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the interior ministry had warned that live fire would be used if security forces were attacked. it all escalated quickly. first tear gas then automatic weapons from the police station. i did not see demonstrators with guns, but the official media hearsay many in the crowd were armed. say many in the crowd were armed. some bullets came very close. there was fire into the walls in the last couple of minutes just above where we were. for hundred people in the crowd -- several hundred people in the crowd have retreated. a sign of the danger on the streets of cairo, the divided nature of society, the absolutely combustible mixture of people who oppose the military coup, people who support the muslim brotherhood,
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versus badly armed security forces. further down the square, other people were trying to get out of the line of fire. some jumped or fell. in ramseys square itself, they pulled out steel fences to use as barricades. it wasn't just happening in cairo. this was alexandria on the mediterranean coast, egypt's second city. clashes and deaths have been reported from across the country. wounded, dying, and the dead were carried out of the square. more and more of them. many were taken back to a mosque where some had prayed before the protest. treatedf counties were -- casualties were treated, and
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they kept coming in. the euphoria that followed the removal of the old dictatorship in 2011 seems like a long time ago now. army'sers of the actions, and there are many in egypt, will not have much sympathy for the casualties. this procession, they have been carrying bodies up the stairs now for most of the time we have been here. the main floor of the mosque. that is the place where the casualties are coming in. there is another body coming up the stairs right now. clashes broke out in different places in cairo throughout the afternoon. the army and its supporters say the fate ofing armed islamists. the army's opponents also include secular people who are disgusted by the violence and the military coup. they fear egypt's old security state is coming back. peace, politics,
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not guns. positions are getting more entrenched. tonight this fire near the square is spreading to a blood bank in the red crescent building next-door. egyptians are fighting up their arguments in the streets. jeremy bowen, bbc news, cairo. >> is there any hope of reconciliation between the army and supporters of the deposed president? or is the gap between them simply too large to overcome? our security correspondent frank gardner reports. crisis comes down to a standoff between two of the countries most important institutions, the military and the muslim brotherhood. that organization has millions of grassroots supporters. many have come out on the streets. an even greater number of egyptians called for the end to the muslim brotherhood's incompetent you're in power. their president mohamed morsi lost the brotherhood a lot of popularity.
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still the oldest and most influential political organization in egypt. since he was ousted, his supporters feel cheated. aty have been hitting back police stations, churches, and the symbols of government. egypt is turning increasingly violent. >> al qaeda and other militant groups will seek to exploit the situation. they will throw their political support behind the brotherhood, and at the same time, attempt to recruit from more disenfranchised members of the brotherhood. >> the government says this footage shows muslim brotherhood supporters firing at police despite calls from their leaders for peaceful protest. with so many deaths and emotions running so high, there is now an increasingly unbridgeable gap between the muslim brotherhood and the authorities on the other hand, backed ultimately by the egyptian army. the army is huge, rich, and largely respected. conscriptsusands of
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are drawn from the slums of egyptian society. it controls up to a third of the economy. >> it is a big employer. it has many economic interest. -- interests. it is not just about defending national boundaries and borders. it is also about defending the national identity. >> it has also got a powerful partner, the united states. with joint exercises like these, the two countries have a close strategic partnership. over $1on gives egypt billion a year in military aid, but that doesn't mean it is calling the shots. >> we see that declining influence as a hard reality. it means, in fact, since the beginning of the arab spring, i think foreign and outside influence has really declined as arabs seek to work out their own future. >> egypt's police and security forces are viewed differently. they have been blamed for recent massacres. but senior officers from both the police and army are once
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again being given plum posts as provincial governors come a cementing their grip on the country. some fear it is returned to the old military dictatorship. escalating,lence others will prefer that to a descent into chaos. frank gardner, bbc news. on the events unfolding in egypt and international reaction, i'm joined now by amy hawthorne, senior fellow at the elected councils center -- at the atlantic council center for the middle east. you have called on the president to suspend aid to egypt. why? >> this was a recommendation that i and a number of other egypt experts made reluctantly, knowing that it is the least bad choice of a number of bad options. he made the recommendation for two reasons. we are due that the current course that the u.s. is pursuing is not working. continuing to provide military aid is not having any influence
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-- it is not allowing our diplomacy to achieve our main goals. thatd, we do not believe the united states should be tacitly endorsing in any way the actions of this egyptian government. >> when you speak to people inside the administration, do you think they are likely to be suspending aid? is probablyt unlikely. it is considered a very dramatic step politically. because of the way our military aid to structure, and this is a problem united dates needs to address at some point, it is difficult to suspend it. >> one of the arguments against it is, what if vladimir putin were to appear in cairo with a load of cash? >> there is nothing to stop vladimir putin from trying to do that now or at any point in the future. that egypt gets something from its relationship with united states that a country like russia cannot provide. even if the aid is replaced, the larger context of the relationship cannot be substituted. >> do you think that the interim
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government is going to listen to the u.s. now? wereweek, u.s. diplomats advising against this course of action. >> it is likely that they may not listen. the egyptian government is going to make the decisions that it believes are in the best interest of its country. by suspending aid, the united states will be making our position and where we stand much more clear. i think that is in our strategic interest with respect to egypt. >> egypt is key to the u.s. strategic interests in the u.s. -- in the middle east. you lose all leverage at the time when middle east peace talks are going on for the first time in three years. >> the key issue that form the basis of the u.s.-egypt strategic relationship, israeli peace, arab-israeli peace, a moderate foreign policy in the , these countering iran' are all things in egypt's own interest. egypt is not pursuing these because we are giving them aid. strategic cooperation would
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continue even if we suspend aid. sothe middle east is volatile. do get the sense the administration is -- has a strategy? >> putting out fires, take it day by day. reaching -- we have reached a turning point in egypt. we have to make a choice. >> amy hawthorne, thank you for joining us. thousands of people gathered at the mine in south africa to remember 34 workers who were shot dead there a year ago. they went on strike in protest over pay and conditions and more a tonic. the shootings led to an inquiry, but there is growing anger that nobody has held that has been held accountable. there were also allegations that weapons were placed beside the dead afterwards. andrew harding reports. now, and been a year the wounds are slowly healing. the 24 growth still lives in the shantytown that surrounds -- the 24-year-old still lives in the
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shantytown that surrounds the mine. a place associated with this. when south african police fired on a group of striking miners, he was at the front and among the first to fall. 34 men died that day. >> i am amazed i survived. >> he shows me a massive star. >> the police have accused him of shooting at them. my heart is broken. it is not true. if they -- if we are guilty, lock us up. if the police are guilty, they should also be jailed. >> justice remains elusive. iss commission of inquiry moving at a snails pace, although it has heard damming evidence against the south african police. including these pictures which clearly show that weapons were placed beside the bodies of minors after they had been killed. -- miners after they had been killed.
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frustration was tangible as people gather to mark the anniversary. >> what happened here shocked south africa, but has it really triggered any serious changes? feel angry andl underpaid. the unions are still at each other's throats. the police insist they did nothing wrong. remarkably the government and ruling party did not show up. it felt at times like an opposition rally. peace!ust have peace with who? nobody is here. >> he got his chance. >> we want to see or know that who sent the police who came to kill us here. gosh, and the almighty powerful name of jesus -- >> is a question that still hangs in the air here. the mining company did say
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sorry. a year on, these people want more. andrew harding, bbc news. anger a year after those miners were shot dead and you're watching bbc world news america. still to come on the program, drones are fundamentally altering the nation of ash nature of combat. ash nature of combat. -- the nature of combat. ecuador isnt of authorizing an expiration in a pristine part of the amazon rain forest. protesters angered by the news gathered in front of the presidential palace to register their discontent. the president says the fault lies with rich nations who reneged on a promise is. our correspondent reports. >> this part of the amazon literally teems with life. a single hectare of the rain forests in netware -- and ecuador contains more tree
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species than all of north america. it is home to indigenous tribes who shun modern development. .hey may have little choice now this area also sits on top of 20% of ecuador's oil reserves, worth more than $7 billion. the country's president says he has no choice but to cancel a pledge not to drill. sadness, but also with absolute responsibility to our people and history, i have had to take one of the hardest decisions of my government. today i have signed an executive trust,to dissolve the and with that, i put an end to this project. outside the presidential palace, opponents demonstrated, but the government says foreigners are to blame. some years ago, the country offered to leave the oil in the ground if rich nations paid half its value, more than $3 billion, but ecuador has received less
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than half of 1% of that sum. this is what environmentalists fear. oil pollution in the pristine environment of the amazon basin, destruction of natural habitats. the government says less than 1% of the area will be drilled, but ecuador is poor and oil is its biggest export. this is a trade-off between ecology and economy. bbc news. >> when it comes to modern warfare, perhaps no issue is more controversial than the issue of drones. they have been a key part of the u.s. campaign to target extremist groups in places like yemen and pakistan. at the same time, they have changed the nature of combat. who pulls thene trigger and those on the receiving end. so argues mark bowden, the author of "black hawk down." he makes his case. he joined me earlier today from delaware.
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what is the most fundamental way in which drones alter the nature of conflict? >> certainly of combat. i cannot think of a time in the past when one side in the battle to not have to be physically present in any way. even if you are dropping a 500 pound bomb, you have a pilot in the airspace overhead. with a drone, drones can be fired from continents away. >> you talked to a 19-year-old drone pilot. what effect did killing people remotely have on him? >> he had, i think, a lot of the same feelings that soldiers have when they have had to kill. but beyond that, he felt that there was something basically unfair about the fact that he struck a lethal and decisive gunfight where he physically was not at any risk at all.
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it made him feel, when he was congratulated as though he was unworthy of any real praise or congratulations. amongst the radicalizing effect drones have in the communities where they are operating and also outside -- >> i think that the unfairness that the 19-year-old operator feels about his role is multiplied 1000 fold on the receiving end of the hellfire missile where you have people who experience the death and injury, the explosion, without anyone to strike back at. there is no nearby airfield. there is no armed force nearby. this is a bullpen from the blue. -- bolt from the blue. it carries a special arrogance. a great deal of frustration, in addition to the pain and grief.
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they are basically being victimized by a force that is in human and in vulnerable. >> from the point of view of the american government and the american public, drones are very effective, aren't they? >> they have been very effective. i think that the mission to try to prevent terrorist attacks like the one on 9/11 boils down to locating those who are plotting and planning these things. often in very remote and difficult locations, where we would have how -- where we would have a hard time accessing them without fighting our way in. drones enable us, with great care, to select targets and to hit them at the time of our choosing. have been, while horrifying, also tremendously effective. >> mark vadon, thank you very much for joining us. >> you are welcome, laura. >> now for a break.
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the art of record collecting usually entails going in search for the rare and valuable album by an iconic artist. has unearthed a collection of vinyl treats, musicians you have probably never heard of because they probably did not sell single copy. a new book chronicles the rise and fall of the home and record industry. here is more. ♪ your esptter turn switch on. >> americans are great eccentrics. you start noticing when you travel as country -- this country and when you spend a lot of time in new york city that pretty much everybody is weird. weirdness makes its own music or produces its own
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record, it is delightful weirdness. >> ♪ if you are looking for truth ♪ >> in the 1950s, more pressing plants opened in the 19 -- opened across america. the middle class started buying. pressing plants started advertising that you too can be a recording artist. you too can have your music on vinyl. she is a truck driving, mean mother trucker of a girl ♪ oppress upple would the record -- would press the record. they would try to sell it at their local church, local bar and grill, local lounge. then, maybe i can sell one? that in turn meant that most of the copies ended up in boxes in the garage and were then thrown
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out. >> ♪ >> wherever you open it, your jaw just drops. gospel singers may be did not have this intent when they chose the image graphic on the record. then you see stuff like this, which is so homemade that it is magic markers and a glue one photograph rid it is fantastic. -- photograph. it is fantastic. >> these records are truly idiosyncratic and have a lot of thrills attached to them, because they are made by everyday people in everyday life. they do not have the polish of corporate products. it is self-expression that is unfiltered and actually becomes full cart. >> ladies love outlaws. look at these images. they are so cool. ♪ we are not making fun of
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these people. we are really celebrating how cool and creative and awesome they are. even though some of the records, some of the music, some of the life stories, some of the record covers will have you howling with laughter. nothing ♪ is >> truly astounding. some of the homemade records you probably never heard before and never will again. top reminder of our stories, at least 60 people have been killed in violent clashes today across egypt. supporters of ousted president mohamed morsi took to the toeets after friday prayers express their anger at the killing of hundreds of demonstrators by security forces on wednesday. the muslim brotherhood is calling on people to continue daily protests for the next week.
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captioning sponsored by macneil/lehrer productions >> woodruff: fury spilled in cairo's streets again today. tens of thousands of muslim brotherhood supporters launched bitter protests, defying the government's state of emergency. good evening. i'm judy woodruff. >> brown: and i'm jeffrey brown. on the newshour tonight, the wave of violence hasn't stopped in egypt. we get the latest on the mounting death toll and the crisis gripping the country.
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>> woodruff: then, disclosures the u.s. national security agency violated privacy rules and overstepped its authority thousands of times. margaret warner gets an update on the surveillance programs from carol leonnig of the "washington post." >> brown: the kepler space telescope, once used to search for earth-like planets, is crippled, and nasa says it can't be fixed. we explore its legacy and ask if it can still be used for scientific research. >> woodruff: under a pristine rain forest in ecuador lie more than 800 million barrels of oil. the country's president had asked the world to ante up in exchange for a promise not to drill, but that plan is being scrapped, as hari sreenivasan reports. >> brown: mark shields and david brooks analyze the week's news. >> ♪ just wishing i changed my ways... ♪ >> woodruff: and two men from two generations connected by a love of the blues are now collaborators on tour.
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we profile charlie musslewhite and ben harper. >> this is what the blues are supposed to do.. make you feel good. it's your comforter when you're down and your buddy when you're up. all purpose music. >> woodruff: that's all ahead on tonight's newshour. >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> bnsf railway. >> support also comes from carnegie corporation of new york, a foundation created to do what andrew carnegie called "real and permanent good." celebrating 100 years of philanthropy at >> growing up in arctic norway, >> and with the ongoing support
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of these institutions and foundations. and friends of the newshour. >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> brown: they called it a "day of rage" in egypt, and it lived up to its name. the bloodletting claimed at nearly 100 more lives as thousands of islamist protesters confronted security forces. that's on top of more than 600 killed wednesday. we have two reports, beginning with jonathan rugman of independent television news, in cairo. be advised: some of the images may be disturbing. >> reporter: they chanted for the downfall of military rule, and they marched in their thousands. this was ramses square in cairo this afternoon, in a haze of teargas and the air ringing with a sound of automatic gunfire. >> fire! shots, gunfire! ( gunfire )


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