we are working hard to make sure that it is actually a true case. there has been no clusters and no outbreaks at any of these sites. >> supervisor haney: great. all right. commissioner moliga. >> commissioner moliga: thank you, chair haney.
i want to first say that i appreciate everybody putting energy into this. i know that it hasn't been easy for, you know, our educators and our staff and our school board members and i know that a lot of people on this call are also parents. so people are looking at it from that perspective as well. and, you know, i know that everyone is thinking about the kids. so i just wanted to say that first and foremost. and so i appreciate, you know, everyone coming to the table and wanting to really figure out this issue around covid. it is the number one issue that is currently needing support. and i say that humbly as a commission and representing across city hall. we need support from the city and county. we do need support from the department of public health. as you guys all know we're a school district, right? so this is a territory that we have never, ever, ever in the
history of san francisco gone down. so we don't have doctors on sites, right, we don't have people that have an expertise in this realm. we don't really -- we don't have the professional scales to be able to put this together, right? and i know that to speak on our behalf, i know that folks are trying, trying really hard. so i don't think that the effort is the issue here for us. i think that, you know, the issue is very clear, right, we need support. i was watching over the d.p.h., you know, the presentation and i did have a couple of questions. and so, you know, i was briefed on the current conversations going on with d.p.h. and, you know, the folks brought me up to speed this week in terms of the process. and the testing, you know, strategies that are in place. but i am still a little concerned because it sounds like
there was -- what, one or two options provided on the table, right? and i know that al maido and san mateo and san jose, they have, you know, they have their process going on, but i'm just curious, is there any other models, from what i hear with my conversations with other districts and other states is that some of the states have actually picked up the whole entire testing process for school districts. some of the cities have actually picked up the tab for the testing process so that the schools don't have to worry about it. so i'm just curious like to hear from our folks at d.p.h. or public health, you know, do you all feel like picking up the testing process and letting sfsud to focus on how to keep the schools up and running in terms of curriculum and the teachers back in class and getting the m.o.u.s going, is that a lift that the city and count kedo?
county can do? or is it something that you don't feel that it's an option with capacity funding? i'm curious. because it sounds like there's a direction, right, and from my understanding that still needs to be approved, right. so a curative is like, hey, we're not going to pick up that -- it's not a contract for that work, then we're back at the table and having to put together our own r.f.p., which going back to my earlier point we don't have the expertise and we're not doctors and this is not our field, right? so i'm asking you all as the people that have been doing this since march, right, are there any other options that you could put on the table, including picking up the whole testing process for the school district? >> i'm going to defer to director carroll to answer this question. >> hi, thank you, thank you for the question. and ana is not able to answer that question and, frankly, i can't answer that question on behalf of the city or the department of public health at
this point. but certainly what i will say is that we are open to -- and we have been working with the school district to talk about various options and we'll continue to do that. as the curative model of which seems to be the only model now that that could change is one that does -- there are logistical supports that do need to be in place but i don't think that that should be a barrier to considering that option. and we are certainly happy to be in the conversation with the school district to see how we work together. but as far as, you know, picking up the entire tab for testing, that is something that i can't answer, commit to at this point. but we will -- we are happy to continue to work together. and there are -- and i do think
that we need to consider these other options, like the curative, because there isn't a price to that. and we in san francisco have put an enormous amount of resources into testing, more than really any other jurisdiction in this country and it is a huge cost and a big hit on our budget during times that are very difficult. and, you know, we have struggled, and we continue to, to get folks who are insured and our health care partners to work with us on this also. so i think that we continue to want to partner and we will continue and we are happy to talk about how to do that. but i think that just saying to have the city cover testing isn't probably the most practical or reasonable and there's a lot of impact that that would do. so we have to look at all of these different options to see how we can work together. to do this in a way as quickly
as we can, in a way that is safe and reasonable. >> commissioner moliga: now that makes sense. and i only brought that up because in other states and districts that's what their cities and counties have done, right. they have picked it up and they ran with it and they'll cover it. so i wanted to see if that is an option and put that on the table. and i wanted to also talk to you all in terms of what the civil service process and, you know, around essential workers and civil servants. if there was a possibility where you could streamline that process that included a section for educators. in terms of testing -- in terms of testing. >> i'm sorry -- can you repeat the question? >> commissioner moliga: sorry. so from my understanding, if you're a civil service worker, employee, you can qualify for covid testing.
>> yes. and all teachers and staff are also considered essential workers. >> commissioner moliga: that's what i was saying. so is there a possibility where you guys could build out a process within your current system, right, that specifically caters to the needs of our educators? within your current process. the current process that you're doing for civil service or the employees and the essential workers, the one that you currently have, is there a possibility to build out a track? because we have, like, different needs in terms of, like, what our educators are looking for, right, which we're working through with our partners. what i'm imagining is that this track that you could potentially build out in the current system would look very different, right? is there a possibility to build upon that track and that process that you currently have. does that make sense? >> yes. so i just want to refer back to the last slide that i had
presented and the fact that there are actually four testing scenarios. and for all teachers and staff and all civil service workers, we either go to the primary care provider or we provide the testing if you have symptoms. if there's close contacts. or if there's any kind of potential outbreak. so those civil service workers do not get routine asymptomatic testing. and so that is something that is different for the teachers and the staff, the surveillance testing. and that is something that there are other avenues that could go to cover that and including if the health insurance will cover that. that seems like the fastest route to go. >> commissioner moliga: i appreciate the clarity around that. and i have a few more follow-ups, right? again, like for me this is a conversation of how we could all work together, right?
could you guys potentially help out with securing the agreement with curative? and then on top of that, would you guys be willing to actually managing our testing process? you guys have the capacity to be able to do that? >> my understanding of setting up contracts with labs such as curative, others as well, is that the testing report -- the results of the testing would go back to the h.r. system. and in which that is holds the contract. so it would go to human resources department of those that are on their payroll. >> commissioner moliga: okay. >> the school district employees it would go back to the human resources department of the school district. >> commissioner moliga: okay. is there a possibility -- because, again, you're talking about a crew who is building
this from scratch, right? i'm trying to figure out how much hands you guys are able to provide to us get this built up? and i'm willing to be -- i'm super open to the fact of helping to us even scale this up, right? we're talking about how to partner and work together and what i'm trying to convey is that there's some of things that the folks ask us to do on our own, which is i'm telling you that right now that it will take longer so we need folks to step in and to provide that expertise. how much more of that can you provide outside of the consultation as you are currently giving us right now. right, we need folks with hands on expertise at the table outside of the conversation that is currently being provided. does that make sense? >> yeah, if you don't mind i'll jump in here. so, i mean, there's a couple different things that you have sort of addressed here. obviously, from a technical assistance, from a public health
consultative perspective about how to do this, and we are there. we are at the table. we have been, and we will continue to be. as far as the other thing that you're asking to me sounds more like boots on the ground, f.t.e.s, people to do the types of things that we have heard earlier, you know, watch someone put a sticker on -- that is -- i can't answer that for you right now because we have not even considered, you know, i don't have a picture of what that entails. you know, that, again, are things that we have to sit at the table to see if -- if the district decided to go with a curative agreement, you know, what would be needed to execute that. and then the question is, could the city support that? they are all questions that we can't answer here. but i believe that need to be discussed from, like, what
exactly is needed. >> commissioner moliga: okay, i appreciate that and i'll wrap it up with this last comment. i just lost my train of thought. i appreciate that. for me, like, you know, being very transparent based on what we need and what folks are asking for in this city, folks want to get back to schools and to have a plan, right? so the thing that are clear for me is that we're asking the city and the county and health is, one, to pick up the entire tab and run the testing. two, if you could be more hands on in terms of the curative process. and, you know, i don't want to call it boots on ground. but literally we need like -- we need folks to be able to help us to walk through the whole entire process so we can get on our feet. we're talking about two or three months at least, right? but if folks are open to that i would love to know, you know, feedback on that later on. i appreciate your support and i
appreciate the fee feedback andi look forward to hearing more. >> what you're saying commissioner moliga is the process of figuring out how to administer the test and where they're placed and kept and sent and all of that, that it would be help to feel have more hands on support and coordination from d.p.h. or from the city. >> commissioner moliga: that is correct. thank you. >> supervisor haney: commissioner collins. >> commissioner collins: yes, thank you very much, and i appreciate the questions of my colleague, commissioner moliga. i wanted to kind of delve deeper into that because i think that what i'm hearing is that there isn't a cost, there is a cost, and, well, there may not be a cost for individual test kits, but there is a cost, and there's an expense for -- where the gap
is around the operationalizing of this and the management of this. and it feels a little bit like a hot potato. so i guess that i want to just understand -- well, first off in terms of communication because i want to address supervisor ronen's question, you know, over the summer i was very clear in asking the question of the superintendent and he was very clear in responding at that time that d.p.h. was saying that it could not cover testing for employees that were not city workers. and there was a lot of -- that was a big question. and it prevented us from, you know, really moving forward with a solid plan to open up in the fall. so i'd just like to know from d.p.h. when did you share information that this option about curative -- you know, handling testing would be available? when did you know that might be an option and when did you share that with the staff? >> we have learned about those
options in other bay area counties this month as you have mentioned earlier. and things change quite rapidly with covid and we heard from the alameda county of education earlier this month, and then we shared it -- it was approximately maybe three weeks ago that we shared this with the school district staff. >> commissioner collins: so earlier this month you heard about it, and when did you hear about it from this alameda -- like this potential model? >> we got the contact information for alameda county last week and set up a call immediately so we talked to them on wednesday about it. so we had heard about it but we didn't have contact information and then ana gave us the contact information last week at our call and we turned around and set up a meeting and talked -- i'm sorry -- alameda county folks on wednesday, the day after the board meeting.
sorry. >> commissioner collins: so, i mean, for me, this is news to me in a meeting. and it sounds like these are things that -- as i said, i mean, looking at the presidential debate even or just our country it feels that every week -- things evolve very quickly. so, you know, as far as, you know, sharing information -- i think that one of the problems that we're having is that we're all in meetings constantly and trying to work out these situations. just for me last night watching the presidential debate, i mean, i really appreciated biden and trump is saying, like we've got to open up the schools. and it's like this refrain, whereas biden says that we have to open up the schools safely but then references the fact that there's just this lack -- not only of money, which is definitely an issue, but this infrastructure. and this idea that, you know, schools on their own -- every school district in california is
trying to figure this out and while sharing information with other school districts. it's very similar to every state trying to figure out how to do testing protocols and, like, health guidance state-by-state. and that we're all trying to figure this out. so i do really appreciate this venue for us because in a sense we are all, you know, help is on the way -- no, like help is us figuring it out together. but it does exacerbate things. i do think that it's really important for us to focus on -- and i appreciate supervisor fewer, this problem-solving approach. but we do need support as far as capacity. i want to let folks know, that one thing that became clear to me last night or tuesday is that building-wise, you know, everything is interrelated. our building capacity doesn't allow us to take all students back. so no matter what we are consistent that we will have to
continue with a supporting program for students. so we're managing that and we're also managing what we call coordinated care models, which is making sure that the kids are connected during the distance learning. so that is to say that we do need help with capacity when it comes to scaling out a program that we don't have any expertise in managing. and so from the city side i'm confused a little bit and i want to know more, you know, i appreciate your consultation, but we -- you know, it does take staffing and it does take, you know, operational -- like, planning in order to implement, you know, a program at scale across all of our schools. and our city currently uses, you know, h.s.s. to administer its health insurance programs. so i'm just wondering, you know,
where the disconnect is. if all of that information has to go back to d.p.h., right, if there are cases, there's going to be cases either way, so i'm not wondering -- i don't know if this is a d.p.h. question but why can't the city, you know, hold kind of that testing capacity so that we can focus on educating? because i think -- and we're also trying to focus on mental health supports and making sure that families are connected to wellness. you know, if we can have that operational support it would be a huge lift. you know, in reopening the schools. so i don't know -- like i said if that's a staff question or if that's a -- daniel, you can answer if you see any -- is that helpful for you and do you think that there are barriers in the communication side for human resources?
>> sure. hi, everyone, i'm the chief h.r. officer for the district. so a couple of things to clarify. i just went back to my meeting notes. so we first learned of the existence of the curative model on october 8th. so we've had about two weeks. in those two weeks we have been trying to vet the model to really understand what it does, what it doesn't do, and so that a couple of points that i think that might be worth bringing up. it is true that what they offer us -- it seems like our test kits, based on our conversation with alameda county. what they don't offer is the proctoring for those test kits and for the scheduling and registration. so as an example right now you can go on the city website and look for a portal and sign up for an appointment. curative doesn't come with that functionality and that's something that we have to build out in addition to staffing the protectorring of those tests. to be clear about it, we don't have any job descriptions in the district that do that, right? even our school nurses -- their
job description is to offer assistance to students, it's not to offer testing or clinical services for adults. and so in the figuring -- in order to figure this out, you know, there are labor pieces that we have to work through our labor partners. and we've had great conversations and everyone has been engaged but it's not a switch that we can turn on. when we think about how many places we want to have testing and how to set up testing and schedule testing and potentially how to staff it, those are all places that even if the test kits are free and the billing for those test kit goes back to the health provider, we would incur potential costs. pretty definitely, like some tough operational challenges. so when we scope to alameda county on wednesday, while they have secured their agreement with curative, they have not actually rolled any of this out yet in part because they're still figuring out those pieces. so we're hoping to learn from them how we do it and to get a better understanding from curative what they could do with us.
but there's a lot of question marks in this model that we're moving super quickly to try to figure out, given that we only learned about it about two weeks ago. so i hope that is help. >> commissioner collins: i appreciate that and i guess that the other question is, yes, so just the staffing issue. i also want to let people know that we also have staffing issues related to opening schools, right? because when we reduce the class size we need more teachers and staff to teach less students and sometimes there's staff that can't provide. they're not going to be able to come on site. is that also -- i'm hearing that across the country. daniel, it's not like we have extra staff, right? my sense is that we'll have to hire more staff, custodial and security as well. can you speak to that in relation to this staffing of proctoring the test kits and testing and things like that? >> i think that is right. i think that some of this depends on the outcome of the
labor negotiations. so i don't want to speak out of turn or to disclose anything that is sort of happening at the table. but we are keenly aware that, you know, obviously the smaller cohort models and the more staff that you need to have. again, when it comes to testing, firstful all, you know, it might be worth saying that of our 10,000 employees, i think that about 9,500 of them are represented. so we have a very small pool of unrepresented folks that means that by and large in order to figure this out we are going to work through our labor partners. again, we're happy to do so. everyone is engaged and everyone is the at table and putting their best thinking forward. but it is pretty complicated. so there are potential scenarios where we need more staff, and there are potential scenarios where we need outside folks to do this proctoring. and there are definitely scenarios where we move with the curative model we need technology that we don't currently have around like scheduling and registration. so there are a lot of pieces about this that are pretty
complicated. >> commissioner collins: so, just like magical thinking -- if the city or someone magical could come and just handle the testing for us, it would remove a huge barrier for us when it comes to the testing portion of just opening up schools? >> absolutely. >> commissioner collins: okay. and as i said there's other things, and i'm hoping that it's not just about testing, that shiej one that i'm hear -- huge one that i'm hearing but i'm looking forward to hearing from our staff about some of the other -- what do you call it -- hurdles that we're going to need support with. and i appreciate this conversation. >> supervisor haney: thank you, commissioner collins. i had a quick clarifying question for d.p.h. about the curative model. are the number of tests that can be done for free or provided for free, are they unlimited? or are they specifically tied to
this sort of testing everyone once every two months model. what if sfsud were to decide, for example, that they wanted to test more often than that. would curative still be able to provide for that capacity for free? >> my understanding is that the state department of managed care changed its regulation so that all of those that are considered essential workers, which would include teachers and staff, could ask for a test whenever they want. we would need to go back to clarify that. i'm not clear that the model of the curative model or of any other testing lab model, but that the health insurance should be able to cover any frequency of testing for essential
workers. >> supervisor haney: okay. >> we can clarify that for you and bring that back. >> supervisor haney: that is going to be an important part of getting this agreement is making sure that it meets the needs of sfsud and our educators and not only, you know, the state sort of approach because it sounds like from what i have heard from many folks is that we might want to have a more intensive testing regime and to make sure that there's a capacity to do that. supervisor ronen, and then trustee williams. >> supervisor ronen: yes, thank you so much, chair haney. that was exactly my question. so thank you so much for asking that question. that's great news. hopefully ana is correct about that. i do think that is really important. i was wondering if the clerk of the board could allow me to share my screen because i have a two minute video made by the
alameda superintendent that demonstrates how this curative process works. and i think that it is helpful to see it because it's not that complicated. and sometimes when we -- we make things more complicated than they need to be. so let me see if i can figure out how to do this because i'm not very good at this. let's see. can you see the screen here? >> supervisor fewer: yeah. >> supervisor ronen: okay, let me know -- can you see that? >> supervisor haney: yes. >> supervisor ronen: okay. i can't hear it. >> supervisor fewer: no sound. >> supervisor ronen: sorry, you can't hear it? >> supervisor fewer: no. >> supervisor ronen: oh, shoot. i don't know how to deal with that. clerk, do you know how to deal with it? >> clerk: thank you, supervisor.
i have brent working in the background logistics and he's looking into that for me right now. there -- is there a volume bar near the video on your side that you can see? >> oh, actually, let's see -- oh, supervisor ronen, so when you hit the share content button, it will bring up the windows that you want to share. and there should be a -- on the top left of that view, there's a switch that says include computer sound that enables that. and then choose your content and you should be able to have it. >> supervisor ronen: okay, let me try that again. sorry. sorry, this is taking a minute and it's only a two minute video so i thought that it would not be disruptive. okay, so when i -- include
system audio. i see that. now i can -- sorry. i apologize, everyone. i don't want to take a lot of time on this but i really do think that it's extremely helpful video and just seeing what we're talking about. >> clerk: you could also send it to me and i can have i.t. to pull it up if you have trouble. >> supervisor ronen: i think that i got it. if this doesn't work we can move on. maybe i can show it later. let me see if this works. (♪) okay, this should work. oh, wait.
all right, if there's another person on staff, do you want to go to the other person while i work this out. >> supervisor haney: sure. trustee williams. >> thank you, chair haney. you know, i -- i have been through a few of these meetings now and i have just been listening for the past, you know, i don't know an hour and a half here and just, you know, reflecting on our last meeting where we were talking about just the urgency of addressing these issues and just, you know, particularly for our black and brown students that will be left behind. and i want to speak to d.p.h. well, what is possible because it sounds like for the school district, you know, to have the capacity to take on the testing and to have someone to do that would be a huge, you know, support to the school district and just want to advocate for the school district for that and for our students. you know, we have been in this
now for quite some time and i feel like just listening that i'm not hearing any of those solutions and i'm not hearing how we'll move the needle forward. i know that everyone is super concerned and we're all trying to put our best thinking forward. and i just want to hear from d.p.h., like, what is actually possible and what are the next steps to sort of move the needle? because i know that we have gotten a lot of funding from the cares act. and as commissioner moliga said, you know, we're not epidemiologists. we are not epidemiologists. this is not our wheelhouse. and we're relying on d.p.h. to provide that leadership. so, you know, also too what are the mechanisms to keep our elected folks or our leaders informed and what is possible from d.p.h.? i just want to ask that question. like, what is possible to support the school district? >> hi. covid command, and including d.p.h., but all of the city is
very willing and eager to help the school district to reopen as safely as possible. we would like to come next time with a presentation on all of the protocols we have been preparing on testing, contact tracing, case investigation, outbreak management at schools that would also of course represent the school district in their support, and this will require cooperation with all schools, including the school district. for example, we would need -- the school district employees would need the cooperation and to work with their h.r. units and if there's issues or positive cases among the students, the school district has all of that information.
so this is a cooperative agreement. we have been working cooperatively together for months now and there is a lot of technical assistance and subject matter expertise that we have been providing. and including the ability to test for symptoms, contact tracing, outbreak management that would include the field testing that we could provide, but there are options that would include health insurance, that could cover all of the teachers and staff at the school district. >> what did we do to allow for d.p.h. to take on the testing -- i mean, we have some of the best minds here on this call, right? how can we all help to make that a reality? because that sounds like what the school district need says for d.p.h. to take that on. i know that we have city sites doing it. i know that we have been able to move folks into the hotels
during this crisis. i know that there's a lot that d.p.h. are juggling but clearly for us to advocate, because this is a solution focused base. and so i'm trying to be in on the solution and figuring out how to support. how can we help you guys to make that happen for the school district? >> so this is ana. again, we can't commit on behalf of the entire department of public health what resources. we're committed to getting to the table and sitting down to determine what is needed because, frankly, we don't have that yet, there hasn't been a decision about which model to go through as far as the commitment that the city just takes the testing -- we can't do that, we encourage can't do that in this meeting or commit to that. but what we need to do is to continue to work together as we have been with the district to
determine which is the best path forward and how we can support. we are -- all of us want to see the schools reopen and get kids back in school and to do so safely. so -- >> i heard that earlier but, ana, still can't commit to that. who do we talk to to get that commitment i? because this is all within our city, these are our children. it's not like this is a separatf san francisco. so who would be -- like, what are the bottlenecks and the barriers so that we can move the conversation forward? i have been on the call -- like four or five of these meetings and i haven't really heard any sort of way in which we're moving the needle to providing the school district more of the support they need to reopen safely. i respect the frustration in the room. i'm trying to get from you where are the bottlenecks and where are those barriers so that we
can move the needle in this conversation? because we have been going in circles here. >> supervisor fewer: if i may through the chair -- i actually think that you can't -- i understand that d.p.h. can't say that because there's no plan. so if you were to say, for example, sfsud, that we have a plan to open up k-2 -- i'm just saying that -- i don't even know -- and then you could actively plan how much testing you might need. what is the ask that you're asking for? like, you're saying -- you're not going to just open prek through, you know, high school. or are you? like, nobody knows. so when you're asking for helping with testing, we're asking you again -- again we're going in a circle -- what do you need? and when i hear that there's no plan. so how many teachers do you need to test? i mean, it's ridiculous to say, oh, so, you know, it's not like
we don't have -- you guys have to help us. yeah, all right, we're there. you got us already. we want to help. tell us -- what is the capacity that you will need? how many teachers will need to be tested? what have you decided on with your labor partners how frequent the testing will be? i mean, really -- not to have a plan is just ridiculous at this point. and also to say that we need help, we need help -- i get it. we're saying we're ready to help but tell us how muc how many te- what is the capacity? what kind of testing will you need? what is the capacity? what is your plan so that we can plan with you with resources as we parcel this out. like, i don't even know -- are you planning to open up prek through 12? i don't know because we haven't even heard. for you to come to us and say, look, you're not doing enough and we need your help -- i get it.
look, i was on the school board, i know that it's not your wheelhouse, but, however, this is your wheelhouse. this is your responsibility. to give us the plan so that we can then push for the resources to help you. but if you don't give us the plan we don't know what you need and what the scope of it as you need it. and if you have a plan to gradually to open other grades and expand your universe of who will come back into the classrooms, then let us plan with you accordingly about resources, about money allocations. about all of those things so that we can move forward. but when you don't come with a simple plan we don't know how many teachers you need to be tested. we don't know how many personnel will be on school sites. we don't know how many students you're bringing back. i mean -- okay, i'm sorry. you can take my name off the stack, and i have spoken already and that's what i wanted to say. >> thank you, supervisor fewer.
i just want to finish that it's like the chicken before the egg. which comes first. because we're all getting guidance from d.p.h. because we're not epidemiologists. like, how will they know what is the safe protocol? which one comes first? so i understand where the commissioners coming from because they can't -- like, it's we're going in circles here and i feel that we are all, including city college, looking to the health experts to say -- because we have never as commissioner moliga said, been in this level of health crisis. i get it, it's like who goes first, right? i don't know who is going to go first here. i don't know. i'm trying to figure out a solution here. >> supervisor haney: deputy superintendent leigh and we will hear from sfsud in full after this as well. hopefully that will answer some of the questions. >> sorry, for my interruption. we have the video ready.
>> supervisor haney: let me have the deputy superintendent answer and we'll go to supervisor ronen and then commissioner colin. >> thank you, chair haney. i wanted to just say that our team, especially mele and daniel are able to describe some of the facts in response to the questions that supervisor fewer has just raised about the scale, the volume, the frequency. we have shared some of these details with our partners at d.p.h. and in terms of process we are prepared to speak to those when we make -- in the course of making our presentation, which i know that, you know, our team is anxious to be able to share. or if it feels important to address it now, i mean, they can do that now. but they are prepared to speak to it in the course of our comprehensive presentation about our overall plans.
that is one of the major indicators as everyone here realizes. >> supervisor haney: let's wait on that because we'll get into that depth and make sure that supervisor fewers and other folks have their questions answered. supervisor ronen's long awaited video here. >> supervisor ronen: i am ready, but if you have it, that's fine. okay, great. >> one of the keys to reopening schools in alameda county is to increase covid-19 testing. this is critically important for all school personnel to have the opportunity to get tested at their school site with a simple and clear process. >> okay, thanks. >> have a good day. >> you too.
>> hi, rose. >> here's your test. are you all set? >> i am all set. >> when you are done with the test, place it in the box. >> okay, thank you so much. (♪) [coughing] >> that's 20 seconds. (♪) >> thank you, have a great day. >> thank you. you too. >> so how was that? >> it was easy. it wasn't bad at all. >> not so bad. so we want to make sure that everybody has an opportunity to get a test and in a place that is convenient for them and they
get the results right away and make sure that it's relatively painless. so, thank you so much. >> thank you very much. (♪) >> i couldn't be more grateful to have the option for our schools' teachers and staff to have access to testing right at their own sites. this has been a challenging time for us all and the more that we can do to implement measures that are going to ensure that we come back with safety at the forefront of what we're doing, the better. so having the ability to have testing and partner with curative has been a great step in the right direction. and i couldn't be more encouraged about the days and the months to come, although there's uncertainty about what our next steps will be, and i'm glad that we could take this step forward in confidence. (♪)
>> supervisor ronen: so i just wanted to show that you can -- the person can do it themselves in 20 seconds. they just have to turn in the package to someone, and that box will be delivered. this is not rocket science. it's just not. so i understand that there are challenges, but we can overcome these challenges. they're not massive. for this one piece of it, right? i recognize that there's six other pieces that we have to deal with. but i sometimes think that we get so lost in the circular, like, you know, black hole of how difficult everything is, instead of just saying that we can do this. let's just figure out what the pieces are, work together and get them done. i think video illustrates in two minutes how possible it is. so with that, i am excited to hear the school district's presentation. >> supervisor haney: i do think
-- especially with the other counties that have signed these contracts that it would be good to know how they figured out these things. who is the one taking the test and putting it in the box and that staffing aspect of it. because i'm sure that other folk his to figure out that aspect too. who is the other person standing behind the screen there, and how do you operationalize that is something that seems to be something that would be good to know as well. commissioner collins, and then i think after that we'll move to the school district. >> commissioner collins: i'm hearing in hearing the district's presentation. i want to say that as an educator who worked in the assessment office of our district, which is literally the testing office, you know, we're the ones who printed out, you know, the report cards, did reading testing, all of those things. and i guess that we want to make it simple for staff. i think that we want to make it easy at the site as well. but i think when i go to the
hospital how many stickers come out to go on different forms to track all of my information to make my appointment like seamless. and when i hear our staff talk about just the infrastructure that is needed in order to undergird, you know, that system, i am thinking about my experience, you know, and just managing standardized testing across the district. and how much energy that takes. both at the site level and at a central level. managing all of that paper, managing all of those, like, keeping track of, you know, data basically is a part of administering these tests. and it is really important data. it's even more important than a standardized test in this instance. it's like it's potentially a biohazard when you're dealing with medical stuff, especially
now. i just returned from the hospital with my daughter, like, there's that. and it's not just paper. and then also the fact that this information is incorrectly coded, you know, people might find out they have -- they might quarantine when they don't need to which impacts the family's ability to work and things like that. so i just -- i appreciate that it seems simple, i guess, but i understand that there's a lot of mechanics and there's a set-up, there's an infrastructure that needs to be built. so i'm wondering from d.p.h., it looks simple, you know, if it is simple, why can't you just do it for us? you know, like -- i don't understand, why is it that alameda is just doing it now? i guess that is something that i would like to have more clarity on is in terms of the specifics because i know that if we want to do standardized testing with the things to be in place, i still don't have a clear sense
of what is operational stuff that you feel like you can't commit to taking on. what are the things that, you know, that -- and those are the things that we need to work through because that seems to be the barrier. >> again, as the person responsible for sort of the entire covid response, it doesn't start from resource -- it starts from a plan. there has to be a blueprint and we have to understand what the needs are and it sounds like there's going to be plenty of opportunity in the very short term to determine that. but there is no way that ana or i can say, sure, we'll take this on. again, we have enormous responsibilities for the city and the county of san francisco ongoing. we are not the school district and we would need to understand the nuances of that and to understand what supports are needed. and we are committed to sit at the table to work that through
as we have been since april with the school district on this. so that is what we can commit. >> commissioner collins: i'd love to be involved in any of those meetings so i can understand the operational logistics and, you know, those are the things that are keeping us from moving forward. it's operationalizing -- because that allows us to reopen our schools. this doesn't cover -- i guess that my other question is -- this is new. is it true, what about the students, you know, what about the students? is that another factor that we haven't even discussed? not saying that we should today but is that another factor that we're not even discussing right
now? and it can be staff or d.p.h., and i hear that some students are not participating in hubs because they are not being tested. you have to be tested to participate. so is testing students a part of this? you know, -- are we planning, you know, do we need to have a plan for students to get testing? >> commissioner collins, we have return to school testing versus the symptomatic and the exposure. because we are planning on the symptomatic exposure side of it. and that's not required as part of the health and safety guidelines and that is not part of our plan but that could be complications -- (indiscernible).
>> supervisor haney: so, sorry, commissioner collins, were you done? okay. i just have one last question for d.p.h., which is around the data transparency as it relates to infections among children and rates among children, and any potential infections that occur within schools or within hubs, etc. and i know that there are some other states that are sharing that information publicly and being transparent about it. is that something that we are thinking about making more public, especially if there's a broader reopening. would there be a clearer way that we are tracking and being transparent about any covid rates among the children and
among schools other than just saying that there haven't been any clusters, which is not hard data. >> so on our public dashboard we do offer demographic information on the number of cases, and it's broken down by age. we do not offer where that happens on a -- in a particular setting, such as schools. and at this point in time the numbers have been so small that if we released that data we could be jeopardizing patient privacy. but we could certainly come back and talk to our data people on a way that we can work that out. but at this point in time we do need to protect patient privacy as much as possible. >> supervisor haney: thank you. i appreciate that. okay, so we are going to go now to sfsud.
i know that -- i know that miss valdige and director carroll need to leave at noon. so i'm sure that we will have different follow-up and (indiscernible) and what we have heard from everyone here is that we want you all and hope that you all and we expect that you will clab rave with us to figure these issues out and as the plan develops and where you can fit in. all of us wants to get this done. we know that you want to get it done. and sfsud say they need more support and guidance and that there's a partnership that could get this done that would involve you all, even if we go with a curative-type model. so i know that you are all going to continue to engage and we hope that you have updates that come as a result of that collaboration and those conversations. and we thank you both for being here and for your work.
sfsud? thank you. >> thank you, supervisor haney. and thank you -- i did want to start this with -- as deputy superintendent leigh said, i don't believe that this will satisfy some of the questions that you have in terms of dates, times and things like that, but i want to say that absolutely that the goal of our -- our goal is to reopen schools and to welcome our students back to in-person learning. and we are working towards all of the operational indicators that we need to successfully reopen the schools. and i will provide you with some of where we are progress-wise in all of those different operational indicators. (please stand by)
returning small cohort groups. i will be focusing on the operational indicators, the second column. those are the things we should have all yeses to so we can welcome students back and the progress we are at to date. sorry. next -- can you skip -- go straight to the -- yes, this one. so on the dashboard, we have different statuses, whether an operational indicator is in to the do, the work hasn't started, and this has started. you can see the percentages associated with where we are in the progress. 0-25 for something that has been started, 26 to 75 if it's in progress, almost done more than 75% and then completed. everything needs to be completed so that we can open school, or in-person learning school. next slide. so, on our website, we have a public dashboard that has three
major sections, the first one will say where we are in general, in progress for each of -- i guess there are nine different major indicators and then we have an interactive dashboard that you can click on to and get more detail of sort of the sub tasks that are involved in getting the major task done or the major work area done. so, this is if you look on the left hand side, the areas of work. those are the nine major focuses and of course underneath them there are a lot of things that have to happen. overall, you can see the progress ranges from almost done to sort of started. i think that in each of those areas, there are sub tasks related to that. part of what we focused on a lot is the testing plan, however there are many other areas that we also have to reach 100% to move forward on.
then we'll go into a little bit of detail. so looking at how the small cohorts have been identified for reopening, for this phase 2a and we are close to identifying the -- i mean we identified it's going to be pk-13 students from moderate to severe and have the exact students identify who are going to want to come back to in-person learning, right? maybe not everybody will want to come back. when it says it's in progress, it means we haven't drilled down to that specific thing and that would be the same for the early education sites. then we are currently almost at finished identifying the site location for the priority groups and getting those ready. >> may i interrupt really quick, for the chair, as you go through -- this is super helpful. as you go through it, could you let us know if there is any challenges that will stop you
from, you know, in a short period of time, be able to get to 100% done that maybe we can all help you resolve? >> sure, i will try as i can and then i know some, but i might not know all. definitely. >> and i would say even in addition to that, if there are things that you could use support on from the city, that we could be helpful with or certain areas of need there, that is a lot of what we want to do in this conversation, making sure we're helping you get to 100% however we can. >> okay, thank you for that clarification supervisor ronen and haney. okay, can you go to the next slide please? so then, you can actually double click, i guess that's what we're saying. if you look, i already showed you the double click for identifying small cohort. this is the task and these are the things we're trying to get
done and with all the things on the right are green, then the area on the left will be green. so that's another way to say what i said previously. next slide. now let's go to general safety measures, including this which we talked a lot about today. next slide. so if you can see, we're in progress for every facility having a covid-19 prevention plan and i want to say that we have the content for the prevention plan that prioritizes equity. that's an area we've been working closely over the month as the new guidance comes out. those plans get continually updated as guidance from d.p.h. gets updated. that's the conversation we have on a weekly basis. there will be new guidance on how to do outbreak mitigation and prevention planning, so when that comes out, we will be coordinating with d.p.h.,
reading through it, deciding how our prevention plan has to change based on the new guidance. the same thing for protocols for potential repeated closures. we're close to that, but we also know that some guidance is coming down the road, so we're waiting for the guidance to come out so we can update our protocols. so a lot of the protocols and planning as you see on this page, because it's general safety measures, is often that we are working closely with d.p.h. on a weekly basis and as their guidance changes, then we need to ship back to our guidance. so that's why we meet with them so often. the surveillance testing we talked a lot about today and i'll briefly go over the highlights of the plans that we have shared with them. i mean we're looking again -- we have been talking about a phased approach. so the preliminary group of students that we're potentially looking at 1,000 staff would come back first. when we open a school, we are
talking about all of the staff in the school, right? it's not just the teachers coming back. you need the principals to be back, the secretaries, the family liaisons and all that. that would be about 1,000 staff and for the surveillance testing, we have to do the -- if you remember from d.p.h., at least two weeks prior you have to get them all tested. you have 1,000 people to run through testing in a couple of weeks. going forward on a rolling basis, it would be about 250 staff a week. so about 74%, these are all estimates, would be covered by health plans so they would be fillable, so we have 26% who won't be billable and how do we serve that. so this information has been provided. then we move to our next phase and we have 2,000 students in. that would be total of 3,000 staff and then instead of 250 staff per week that need to be tested, we need to test 750
staff per week. we done the modeling, which is a lot easier for the surveillance up to the we were back to our almost 60 thousand students in our classes, that's 10,000 staff, which is 2,500 tests per week that would need to be tested. we have provided that information and that is part of the plan that was sent to -- i'm sorry, the mayor's chief of staff. the things that we really said we needed support on is setting up a dedicated testing site for specimen collection and site management. it's a lot of what you saw in the video that supervisor ronen, what you said, having the staffing and all that. one of the other areas that we're looking for support on is the whole background, i think how the commissioner girdered it up, having an online portion for scheduling. so if we have staff who need to be tested every four weeks, and
it might be eight weeks. sorry if i'm missing my cadence. they can go online and register and do the scheduling. we wanted a call center because if we have families and students that we need to tell oh, you have been identified as a close contact, here you can call this call center in multiple languages, someone can help you with the scheduling. you can get the test quickly and we know that that's important for the outbreak mitigation and the prevention plan. obviously we ask for lab testing and then the ability to bill because we know that one of the solutions to the cost is the fact that you can bill health plans, and we do not have the infrastructure to do billing of health plans but needing support. so these are the things we shared. we have, since we shared this, we have also been in conversation with maybe they could answer some of these needs and what are the other wrap around services?
so that's an overall. i don't want -- i apologize we didn't put all this up in slides, but that's in a sense the plan that we've been -- a broad overview of what we shared. >> chair haney, is it possible to ask questions per slide or are you wanting us to save our questions until the end? >> i'm just worried if we ask them throughout we might be not able to get to the end. so if you could save your questions. i think that would be best, if that's okay with everybody. yeah, so keep track of the questions as they go through. i guess actually, if there's a clarifying question, that's fine. that's how we usually do it at sfusd, okay. >> okay, did you have a clarifying question? >> i'll wait.
thank you. >> the other area which we have just started is the data collection and monitoring. this is also really something that you know, as commissioner said, data is important. our ability to track data collection, this is who is in the building, who has signed in, have you done your symptom check, so a lot of it is if we get to the place that we identifi identified somebody has exhibited symptoms or a staff person has tested positive, we have the contact tracing in place so that is a seamless hand off to sfdph so they can pick up and do anything that can happen in terms of symptomatic testing. we're actually going to move more quickly on this. we just secured who is going to support us in the return to school application. we will be working closely with d.p.h. and their outbreak
mitigation people to make sure we're creating a system that has the right data field and information that i need, so we anticipate this will start moving forward quickly because we identified somebody, a vendor to support us with this. you can go to the next slide. i think i just talked about that. these slides may have been backwards. finally the other work streams are -- we talked about the first two, but i have all staff have been trained. we're working towards that. we have almost all the content ready. to be honest with you, it changes every week. we have been training staff because we have people at remote work locations, we have been training site administrators, so this is something that will continue to move forward. families being informed in health and safety protocols. we're starting that, we're really starting that in earnest. we have a lot of the content. again, we're still in the place where we just got to identifying
the students and all that stuff, so that will be moving forward more quickly. the same thing with covid prevention measures in place, that's a lot of what i just talked about. we have a lot of that ready, and lot of that is also getting the testing plan that is in the prevention measures as well. that's more the testing plans on symptomatic and exposure, but we're getting close to that as well. in terms of school facilities prep for social distancing and hygiene, it says it's been started but there's been a lot of prework to identifying the schools, to looking at what in those schools need to be fixed, removed or replaced to get to the social distancing and setting up the hand washing stations and stuff like that. we're pretty much there on the p.p.e. and cleaning supplies and we want a three month stockpile, because we don't want to open schools and then close them because we ran out of hand sanitizer. i can imagine how frustrated you
would be if we did that. our instructional learning plan is in place. that's a huge list. it's one sentence, but the idea of doing distance learning, in-person learning, and that whole hybrid and what does that look like and who comes back and how do we work with our partners and things like that. finally our labor partners. again, we just have to lift up and say our labor partners have been at the table with us, we're working closely with them. we don't mean to imply that it's a hurdle, but we need to work with them and we need to come to our common agreement and get this together. i think their goal as much as our goal is to get back to in-person learning. i think that might -- i was trying to keep it brief -- oh yeah. this is just what i talked about and i know you have questions. this gives you a sense of where we are in the three month p.p.e. supply. you can see for masks, we have more than enough.
those will be the areas, i guess if i could say what you said, like if there are more reusable masks available to us, that would allow us to get to the more than enough to just enough. you can see where we are in the p.p.e. and cleaning supplies. then this is other things. i would say that in thinking about the customer service fiel field, that's an area where we can use help on. that seems to be something in terms of setting up schools and setting up ourti testing sites, you can see the educator and service shields. we don't have enough of those. the signage, i mentioned that earlier. there is d.p.h. managed signage. it had a limit, so we need a larger supply and i know that we talked to d.p.h. about that yesterday and they are supporting it. you can see hand soap, it's just
enough. again, we're constantly ordering it, but sometimes it's the supply chain that's low. then, think i have a couple more slides. okay, just one more. so we started -- we are meeting with community work groups. we called it our super session. we had work groups meeting over this summer and we met with them this week and we will continue to meet with them on a monthly basis, also to update the progress, the dashboard is going to be updated on a weekly level and we'll be doing updates at board meetings at every board meeting. so this is kind of where we are and we're going to continue to move this forward. so that ends my presentation for any questions. >> great. i have one and then if folks want to get into the stack. i will say that we also have solomon who is here.
i also want to give some a lotted time to speak, and also there may be questions that may go to her. for chief smith, what is prev t preventing this from being translated into a timeline? it seems that you know, there are a lot of indicators and dashboards. one of the things that is continuing to be hard for everyone, especially for families, is to understand what that means in terms of dates and time and how to plan. is there a plan to translate that into a timeline? is there a deadline to set a deadline? where -- i mean a lot of the other school districts now and i did a little research into this, are setting dates on a lot of these things now and doing it publicly. it seems that what you provided
for us here doesn't necessarily prevent that. >> yeah. >> and in fact, it may be helpful to work, to create a work plan to get to that goal. >> and i believe those were similar comments that some of our commissioners made. so we are thinking about that. i mean one of the things that is of concern and is to set a date. many school districts have set dates and they haven't opened up a time and had to push them back and things like that. i suppose we are trying to figure out what is the best way because it is hard to say you're opening, you're not opening, now it's two weeks, it's three weeks, that was the situation in the other school districts. so, i don't think that's the answer that you're looking for, but i think those are some of the things we're trying to manage as we're trying to figure out what our goal is or our timeline. >> chair haney, may i jump in on that specific question? >> yeah, i just --
>> i appreciate that. you know, i've been talking with staff. it did come up in our meeting. i think what i'm hearing is part of the issue is that we have variables. it's this chicken and egg thing that we don't control. so it's hard to put a date on something when we don't control one of the factors that allows it to happen. say testing, right? so what i've been suggesting to staff is that we can present more of and if/then. instead of it being time sensitive, like when we can get this much testing, say secured, then we can move forward with this. because we do need bench marks, right? what we have with the dashboard, it tells us how far we are, but it doesn't give us that timeline or the goal setting. what we need to see is the goal and how we're planning to make that progress, but if we don't have control over a variable, i would say transportation, that
might be an issue with muni. we don't determine how many buses they use. we have to meet with them, have meetings, and see if we can increase busing, say to make sure kids can get to school safely. you know, i think that's where we constantly get stuck. so what i'm proposing and i would be interested in hearing your thoughts as well, is how we can, you know -- we can't set goals for other development -- departments in the city and how do we say this is what we need and set goals based on events or you know, if that makes sense. once these variables or needs are met, then this can happen. it's more of and if/then model. i'm open to thoughts on how to do a better job of doing that. we're trying as two agencies, trying to set a goal that includes support from other agencies.
>> did you have more that you wanted to say commissioner collins? >> i just wanted to answer that specific question. if supervisor ronen has any other questions. i just am trying to support staff in figuring out a reasonable kind of response to this question on timeline. >> and even -- i mean you're saying even if you were to say we have to get this far on these benchmarks by this date, then on that date we're going to make a decision, you know, with a goal of being able to open on a certain day or timeline. i hear what you're saying in the sense that the long conversation we had about testing, obviously have to be figured out before you can say with certainty that you can reopen. so, these things are connected, but i do think it's the lack of a sense of a timeline or date is a lot of what's driving, you know, the anxiety and the
uncertainty and obviously the concern about the plan. supervisor ronen. >> yes, so can you explain the difference between number five, the how the covid-19 prevention measures in place is different from the other conditions? i just don't understand what that means. >> yeah, part of the way we designed this is sort of based on how d.p.h. asked us to report different things in the application. so i can see where some of it doesn't seem as intuitive and it seems a little bit replicative. so the general safety measures, i would kind of say -- >> not the general safety
matters, the covid-19 prevention measures, which in my mind is the general safety measures, but how is that different? >> so the prevention measures are the specific what is your plan to do the someone is symptomatic, tests positive type of thing? also for your health screening for students and staff as they come into the school, what is your plan to identify and trace contacts? that's the prevention measures are focused on preventing either someone coming to the school ill or an outbreak or a mitigating risk. so it's preventing around that. >> okay, that's helpful. i see. then so -- i spent some time looking at the dashboard and i think this is following up on commissioner collin's comments. it is helpful just to have all
of the details in place. it's so helpful. it's so helpful to see the progress being made, but it doesn't answer the burning question for the city, which is what are the challenges you need fixing so we can jump in and fix it. in your presentation today, that was still missing. that is what we've been asking and begging for, for months on end. so when are we going to get that? >> well, we did provide the plan and i know that we are looking at sort of -- i was just talking this morning to our chief of facilities thing asking what is it that you would need? i mentioned, we didn't have enough -- like those are areas that we would say we need support in. getting more of the shields and that type of stuff. i did talk to her this morning to say this is something that would be really helpful for us to articulate. so we have the testing plan that we said this is what we need and we need to do the other things
as well. >> okay, so can we have a commitment for our next committee in two weeks that for each of these seven conditions that need to be met, that you will have a specific ask for the city about where you're having challenges that you cannot meet alone. this en -- then we can be active in meeting those challenges. sorry to hammer you on the testing, but why can't each school that's open just have the staff at the school take the test? i just don't understand why this is so complicated. then deliver them at the end of the day or you know, i mean. i just -- there is a lot of, a lot of staff that you say has to be at the schools in order to
reopen. and the teachers have to physically be there, then they don't have to inconvenience themselves by going to some third place to get tested. there can be an area where they can test themselves and then turn it in and then it's in a box. why are we making this so complicated? >> we're not trying to make it complicated. again, that is a model and we would have to explore that with our partners as chief mendez said, almost all of our staff is represented and it's a decision for us all to make together. those are part of our conversations, but we haven't lanned on -- landed on that. >> are you asking the staff to do that? >> in our proposals, we have identified sort of what we believe staff can do, but again this is -- and i'm going to refer to deputy superintendent because this is a new area for
me because i don't know how much i can share and i can't share, but those are conversations we are having. >> well, i'm excited to hear from susan about that, but you know -- well, we'll hear from her and ask her that aquestion. it's not that the city isn't willing to help and i know the entire board of supervisors and the mayor said publicly that we are willing to help, but we have disaster service workers running supportive housing units, librarians running essential workers hubs. our city staff is working non-stop on alleviating this crisis for the people suffering the most at this moment. i feel like we're making this so complicated that we're asking things of the city that maybe
can be done internally. so it's not that we're not willing to help, i just still don't understand why this is so hard to do. i don't. i know commissioner collins had her hand up and maybe she can answer, but i'm failing to understand why this is so difficult. >> commissioner collin. >> i just want to say what we're talk about is administering tests and one logistical how do you set it up. there is also a side of infrastructure. i'm just considering this, you know, at scale, we have the reading assessment. doing that three times a year is a huge undertaking for our
district and it requires, you know, training and making sure that the kids -- that we produce paper with the notes. correct me if i'm wrong, there's the infrastructure piece of setting up the system. it's building that system and what we're talking about is data management involved. then we have the labor side that's involved. i don't want to take this lightly. it looks nice and easy to do a swab, but we're talking about medically hazardous materials, potentially. so i want to be supportive of our staff and say that is something that needs to be negotiated on and agreed upon. >> it has to be asked of.
>> but if we're learning of a system, like this potential system, over the summer we heard we can't do it, right? >> right. >> so ten days ago we heard maybe there is this company and maybe you can do a swab. we're trying to figure out what does that look like alameda? they said we're still trying to operationalize this opportunity. the staff has to have a really clear understanding of that to even come to the table and ask labor to say hey, we're thinking of a model that might involve clerks doing this. as i'm hearing from our human resources, you know, these are not standard things that we're use to negotiating. we're use to negotiating hours and expectations of calling parents or supervision of students, not handling medical -- >> i know. >> so i'm just thankful -- i'm imagining that is one piece of things. i want to make sure -- you know, where i get concerned and i
think these are good conversations for us to have in the open and i appreciate you asking these challenging questions, but this conversation is devolving into people saying like the union is a problem or labor is a problem or teachers are a problem. so i want us to be clear and transparent that you know, like i think commissioner said, we're all doing work that's new. we're inventing new systems on the fly. while the library may be looking at how to, you know, ramp up, they're also not running all their libraries or they shut down services completely. we're also operating. schools are in session right now even though they're in distance learning. we're also teaching and managing teachers and delivering food and
we're also now also managing -- and this is something i wanted to talk about. this is outside of this. coordinated care plans. it's our job to track which kids are not connected to online learning right now, to reach out to them, make sure they're getting support and connect them back to services. so that's a whole new bucket of work that is also not, i believe, and getting the care it needs to be implemented. it's a new program to make sure those kids don't fall through the cracks while we work this out. it's not to say any of your questions -- they're valid questions, but i just feel like we're trying to do multiple things with staff that are normal normally tied up managing a school under normal circumstances without a pandemic. so that's where the added capacity, i believe, is needed. it's planning capacity and its ability to think of modeling
programs at scale. you know what i mean? that operational -- it's more than just advice on this is how we have kids come into a school. it's more operationalize these systems with the current resources that we have. i think that takes time figuring out what can we do before we can say what we need. as i said, i also want to say i am frustrated in a way. i think our staff -- you know, it's one of those things when you're in the weeds. you know everything and sometimes you forget to share, you forget -- you know, as information is rapidly changing, it takes time to communicate and also sometimes you forget. people don't know what you know. i been clear with staff that while these dashboards are helpful for us to see all those details, it doesn't tell you, it doesn't tell the city, it doesn't tell families, it
doesn't tell the billionaires that could be helping us fill these gaps what we need. so i was hoping today as well. i've been asking staff, tell us what the gaps are. present the problems. that will help because it's not all our -- it shouldn't all be on us. we need help. we all need help, right? so how can we present -- like it is a problem or practice so we can work on it together. i think maybe that's the mindset of we have a lot of educators. they want to do the work and they want to have a plan and then present it. you know, we're not going to be able to work it out without kind of sharing, you know, what's needed and where there are gaps. so, you know, i would -- i guess, reiterate what supervisor ronen is saying. you know, please sfusd staff, i
appreciate all the information and for people who want to dive down that's really great, but essential stuff. i need the essential problems and specifically the actionable stuff. what's the actionable stuff we can be working on? i think that will answer a lot of family concerns. i heard family saying i'm on the school site council. what can our school do to help? we're all feeling helpless right now and maybe there are some things we can't fix, but it feels helpless for all of us and especially for families who aren't in the loop to not know, you know, how can we -- we want to be part of a campaign that's moving towards a goal and we want to be able to do that together, and we can't do that if our staff isn't sharing that specific information. so i also want to say supervisor ronen and supervisor fewer, i'm hearing that and i'm also feeling that as well. anyway, just appreciate the
question. also, labor and testing always come up and they are interrelated. if the state says we're going to require that staff get tested every two months, that's not good enough for me as a parent. we want more regular testing. so part of the question in terms of coming to an agreement with staff we're asking to come back to school involves being able to tell them that yes, we guarantee that testing will be happening at this cadence and every two months, you know, you might have what the expectations of staff are when we have more testing ability and can guarantee that and make it easier. it makes it easier for us to ensure our staff we got this. we're going to handle it and we
are going to make sure we're testing your peers so we don't have -- it will be less fearful. they will have more faith in us, in our ability to protect them and our students and families. >> i know deputy superintendent lee had his hand up for a while so if you want to respond and then supervisor fewer. you're on mute. >> all right, thank you chair haney. i just wanted to quickly make an observation and that is that we are -- absolutely we will work on sharpening up our asks for the next meeting. at the same time, we are trying to navigate a tricky ambiguity
or maybe a tension between being urged or beseeched to ask for things and then with respect to certain asks, the responses. it's totally fair. i'm not saying this is a bad thing, but it is true that sometimes the ask is met with a response that you should be able to figure this out yourself or you should find a solution within your own offices. all of these things can be true and are legitimate, so we don't begrudge that, but we're trying to find the sweet spot at the same time for a given issue and there is so much complexity on many of these issues, including testing as we seen in this meeting. we are trying to learn on the fly as we are in realtime and trying to make sense of these knew aunnuanc nuances, what are the implications and what do we feel less than confident in being able to execute in a timely way.
that all rolls up to an ask and you know, sometimes that is act bigs you -- ambiguous. whether we're talking with our staff or you as elected officials, these are legitimate questions, but we are trying to navigate this question of reasonab reasonability. what is a reasonable ask? the last thing i will say is we will follow through in identifying these asks and we ask for you to understand that you know, people may disagree whether something is a reasonable ask or not and we respect that and at the same time we will proceed in making and articulating those asks. >> thank you, supervisor fewer. >> i would just say that we do
expect you to do some things on your own, it is just what it is. you are the school district, you have purview over this. we expect you to do some things on your own. i know you're asking for assistance, but i want to say as one bureaucracy to another, we do expect you to actually do some things on your own because you have put systems in place. you know how to put systems in place. this idea of you know, we don't kn know. i was on the school board for eight years, you put this in place. this isn't like doing an assessment. this is nothing like that at all. this is testing and how do we set up a system for this. you're not analyzing the testing. i mean i think that the city can assist, but i will say this. i don't agree that you don't need a timeline.
i think because you haven't had a timeline, there hasn't been a sense of urgency. even if you had your own internal timeline, even if you have an aspirational timeline, then we can get city departments in line with you. you bring up m.t.a. if you had a timeline of which schools, like i don't even see which schools you are going to open, that we would have students go to. i mean these are the kinds of things that take months to prepare together and i actually think if you have a timeline -- so m.t.a. doesn't know whether or not they have to have more buses in six months, nine months, three months, two months -- this is why a timeline is very important. it's very important because it gives us a sense of urgency that we need these objectives by this timeline and then we're ready to open. so, you know, i see the students in phase 2b that you want to
open too. so what does 2c look like? i mean i just feel like it doesn't stop there. our goal is to get as many students enrolled as possible. so which schools will be rolling out first, which schools will be rolling out secondly and if you need the plexi glass barriers, how many schools need to be done and by what time. i actually think for us to depend on whether or not if we're going to get these done and then we're going to say we're ready to open rather than setting yourself accountable to a timeline. i think it's really super important. it seems as if we've been lagging and we're behind on a plan and actually to have a timeline keeps everyone on plan and on track. you know, we're not distracted by other things.
this should take up most of your meeting time. i think if you're only meeting every other two weeks, that's ridiculous. you should be meeting on a weekly basis on this. we are losing children everyday. i've been out to those communities. i'm sorry. we had a persistent racial achieving gap. we are going to have an astronomical one if we're not going to do something. you'll never be able to get those kids back on track. i seen the data and how kids flat lined. i'm sorry. every day, i know this is hard work, but everyday those kids aren't in classrooms, it's not just about -- it is heartbreaking. i can see this gap widening and widening and you know what? public education doesn't have the resources to help these kids once they gone so far below or behind. they just don't have the
resources to invest in it. we have to prevent as much as we can now. so i just want to say a timeline is super important. i do hope that next time we have this meeting that we will see precisely that we need these resources by then. it is up to you when the school district says this is what we can do. this is what we need. this is when we need it. i think these are the conversations we need to have. then you know, also i think that there is poor communication between you and your staff and board members, that's your purview. once again, that's not our purview. you dictate your staff and if you're not getting the information you need, i'm sorry that's with you. when we're not getting the information we need, you can bet we get on people to get us the information. next time when we come together for this meeting, let's make sure we have a list of things we can push on with d.p.h. or
whoever to see what we can do. i just think that if we don't know what timeline we're on, i feel like it can be 2023 before we get, you know, the 60% to 100%. there is a lack of urge sit. it's appalling, thank you. >> so i want to bring on president solomon, who i hope is still with us. is she here? >> i am here. >> okay. great. so we want to first of all thank you. we know educators are working now and working very hard in their challenging circumstances and of course want to be able to return to schools and want to be able to do so safely. a lot of the points have been made, i'm sure around testing and the other indicators and
dashboard, you may have some thoughts on and people have questions for you. i'll give you an opportunity to share whatever you like first and then people who may want to ask questions for president solomon. >> great, thank you chair haney and thank you for your opening comments and for setting the tone and for all the people who are trying to problem solve. i want to say as commissioner williams beautifully said, all of us are caring and worrying about the same kids. i want to apologize for not having the camera on. i just learned that my browser does not support the camera. i hope that is not symbolic of anything that i'm about to say. i had prepared comments but i've been updating on what i heard
today. for the workers who want to do the work, it does feel like we're caught in the middle. we need to be in the midst of things. i very much appreciate that we were included in the agenda today because we do feel like we have a lot to contribute. while they're the largest union in sfusd, that doesn't mean we're the only ones that do the work. there are other unions on this call and we stay in touch with each other. all of us are working diligently to find ways to reopen schools safely. we're all in regularly scheduled ba bargaining with the district and we meet with the district in all kinds of ways as well. we're also getting together frequently, trying to figure out what can we do to continue to provide and improve education,
to make our students' lives better to the extent we can help providing instruction and connection to our students and their families. that includes exploring whether it's safe to do in-person, especially to provide support for our most disenfranchised students. we are going to share some of our ideas and bargaining next week. in terms of what we need as educators, we do need to know that it's safe to be in the buildings. that includes all the subjects and all the factors that have been discussed today. i think it's sometimes helpful, but sometimes not for public schools to be compared to community hubs. the buildings are different, the capacities are different, so whatever we can learn from community hubs is helpful to us, but knowing that it's a different -- it's a whole different institution. we do need child care for some
of our educators, including during ongoing crisis distance learning. in order to provide the education that their students need, they also do need child care for their own kids. it's not a whole lot of them based on who i heard from, but they are out there and if the city can help support child care for educators, that would be enormously helpful. we have heard many times today that educators are essential workers. so it seems like there should be a connection to child care. i want to continue problem solving together and i know that this has been said before, but the chronic underfunding of public education has become worse. it's our reality. that's why it doesn't make any
sense to compare public schools to private schools. we don't have the money. we should have the money and i hope we all vote accordingly. we do have to understand that outside of the school district, non-profits and some for profit organizations are doing a majority of the actual covid response for the city. workers in some of our unions are doing support only and the model for the district is actually different. then in terms of a timeline, i think as long as we all understand that a timeline can be put in place only to be affected by what might happen next with this horrible changing pandemic, our numbers are going down in san francisco. we don't know what the winter is going to bring. i really hope that no one interprets that to be an excuse. i do want us to have plans in place so that we can safely reopen, we can do it.
a timeline is partially, part l partially based on what the pandemic is doing and what the number of covid cases are. yeah, with that i'm willing to try to answer any questions that people have. thank you. >> thank you. are there any questions for -- i see supervisor ronen. maybe after that we can go to public comment because i know there are some people waiting. supervisor ronen. >> yes, thank you. thank you susan for presenting and being here and representing your members who we all love and appreciate very much. i want to make crystal clear that san francisco is a labor
town. we at the board of supervisors respect labor very much. we believe workers have a right to collectively bargain for conditions that are safe and reasonable and livable on the job and that i do not condone the bashing of teachers in any way, shape, or form, whether it's done. if i read and took credence of everything on the internet, i wouldn't be able to function. so i just want to make that crystal clear because to suggest otherwise is not true and not the case. we talked today a lot about testing, which seems to be one of the major impediments to getting back at least to that
first step of getting to pre-k kids and kids with learning disabilities. it turns out that there is this company that it's possible to contract with and that i'm sure you watched the whole thing so i don't need to repeat it all. do you think that your members consider participating for those who came back to school and maybe it wouldn't be your members and some of the other unions that are representing, if they're on the line and want to chime in, that would be great, in helping to create a system and administer that system so that all educators can be safe when they come back to school. >> so when you say participate, you mean not in terms of getting tested but managing the testing? i want to make sure -- >> i don't know if you saw the video. >> i did. >> first of all there is a system that has to be created to maintain data, which you know,
we have great technology services in the city and i'm sure we can help out and make that happen. then there is the actual test taking, you know, once every two months or if we decide it needs to be more frequent, but on a regular interval. as you saw on that video, the test itself is an administered test. there is someone that needs to give the test out and make sure that the deputy code matches with the name and then receive the test in a box. is labor willing to help play that role? >> i would say conditional yes because we saw that two minute video, but we still don't know details such as are there -- what is the level of the possibility of contamination? it's essentially a biohazard if someone tests positive.
we need to have more information. >> sure. >> with that, we would certainly be able to consider it, yes. >> okay great, thank you. that's all my questions. >> thank you. >> great. so are there other questions for president solomon? i also want to -- and i appreciate you acknowledging the other unions who are on as well and who represent staff at sfusd and certainly i would love to have space for them in future meetings to be able to share as well and if they do call in for public comment, happy to give them a libel more -- little bit more time to share. i appreciate the comments of supervis supervisor ronen in terms of our deep appreciation and gratitude to our educators and we appreciate the problem solving
approach you are taking. it sounds that there is a collaborative approach and that everybody knows this has to be figured out together. i don't think any effort or any claim that the reason why things haven't moved quicker or whatever, however folks feel, that it's the fault of the educator is incredibly inaccurate and is actually a part of the problem when we hear those sort of attacks. our educators, like our families, like our students, parents are doing heroic work during this time and we do appreciate it and we know that you all care about your students and their safety and health and that's what is motivating our efforts to work together and get this right and do it safely. with that, i would like to -- president solomon, i don't know if there was anything else you wanted to share or comment on,
otherwise i'm going to open it to public comment. >> i think the only thing i would add at this point is that i do think and do hope that we all appreciate the complexity of this. even a question -- the question that i hopefully answered adequately on would our members be willing to do that work. we do need to know what that work means and what self speakers talked about before me is what the school district is -- and therefore its employees, are doing right now in trying to learn how to do and expected to do is all new. it's all very different. it's always about trying to navigate during a pandemic that has harmed so many people around the country. so i do hope that we do keep that lens in mind as we try to solve this problem and help our
kids. >> thank you. we appreciate again the continued collaborative solutions folk approach you're taking and the school district is going to take it. it will take everybody stepping up in new and different ways just like you all are in distance learning and this next phase will require that as well and i appreciate that acknowledgment and we do believe that working together we can get this done. madam clerk, can you check for public comment? >> yes mr. chair. arthur from operations is checking to see how many callers we have in queue. please let us know when you're ready to queue in the first caller. if you haven't done so already, press star and 3 to be added to the queue. for those already on hold, please continue to wait.
the system will indicate that you have been unmuted when we get to you and you may begin your comments. arthur? >> yes, i currently have five callers in the queue. i will queue the first call. >> hi, my name is ailean. can everyone hear me? >> yes, please proceed. >> hi, i wanted to first of all thank supervisor ronen and supervisor fewer for your leadership on this issue. beyond that, i wanted to briefly implore sfusd and the board and everyone else who is listening on this call to please listen to the health department. it seems to me that where we're running into trouble is where we start wanting to come up with our own framework and doing things differently from what the health department has said that we need to do. here we are so lucky to live in a city where we have a world class health department that is
telling us what we need to do to keep our students safe. they done that and you heard from all of the other officials on this call that they have been able to keep san francisco safe throughout this pandemic. i'm choking up thinking about how much i want my own child to go back to school and to make that happen, we just need to listen to them and what they are telling you needs to be done to keep all of the teachers and students in san francisco safe. please, trust the health department. trust they are giving you the guidance and are giving you the guidance and telling you what needs to be done to get our students and teachers back to school safely. i think if we begin listening to them and trusting them and stop trying to reinvent the wheel, we will be able to get our children back to school safely. thank you. >> thank you so much for your comments. next speaker please.
>> hi, my name is julie. my kids go to school in the tenderloin. i would say not every neighborhood in the city is feeling particularly safe and we are seeing disproportionate impacts in terms of covid. in terms of data transparency, no clusters is not data. d.p.h. needs to update dashboards to provide updates on cohorts in schools and hubs, including preschools, charter schools, private schools, and present that here biweekly. we heard about the impact of the covid case in the quarantine and preschool that impacted her entire family. we need to keep an eye on continuity of learning and just because there hasn't been a wider outbreak doesn't mean covid cases doesn't impact families. we need that data and transparency. the research has been coming out around school openings around the world, saying that careful
reopening transparency in reporting is crucial. i also want to emphasize the importance of caring not just about child care. i heard about what parents want in terms of child care, but educating students is really what my friends are concerned about for their children. i appreciate the commitment to get some students in person, but that's not the same as learning. 52,000 students in sfusd learning right now and we have space for 15,000 to be in person. so that leaves the vast majority in remote crisis learning and we're hearing a need for small groups a one-on-one support and we're struggling to get that to happen. some think we're twiddling our thumbs, but we're not and we're coming up short.
i hope the commitment to have schools open in person extends to families and students who will continue to do remote crisis learning and who need small group and other sports -- >> thank you for your comments. next speaker please. >> hello, i'm a resident on the west side in district 7 and mother of two children in sfusd elementary schools. i'm calling because i want to first of all lift up the work that the members have done to work on one of the twin pandemics of racism and covid. i do not want to see that work stop and i want to support that work. the pandemic of racism -- and with that said, i want to support and echo supervisor fewer's call to please set a date for reopening for qa and
qb. we have a lack of urgency right now in the city of taking care of our children. the families are waking up saying we have to get our children back to school. we need to make sure our children are learning. who are asking the hard questions of what do we have to close elsewhere, be it bars, to make sure no matter what that our children are being taken cared of. our children can go back to school, play, live freely. who is speaking up for the children and not just in committee meetings, but every morning when you wake up to make sure that our children are taken cared of. so that's what i wanted to say. thank you for the time. >> thank you for your comments. next speaker please, you have two minutes. you will be notified that your line is unmuted and you may begin. >> hi, my name is seth, i'm a resident of district nine. i want to thank you all for having this meeting. i have a daughter in elementary
school. she's in fourth grade. i just want to emphasize this idea of lack of urgency. i was at the board of education meeting on tuesday when we started on this topic of school reopening five hours into the meeting. i'm excited this forum exists. in previous versions of this meeting, things were asked of the district in terms of specific asks for the city or other partners and we still haven't had that. i want to underline that supervisors fewer and ronen asked for that. i think it's really important that it be -- that we seen that. if i like to come back in a couple weeks and see that list. i also find it troubling that we're spending some time comparing san francisco to other districts because actually all of the other districts in the
city, or in the state and in the country should compare themselves to sfusd. we're in san francisco. it's one of the greatest cities in the world. the fact that others aren't learning from the district and our leadership and our will to reopen so some of our students can have some school in person this year, it's troubling to me. the dashboard presents a plan to get some students back in at some time. i want to see a plan to get all students back in. when is the date certain? we're all use to moving our dates around. we've been doing that for eight months. everybody listening in the city and country know that things can change. give us a plan so we can at least start helping. finally this conversation about collaboration. i must emphasize that there needs to be more collaboration with parents. we should not be told whether we want our kids to come back or not.
we should be survey -- >> thank you very much. >> thank you for your comments, next speaker please. >> hello. my name is jessica. i'm a p.t.a. president at sunny side elementary school. thank you supervisors ronen and fewer for saying everything that parents have been feeling over the last seven months. thank you commissioner williams and supervisor haney for asking the good questions about how do we keep moving forward. i would like to encourage you to continue to hold sfusd's feet to the fire. i observed a lot of excuses and lot of i can't, which we teach our kids that i can't is not a phrase we can use. it always seems impossible until
it's done. every family and person in the city has been doing that for the last seven months. we need to have faith in our s.f. community. we're wealthy, innovative, smart, and committed people, but we can't negotiate a plan or help each other if we don't know what the plan is and we don't have a timeline. i encourage the board of supervisors to continue asking for progress at every juncture and we would really appreciate an expedition on the issue. thank you. >> thank you, next speaker please. you have two minutes. >> hi, i am a parent in the richmond district. i serve as council chair at the elementary school and i wanted to make some comments. first of all, i was upset to hear that educators have been asking the city for help with child care.
you asked what you can do to help teachers. that's something than should be taken cared of now and you don't need to wait and plan to make that happen. secondly, regarding the amount of money that the school needs, we as parents ask many of you, ask city hall to defund the police in a meaningful way. that did not happen. secondly, and this is really around the narrative of the schools being able to open. i have heard our schools are going through a renaming process. i have seen a lot -- a number of folks who are running for office saying that we cannot do this at the same time that we reopen. i just want to say as a person who manages the process at our school for that, it's not true. our teachers are planning antiracist lessons. we're having meetings over zoom.
this has nothing to do with reopening. when you say it does, it creates a toxic narrative and false narrative. i really ask you to stop doing that. you're just repeating talking points in the republican party. look at the san francisco republican party's twitter page. if you have been saying that, these kind of things, i would like to see on social media that school renaming has nothing to do with reopening. this is just political for our candidates. please do what's best for me, the person that is doing our work and leading our schools through this process. it is not preventing us from reopening. thank you. >> thank you for your comments. next speaker please. >> hi, my name is amanda. i'm the parent of two children at glenn park elementary and i live in district nine.
i am extremely grateful for the leadership of supervisor ronen and fewer today. i'm in constant awe of my kids' teachers. they are the heroes of distance learning. this conversation makes it obvious. we need the city to take over the safely reopening of schools. it's clear that the district is not up to the challenge. it's unconscionable to be in october and not have a clear timeline for reopening. we all understand that these timelines can and should change as science dictates. give kids and teachers the aren't they deserve. engage us meaningfully and deliver a science based plan for us to respond to. we as the city government know how to do this. enough excuses. i implore the district administration to get out of the way of the city. let the city lead this effort.
thank you. >> thank you. next speaker please. >> hi, i am the parent of a kindergartner and an older elementary student with an i.e.p. and requires parent educator support. first, i wanted to ask that you engage parents more in some of the problem solving, for example, i can imagine a group of parent volunteers assisting in doing the swab testing at school sites. secondly, we need a clear timeline for special education students. i fully support the return of schools in the day classes from mild to moderate, but what about the special education students, including those who need support. these students are being left behind and they aren't seeing any discussion about those with
special needs. please continue to advocate for those students who require parent educator support. they need to be back in school. thank you. >> thank you for your comments. it looks like we have 12 listeners and 2 in queue left. next speaker please. >> hi, i want to thank sandra and hillary for advocating for our kids, something that none of the board of education commissioners are doing. please seriously consider outdoor education opportunities. it's the safest option for our kids. thank you. >> thank you, next speaker please. >> hi, my name is matthew. i'm a 20 year resident here in san francisco. my daughter is in fourth grade. i just ask that -- thanks for
all the support today from all the people calling in who have the same sentiments as me. they're wanting to make sure that whatever plan or part of the plan that was being presented is transparent so that everybody in the whole city can see it. i think that would help perpetuate some action here. i think if everybody saw it, there would be a lot more motivation, especially from parents who are not informed right now and there will be a lot more support for it. thank you. >> thank you for your comments. do we have any other callers in queue? >> mr. chair, that complete it is queue. >> thank you. i have some closing thoughts on next steps in the next meeting, but i do want to give a chance, if any of the other members of the committee or the school district has anything they want to share before we close out.
if you could put your names in the stack. commissioner collins. >> thanks, i just wanted to ask -- i'm hearing there is a lot of misinformation or confusion. i think it's important for us to put out investigate and i also think that there's just a lot. regardless what i have been hearing consistently and what i heard last night is that there is no way for us to be planning at this point to bring all students back because we're not even talking about testing. we don't have the physical space to do it in a socially distance way. so until covid is not an issue and we don't have to separate kids by 6 feet, we don't have the building space to do that. so, i guess my question for the chair is we have an urgency to talk about opening schools, reopening schools, and also there is a recognition that
we're also running a crisis distance learning and we're also trying to meet more needs of families through, you know because we have social emotional needs, we had a meeting on mental health and kids that are not connected so there is a coordinated care model that is also implemented at every school to catch the kids falling through the cracks right now. so there is the plan for the future, but there is also, you know, how are we serving families right now? how are we working together as a district and as a city to connect students with services and stuff like that? so as a board, we're going to be having a rolling agenda item of talking of reopening schools. as the chair of the curriculum committee, i also have a rolling item and we've been meeting twice a month. normally it was once a month, but twice a month, just to have rolling questions on how do we fix things?
like a parent e-mailed me and asked how do we know who the student's counsellor is? those systems or how do we support students with broadband access. those are issues. how do we support familiiefamil? there are a whole bucket of questions that we're wrestling with as a school level but as far as this committee is concerned, you know, supporting students and families during distance learning, you know when we find students that are not connected because they need supports that are mental health related with food or housing security, those are areas where we partner. i'm just wondering what other folks are thinking as far as -- because that is also moving forward. if at our best -- if we can take
on 12,000 students which we're not thinking of doing right now. maybe we can -- correct me if i'm wrong. it's anywhere from 12,000 to 15,000 kids is all we have capacity for in our building. that's if the ventilation and stuff is working. we're talking about real estate. that leaves 20,000 to 30,000 kids that are still going to have to do distance learning. that's middle and high. they still have needs. we're doing two things at once and we also need support in meeting the needs of families who are -- you know, middle school parents who are making sure their kids get access to distance learning and they speak spanish or their family members are sick and that may make it
harder for their child to learn from home. how are we -- how might we use this space to also partner on that because i don't want to lose that. i mean it's important for us to make a plan and have urgency, but there are kids right now, all because they're doing crisis distance learning now. even when we implement a program, we're still going to -- we're still going to have needs. so, it's an open question for the committee itself. >> yeah, i appreciate that. i do think that we are going to need to continue to use this space to focus on all of our students. you know, some will be going back in person at some point in the near future. it will not be all of them. in fact most of them, even in the school district's plan, in the near term, they will be doing distance learning. it will be a hybrid model. we have to continue to step up
in a lot of different ways. we used this space here at this committee to talk offensively about distance learning. we had one full long hearing about that. we're sensitive about the community hubs. even as we look to how to support reopening, we also have to support those other efforts as well and continue to look for collaboration. so i definitely appreciate that and i think we will need to continue to use this space for that as well. if you have specific items that you want to offer here. >> i have one other question as far as the hubs go. i do think that one of the questions that i've been having is we had -- i don't know if they're here, but to understand how that's going and where -- that is a partnership opportunity, what's working and what's not working because i'm also hearing that there is outreach and not all families are showing up to the hubs and is that because of barriers that exist -- you know, that neither one of us anticipated or if
there is another system that we need to think about. the hub is one solution for a subset of families, but we may need other supports as well like mental health services is one we talked about before. you know, so anyway, i just wanted to put that out. >> and we can have dcyf come for a longer update at the next meeting. the last one they had an extensive meeting on the hub. we didn't plan for them to present today because of the focus on this issue. supervisor ronen? >> yes, thank you. i appreciate having this meeting today and all the public commenters and i just kind of wanted to sum up what we're doing here and what we're facing. we all know that this is not easy. clearly this is not easy. it's the first time we had a
pandemic. everyone is trying to scramble to do the best we can. we get that. what we're looking for as parents and from the city and as a supervisor is a can do attitude. we have yet to see a can do attitude from the school board. we talked so much about how difficult this is, which we all understand and we all know. we have asked how can we help? we gotten very little specifics. maria from the department of children youth and families has set up a massive system to help out the community hub, which were first criticized by the school district and even today, i believe only a hand full of children have actually been identified by the school district to go to the space in the hub. there are thousands of children, primarily children of color, who
are learning in a much more successful way in the hub without getting sick. the staff isn't getting sick. instead of celebrating that reality, we spend half of our time talking about how they're different from the school district instead of saying that's really successful. let's figure out which students need it the most that we can work with the city and get people to the hub. then let's figure out how we can work with the city to open up our schools. this is almost a bigger public health emergency at this point than covid in and of itself. what pediatric experts will tell you is that eight months to we're looking like we're going to get to a year at this point, if not longer, of kids not being in active learning environments, not getting that social interaction is more detrimental to their long-term wellbeing
than a risk to covid itself. how are we not doing whatever we can to get every kid and the most needed kids, and those who already have a persistent achievement gap into an active learning environment. we heard more from the district on what you can't do than what you can do with help. we are asking what can you do with help because we're here and we're willing to help. it's not rocket science. it's difficult. it's very difficult and nobody denies that. we can solve these problems if we put our resources and our heads and our energy together. they are not impossible problems to solve. secondly, look at what has happened to families. families are falling apart.
it has been eight months where parents are expected to work full time and to educate their kids. i have our city attorney calling me saying hillary, what can i do to help? half of my female lawyers and attorneys who are some of the best attorneys in the city are threatening to leave because they can no longer educate their children and do their job full time. this is happening in every profession throughout the city. who does it fall upon? mostly women. let's not pretend that. it's not that there are some great dads out there that take responsibility for homeschooling their children but it's mostly women held back from their career and doing their job to play that dual function. we're hurting families and women by not getting our act together and doing more for them. no one expects all kids to come
back at once, but we have to get to the kids that need this the most with urgency and we do not see that urgency. last but not least, and i'm going to say this publicly because i text her during this hearing and i have not heard back. where is jenny lam? jenny lam is an aide to the mayor on education and full time member of the school board. i have joined this committee voluntarily. i'm not on this committee. where is she? where is she reporting from the mayor's point of view and from being a school board member and the mayor's full time paid staffer on education to come and represent the mayor's point of view on all this? jenny lam, i expect to see you at the next joint select committee. and last but not least, i want to say that we expect very clear presentation because we asked for this many times and when we
get to it two weeks later what we hear is oh, we didn't realize you wanted that. what we expect in our next joint select committee is a clear presentation on the challenges the school board is facing in opening up for the 2a priority population and exactly what help you need from the city to get there. if you can give us that clear information, then we can get to work on solving those challenges and to opening up the schools. thank you. >> supervisor fewer. >> yes, thank you very much. you know, i think a lot has been said at this meeting and i think you hear the frustration on our part. i will say that this isn't easy. i think this is hard but it is what we need to do. i think that we should use this space -- actually, we're getting more to how we should be using this space, but i think i join
my colleagues in saying tell us where your gaps are. we need someone to administer this program. do you need a new administrator? do you need me to work for you part time and help put this whole thing together? like i just know that having been on the school board and really having seen what our achievement gap is and by race, every day we don't do something, these kids are going to get farther behind. during the last meeting, i requested data on what measurements you are using to ensure our students in these community hubs are accessing the curriculum and they are fulfilling their academic achievement goals. what measures are you taken? what have the students been learning so far? what has the feedback been so far? for the coordinators, what are the things that studentses are
struggling with when they're doing their online learning? when you have a third of public school children's coming from household where another language other than english is spoken, you will run through big issues with english language learners. there is a big reason that we do not homeschool our kids, because we're not educators. there is a sense of urgency here and i think you heard that loud and clear today. i get this isn't easy but i'm happy to roll up my sleeves and help you get there. i just think there is a huge gap in what you present to us and you know, bottom line is that these children are depending us as adultses to do our job. you know, enough of the can't do, got to do the can do thing. i look forward to our next meeting having some of the data that we can work off of. thank you. >> thank you supervisor ronen and supervisor fewer.
folks from sfusd, did you want to respond to any of that before i wrap up for us? >> do you have maybe one thing coming out of the presentation, coming out of your presentation to the board this week what your next steps are and you know as i'm planning for what to expect in terms of progress at our next meeting and some of the clear, you know, questions and concerns and needs that were expressed here today, what we can expect in terms of a timeline for those things? >> i'll comment briefly chair haney and if other colleagues are still on and want to add, that would be great too or commissioners. i took away from my part again. i understand it's a repeated ask
for our ask. we will focus on that for the next meeting. within that, that does also involve ongoing communications in the meantime with city staff and city leadership and the mayor's office. so we'll continue to work on both fronts. that is a clear deliverable that we're hearing. we will definitely be working on getting all of these nine indicators, these nine strands of work. i feel a little bit badly that we didn't focus as much on that as we had hoped to. it is our clear intention to get to -- to get those percentages up as quickly as possible. so, we shared the dashboard. we are happy that we have that
tool so that it can be transparent to the public. we understand that many members of the public and members of this committee are anxious to see more progress faster on those nine strands of work. we hope that we'll be able to use that together so we can have discussions, we can share and you can react to the progress and the pace of the progress. it is definitely speaking on behalf of dr. matthews and the leadership of the team and staff, we have clear marching orders to make as much progress as soon as possible on those nine strands of work. i think it was appropriate to drill down a bit on the testing conversation today and that does -- that is high on the agenda. that's a front burner question for us and we are learning quickly about it. we engaged in many conversations, including with partners and the city and cou y county, as well as other jurisdictions. i think that will be an
appropriate area of focus for the next meeting or two. >> great. well i appreciate that. you know, there are a couple things i want to say before we close out and thinking about our next meeting. you know, one is that we did spend a lot of time early on about the testing conversation and one of the things that was very important to me and to all of us here is to identify the areas where we can make progress, or we can come up with solutions through collaboration. this is a unique space that we have here to all be here together at the table and solving this issue of testing. i mean even with the information that was shared here and then taking the next step and addressing that aspect of it, getting more hands on support from dph and following through is something that i think is a hugely important thing. we talked about the next meeting but obviously as the chair of this committee, the other
supervisors that care about this, we're available to you all to support you all the time, right? we can get right to work, helping to make this happen. i know i'm regularly on the phone with all of you to work these issues out. we have to solve this even quicker. i know that part of it has to get done. that is a key indicator that will determine whether there can be a broader timeline. i do think that a list of the specific needs that you have and how you're going to get to 100% or higher rates of achieving those basic indicators there and role that the city plays in it is still something that you heard again and again, that we are eager to have transparency and clarity around and jump in. i think, you know, now that folks from the city, including the mayor are saying you know, this needs to happen. this is a priority for the whole city. you're hearing it from the
supervisors. so i think you are definitely in your responsibility and right to come back to us and say okay, we want that too. here's what it takes for us to get there and put the ball back in our court and let us move forward together because you know, what you're hearing here is frustration because we all want to see this happen. we want to see the urgency. we also are frustrated because we want to know what we can do. we want to know what you need from us. nobody wants to feel helpless in this conversation. then the next phase of going deeper into those indicators and having a bit of a deeper dive into those would be really helpful. we want to see from ones that are 25% to move to the 75% and we want to urge that along and do it safely and in partnership with our educators and you know,
i think -- you know, i do feel and others have said this, that putting this into a timeline, being able to set some dates is important, is essential for the public, the families, the staff and educators, and you want to do it in a way that's informed, safe, and collaborative. i think what you put together allows that to happen. so that is my final thought and again, i want to appreciate everybody and everybody's leadership and the way that everybody is stepping up. i know everybody is working really hard and you do care about our students, family, and city and i really do appreciate your work and i appreciate this space and we will continue to use this committee as a way to both push and urge and share
information but also solve problems. i hope that we made some progress on that on some fronts today as well. so, i see commissioner collins, if you have some final thoughts and then we will wrap up. again thank you. >> thank you, i'll work with you and coordinate with you to see what's appropriate for this committee. as we continue to move forward on reopening plans, i agree. there is a lot of work we're doing to check in and make sure we're supporting students currently, and that's with crisis distance learning and with this coordinated care model, which is how we are checking to make sure kids are connected, what are we doing when they're not and that's a whole new system that our district has implemented but it's new, right? so i'm interested in both checking in on that and also seeing where we may or may not need support. these are the kids that are like not logging in. you know, we don't know what's going on and so they may need us
to do a better job to connect them academically and likely they will need mental health and other support services. that may be -- or maybe some support from c.b.o.s with connectivity. i will work with you on that and i also wanted to put out another plug on the curriculum committee. we are having ongoing conversations to support crisis distance learning and i'm also, just as a commissioner, supervisor -- i'm sorry commissioner lopez, she's been working with the task force that is doing a lot of work to help families connect. i'm personally willing to meet with communities or in other venues to have these conversations on how to support families with learning so just stay tuned, e-mail me -- i just want to put it out to the public, if you want to participate in those conversations, the curriculum committee meetings are spaces to do that and please feel free to e-mail me and/or other collea e colleagues about specific issues
as they come up. a lot of us are passing those along to the office staff so they can get supported in realtime, in terms of the one-on-one stuff. thanks again for hosting this space and helping us have these important conversations. >> thank you everyone. we will be in touch. i'm sure probably later today because the urgency around this could not be higher and i think we did bring to the surface some of the areas in which we can solve problems, particularly around testing and we will continue to do that on a number of different fronts. commissioner moliga, did you want to add anything? >> no, i appreciate all the feedback, great discussion, a lot of passion. a lot of good points. i'm excited to move forward. i already told the school district and the superintendent that my main focus right now is the testing area. so i think chair haney did hit on that. we need to knock this out of the
park. i'm excited. we have to get the can do attitude going. so that's definitely heard. we're a city of champions, 49ers, giants, we know how to do it. >> yes, can do attitude and we're here to do it all. we know that there's more that everyone can do to step up and we want to take that momentum and energy and make some continued progress here. again, i will say a lot of folks are stepping up right now in unimaginable heroic ways. this is a very challenging, complicated, difficult, painful, traumatic time for everyone. i just want to acknowledge that that's the context in which we are doing this, but i think we all believe that we can step up and get this done. madam clerk, do we need to continue this hearing? >> you have the option to file
it or continue it to the call of the chair. >> i think we're going to need to continue it. >> i'll need -- is there a second? >> second. >> seconded by supervisor fewer. >> supervisor haney. >> aye. >> supervisor fewer. >> aye. >> commissioner collins. >> aye. >> trustee randolph. >> randolph absent, trustee williams. williams absent. you have four ayes. >> great, madam clerk, are there anymore items? >> there is no further business. >> this meeting is adjourned. thank you everyone.
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