tv Police Commission SFGTV November 4, 2021 7:00am-10:01am PDT
i was just doing a little bit of research and seeing the sheer number of things that you're advocating for at any given time in the last year and you're remarkable. >> [laughter]. >> a lot of -- there is a ton of progress and they should be in my opinion. it's crazy they're not. thank you for that. >> you're welcome. >> that you're part of this group as well. thank you. any other comments or questions? >> i just want to reiterate the free city. this is something i had a small part in, working on. anybody thinking about opening a small business in san francisco may have their fees waived going forward? brand new businesses. it's incredible. landmark. the opposite of how small businesses have been treated since i've been here. thank you to supervisor ronen
>> i am chair of this commission and to my right is commissioner jim barns and commissioner hamasaki. i want to recognize police chief bill scott and executive director of the department of police accountability paul david henderson. i appreciate you kicking us off this evening. let's go ahead and rise and put our right hand over our heart with the pledge of allegiance. i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. . thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. could you please call the roll.
>> yes, ma'am. >> commissioner hamasaki. >> here. >> commissioner yee is in route. commissioner byrne. >> here. >> vice president ellyious. >> hear. >> you have a quorum. chief asked and paul henderson are here. >> thank you very much. please call the next item. >> general public comment. at this time the public iscle womto address the commission on two minutes for items within the subject matter of the police department. neither police or d.p.a. personnel or commissioners are required to respond. call 415-655-0001 enter access code 24878110616.
pound and pound again and star three when you wish to comment. you may submit in the following ways. e-mail secretary of the police commission or written comments may be sent to the public safety building at 1245 third street san francisco 94158. press star 3 now to make public comment. >> good evening. you have two minutes, caller. >> caller: this web ex is confusing. i am participating today because of a couple issues. one, the hilton on o'farrell street street has police
officers working on status locking taxis early morning when we need to be available for airport fares. by the officer parking his vehicle at the beginning of the taxi stand when he has six vehicle space in front of the hotel to park at either end rather than at the taxi stand. i don't know if they are allowed to do that, but you are taking away our business by the vehicle blocking the taxi zone. let me know if that is allowed, please. next topic regarding the chase center. the motorcycle cop threatened to issue me a ticket because he failed to keep the taxi stand clear. i don't know why you allow this to go on. keep the taxi stand clear and we
won't double park. next topic outside lands. the police told the buses to block our tax staging between 28 and 29th avenue. that is what i was told by an inspector during the outside festival on sunday. why they were allowed to prevent us from picking up people. you should know that the fares through the tnc were outrageous. taxis are not allowed to do certified tickets. why are the police taking an away our jobs. it is a headache and making it very difficult for us to serve the public. thank you very much for your time. >> good evening, caller, you
have two minutes. >> i volunteer. [indiscernable] the following is a quote from ms. jones. there is an urgency to address the injustices of black san francisco. anti-blackness when it comes to racial profiling. i have grown tired of talking to the police commission and board of supervisors. where is the urgency. the tables are turned and this represented white folks there would be urgency. i agree with first lady michelle obama. [indiscernable] take responsibility the unjustice to the law of all in san francisco not just black but it is the responsibility to uphold the law in support good for all in san francisco. i am tired, not tired enough to
quit. tired of beating a dead horse and concerns on deaf ears. anti-blackness in your chambers is urgency. the attorney general. our black san francisco is six times as white to be subject to traffic stop. use of force and 11 times to be arrest the. june 2021 at request of the commission we provided recommendations for an equitable police station. what happened? we heard nothing about the next steps. thank you. >> thank you, caller. >> you have two minutes, caller. >> i am david aaron son resident of district one volunteer in the
black community funded by felicia jones. following is a quote by ms. felicia jones. there is an urgency to address injustices. it is anti-blackness. use of force, arrest and racial profiling, traffic stop of black san franciscans by sfpd. i am tired of talking. where is the urgency? tables were turned and these represented white folks there would be an urgency. i agree when obama said this happens to us. when are you going to take responsibility to address the bias unjust statistics for all san franciscans. it is your responsibility as you took an oath to uphold the law and support for the good of all in san francisco. i am tired. not tired enough to quit. tired of beating a dead horse
and concerns on deaf ears. tired to look for new sources who find this an urgency. the previous caller stated black 6 seems subject to traffic stop. more than nine times to be subject to use of force. 11 times as likely to be arrested. there is a direct line of communication and has committed to help d.o.j. helping until the sfpd brings down racial disparities. it means you continue to work to get results for sfpd? thank you. >> good evening, caller. you have two minutes. >> i am christy.
i was a tenderloin resident until about a month ago. i was provoked for the third time in seven years of living here. i am calling because i would like the commission to. [indiscernable] to the november 10th agenda. thanks. >> thank you, caller. good evening you have two minutes. >> good evening. i am victorian warn i volunteer in the black community. following is a quote from felicia jones. there is an urgency to address the injustices of black san franciscans when it comes to traffic stops. [indiscernable] i have grown tired of talking to the police commission and to the board of supervisors. where is the urgency?
if the tables were turned and this represented white folks there would be urgency. [indiscernable] when are you going to take responsibility to address the unjust statistics for the love of all san franciscans. it is your responsibility. you took an oath to support all in san francisco. i am not tired enough to quit. tired of beating a dead horse and concerns on deaf ears to look to no sources who find anti-blackness. therefore we need help. tonight the department of police accountability included meeting materials to the recommendations of the san francisco police department. last month the local reported the lack of cooperation between
sfpa and other organizations that sfpd is to cooperate with. we know for sure sfpd should not and cannot police itself. will the police commission take action regarding the anti-blackness in san francisco? thank you. >> good evening. you have two minutes. >> i am susan buckman in district 5 and volunteer with wealth and disparities in the black community. following is a quote from our founder. there is a urgency to address the injustices of black san franciscan. anti-black necessary to the use of force arrest and racial profiling. i have grown tired of talking to the commission and sfpd and board of supervisors. where is the urgency? if the tables were turned and
this represented white folks there would be a urgency. michelle obama stated it happens to us. when are you going to take responsibility to address the bias and unjust statistics for all san franciscans, not just black san francisco tans. you took a oath to uphold the law. i am tired. not tired enough to quit. tired of beating a dead horse and concerns falling on deaf ears. tired to look to new sources with anti-blackness in the chamberses and offices an urgency. therefore we sought help from the attorney general. this is the first time you have heard this quote from felicia jones. why are we repeating ourselves? we have never seen any indication you are hearing us.
if we thought that we were getting through to you, perhaps you wouldn't need to public comment me to death. thank you. >> thank you, caller. you have two minutes. >> hello. i am ms. brown. good evening. i am calling concerning my son who was murdered 2006, august of 2006 in district five. today his case isn't involved. unsolved homicide. one of many unsolved homicides. we are still waiting for justice for my son. again, i thank those that help get the posters in the police station. lately i have been driving by them and the digital televisions aren't working. the same picture is there for a whole week.
why isn't it moving? i went in and complained and nothing was done. today might be fixed. i am worried about this happening again. we fought so hard to get these up there. i want them to stay and have your tech person come -- the person to fix those televisions in the police stations to keep them rolling so that mothers like myself won't have to call in and say anything about this. i would like to see my son's picture passed by. we worked on doing this. i wanted to keep going as we get the pictures at other precincts and stations and places. i am praying someone can check on that to continue to keep rolling those pictures and not let them it is there in one picture for a whole week.
mothers like myself go by them purposely to make sure they are going. i shouldn't have to do this. i have enough on my plate. i am still looking for justice for-son aubrey casa junior. i just need help with that. thank you. >> members of the public that have information regarding the murder call the police line. >> good evening, caller, you have two minutes. >> thank you very much. i am calling today about fd1421. release of those records under the sunshine ordinance in the public record deck. there appears to have a many months long pause by both the board and the agencies, d.p.a.,
sfpd on the record releases. the sunshine ordinance task force ordered both agencies to make changes to the records. they were not in compliance with the sunshine ordinance. since then they have been silent. to police commission is releasing the records. the d.p.a. and sfpd must comply. >> that is the end of public comment. >> thank you very much. next item. >> 2. discussion and possible action to adopt findings for the police commission to continue to meet via teleconferencing technology per assembly bill 361. the commission is to make findings each 30-days. we have considered the
circumstances of the emergency. we continue to recommend physical and social distancing measures. conducting meetings in person would be risk. the next 30-days the police commission will meet remotely. we need a motion making findings to require teleconferencing under 54953. >> motion. >> second. >> public comment on the item? >> what did you say? >> yes, we do need public comment. >> public comment then the motion. >> members of the public to comment on assembly bill 361, item 2, press star 3 now.
>> caller you have two minutes. >> i am a resident of district one. i would like to support continue youing the teleconference police commission meetings. it is great for people who commute during this time and who have family obligations in the evening and other commitments. i would like to ensure that these police commission meetings that are virtual are accessible to those who have difficulty with internet connection or known connections. thank you. >> that is the end of public comment. >> thank you. motion was made by commissioner he elias. >> second by both. >> commissioner hamasaki. >> yes. >> commissioner yee.
>> yes. >> commissioner byrne. >> yes. >> vice president elias. >> yes. >> president cohen. >> yes. >> you have five questions. >> thank you very much. motion passes unanimously. next item. >> 3. presentation of assembly person regarding public safety to provide legislative update on assembly bill 89. discussion. >> thank you for joining us. i am excited to introduce to you assemblyman reggie jones sawyer.
the passage of ab89 providing police officers have a college degree is the latest example of bills passed. this is a short list of the criminal justice reform is enacted to ensure greater police accountable and law enforcement efficiency. assembly member jones chairier chaired the first policy meeting and coauthored ab292 governing the appropriate use of force for law enforcement. coauthored with nancy skinner on senate bill 1421 in 2019. up might recall we had senator
skinner earlier this year. you may recall 1421 made police officer records available for public records request for firing a web, deadly or serious force or dishonesty by an officer. jones sawyer is also authored legislation ab21 in 2019. this eliminates requirement for individuals convicted of a certain drug offense to register with local law enforcement. more effectively deploying law enforcement resources. he authored 2876 in 2018 that clarifies the law to pro connect california against unreasonable seizure of vehicle. it is ab2176 in to 18 that
places additional notice requirements when law enforcement seize a firearm. he also authored ab493 in 2017 that prohibits law enforcements from detaining a crime victim or witness for suspected immigration violation. he has a distinguished career. we are honored and lucky to have him. distinguished track record and achievements in police accountable that assembly member reggie jones sawyer comes before us today. i would like to speak on ab89 and increasing professionalism of law enforcement officers. if you have any questions please don't hesitate. i welcome you and the floor is yours.
>> thank you. i am not a techy so am to be on my laptop. that didn't work. i went to my phone. i am saying webinar is not easy for me to use. i am used to zoom. i have to hold my phone while i talk to you. i apologize for that. it is a pleasure. i wand to thank you for inviting me to talk about policing and chair of public safety where -- [ inaudible ] >> over fund the police or defund the police. i am a firm believer that we all believe that bad apples in law enforcement have to go.
without a doubt when you talk to black lives matter or conservative police officer they will agree. we have to stop bad officers. they are giving not only the profession a bad name. it is making it harder for police commissions and city councils and state representatives for us to govern. really bringing back trust among people of color, bringing back that account ability we want to see in law enforcement. most important so much violence going on. violence in the community. we cannot be separate any more. we cannot have this split. this split just exacerbates the problem we have in crime. it doesn't reduce crime. i would submit it increases
crime because we can't get our act together. when i heard a congressman talk about bad apples. we need to stop looking at the bad apples of the tree. if you get to the root and create good apples you don't have to worry about the bad apples. they will retire or die off. if we continue to produce good apples. the apples that fall every friday be good. that is the idea of ab89. police officers condition. it came about because i have been working where we talked about young people not having mental ability at 13, 10, 12 to commit heinous crimes. they weren't ready for a life sentence or have life
exterminated they weren't mentality ready we looked apartment 25 year. you talk to most women, married women. at 25 when we talk to law enforcement especially police and others we compromise on age 18 to 25. really aligned with the average of police organizations where they are and the understanding that if you possess a firearm. you want to register at age 21. we also want to create and this is the most significant part. we want to make sure whatever it the, we have to retrain. we have to add things that were never thought of before. we have to really put together a comprehensive group of
stakeholders and develop an associates degree or transfer to modern policing that includes history and ethnic studies and emotional intelligence. we know that people with a high school degree. data show that 70% of disciplinary action it is clear they only had high school education. it is clear that college education needs to be involved. over the last year we engaged in meaningful conversations with law persons and community activists. the real work begins now. the stakeholders convene to create a degree for modern
policing that will last long after we are in our rocking chairs wondering where are we going with this? it will strengthen community trust anden sure public safety for our committee members of color. disproportionately fall victim to the hands of peace officers. it will allow us to be intentional. let's be clear. intentional at created the best law enforcement, not get rid of them. the best officer that we can. i went to norway correctional officers are honored. they have to go through a two year process to become a correctional officer. to get these posts the standards are high enough where you wear
that in the community that is it. when we talk about someone carrying a gun to make a decision on your life, making law enforcement decisions we want to make sure we get the best most intelligent and qualified person to do that. this would address the root causes of use of force and developing a more mature and better educated works force. >> that is what we all and yes as someone who sits on public safety budget we should pay them more. we will raise the standards and pay law enforcement more if we want them to do more.
that is my position on ab89. when we convene this group every law enforcement agency and officer we will take their input. this is something to be with us for the next 100 years. if we do this right it will be the standard. all police education nationwide. if they say we are going where california goes. let lead the way right now. >> you are going in and out. stop your video and we will take your audio. let me see if we have any questions for you.
mr. hamasaki i saw you're hand first. >> good evening, assembly member jones sawyer. i appreciate a lot of the work you have done around police reform. along with senator skinner you are a real leader. i was following the tough fight you had with desertification and the work you did there. it is really important work and i think maybe people don't see it in the short term. in the long-term it is keeping communities safer. >> this is an issue i have been following which is setting age limits or having a college degree to ensure that the officers that are tasked with such important responsibilities and have a high degree of power
are ready for that position. how is the support coming along for this? >> like anything new that we are trying to change the culture of law enforcement. there will be punish back. when i first started talking about this weep had law enforcement saying that i, a black man, wanted to reduce the number of women and people of color going to law enforcement. as someone whose satellite is part of the civil rights movement. i realize they didn't truly understand what i was trying to do. in some ways it was insulting. officer was saying if we add these requirements they can
select african women. they won't meet the standards to get in. i would say when you go into an operation you would not want that doctor to have only a college degree. that is why there is a high bar for the doctor. when you go before a justice system and hire an attorney. you don't want someone to get the degree off a matchbook. at this job we have to make this. let's be honest. when it comes to criminal justice system. this is the gay way. meeting with the police officer. they have to make some decisions, life and death decisions. quick decisions whether or not
you get a mad or felony or deathpelty. they have to make these decisions. don't you want the best trained people to make those decisions? it is not like war where you recruit people for the bat field. this isn't war. you are not with war at communities of color. it is a different conveyor of policing. we need to move in that direction. not everyone will be able to do the job. look at it that way. the police officer. not everyone that the -- emotional intelligence to handle it. when we uplift it, i think your police commission meetings will be much better than what you
have got right now. >> thank you, assembly member. our meetings are fabulous and can only get better. i appreciate your work. i know you have had some tough fights. we all appreciate you being in there and having the fights on behalf of all of us. >> thank you. >> we somewhere vice chair. >> thank you for being here. we appreciate you speaking with us. thank you for includes in your bill the requirement that stakeholders not law enforcement are being brought to the table to give input when it comes to
developing the policing degrees program for this bill. i go that there has been a lot of criticism to the commission and how it is very law enforcement oriented. one question is what can be done to ensure that other members are brought to the table when we talk about police reform in an effort to guide to a 21st century policing model? bringing people to the payable like civil rights leaders, criminal defense bar and underrepresented communities themselves and organizations that dedicate work to underrepresented communities? is there anything to ensure those individuals or groups have a seat at the table when we talk about the reform measures? >> two things. disclosure. i am in did doctorial program at
sc. my dissertation is how to reduce crime, bring communities together. what i am talking about now. one of the things that was assumed about me by my chairs and some of the teachers there is that i would only talk to community activists, anti-police, black lives matter, i would talk to law enforcement, just as much as people who are impacted by this. ty do believe you need to start from talking to individuals that are impacted by law enforcement and then move backwards to work with people who have to do the law enforcing. at some point what i will do in my dissertation to have both sides talk about it and do a
focus group where we start talking about the things we agree on. when it comes to training and accountability and discipline and then all of that, we have got to start talking what we agree on instead of what we disagree on. like i said in the beginning, everybody believes we need to reduce crime. if i can find one person on the planet that believes we need to increase crime, we need to talk to that person. if we start talking about what we agree on, we will ultimately get the best solution on what 21st policing should be based on what the community launched. some people think i am powerful. i am not. i derive my power from the people of california. they tell me what they want.
i just do it. that is my real power to listen to community groups, to law enforcement and coming up with plans that address everything so we have the best possible outcome. i agree we need to make sure everybody is at the table. >> thank you for being here. >> next is chief scott. >> good to see you again, chief. >> thank you. i just want to say thank you for those of you i had the pleasure of meeting assembly member jones sawyer during my time in southern california. i met him in a conference where we were looking at alternatives to incarceration. i appreciate your work to move
this profession forward. thank you for talking to me and others about this issue. i am looking forward to working with you. i hope we get a seat to move this work forward. thank you for being on call. you have been do everything it for a long time. thank you. >> the way i work. the chief can attest to it when the governor signed my bill where we have created a felony. the legislature created a felony for organized gangs to run into stores and it is below the threshold as a felony. we made it a felony for those who organized it and used poor people and mothers with children. we don't prosecute them. we find the victims of that that are being used. we are going to find them job
training, drug abuse centers. we are going to give them the wraparound service they need on the same hand we are going to prosecute people who engage in this in a collective way like rico act and they will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. we have a new felony for that. i i want to thank the thieves cooperating with -- chiefs cooperating with us. this is when you work together. we can both get to where we want if we come up with creative ideas. thank you, chief, for coming down to that. >> i want to acknowledge that president of our san francisco police officer supports this legislation. this is good. i have a couple questions about
implementation. i am wondering if there is -- i wonder how the legislation would affect current officers that don't have a degree. would they be grandfathered in or given an opportunity to earn a degree? they came in under a different mechanism. they will be grandfathered in. we cannot turn back the clock. we willed when we get more pony for it. i will add additional training. cultural bias and other things for the existing officers. i am looking at technology where we don't pull the industry to make your chief happy. we don't be pull-off the line to come to sacramento for training. we can create data on your computer that can go through and
learn while they are at their desk or at home and we pay them extra to learn this or get up to speed because we are trying to do both. we train the new officers but make sure the new ones coming in are not compromised by old world thinking. everything is connected. the ones that don't want to do it and feel they need to retire. this is something they don't want to do. let them retire in dignity and thank them for the service. >> what is the timeline? what can we look forward to? >> january 1 it goes into effect. it will take one year for us to develop the curriculum through the community college system. then it will take another two years to get that first class
in. after that first class graduates. 2024-25 we will start to see first classes graduate and from then on we will start feeding into the system at every level, every police station, county, city, state left we long-range forecast see the first graduates and we hope it keeps increasing. within 10 years from now significant change in how police interact with the public. >> how do we make sure the educational attainment requirements don't undermine access to education that can be out of reach for some people.
particularly for first generations? >> we started at the community college. it is basically free. what the state can provide is what we are planning to provide, making sure whether it is housing or making sure they have food on the table to get through those two years we will provide those incentives. when they are in we will create a path to a four year degree. >> if you could become a state officer. we will find enough funding so every officer is educated. this could be an incentive to do this. like in the military you could get bonuses or you had free
college which was very proper. in we can survive that to the disadvantaged communities, people of power. this would be like you wouldn't believe. not only do we get the welcoming in who may have read about this. now we will seek it. at the end of the rainbow they could have a college degree and not worry about a bill at the end of the day. >> commissioner was working on a similar project. he was between the commission and city college, community college or city college. u.c.s.f. is very interested in working more with sfpd to take
up that charge. that would be welcome to help strengthen that relationship between city college and the department. we have commission near yee in the queue. go ahead. >> thank you, madam president. i just want to thank you for your hard work. you have answered my questions. you read my mind. people of color trying to obtain these jobs. i guess going forward is there any way. i guess looking at the funding from the state level how much do you think it will cost? what are your goals in obtaining that funding throughout the
state of california? >> right now since i was elected in 2012 we had nothing but surpluses. last year $80 billion surplus during the pandemic. this year lower. $30 billion surplus. i don't think i will have a lot of problems being able to provide funding this year or ongoing. the cost benefit analysis data we use to justify this year and going forward we look at all costs and your commission probably knows better than i. the new sundays lawsuits, jutified lawsuits, police use of force lawsuits you have to pay out compared to getting someone to finish college and come in
with recruits. if we balance those numbers the benefit to community and individuals out weighs what the state needs to pay. in fact i would contend we save money in the long run. that is the emotional, physical, number of people who have died or been horribly injured in police confrontations. if we could minimize, reduce and hopefully one day eliminate it all. financially it would be great and emotionally it would be good. >> on the retraining. can we seek your help in getting funding for retraining officers to meet those goals of yours? may be getting the degree and
additional funding toward it? >> what i propose is statewide. law enforcement to san francisco i don't care how small or large. if you and barney five, both of you can get a college degree and get retrained. >> thank you very much. >> paul henderson executive director for the department of police accountability. go ahead, paul. >> thank you. it is a pleasure to see you here again. it is nice to be working with you again in this forum. i will say it is always an honor to have someone from the
fraternity of phi kappa phi here. thank you for that leadership today. it makes me happy to have you here. i had a couple comments. i want to thank you for being here. it is impressive the work we are doing. we are so focused on this work. hearing input from you andrewing on resources especially in san francisco is particularly significant. thank you for being here and thank you again, president cohen, for inviting guests like this to come and address so many of the topics we deal with regularly. i want to point out. a lot of folks commented and i would encourage the folks watching the commission to look
at the history of the bill, specifically the different versions that have come through. they will see there is a lot of hard work apcompromise that red us to the ultimate solution find. i am only commenting on it because so much work was done to get to where we are already. some of the things that stand out with community college is the broad diverse group of folks that are stakeholders. i want to articulate some of them. institutional institutions, community, law enforcement, leadership and employees. there shouldn't be any anonymity of those who want to redefine what public safety looks like. that is important.
the other thing that stands out to me. the bill calls for courses specifically for critical thinking, emotional intelligence, psychology, communication. ethnic studies and law for including these specific details in the bill and why it is important for the profession of policing. i appreciated there is a plan for financial assistance to underserved and disadvantaged communities. intentionality toward diversity will make a difference. finally the fact you addressed funding in the bill is really important. so often we talks about
aspirational ideas without contemplating funding resources. they fall on deaf ears or are difficult to implement. how this is going to happen makes a big difference. it is reflective of your leadership. thank you for working on the bill. thank you for being here tonight. also, invite you to draw upon the wealth of resources we have here with leadership like the chief that we have in san francisco with the commissioners we have on this commission in particular and with agencies like d.p.a. and communities that want to stand with you and by you to continue the work. if there are opportunities for us to make sure the bill is implemented in the way you envisioned as reflected in the history of the bill and other public safety related issues.
don't hesitate to call on us. thank you for being here tonight. it really is an honor. >> look, i worked for the city for 25 years. i am a recovering bureaucrat. i used to make elected officials make up stuff and wouldn't give me resources. i had to implement it. when it failed i got blamed for it. i swore i would never do that to anyone. i will provide all of resources for any bill i put together. it is not legislation, to be honest. it is implementation. i can legislate but if it is not implemented then i am doing it for my own ego. implementation is really more. the other thing that everybody needs to really globe on to. this is the only bill with
police chiefs, law enforcement and the anti-police and one unique component is we brought in scholars and educators. the three come together and community groups to make this happen. we have the middle capability. the people who don't know the job. it is the chief of police. >> people fighting for defunding the police. the cherry on the top was the league of cities endorsed this program. they are tried of getting sued. they all came on board for ab89. we have never seen a coalition like this ever before. they see we need to start at the
beginning. thank you for your comments. >> that is what the leadership looks like. >> thank you all. >> governor newsom signed ab331 which is another john sawyer bill. he signed this into law. this bill provides for an extension to the organized retail staff chp task force. our own chief scott was down in la for that public and the bill signing. how does this bill intersect with our efforts? sfpd efforts for organized retail time?
>> this bill is overarching and gives resources and help to reduce it. it takes each chief of police to take advantage of it to make it happen. not putting your chief on the spot but that is what it is for. i wanted to have a task force and funned in every city. now, i have copping say you know what? it is a good start. >> chief. >> i couldn't agree more, president cohen. this is really important for our city. we have significant challenges. i thank john sawyer when we were in long beach when the governor signed the bill this is something we have to do the
work. retail community who has to deal with when this is not addressed. consumer problems dealing with the problems of brokenness dependent on resource allocation funding. collaborative support which is important. when this was first introduced we saw significant cases here in san francisco that were solved by this task force configuration. we were begging for somebody to come along and initiate renewal of the funding and more funding. that has been done. we were part of the task force before the funding. we will be part of this task force with the california highway patrol.
this is big. not the only answer it provides us with the help to make this situation better. thank you for asking the question. we have to keep this going, in my opinion. >> so you know, that is one of those with the retailers actively pushed this to happen. chiefs of police push to make this happen. this bill was dead. we had to revive it. when i say dead. we missed a bunch of deadlines to revive it. with the leadership of the pro temand governor and speaker we did magic. we got this done in a week or two which is unhashed plaintiff. we can't give a speak in less than a week. it is approved and signed and done in 30-days.
that is how much the private sector and the community and the service workers wanted it. the drug rehab folks and when we work together we can solve about anything. >> our time has one out. are there any other last comment questions? seeing none. thank you very much. any parting wisdom for us or words to leave us with. >> thank you that you wanted to join and the heart work in developing the training program. i will call you more than once, two, three, four times. you will be part of it and keep working so that we can reduce
crime, which is all we want to do. i want to thank you. i want to apologize for not looking at you. i had to go to my phone. maybe next time i will figure out how to do this on the computer. >> that's good. come back and join us. >> thank you. >> following this conversation online we have a good dedicated following. this is elevating your message as well. thank you. >> have a good meeting. >> good night. >> members of the public to comment regarding line item 3 press star 3 now. >> also i wanted to make sure that i got a tweet someone had their hand up and they weren't called upon. i want to make sure we are fully
able to accommodate everyone's request for comment. thank you, sergeant. >> i am francisco dekosta. for bill 89 is going to take five years. why are they rambling about doing this and that. focus on the police force that we have here. we need to fill in over 400 slots now. if we don't have that, how can we address quality of life issues? you should be ashamed of yourselves how the taxpayer of san francisco, citizens have to
live in this city, having so many homeless, mental patients running all over the place and you are endorsing not funding the sheriff and police department. you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. the less people -- worst people in san francisco be are the politicians. i wouldn't call them bad apples. they are rotten eggs. politicians are commission, some of them. having said that, what can you all do within two years to restore the standards that we had here in san francisco? i have been monitoring the police commission for over 40
years. i know it when i see one from 100 miles. there are some on the commission. you are talking in circles, talking in generalities, what the hell are you going to do to help the citizens of san francisco in dire straits? >> thank you, caller. that is the end of public comment. >> thank you. next item. >> 4. adoption of minutes. action for the meeting of october 13, 2021. >> i have had a chance to review these minutes. i recommend no changes. public comment and motion to adopt. >> members of the public to make public comment regarding line item 4 press star 3 now. >> motion to adopt minutes.
commissioner burns. >> adopt minutes. >> second. >> second. >> thank you. >> motion to adopt minutes. commissioner hamasaki. >> yes. >> commission near yee. >> yes. >> commissioner byrne. >> yes. >> vice president ellyious. >> yes. >> president co-en. >> yes. >> you have five questions. >> passes unanimously. next item. >> line item 5. consent calendar receive and file action. electronic communication for third quarter 2021. items are routine for information purposes only. if you would like to discuss any items or place on future agenda presentation for discussion. there will be no discussion on
presentation on these items. >> thank you. okay. >> i need a motion for the concept calendar item. >> thank you. motion made by commissioner byrne absecond by commissioner yee. >> the adoption of minutes. are we doing consent calendar adoption? >> yes. >> i will second. >> i will motion it. >> second. >> thank you. >> on the motion to accept consent calendar. >> commissioner ham nasa key. >> public comment online item 5. press star 3 now.
>> you have two minutes. >> i am a resident of district 1. with respect to the bias reports inside the police department. i would like to understand if that is correct. i would like to see an outside party review the bias reports. i don't believe the police department is in a position to review their own communications. they have shown inability to plea vicinity bias. that is why blacks are six times subject to traffic stops. [indiscernable] i have serious concerns about the police ability to police themselves given these statistics. thank you.
>> thank you. >> that is the end of public comment. >> the any comments? seeing none i would call the vote. >> commissioners hamasaki, how do you vote? >> yes. >> commissioner yee. >> yes. >> commission near byrne. >> yes. >> vice president elias. >> yes. >> president cohen. >> yes. >> you have five questions. >> thank you very much. motion passes unanimously. keep going. >> line item 6. chief's report discussion. weekly crime trends provide an overview of offenses in occurs in san francisco. a brief overview of activities in san francisco having an impact on public safety.
commission discussion on unplanned events and activities the chief describes will be limited to determining whether to callendara future meeting. >> good evening. i want to start my report by introducing a guest we are visiting our department. deputy chief al murphy. he is visiting from edmonton in the province of albert take, canada. he is a part of the major city chief executive leadership institute program. what that program does candidates of -- are paired with a police chief outside of the department and shadow for a week and exchange ideas and mentor. i learned a lot from deputy
chief murphy and he is learning about being a police chief in san francisco. it is a rewarding program to be a mentor. i enjoyed spending time. deputy chief murphy got to see a lot of our department and city. i want be to introduce him to the police commission. they have a commission in their city is like ours. i would like the commission to welcome chief murphy to san francisco. >> thank you, chief scott. >> thank you. as far as the report. crime trends this week. we will talk about significant incidents.
violent crime we are up in homicides. two more than last year. 44 compared to 42. 13% decrease in rapes. 22rapes from 24 last year. 164. negative 4% with robberveys. 1800 compared to 1959 last year. assaults up 8%. 196 3com paired to 1816. human trafficking cases up 33%. 28 this year compared to 21 last year of this time. property crime we have challenges as prescribed in property crime. we are going in the right direction burglaries. 2% decrease compared to earlier
in the year. this is significant. 6031 compared to 6936 last year. our strategies are helping drive those statistics down. motor vehicle theft down slightly 4893 versus 4895 last year. arson 286 this year 250 last year. larceny thefts up 12%. 24218. compare to 21533 last year. total property crime we have 7% increase. 8% increase from last year. total crime increase for the year up 7% year-to-date overall. that is driven by property
crime. breaking ins 31% compared to last year. 2019 down 25%. 2018 we are down 27%. firearm or gun related crimes we are trending still in a good direction. closing from where we were earlier in the year. 186 gun violence related incidents compared to 145 last year at this time. that is going down. shooting victims 40% increase over this time last year which is significant and problematic. homicides 3 3com paired to 26. total gun violence 186 compared to 135, 35% increase in gun violence. reduction from where we were
four months ago. overall our stations compared to last year and to each other. largest number as far as statistically is bayview 49 49 shootings compared to 45 last year. tenderloin 38 compared to 21 last year. 3com paired to two last year. southern up by one. 10 compared to one. central district. richmond district down from this time last year. northern up by 5, 11 compared to six last year. park is up one. two compared to one last year. homicides by district. bayview we have the most challenges and issues.
12 of the 44 homicides in the tenderloin with nine. 44. park three and southern has five. in terms of homicide reductions. the station that has seen the most is inc. [indiscernable] gun violence 844 firearms recovered this year compared to 836. that is 1% increase year-to-date. year-to-date 169 compared to 111 this time last year. that is rather significant be increase. lastly, major events for this reporting period. we had an event today or incident today that i will
report on next week when i have more information. it was reported as suspicious death. 2800 block. officers responded to the call of deceased person at cahuga park. a lot more investigation needs to be done and i will have a investigation next week. that is an ongoing investigation. active shootings this week to report during this reporting period. first in the tenderloin october 26 at 2:39 a.m. 32 year old male was located suffering gunshot wound to face. security cameras in the leavenworth area. they located the vehicle they believed to have been involved in the southern district on
ninth and howard street. there was evidentiary covered from the vehicle. that investigation is ongoing. we have not made an arrest at this point for that particular shooting. the victim was expected to survive. second report is from the bayview district. this happened on october 28. overnight 3:14 a.m. victim 39 year old male in the area with gunshot wound. he stated he was chased. when a car drove by and a person unknown to him shot him. the victim was expected to survive. investigation is ongoing. no arrests have been made on that case. halloween overnight, halloween morning october 31st at 1:58 in the morning. victim 22 year old male shot and
transported to a local hospital. witness confirmed shooting occur add at filmore and filbert. suspect fled south on filmore. the officers located the bloods trail and the path of the suspect and victim. victim in stable condition. this is still underway and a lot more work to be done. if anyone has any information about the shootings in san francisco you can call our anonymous line if you wish to remain anonymous. (415)575-4444. other significant events to report. a significant series of home invasions robbery arrests this past week. during the months of august and september in the ink gel side
district. a group of suspected with firearms entered victims homes and robbed of property. there is information that ultimately led to the identity of five individuals in connection with each incident. as well as several incidents in the bay area outside of our city. october 20th two suspects were arrested in san mateo and taken into custody. one in elk grove in contra costa county and another in stockton. october 31st the final suspect was arrested in antioch. all five were taken into custody without incident. with the assistance of the local police and sheriff's department. these individuals that i am talking about were very active
we believe they were likely to commit more crimes. the investigation is ongoing. really happy with our team and the work they did with other agencies to get these individuals into custody and hopefully reduce the rate of home invasion robberies in the bay area. next event. it is a nonevent. our driver response unit under the leadership of the lieutenant that we tasked with this receive information that 100 vehicles were coming into the city at 11:00 p.m. on saturday, october 30th. our driving response unit was activation. that means officers were activated from across the city and coordinate the resources and they respond to an ongoing event
or they do ploy to try to prevent the event from occur anything the city. this is what they did. they responded to areas we have known to center historical events of this nature. they were servicesible in those respective areas and actually we learned that the folks who intended to come here decided to go elsewhere. that is what this work is about preventing the events from happening. i am happy to report they were able to avoid these event happening in our city. they take up an enormous amount of resources. we want to prevent them rather than to pursue them and get going. the last thing to talk about is another traffic fatality vehicle
versus motorcycle. on october 29 at 11:15 p.m. at harrison mission district officers responded to a single motorcycle rider traveling south on illinois street. medics arrived as the officers arrived. the victim was not breathing. resuscitation measures were performed and the victim was pronounced deceased at the hospital. it was discovered that the victim was retired oakland police department school officer. it is unfortunate anyway but my condolences to that department and the retired officer's family. strategies continue to focus on
auto burglaries. captains are outreaching with community to raise resilience. people be aware. lock the car. they also. [indiscernable] in japan town the palace of fine arts a lot of car break ins. focusing on hayes valley, filmore and upper colt street. these are 24/7 patrols. we deploy to issues and try to keep people -- try to be as consistent as we can to make sure we have visibility. in bayview we have increased burglaries. we have officers on uniform
patrol in late evening and early morning where this is happening. also ongoing efforts on the third street corridor with high visibility. foot beaten forcement and working with our community violence response team to continue to mitigate ongoing gun violence. we have the spotter technology in the city. some gun violence does not result in the victim hurt or shot, when gun violence occurs. if people hear shots we look for evidence to tie the shootings together to get to the root of the shootings involved. that is ongoing in bayview. our response team is doing good work. the outreach to the area of cities having problems with people in common we are dealing
with and trying to reduce gun violence in respeculative cities. tenderloin is focused on drug dealings. officers are deployed and redeployed. we had increased presence on golden gate. we also experienced increases in violent crime in the areas of golden gate. actually we had the privilege of walking the beat in the tenderloin on halloween night. it was very busy. a lot of officers were deployed. trying to keep some of the narcotics dealers at bay. it is really cat and mouse game. we will continue to enforce. it is a challenge that we will continue to deploy these strategies and others in the
tenderloin. we will continue. we have fairly around the clock patrols on market street. a couple hours where we don't have coverage. we are working with city employees returning to work. we have concern from city employees the fact that the platforms. a lot of the deployment in the tenderloin pushed it to market street. we are working to increase deployment and make sure our visitors are not seeing open air drug usage as they arrive and leave to take public transportation. that is an ongoing strategy. major events. veterans day parade upcoming on november 11th. we also have many events at the cape center including the
warriors. events at the park. outside this week was very successful from a policing standpoint. 75,000 per day is a public private partnership throughout the weekend with a thousand private security officers deployed as well as san francisco police department across the city. there is no significant incidents. we were busy with assisting with medical calls which our community handles the vast majority. a lot of drinking and incidents relating to drinking. very well organized and did to get the city back up and going to have the visitors having a good time.
that is my report for the week. thank you. >> any questions for the chief? anything at all? seeing none we will continue. >> one question. >> thank you. chief, i believe president cohen we talked a few weeks ago about setting a hearing on the state of drug dealing and open sales in the tenderloin. do we have that scheduled? >> thank you for reminding me? no, we don't. >> thank you. >> yes, i think that, chief, we have discussed this for years now.
the challenge is with the strategy and the lack of if it is not that i know that your officers are out there doing buy busts and filing cases and so forth. you know, i guess it would be better to wrap this into a broader presentation so we can have -- the community has really been advocating through various means at community meetings. tenderloin task force and others to have a coherent and comprehensive strategy at the end of it the streets in the tenderloin feel like they belong to the people who live there.
i think that hasn't been the case for -- that is part of the problem. it hasn't been the case for the 27 plus years i have lived here. now it is your job to take a shot at it. we all recognize the difficulties of the problem. i hope we can schedule that so we can really dig in. i know it is a concern for other commissioners as well. it wasn't a question. i was going to ask questions. it is probably going to take too much time and would be better done during the actual presentation on this. i look forward to that. >> there is a lot more work to be done. i look forward to that
conversation. >> in the presentation like what other resources are in the pipeline orthopedic under consideration? i know it is the mayor who has been advocating for safes, things like that. that deals with use not the sales but just how do we get to where things all right different and be people can start to feel like we have had an impact and it is not all on your department. to the degree you can wrap that into the presentation that would be great. >> will do. thank you. >> anything else? >> chief, there is an article today concerning the number of
police officers that have declined vaccination. any update on that situation right now? >> yes, thank you, commissioner byrne. the update from last week. the active officers unvaccinated last week was 40. now it is 38. we had two that have been vaccinated. hopefully maybe others will make that decision. there is no other changes in terms of the status of deployment and all of that. we have supplemented the deployment challenges with over time. that was happening before the mandate, but we had to rely on that in some instances, particularly for special event that take a lot of resources to deploy. the other part of this would be
the professional staff. there is 18 unvaccinated. those positions operationally there are quite a few police service aids at the airport doing traffic enforcement and that type of thing at the airport. we have to make adjustments there as well. the only update this week is we are two less in terms of we had two additional officers vaccinated now fully vaccinated than last year. -- last week. from 40 to 38. >> are there any resignation? >> there are retirements and resignations prior to today. this week i am not aware of any resignations this week as far as
the form side. we will see how that pans out in the next month or next few weeks. there are resignations and retirements since the mandate was put into effect, yes. >> do you know approximately how many? >> i don't but i can get that information and have it at next week's report. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> colleagues. >> commissioner yee. >> thank you very much, chief. this weekend was a very busy weekend for you guys. i was at the war years game. great news they won. i live in the richmond district. it was great for the city to
see so many people. i just want to point out something about the shootings in the month of october. they dropped 37%. if you look at the homicides for last week, it was zero. we continue on that trend. i hope we can bring down the homicides and the shootings. that is something that your plans and operations to your team and all of the officers i want to thank you guys for that. i wanted to reach out to you with regards to auto burglaries. that does happen in the city. as i look forward to maybe exploring the possibility of working with the city attorney
to look at the rental car industries that are not complying with the state regulations. meaning there are many out of state vehicles who unknowingly come to san francisco. that is the first thing i hear that these people that do the auto theft target. i guess instead of looking in they look at the license plates. usually it is the first car that gets broken into. maybe work with the strategy and the commission to bring legislation to the board of supervisors to mandate that these rent a cars comply with state laws and keep it away from
danger. sometimes president cohen i would like to work with you on that. it is about legislation for the rental cars making sure they don't rent, rent out of state vehicles to our, i guess, those that come to the city. that is one of the target cars broken into. hopefully we can reduce that. we can do legislation at the state level as well. >> every little thing happens, commissioner. thank you for that. >> the cleave office just sent over the car break in data you requested. it is on slide two now.
thoughts? >> thank you. on that particular case as on all cases, i sent out an sfpd e-mail to the entire department. i want to inform the members who might not have heard the news what is going on. secondly the basic that the process will play out on this. in all cases of this nature we need to be mindful of that process. we need to make sure we understand that anybody who is arrested and is facing the criminal justice system is innocent until proven guilty. there is some leadership things that need to be done. we welcome accountability we want to keep officers spirits up, heads up. we have a lot of work to be done. we want to make sure the
officers understand when they are doing the job that we asked them to do in the way we expect them to do it that they are supported. i think those things are what i try to message when these types of instances happen. also, on the other side of the conversation. a person lost their life. we need to be sensitive to that. i met mr. moore's mom at community meetings. nobody wins in this situation. let the criminal justice system play out and support the people involved as best as you can in the appropriate way to support them. keep us in a position where we hopefully don't find ourselves in this position. that is really my message to the public. really the same message to both. >> thank you for saying that.
take it to another level. it's very easy for us to take it. okay? mother and their babies are fed up with you. citizens are fed upwith you all . good citizens, working hard who given to so much to thecity of san francisco are fed up with youcommissioners . stop rambling . we don't wantpresentations. we don't want politicians here . >> clerk: president colin, that is theend of public comment . >> president: let's hear our nextpresentation . >> clerk: dpa directors report. reports on recentactivities and announcements. a brief commission discussion
will be limited to determine whether any of these issues should be raised for the future commission meeting . >> good evening. thank you all. i just want to acknowledge who i also talked briefly with the deputy chief from canada and i think it's great other jurisdictions are here in the city and following some of the leadership with chief scott, especially dealing with the separation of reforms and accountability. i think that's great and welcome to policecommission . we look forward to working with you and learning from you so there's things you can be sharing with us so let's not end the relationship since you're here in the city now. let's beginworking with you sharing information so i want to knowledge that . here's where dedeis right now . we are currently at 667 cases that have been opened thisyear
. we were at hundred 82 the same time last year. we closed 757 cases which is less than what we closed this time last year which was 769. we have 268 cases currently pending we are working onon the agency . we have the same 40 cases so far this year is a bit from last year. we have three cases where investigations have gone beyond a nine-month period. and we have 34 cases so far this year. of those cases that i'm referencing investigations have extended beyond nine months. those 20 cases, 17 of those are cold. in terms of cases that are pending, we have nine pending with commissioners and we have 14 that are pending with the chief.
this week we have a number of staff talk about some of our cases we received. we received 16 cases this week, a total of 37 allegations. 15 percent were alleging officersbehaving badly or speaking inappropriately . 11 alleging the officers conducted in an proctor improper search procedure and failed to take required action and another eight percent regarding an officer failing to issue a citation without cause. five percent an officer knowingly engaged in bias and remaining five percent relating to unnecessary or expensive course. the cases involve calls for service and domesticviolence . asearch of a residence . and officer intervening,
domestic violence incident involving parents and teachers during school drop off. trespassing case and a pretextual stop allegation. this is something new. i'm trying to prevent or information rather than less about the work that's coming in so this week i've had a breakdown by location. two of the cases came from central district. one of the cases came from airport division. two cases from southern station, two cases from the bayview . one was from mission, one from richmond, one from terry now. two from the tenderloin. three cases have not been determined yet for the location and more information is being collected and the investigations have started so we're trying to prevent
cross-reference of information provided maybe by congestion. i know we've already started this recently looking at the cases from internal affairs division so maybe some of this information would be correlated with the information they're collectingas well . we can settle on whatever the standard is and i'll continue at this time to collect more data and analyze it as it comes in to seewhat commission is interested in and what they like tofollow up on . in terms of the audit , this week dpa is now working with the office of the comptroller' . as a 12 month follow-up from the status of the police department implementation. this is for the recommendation made for the use of force audit at the award-winning national audit. from last year but as a reminder, those were the 37
recommendations made to help san francisco police department improve a straight and strengthen its use of force reporting and data collection processes and best practices as well as innovation and collection of use of force stayed up and public reporting. so that was in our last year that report was issued and those recommendations were made. and the results of implementation status published by the comptroller's office, they can be found on their website on dpa's website. for outreach this week again, the outreach can be found on our community events page. the new homepage and the website. i think it's easier to find a lot ofthis information . you track some of the work in realtime . but last week the we attended the racial equity collaborative
meeting on the city to address early intervention ideas for dealing with youth and alternative tools to juvenile hall. we also participated in the mega black meeting with african-american organizations here in the city that included the workshop on strategic foresight being given by one that came as an interactive exercise with dpa. we participated in an in person presentation in the workshop with chinese youth at the cyt youth program. that was this week as well. and terms of we have another item on the agenda.coming up. agenda item number nine. in the future of this meeting we're having right now, also just as a bit of information,
the staff were returned back to work in to dpa this week as well so our staff is going to be coming in where everyone will be in the office. as most people are already awarepeople continue coming into the office throughout the pandemic . especially picking up interviews and maintaining their ongoing work to the organizations work.tonight the president and senior investigator rex agent in case there are issues during the meeting that can be addressed by dba and once again, the contact information for. may want to reach out to the organization is at sf.org/the dpa or you can contact the agency through the phone, 7711. i believe that concludes my report for the evening.
you sure? >> sorry. this will just be a closed session. dpa has no casesthat are in closed session tonight . we received several calls and increased from wealth and disparities about the closed session cases. i have explained them in the past that we don't have cases. we were asked to report on the cases that were in closed session like we report on the others. i do report on those cases that are in closed session when they are concluded. iknow tonight's cases are all internal affairs cases . i would suggest maybe one of the other ways that internal affairs could report to some of their information to address concerns on the public about what's happening during closed
session. even though we can't comment on the ongoing specificcases to have that in him sort of conclusion may be helpful. i told them welcome disparities , i just want toarticulate this is not a time wheredpa has no cases inclosed sessiontonight . now i'm done . i forgot that part . and i know that call . >> president colin, i have one quickquestion . >> take it away. >> director henderson, i was wondering were we going to have a follow-up on the recommendation from the audit, where does that stand right now? >> that's a wonderful question. that's a question that should be directedto the apartment but i can tell you where they are with the recommendations that have been made . regardless though the results of the implementation status
are going to be published by the comptroller's office independently. that's one of the standards built into doingprofessional audits is that the follow-up is published in this case by a third-party agency . that process is going on now but specifics on the 37 recommendation they should be directed to the agency where the recommendations were given in october of last year. >> i remember it being explained that sort of there's certain ethical rules and doing an audit so it goes to what was that department? >> office of the comptroller. >> they're going to be engaging with the department on the recommendations? >> yes. we work with them and they ask us questionsabout what this was supposed to be . and the department i presume will have some follow up with it as well. and we are just starting that process now with .
>> sorry. i was going to ask the chief if there was a status from his en . >> we do track whatever the recommendations are. as director henderson pointed out they follow up with us so we do track. we can report on where we are. >> yes. >> i think initially we gave a status update of what we already have in place and the light but we would be happy whenever the commission wishes to report on where we are with a recommendation. >> maybe we can talk with president colin about a good time to schedule that . >> iq. >> president:let me get to my notes .
there's no real questions here. congratulations. >> i'm working hard over here. >> president: isend my thanks to the entire team . >> i will. >> president: let's hear the next section, commission report. is that right sergeant? >>clerk: public comment . members of the public that would like to make public comment regarding dpa's report press star 3 now. president: there appears tobe no public comment . >> okay. let's go to commission reports. >> line itemheight, commission port.
they will be limited to a brief description of activities and announcements . commissiondiscussion them in determining whether any recommendations in race for future missed meetings a presidents report , commissioners report announcements identified for consideration in a future commission meeting . >> anyone like to begin? all right, i will start. first i want to say i've had great conversation with jones slayer. just another example of this commission continues doing. if you have elected folks, committee folks stakeholders, anyone in the spacelease reform. authors , academics. just let me know so we can begin to bring them in to our conversation and alarger follow policy discussion .with that said i spoke with a
representative of the league of womenvoters about some items that this organization would like to see on the agenda . i spoke with a representative from blank that has some agenda items that we are discussing on bringing to this commission. i just am working with them to fine-tune their ask and make sure that the presentation is just tight. also, there was a comment about some concern about the prb fourthamendment policy . from the publicdefender's office , that i'm going to be following up on. i think it deserves some further review . those comments were emailed to you prior to this commission meeting.also, were going to be following up on 90 6a
extension. i think it she wrote a letter about the 90 6a extension to december 7. and i look forward to hearing that . that's all i have. that's all i have at this time. someone else? yes, mister yee. >> thank you madame president. i want to make an announcement that last week i was able to attend the first responders awards given out in chinatown to some of the first responder who recognized the san francisco central station officers starting with sergeant corbett shield and beat office lawrence feel. william law , dexter sang and philip lau.
it was i guess a packed house and it was great to see so many people in the community come out and our officers at central station and throughout the cit . it was a great event. hopefully we can do that throughout all of the communities throughout san francisco. looking forward to being with the chief probably nextweek . >> yes, sometime. >> also our marine i guess right along tomorrow. vice president cindy lis, are you ready? i think the weather should hold up andhopefully it stopped raining . >> we've got good rain this weekendand it's all good .>> thanks very much. >> i'm a little scared. i'm not good with motion.
>> commissioner, goahead and do a report back . >> i sure will. if did you want to live streams? >> number don't be live stream. it's like a report, just make it a good report that. so we can look at it. commissioner burns.>> last saturday the saturday before. the saturday before, assistant chief redmond and i worked at the emerald society dinner and after dinner they honored persons at the community. they honored to officers from the 1001 station, retired sergeantplus key, the other one is officer clifford .
it's very well attendedevent . people from the community but particularly the number of police officers . and second, i once again my session with the tenderloin, i noticed that there's some drug dealing going on down near the ymca building and clinic. and it touches the side which is leavenworth street between goldengate and church. and i've noticed it's still continuing along the corridor of church street between leavenworth and hyde street. and obviously there have been a series of violent crimes, violent incidents involving weapons and as commissioner you
pointed out i look forward to the meeting and i look forward to the presentation of this very important issue. most importantly concerning the health of the end of the day it concerns thehealth of and franciscans . what we can do as a commission and as a police force to help them in their way. and deal with the career. >> with that said, would any of you opposed to agenda rising date of open-air drug dealing and the tenderloin for the next commission meeting? >>. >> i would prefer it to meet after because we will have a meetingwith the chief >> in two weeks then. >> yes .
>> does that line work for you as well in two weeks. >> it does, thank you. >> sergeant let'swork together on making sure thatgets on the agenda . two weeks from today . thank you sir. colleagues is there anything else you would like to see again dies. commissioners lis, i know you got a lot on your plate. is that when you're working on? >> we're in the process of finalizing 3.01. my understanding is that dpa and the department have a very full conversation. and so we're often on the cusp of finalizing that.501 needs to come back to the commission with the updatedlanguage with respect to the training issue . hopefully we will be getting that soon . to pass in front of the
commission. and i think that it hopefully will also have the dto's coming up for us to vote on soon. >> commissioner i want to pull you into a meeting with myself and the light representative from the league of womenvoters . so we can get on the same page on this item. >> the other thing i wanted to say about the tenderloin with the agenda i issue is to perhaps we can have someone fromthe staff attendone of the local tenderloin meetings . i did , i was able to i think as commissioner hamasaki and i attended one ofthese meetings a lot of the committee members were expressing the same concerns that commissioner burns had been expressing . so this is doesn't need to be
something new. we need to check inwith the community that's going to be at the tenderloin meetings and se what they have to say and hopefully having somebodyreport on their position or experiences . maybe we can include that with the tenderloin presentation . >> iq . let's keep moving forward. >> members of the public that would like to submit public comments regarding commission reports press dark green out. and the president, there is no publiccomment . >> next item please. >> line item 9, presentation of the dpa disciplinary review board findings and recommendations. first and second for 2021 and discussion. >> good evening president:,
commissioners. executive director henderson, chief scott, members of the public eye and assistant chief robert mozer chief staff for the sf pd joined tonight by acting chief of staff and rosenstein and the dpa for tonight'spresentation. stacy, can you bring up the slide next please ? next slide . next slide. tonight's presentation regarding our third quarter disciplinary reviewor findings or recommendations . we've had our third quarter meeting was held tuesday, july 13 and the board members for disciplinary review which were set by the general orderare myself , the chief of staff, deputy chief of operations bureau and deputy chief of administration bureau and our advisory board members are representatives from the police commission along with a representative from the
department of police accountability . typically it's the chief of staff. next slide please. >> good evening commissioners and the public. my name is diana rosenstein. i am acting chief ofstaff at the department police accountability . i will be presenting with respect to the aggregate trends identified by date department of policeaccountability during the first quarter , second quarter of 2021. although i was not present during the meeting i understand that the committee and our chief of staff sarah hawkins identified three trends with respect to the type of cases we are seeing. the first is thefailure to activate body worn cameras . the second is iwill use someone's earlier comment . police officers behaving badly. inappropriate comments and
adverse effects on the public and not using courtesy with the public and the third is the writing of incomplete or inaccurate reports.>> next slide. there we go. the aggregate trends identified by internal affairs division during that same time we have to four. one was failure to activate body worn camera which is was the same as dpa. the second trend we saw was the loss of department property or equipment. the third was an inappropriate useof the department email system . and the fourth was failure to attend dpa interviews or to complete a dpa response form as ordered. next slide please. so for policy failures ig did
not have any policy failure cases identified inthe first or second quarter . and i'll turn it over to them to talk about dpa. >> dpa had seven casesresulting in policy failures are in the first and second quarter . these cases included to use of force cases, one conduct unbecoming an officer case. to failure to revise cases and two cases are officers failed to prepare an incident report as required. >> next slide please. for training failures ig did not have anytraining failure cases either in the first or second quarter . >> dpa identified four cases with trainingfailures findings .these included to use support cases that also have policy failure findings that's particular case, there were several cases that had a
training failure funding, one neglect of duty for failing to comply with thedepartment notice and one faced with a finding of unwarranted action or improper search and seizure . >> okay, the drv had four recommendations that came out of our last meeting. recommendation number one was to provide an update for addendum to the department social media policy as well as case law regarding social media so officers are aware of what they can and cannot post on social media. this book to officers personal use of social media and making sure officers are aware of where they stand in terms of being able to host and when that post crosses the line to having a department nexus to really understand that and make sure that we're putting this towards any relevant case law as it develops so we are workingtowards that through the
internal affairs division . recommendations of two which create a policy to have visors or senior officers conduct informal training or officers whenever they become aware that officers were involved in a case the prosecuting agency dismissed to report the amendment issues. this particular recommendation came out of a case where a investigating sergeant received our record of investigation from the district attorney's office that had information that really should have been pushed down to the officer level. to make them aware that there were fourth amendment issues in the case.and it wasn't done. this is really a case wherethe recommendation is important . followed with these records of investigation to get them and if there are issues whether it be a fourth amendment issue or any kind of training issue that we can use to train the officers and better informed not only the individual
officers but department as a whole that really kind of developing that policy to make sure that information is being brought forward. next slide. >> recommendation three was to create rollcall training to reiterate incidents where an incident report is mandated. making sure officers taking action reports. training should differentiate between merely accurate reports as opposed to a report as clearly false and that training example should improve examples of interactive course.the training should be prioritized for developing and implementation. >> just really kind of speaks to a couple of things and if you noticed earlier in the presentation there were some cases where at least there was one case where officers should have taken a police report and didn't .
and we have seen some on the internal affairs site aswell where officers could have been thinking support and they did not. kind of the first part of this is to make sure that we're reiterating to our officers when we should be taking reports and when we shouldn't . the second part of that is to make sure that officers are including the proper information in the reports and given examples that we've seen, from the internal affairs dpa side of when we had reports that are inaccurate, a couple of examples that we had our inaccurate date of birth. inaccurate vehicle description or another one was an inaccurate criminal chronology of events. it's important that we redirect that training. we do that at the economy. this called for taking it to the next level and developing a rollcall training brought out and that's something the
economy is looking forward to. and then recommendation number four was for the department to develop a mechanism to update officers when cases are decided that make substantial changes to the fourthamendment law to prevent unlawful search and seizuresand the department to also develop early updates. regarding fourth amendment law . that's another area that we've been working on . we have actually pushed out severalupdates to the fourth amendment law search and seizure via theeconomy . probably most noticeable , of note, most noticeable would be we did one on warrantless searches ofvehicles. entering residents as well . we also had 2021 legislative update. and really really moving towards putting those out more frequently and certainly as relevant case law comes up . and then the final slide is regarding our next meeting which is for november 19. that's a friday of this year.
staff, with that i willopen it up to any questions or comments you may have . >> president: anyquestions ? >> i do, president:. thank you stacy mosher and miss rosenstein. i'd like to turn to slides four and five. i see that the aggregate trends continues tobe the one that's still there. the failure to activate body worn cameras .and i'm wondering why this is still happening given the fact the body worn camera policy has been in place for several years. and yet it's still the number one on the list of aggregate trends and in terms of discipline cases. why is this still happening and what can be done to curtail some of these violations?
>> -diane if you want to go from the dpa side i think i can speak from that site as well. >> is hard to answer the question of why i can certainly try to answer thequestion of what can be done . in several key hearings i've attended personally, i think in other meetings i've suggested and i will suggest this again that i think it would be great if the officers were given a clear message that no officer is getting penalized for turning on their body worn cameras too much and there are mechanisms by which if they actually record video that is deemed to be irrelevant orhave no evidentiary value , that recording is purged so they don't have to worry about picking up too much data usage,
etc. i'm giving them the message that don't worry about the data side, that i think will help tremendously and encouraging them to turn it on by saying you're never going to get in trouble for turning it onto much with a few small exceptions that are enumerated in 10.11 but youwill get in trouble for not turning it on and off . i think several deputy chiefs but i haven't spoken to chief mosher or scott about it is to ask officers that are involved in cmc are training to implement the turning on of body worn cameras to the cmcr training. it's a great opportunity for them to practice muscle memory and also a good opportunity for them to realize that i think the biggest reason given from
officers when we question them about this issue is that they are concerned forpublic safety and cmcr training addresses that . for public safety and for themselves.it will give them an opportunity to see that very quick action is not going to interfere. hopefully in most situations with public safety.that would be dba's recommendations regarding what to do. >> one thing i like to start off with is although we still see these as atrend , certainly what we're seeing from the apartment side is that the numbers are decreasing. and in body worn camera violations. we had seen quite a few more a few years ago and i think as we move forward certainly with training and as we move in time in the department we start seeing less and less. i think that what we see are
really two different kinds of body worn camera violations. one is which is the failure to turn it on and off which is much more problematic than the second type which is late activations which sometimes we see these policy required to turn them on immediately . sometimes we see these getting turned on a minute or two into the interaction and unfortunately that's not capturing the full interaction. we need that's the purpose of the body worn camera so we're seeing those as well. a few things that we've done i incorporated intorollcall training .at the academy . really kind of pushing that message down to the stations as well. i know that sarah hawkins has attended sometraining with the academy . in conjunction to talk about various issues includingthe body worn camera issue .
we have beenimplementing those . you'll be happy to know that into our training to get more of that muscle memory intothe training as well . to make sure that officers, you've got to train like you operate out in the field. part of that is begot to be realistic as possible and include that body worn camera so that it's something that we're working on training as well. >> i would ask you to follow up with dpa and hopefully figure out othersolutions to address this situation . my second question is with respect to slides six and seven where on slide six i a have no cases resulting in policy failure dpa at seven than on slide seven, i have no cases resulting in training failures yet dpa has four. why is there such a discrepancy with respect to how with ia
versus dpa? >> that's a good question. typically it's really the manner in which the case comes to us. as you know, dpa their jurisdiction is on duty misconduct.so a lot of their cases deal with issues that arise in the field. and that have to do with policies, procedures, and that's really kind of the main avenue where you see those policies and training failures. not to say we don't have the ability to have that over in the ia side but the ia side really kind of deal with more of those internal complaints that come out and really off-duty behavior. so don't tend to see as many of those. it's really kind of a function of how they come to us the primary conduit is through dpa. one thing i want to add on the policy and training failure
cases which i certainly believe and the department believes it's a step in the right direction . it's that we have had conversations. i had a conversation with sarah hawkins and diana rosenstein about kind of the format in which those are brought to us and really making sure that when they get to us, we have the full picture of what's behind those training failures and what's behind those policy failures and making sure they get to the chief level so we can make sure there don't with appropriately and that we take the appropriate steps to correct that training failure. to correct thatpolicy failure so we don't get additional cases . >> i can address that as well. that is correct. we are crafting and discussing a mechanism of creating a digital way to provide that
information to as spd by way of reports that contain evidence to support our policy findings and training findings so that sfpd can understand where you're coming from and how we came to that decision and can better implement any policy and training failures, solutions by seeing the whole picture of our cases because in the past they've basically gotten the report but not our analysis and not the underlying evidence that werelied on to make that decision . probably that will help them alsoimplement solutions when we bring these issues up . >> i know stacy mosher, you said the source of where you
get your cases has an effect on why there's this discrepancy between the two but i guess maybe miss rosenstein addressed this. even if you don't get the complaints from the actual citizens, dpa provide that information to you and the chief has the ability to either sign off on these violations or not so there's an opportunity for the department to review what dpa considers a training failure or a policy failure. so i guess i'm still a little confused as to the discrepancy. >> you're correct, it's just a matter of how we get those. they are not ie initiated complaints, they are dpa initiated complaints . they still come through to the chiefs level but they are housed under dpa so they come through that conduit, not through the iag side.
>> you can agreethere's a policy training but you won't report it because it's dpa driven ? >> it is reported as dpa's case so it's dpa's case and find it. it's not ied's funding. >> you don't have the ability to disagree or agree? >> we do. it's just a matter of how extracts. so it's tracked via dpa because it's coming throughthe dpa pipeline . a complaint is made dpa finds sustained by our policy failure and it comes out through the regular pipeline and the chief has the opportunity to go ahead and take action and review it just as you would any other case. it's not counted as an ied case because we didn't initiate it. it was initiated and discovered and found by dpa.
>> okay. so these seven that were failures, did the department not agree with dpa on any of the seven? >> that i'd have to go back and look at the individual cases but i don't have any knowledge of any cases where regarding training failures that we've gone back and said we don't agree with. >> that would be good to know because i think the chief is very dedicated and committed t consistency . so i think that would be good to know whether or not the department , where dpa and department are merging on those kind of issues. the other question and i was going to thank my fellow commissioners for your patience. i got a few more questions. i see the proposed
recommendations, you have four of them. with respect to recommendation number one aboutthe social media policy , what specifically is the department doing to educate officers on this ? and has dpa been consulted in how you're going to educate officers? because one of the issues i know has come up in the past and i think you've also tried to remedy is it's the department and dpa bringing cases so it's important to have that collaboration when you're educating officers because it's not only the department that's going to bring cases but dpa does as well. it would make sense to me that the department is consulting with dpa on these issueswhen you do educate officers . there's a really robust discussion and information divided . >> another good point.i think that as we look at this it's really probably best would fall
under the discussion of dpo 2.9 which is currently in the development stage and that's one we would be consulting and talking with dpa on. this particular one talks about off-duty behavior and it's really kind of personal, social media primarily unless somebody's posting but it's about single social media accounts and really just making sure that officers understand and are aware of when you may cross that line and you create a nexus to the departmentof what you're saying and what you're doing . it's important that we give officers the most updated information so i think that's probably the best way that we can address it. >> even though it's off-duty behavior they still can be hel
, be subject to discipline. i think it's really important that dpa is brought into this conversation. especially when it comes to i can just interject dpo 2.09. we are definitely eager to participate with the department with respect to that type of work because you're right. this particular recommendation addresses two somewhat distinct situations. one which is the opposite of personal use of social media then there's also the use of social media by officers in order to investigate criminal activity. and it's not just 2.09 that will address that. i think 5.16 to some extent addresses it because it also applies to influence. when officers apply for a search warrant and what they have to disclose about the investigation over social media
but it's definitely an emerging area of the law in light of legislation and it's also an emerging area ofinvestigation . when i first started at dpa i didn't see any cases that involve investigation of social media and shortly before i became acting chief i saw three. so it's definitely an area that needs to be explored and addressed through the policy avenue .>> we look forward to helping the department grasp and help with that. >> if i could add, this is the latter. the latter point that was raised by staff. we have been in conversations for many months now working on draft language and the public defenders office. we are waiting on their input. they have a draft of the
initial language. we will expand this to dpa of course. we will have opportunities to wait in but this was a conversation initiated during our monthly check in between the public defender and we started with policy language and that's been ongoing for several months and over six months. more to come on that and we will expand that but we are making progress on those discussions and that draft language. >> president: with respect to recommendations to , i wanted to know deputy mosher if you for the department have been reaching out to the das office or collaborating with them with respect to the cases that are discharged becauseeither fourth amendment issues or investigatory problems . my thinking in talking with sharon wu on the das office that they keeptrack of this stuff . when discharged, a cases
discharge and there's not an ability to prosecute that information is provided to the department . so what is the department doing tokeep track of that data does it stare . >> that's what this case was about. it was enough of this recommendation came out and it was a situation where the district attorney's office divided information and a record ofinvestigation at the close of the case . it really was a matter of that sergeant did not take the next step and say to the officers a, this was an issue withthe case . so it's really trying to make sure that we're taking those records of investigation that were making sure not only the individual officer knows that this is an issue with the case but also if there's training opportunities that we can train that were doing that. so that's something that i've
been in conversation with the operations and investigations side of the house to make sure thatthey're tightening up that process when we're getting those records of investigation . >> i think next timewhen you report can you provide the number . since the department has the data of how many cases have been back to the department for either fourth amendment violations or inaccurate for incomplete investigations because i think that's important information . and then my last question and i'll stop is with respect to recommendation number four. when i spoke with the cmc artie had a great idea about disseminating fourth amendment information to officers . it appears those are the kinds of cases that have been appearing before the commission with respect to discipline which is to provide shortvideos for officers , i know instead of doing bulletins had
suggested that perhaps the department invest in a little short video to train officers on thefourth amendment issues and violations that are occurring . that's one of the things that i wanted to ask the second thing is that have you been consulting dpa with respect to these fourth amendment, the information you're sending to officers and the reason i asked that is again because dpa brings cases based on fourth amendment violations and sometimes the department doesn'tagree with that . and i think it's beneficial to officers that they get for our provided information from both sources. additionally it was dpa who provided language which was very important to the search issue in dpa 5.03 and it was there language we ended up using. i think they definitely need to be at the table and your when
you educate officers onfourth amendment violations . if it's just a department providing the information and not receiving input from dpa which is the other charging agency it is a disservice to the officers . >> you're correct. part of our overall plan is to develop a fourth amendment training course for officers and that's something we've been working on for some time and that would include working with the dpa on that as well. in this recommendation talking about caselaw and making sure we're putting caselaw out but you're absolutely correct. this kind of speaks to the training piece of it as well. that's something that we would be working on down the line as we create this bigger training course for our officers.
>> president: the next time you report could you give us an updateon the collaborative efforts you're taking with dpa with respect to the collaborations or any future recommendations . i know when we were at the last dr , i think it was you and chief yee that indicated the importance of having dpa go out to the station and informed officers of the trends andwhat they're seeing . thank you. >> thank you for the thorough line ofquestioning andanalysis . i appreciate you doing that work on behalf of the commission . any other that areinterested in asking the deputy chief ? >> you just can't see my little hand. >> i see you now, speak up.
>> not something i have a problemwith . thank you so much. that conversation you had raised a lot of the issues i was going to raise because i was going to explain why the numbers were different but you guys already really exhausted it so i won't repeat any of that because i think it's informative specifically with the folks watching the league of women voters in particular like to have an explanation and a follow-up. i'm glad we're having that conversation so people understand basically the things that stood out that i wanted to comment on i think is outstanding and thank you for talking about or giving the update on the social media policy being in the works. that's phenomenal and i think it's something a lot of people want to talk about and it also speaks to a lot of the conversations we've had in the
past about having that be reflected in those investigations on what's going on with social media especially what folks are saying or putting into the public stream of information. the other thing that i think stood out to me just from that presentation was mosher, you talked about the accuracy of the police report. not just having that be a policy but having that embedded with training it's best practices so that is a big deal and i want to commend the department for moving in that direction of having not just the policy but connecting it to the training. that really is an answer so thank you to that and i did want that to be law in conversation as being addresse . the final thing was we started the conversation talking about body worn camera and one of the other recommendations that we had with body worn cameras is having aggravated disciplines for flagrant violations and repeat violations over a period
of time but i only wanted to flight because dpa has been in conversation myself with the chief in addressing some of these concerns is that she has been involved in watching these trends and trying to come up with solutions at least at the highest level as well. i didn't want that to be missed either. the final issues that i was going to report our the reporting with the fourth amendment case violation. i didn't know if we determined what that would be.would that be with the internal affairs cases, orderly, monthly and we said it would be the next time there's a report but i'm not sure what that timeframe would be.i just wasn't surewhat your intention was . thank you, i think commissioner elias was talking about it and
we said if we were going to have reporting on a court case, fourth amendment case rejections were they just going to be a fourth amendment case rejections you wanted from the district attorney's office or the otherbecause it happens in every case . >> i think fourth amendment violations and incomplete, because they can come back if there's an incomplete investigation. i think those two categories should definitely be, the data should be processed so we can take a look at it. >> did you want that as part of this report or amonthly report ? i wanted to get the timeframe in terms of what you are expecting to make sure we're on the same page. >> we can try for a quarterly report at this point. i don't know what the initial
data is going to show. i want to give the department time to obtain that data. i know it's there for chair wu so i want to give him time to collect it. and then based on what we see in the quarter review we can discuss whether it needs to be more frequent and whether the numbers will tell us whether that's recognizing whether that willwarrant further discussion . >> i wanted specifications to know what to expect since we are doing our work on the other side i wanted clarification and thank you to the man from the department indicating that their plan was to work with dpa for their fourth amendment training my training was was it contemplated that by working with dpa we would see the material before it's delivered so we could get input or did that mean we would be invited to participate when the training is given, i wasn't sure in terms of the timeframe.
>> i'm hoping that invite you beforehand. >> i don't like to make presumptions which is why i was in the weeds about whether we will be working with dpa, what does that mean so i can prepare my policy my legal teams to make sure that we can contribute as much as we can sense we are willing to do effectively. >> they need you at the preplanning because once they roll it out that has no effect and like i said, i think it's a disservice toofficers . they need both charging agencies at the table to know what kind of violations are being charged, what the trends are and what theycan do so that they are subject to discipline . the more information both you and the department can provide puts them in a betterposition. i'm shocked at how many
officers don't understand the disciplinary process . knowledge is power so i think the department engaging dpa is beneficial to the officers and the circumstances providing them information . >> i know carol lacey has been in regular communication with folks over on the dpa side. i know during my previous conversations with chief of staff hawkins that she was involved also in some kind of preliminary training as well up at the academy and that was very well-received but certainly as we move forward in any kind of formal training it makes sense that we have to hear from both sides. the department and dpa because dpa is saying the complaints,
they need to be part of that conversation to make sure our officers understandwhat's going on and we're training them in the right way to avoid those pitfalls . >> i wanted more specifics. thank you verymuch, both of you .>> i appreciate your dedication to doingthis . >>. >> i'll be brief. wanted to talk about on page 8 the proposed erv recommendations on item number one regarding socialmedia . you know what officers are out in the community and they have events and but it's people that are at these events do take pictures with them and posted
on socialmedia . these are guidelines for that and my question is would be to the department and monitoring social media pertaining to san francisco's police department on one in 47 bases. there's an event that pops up that triggers that so that it doesn't get out there so that something is gone in a household should happen if there's a flash. when pictures cantravel . i guess this would be monitored on a consistent basis. is theresomebody doing at the department . maybe over at dpa also where we
do craft these things and making sure that we're aware of it before it gets out there assistant chief robert moses. >> what i can tell you is over on our media relations side we have the ability to have certain like san francisco police department affairs and certain taglines we have the ability to see those as more of life in new stories but quite often sometimes it will appear in twitter and sometimes we see things that way but were not proactively monitoring officers personal socialmedia accounts . however, we occasionally including what this speaks to
is if you had an officer ... >> low battery. >> okay. and in this particular case really involved an officer who was basically on their personal social media accounts and really crossed the line and sort of identifying this police officer talking about how the board went into the misconduct range . that's how we heard about that. there's certainly different ways that these cases would come to ourattention . >> maybe we can talk a little more about this but i think we need to be proactive in making sure that we do some sort of program where it does, but it does happen that somebody in
the department is looking at i . especially before it gets out of hand and addresses this as soon as possible. we just don't want to get bombarded in the media on social media. i just want to beproactive as compared to reactive . >> we do just for clarification we do monitor all of our department devices so all our cell phones, emails, all our electronic devicesare monitored . within department equipment. >> that you very much chief. >> president: thank you. i think we can conclude this portion of our agenda and continueforward. sergeant youngblood . we can take public comment.
>> members that would like to make public comment regarding line item 9 these press star 3 now good evening caller, you have 2 minutes. >> caller: what i want to say on this topic is when it comes to the social media, none of you all who have been talking now for the last 45 minutes our experts. this is something new. so before you bring an item on the agenda you need to run it by some experts. some of you don't even know when something starts with dpa goes up the chain. so you're renting it out here to the public and the public is listening to you all and you're betraying your ignorance.
so you need an expert. who understands the issues on social media. much like what is happening before congress. you all are not the supreme court. nor do i have any idea, absolutely no idea in what direction this goes . so if an officer hires a law firm that specializes in social media, the first amendment rights or whatever rightshe has , you will lose. you will lose. the way you've got to do it is the educated on issues. don't come here in a public on virtual meetings and betray yourignorance .
thank you very much. >> thank you caller and from a previous caller, the anonymous who wasn't able to comment as written in a comment and ithink if we could read it out loud . >> president: let's do that speed nine this was in reference to line items you. the police commission should continue to accept public comments by computer and phone and as soon as possible in person as well and should also amend the bylaws or rules order to permit public comment by computer and phoneeven after the emergency situation . as the other commenters stated virtual public comment allows more equitable access by allowing persons who cannot physically appear especially for long periods of time the police commission. people without transportation and much more.
in light of whatever might cause liability your process for taking public comment should be modified.consider sunshine ordinance ruling and library users associations regarding the exact problem that occurred today your staff should wait30 seconds to reject the queue before closing public comment . that is the end ofthat comment . >> president: okay. duly noted. okay folks. let's keep moving forward. >> line item 10, public comment pertaining to all items including public comment on item 11 whether to holditem 12 in closed session . members of the public who would like to submit public comment press star 3 now. and presidentcolin, there is no public comment .
>> we will keep moving forward. >> line item 11 folding whether to hold item 12 in closed session including whetherto insert attorney privilege to items a and b due to code section 67.1 with no action . >> let's take public comment and limited to discussion. >> we do that on the previous line. >>my apologies, let's take a motion . motion made by commissioner elias,is there a second ?>> second. >> president: second by commissioner yee. rollcall vote. [roll call vote] >> clerk: you have 5 aye's.