tv Charlie Rose PBS January 13, 2015 12:00am-1:01am EST
>> rose: welcome to the program. we begin this evening with bernard-henri levy from paris talking about his country what happened and the meaning of the events in paris and the march on sunday. >> the general situation is that it is global attack, a global war, launched by these people of al-qaeda which is at the end of the day the same. and they are really launched global attack under our values and of the general and under democrat z but the new event the real event of yesterday is that democracy is back. france is back, europe is back and they are backed by america.
>> rose: we continue this evening with jeffrey goldberg of the atlantic monthly. he recently was in paris and interviewed the french prime minister after the attack. >> there is this kind of feeling of semi siege going on where it has a very middle eastern feel in the sense that people are suspicious of packages on subways. some people are avoiding taking public transportation. there's just a general fear that another shoe is going to drop. and certainly after the second attack which i'zóçkosher supermarket attack there is quite obviously not a feeling that that's it. there is this overwhelming feeling that more is to come. >> rose: we conclude this evening with mike allen of politico and play book who looks at the washington perspective and the president's decision not to go. >> charlie, this turned out to be such a seminal event and such an amazing time. so many people around the world
united almost the feeling that we had in the united states after 9/11 and the mistake by this whitehouse and sometime this president has had trouble getting his arms around from day one is seize this opportunity, look for a chance to do something great, recognize the power of the office. >> rose: bernard-henri levy, jeffrey goldberg and mike allen when we turn. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by: >> rose: additional funding provided by: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications
from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: we begin this evening from paris with bernard-henri levy the philosopher and author has says perhaps phases moments after the charlie hebdo attack. he warned the he this he should not follow the united states after 9/11 today a group blaming to hack when messages said american soldiers were coming watch your back. it happened as president obama was giving a speech on cyber security. there's many things to talk about and i begin with this question withlevy. when thinking about anti-semitism and the radical extremist islamic threat. the book that you wrote about daniel pearl, tell me what transand paris have gone through
american official was present there with the chancellor of germany and prime minister of i real and the prime minister of britain and so many other heads of state. did it concern them that america was not represented in the same manner? >> it was represented by mr. holder who is representative at the end of the day. what is true until the last minute there was a great expectation and rumor that barack obama could be there. and there was a little slight disappointment. but wait a minute charlie. barack obama went to our embassy in washington. john kerry again said je suis charlie in his non-native french language. so the friendship is really molded in a real good iron of brotherhood. there is no doubt on that.
and i think that there is no serious french women or man today who doubts that america is with us as we were with america on september 11. september 11 there was -- saying we all are americans. i have the feeling that you are very noomi russian to new york city to think and say like john kerry. we all are french. it is sort of fad and tragic reciprocity but it is a reciprocity. >> rose: we're saying they all are charlie. >> everybody is saying, yes. all over the world, i am charlie. like charlie chaplain like charlie rose like many charlie. this motto has become such a wide spread world all over the planet. this means also something. and it means what? it means that my opinion for the
first time the free world took the real dimension of what is happening. since decades we said that terrorism is not a real threat. we say terrorism was the fruit of misery and of bad social conditions. we said that the attack of terrorism was not a real war. today for the first time i think that there is a consensus, there is anh; agreement all over the world to say and to stand that it is a real threat which is threatening civilization. this is what means this spreading of i am charlie all over the world. in lebanon, in south africa there is a group who said je suis charlie. but it is the proof of this that
for the first time terrorism is taken as it is which is a new fascism. which is a new form of fascism in the 21st century. >> rose: what did you mean when you said the%.vmoment of france's fifth republican. >> i meant that we need in frathings or even three. number one it is real, it will be a long and difficult battle. number two, we have to keep our cold blood and number three we have to avoid some possible mistakes which by the way we are committed by our american friends under george w. bush byat the moment of patriarch act.
i meant real battle cold blood and preventing the -- this is what is achieved now. >> rose: will there be a great debate in france about whether there was enough intelligence and whether this could have been prevented if there were more and betterqcsurveillance measures. >> i don't think so. there is a general feeling that a lot was avoided. that militaristic attacks were eradicatedoz at the very root. there is this general feeling. no today what was really great in paris yesterday, you charlie, you showed the images on your program. what was great was to see these
people standing very proudly with pride with honesty also and decency right and left all origins, there was united states of france gathered during these hours. these sort of moments happen very rarely very seldom in the history of a great nation. the last time the last time that there were two million people in paris was a funeral of victor gould at the end of 19th century. never after that. funeral and yesterday. so there is really a union, a unity provisional of course around the victims around the hidden jews, or hidden journalists and the government
in order to face the jihadists attack which is more and more generally considered in france as being fascism which i call it since myself since years and years you know, you remember when i was on your table, i miss it by the way now. >> rose: you also suggested that muslims have to denounce, they have to step forward and loudly and vocally denounce. do you expect that to take place. do you have a sense that not only the people of france all religious beliefs understood the momentthe world have to and have heard the message that they must cast out those who use the prophet mohammed as a rallying cry for some evil deed they want to do.
>> of course. first thing, we cannot say as we said for so long that jihaddism ha nothing to do with islam. that's not true. jihaddism has something to do with islam. there is jihaddists interpretation of islam. number one. number two, this interpretation has to be battled has to be fought by others. it has to be proved that it is not the only one, that it is very minor. who will do that. i will not do it. the only who can say that that there is a battlebetween jihaddists islam are muslims themselves. that's why the french muslims who are as french as i am, they
have today a real historical past. which is to say which is to open the wound. which is to open the debate. and which is to fight again the jihaddistsislam. the only real serious quarrel of clash of civilization is the clash. inside islam, the clash inned side islam between mud rupsz and jihaddists. this clash this battle has to be led by muslims themselves. they began to do it these days. and the day ofhuge monster demonstration was the occasion, the rendezvous for a lot of french people of muslim really and loudly, not in our name.
not in my name. these, to preach murder under the name of god is to transform god into a murderer. by procreation. a lot of french muslim said that yesterday. and this also is a date in french modern and contemporary history. >> rose: a couple of political points in france. how do the french people perceive france was hollande's handling of this tragedy. >> they perceive it well. this is a general feeling expressed everywhere in the streets, on the tv's, on the internet. even the adversaries of france
was hollande that he handle it in a good;0+l way. not pushing his own agenda. smart. his previous president nicholas sarkozy there's a general feeling that france was hollande behaved in a brave way. and same for manuel, the way manuel went to this jewish little cache market the very night when the murder happened was alsohs very good sign. and he had this great, because there is a lot of jews today in france who think about leaving and who think that israel might be a safer place tranfrance. prime minister of france said france without the jews would no
longer be france. france without jews is not france. this is what he said and this again is a real good point. not considering political belongings and politician quarrels. >> rose: and what about the far right. what happened lawpen and what about the spirit of nationalism and what about those who argue in an anti-immigrant message? >> again, againr9often it proved to be wrong. everybody believed that lapen extreme right would take advantage of the situation. it was a general belief that lapen would say, you see, i said it before and that she would take benefit out of it. it proves wrong. lapen is for the moment completely out of the game. she made a whole mess,
completely stupid saying that she wanted to be invited to the demonstration as if it were a party. mrs. lapen probably mixing -- in vienna when she was a few years ago. and the demonstration in paris where there is no bristol you go with your heart and with your mttshe said i was not invited. and as i am not invited i will not go. and she went in a city of far from paris where shedn)x"feels at home to make her own sad and small. in way she put herself out of the game and also miraculous yesterday was to see this crowd which had nothing to do with
these xeno phobic internationalistic feelings very present in the debate in the last week, but they were with us yesterday in the streets of paris. she will come back of course. but when her father who is still the president made again a big mistake. he said i am not charlie. i am not charlie. okay you are not charlie. go to bouquet this little province of france. they are out of the game quite unexpectedly but they are. >> rose: what is the agenda for france tonight. >> the agenda for france now is number one, to protect the who are clearly targeted. it is sad to arrive to this pointed but it is a situation today in paris in france the
synagogues, the jewish schools are guarded by policemen or soldiers. it is sad but it is unfortunately necessary. number two, they have and they are doing it. they have to dismantle all these networks of terrorists and jihaddists consisting in women and men!with the program, with the agenda of killing jews, killing policemen and killing journalists. they have to dismantle all that. and they have to reassure the self-esteem of france which has already gun with the dutiful of great crowd yesterday sunday. >> rose: how did they dismantle terror. >> you know that in all democracy, it is the same.
the same problem which is to fight enemies of democracy with democratic means and not fall in the trap of using terrorists means in order to fight terrorists. this is one thing. but this being considered, there is a lot, i cannot say more but there is a lot of intelligence at work. there is a real now watching of the internet. a lot of thesehrw@ç things. net terrorists network and so on went through the deep web. there is now a new culture in all the western democracy which arose and permits to dig in this deep web. so there is a lot of ways. the load exists. i don't think we need more loads than the loads which already exist.
and we'll see. anyway, the zero risk does not exist. the most powerful country in the world with great urgencies like america could not expect september 11 which is a bigger terrorist attack ever seen. so maybe france will not foresee andya will not prevent a new terrorist attack. this is possible but what i can tell you is that the life of jihaddists in france will become more and more difficult in the coming weeks. >> rose: when does the next issue of charlie hebdo come out? >> the next issue comes out tomorrow. and this is the sad and dutiyful paradox of the situation. the magazine this was begging for help in the last weeks because he was going
dramatically down. they will make tomorrow a new issue which will be printed three millions of copies in many languages i think that in the sky, in the paradise between paradise and a little lower where they are. they most probable laugh and laugh a lot about this situation. three million copies. yesterday in paris when you saw the man saying i am charlie, i am charlie. they never ever knew that charlie hebdo existed. but this was as sigmund freud said this is a trick of history and up in the sky they must laugh a lot about this trick.
trick of history. historical tragedy. historical situation. and thiswell in the manner ofhebdo. >> rose: bernard, thank you so much for-evening i thank you charlie thank you. >> rose: we will be back with jeffrey goldberg. stay with us. >> rose: more than a million people gathered in paris yesterday to march in unity against radical islamic extremists and commemorate the victims of last week's terrorists attack. it is an historic moment for the country. the prime mers it was italy, turkey britain and the palestinian territories walked arm in arm through prairs with prime minister france was hollande in a show of solidarity. joining me from washington is jeffrey goldberg a national4/ correspondent for the atlantic magazine and he just returned
from paris. welcome. >> thank you. >> rose: you went over there because of the story or were you there? >> no. i was wandering around europe working on a another related story that will come out in the atlantic pretty soon. but paris obviously got hot very fast, so i made my way over there. >> rose: we have lots to talk b give me your sense of yesterday. if you were there or because you saw it on television. >> it was quite amazing. putting aside this temporary issue of whether the u.s. should have been represented at a higher level than it was, which i think it should have been. it's quite a remarkable occurrence. i don't know if it's the french are more quick to the streets than americans, but it's the equivalent of something like five or six millions americans marching against terrorism. it's quite something. but you know, i spent, i was there for about four days immediately following the first attack. and i've been going back and
forth, so i've gotten the sense, even before the charlie hebdo attack, that france is really, that nerves are on edge. i hate to do thatof saying talking about what the mood of an entire country is. but there is this kind of feeling of semi siege going on, where very middle eastern feel in the sense that people are suspicious of packages on subways. some people are avoiding taking public transportation. there's just a general fear that another shoe is going to drop. and certainly after the second attack, where which i cover, the kosher supermarket attack, there is quite obviously not a feeling that that's it. there's this overwhelming feeling that more is to come. and you know everybody's gripped by the notion that all it takes is two or three semi competent but very dedicated jihaddists to create havoc for an entire country. >> rose: so where do you
think we're headed? >> that's really, that's the very tough question because we're not really headed in a good direction. certainly for the jewish community of france they are headed into complete siege. they're now going to be soldiers thousands of soldiers guarding jewish schools which raises a question about whether normative jewish life can continue in france. we are heading toward the growing popularity of so-called lone wolf attacks or semi lone wolf attacks. and it really is awe phasing. i was talking to one senior french police official who said look, we're getting blamed for not tracking these guys but it takes 20 detectives, 20 skilled surveillance officers to follow one person. we've got somewhere north of 900 maybe in the thousands low thousands of people in syria right now. other people who are radicalized at home without ever going to
syria. so you know you're looking at a situation which you probably twill see unfortunately more attacks. you will see more crack downs and more broad crack downs but i think the government is seized by the idea that life not only for the jewish population but for life at large is going to change and become constricted and curtailed in ways that they don't want to see. >> rose: this was a side story. you know the manuel. prime minister netanyahu may have said inviting any french jews if they want to come or inviting them to come. >> right. they're already going. that's the issue. and there is tension between the israel government and the french government over this. the french government believes very ug strongly and i had a very long conversation with the prime minister of french about this. the french government is seized by the idea it must protect the
jewish population. because the whole idea of the french republicannic, the french revolution is built on the emancipation of jews. that jews were going to have national equity in france. and so this is an acute challenge not only for security people but for the very idea of france. they are of course bothered when israel officials say france is not safe for jews, come to israel. the problem for france is that many jews are going to israel. i didn't and i've been traveling back and forth for months. i haven't met a single jewish person in france who says that at least the thought is not at the back of his or mind. 7,000 jews out of a total population of 480,000, 700 moved to israel last year. there's an still that 10,000 will go this year. these are large numbers. and the prime minister of france not the prime minister of israel. prime minister of france told me he believes france will cease, this is a quote, france will stop being france if 100000 jewsh
leave.>> rose: he in fact said if jews flee the republicannic will be a failure. >> yes, quite a sometime. >> rose: if 100,000 jews leave, transwill no longer be france. >> right. i think this goes to the idea that france is a place that is safe for everyone but in particular a community that's historically been persecuted. that's why there's so much sensitivity. during world war two collaborationists behaviors. 10 of thousands of french jews were methodsered by the nazis. the dreyfus affair and going back deeper into history. there was this thought that when napoleon basically talked about the emancipation of the jews, and this has been a popular idea for 200 years. and now this is seen as maybe one of the more acute challenges to that idea by french leadership. >> rose: is it possible that this is a moment that somehow what we saw in the streets
yesterday was a sense of no more. we watched beheadings, we watched violence against children in africa. we have watched violence in iraq, and not to speak[l:no of syria. and these people who are doing this have to be confronted. >> i want to be, i want to be positive in the sense of saying look millions of people on the streets, billions of people around the world gripped by the problem of islamists, this is france's 9/11 in many ways and it was also a very direct assault on a cherished western value of free speech and it wasobviously attack.
three guys we don't know yet are plot in their basement. look what happened in boston with two brothers up ended a stay. so the issue is yes,"r1nn i would say the margity of muslims in france want to see this ended the majority of non-muslims want to see this ended. not just in france but every where. the power of individuals, hyper radicalized individuals who are ready for death their own death. to create havoc in open societies is being shown again and again. and so the question is how do states, how do governments have to go to clamp down on this before the state itself becomes a more closed society. so i'm not hopeful because people, individuals have tremendous power these days. in open societies and they can
reek havoc. >> rose: they known#çyç not only how to conduct war and one of the brothers was in yemen and it's still to be confirmed. there are reports he did all of that. then there's question what you can get over the internet from that -- >> i talked to intelligence experts over there said the radicalization process can be very very fast. you watch a video right. you google whatever it is you google. you find a video of a radical cleric preaching this kind, his version of islam. and then google algorithms will give you five more suggestions for videos to watch. and so in the course, i mean this guy i was talking to said it's literally true in the course of one feverish night youcould fill your head, thanks to the internet with all kinds of ideas that most people would consider insane and then it puts you right on the path to say
well i've got to go kill someone. >> rose: you i think said in one of your columns that maybe we are not all charlie meaning. >> it's not to say we're not all charlie. the truth is obviously that many media outlets. i was talking a lot about the media in that case. many media outlets will self censor on this question. the new york time is going through all kinds of problems starting to figure out when do you show the cartoons, when do you even show a photograph of a statute of mohammed. and i'm sympathetic to these questions especially for news organizations that have to deploy reporters and photographers to dangerous parts of the world. i'm totally sympathetic. but the fact of the matter is we don't behave in a way that says that free speech is our sacred principle and that this is a
slash of two say scrud principles. free speech versus what we would consider to be a hyper sensitivity of what's perceived to be blasphemy. salman rush die for a pretty lonely guy afternoon awe9j(7 -- ayatollah khomeini had -- and this td>> rose: and he said do you know who else isn't charlie. barack obama isn't charlie. you quote a speech the president gave in 2012, two years ago. quote the future must not belong to those who squander the prophet of islam but to be
credible those who condom slanted ring must condemn the hate we see in the images of jesus christ are desecrated or churches that are destroyed or the holocaust that is benign. then you go on to say i wish the president had not said this for a number of reasons. >> yes. one was the coninflation. search december conversation is an act of physical vandalism. actually did happen. so to deny it is to deny historical reality. to say that islam or christianity or judaism is full of nonsense is an opinion that free thinking people are allowed to hold. it might be offensive to various religions but nevertheless it's our sacred principal that you get to say that. indead modernity came about and freedom comes about because of our willingness and abill twoity to issue satire to mock
leadership and ideas including powerful ideas political and religious ideas. i think it's the role of the american president to say look, i understand your sensitivities and i'm sorry you're bothered by this but let me explain how it works in the west. we have freedom of speech. my job is not to sensor my citizens. my job is not to sensor anyone else. i fight bad speech with good speech. and our first amendment guarantees x, y. that would be the thing i would like to hear. and the future does belong to people who would, quote slarnld the prophet but not only slander the prophet, the future belongs to people, the future must belong to people who say what's on their mind fend other people find it terribly owe -- offensive. that's what freedom stands for. >> rose: should the president have been in paris on sunday. >> one of the problems is, i tend to think higher level representation should have been appropriate. musharraf came to america right
after, the british prime minister came to america right after 9/11. it would have been good to see high level representation. it's not all about us and i'm not sure how many people in france right now sort of preoccupied with the question why didn't obama come. not everything is about us. on the other hand, it does seem like it would have been appropriate a gesture and i think the whitehouse today is sort of suggesting josh earnest is suggesting maybe they should have made a different decision. >> rose: he did suggest that in a press briefing today. my question is, you know beyond that, should he which i asked. but does it say something about this whitehouse and this president that they didn't understand the moment? >> you know, there's i think it was david axal rod who very recently said sometimes the president, this is something coming fromsometimes he doesn't understand,
i don't want to get the quote wrong but sometime the president himself and the people around him are not as awe tendive to the way things appear. and you know ultimately though, let's not pin this on the president himself. there are a large number of people in the government who are responsible for our relations with france and with europe. and you know, they could have gotten a feeling, pick up a feeling on the ground in france that whoa this is different than just another terrorist. france has had terrorist attacks obviously but this feelsh2 different and maybe we need to, i'm assuming by the way very very quickly, i know kerry is going there very soon. i'm assuming pretty quickly we're going to see some grand gesture from the president towards france. >> rose: i'm still asking the same question i asked again. it seems to me maybe axlerod is about this. maybe this is what leadership is
about. shouldn't you know it's important, it's usually something to you if -- look, other friends are going too. if all of your other friends are going and the prime minister of britain are going what do you need to know. >> right what don't you understand about this party. >> rose: exactly. >> no no no, look on two levels there's an emotional intelligence issue that arises. and there is an issue that look, i mean along with britain which is our closest ally. frnls is our oldest ally. so when the french are in need as they clearly are, if nothing obviously they have security needsintelligence needs. but they are obviously, i mean you could feel it last week or feel it a few days ago they're in an emotional crises. and yes it's a nice gesture when a friend when a country, you know, goes to the aid of
another country. >> rose: i think when you say it's a nice gesture you minimize it. >> maybe. >> rose: i think it was time for assaol. this was this really was by nature an attack on the west and its values. >> but charlie you're making a very interesting point because here's an interesting plight. the prime minister of france talked about france being at war with radical islam. the french talk about this problem as a civilizational struggle. the obama operation is very much like its predecessor administration saw -- i think there's some profound discomfort on the part of this administration, the obama administration in ramping up the rhetoric and turning this into what they would consider to be
more of a war than it is. and i bet, this is just a best, but bet if not a conscious but subconscious calculation9> rose: you just said what i think might have happened. because of all the things you just said, you said i bet they had this discussion. i bet you they did too. >> i don't know. it seems possible because it's happened in the past. >> rose: it's like not thinking about what the entry of
troops, of, you know material supplies to syria might bean because you have some deep profound sense of not wanting to be on a slippery slope. >> right. >> rose: with respect to syria that you experienced in iraq and afghanistan. >> look, it's not a secret that the french administration last year 2013 now was chalked and dismayed by the last minute decision by president obama not to bomb. it was mitigated by the fact that obama then helped engineer the removal of the chemical weapons in syria but there's a feeling among many allies that was a moment when the u.s. blinked. >> rose: the u.s. blinked and the world took notice. >> the world notices everything the u.s. does. look at this conversation we're talking about whether or not obama, biden or whoever did or did not go ] to a march. so the world, i'm not sure if it's playing quite the same in interpret with the same
intensity but everybody notices what the president does. this is one of those weird moments in history. you remember what it was like, remember talking about the french in our traditional discourse about foreign policy you know appeasers and people who are surrendering. remember the whole freedom friesqissues during the whole iraq war. now we've gone through a situation i think where the french are seen to borrow the washington cliche's more robust or the more muscular however you want to phrase it in the struggle against islamic terrorism and sort of chaos in the middle east and the obama administration. however, one note on that. there is an understanding among french officials that i talked to that you know, that america was traumatized by the iraq war. and that obama was elected not to insert america into more middle east wars but to remove america from middle east wars. so there is that understanding of the domestic politics and the emotional disposition of the president.
>> rose: so finally, the fear is on several levels on the level of how many hidden cells are there to use the terminology they use. how many people because these guys came back to yemen in 20116789 -- 2011. this took place in 2014. >> right. >> rose: 2015, i'm sorry. they have patience, exactly. so how many other people might be there. i assume it's the great security fear. >> right. and again, it goes back to this issue we were talking about a few minutes ago, of how do you possibly watch everyone who is down loaded a serious of videos on the internet or who has visited x country or y country. you know, i mean the truth of the matter is that today there isn't a cell in a certain city but tomorrow there might be because of the self radicalizing
nature of this problem. certainly i think there's going to be now a huge european effort to track across borders. this of course requires turkey's help more than anything else. track across borders. people returning from the fight in syria, people who are affiliated with isis. but again you know it's a huge problem. it's a huge task. a thousand people can be monitored. 10 can get under the radar, and then you've got another attack. so i think people are living kind of a new reality where they think that in every city with a substantial muslim population. there might be a tiny minority within that population but a miny minority that wants to kill french citizens and citizens of other european countries. and so the new normal is it's not a very healthy security situation for anyone. >> rose: someone has given me the idea which is that we were
so focused on isis, i think that we sort of made them the focus of attention because of the barbaric nature of some on the visible things and forgotten the spread of al-qaeda. >> right right. i mean, we have to be able to do more than one or two things at a time. look, by the way, i'm saying this as someone who covered this issue. this is not surprising. i mean, charlie hebdo was fire bombed in 2011. a jewish school was attacked in 2012 four people were killed. the same killers killed french soldiers. i mean, this is not surprising at all. we're in the situation where the attack was shock but not surprised. i think in the coming days there will be a lot of source i aegigating and secondguessing about what french authorities did and didn't do. but this is not a completely new
chapter in the west's struggle with islamist storm. these things could have been predicted. >> rose: jeffrey. thank you, it's great to have you on the program. >> thankkr you. >> rose: jeffrey goldberg of the atlantic magazine. back in a moment. >> rose: joining me now fromwashington is mike allen. he's politico's senior whitehouse correspondent and also from play book and politico. let me make this point, mike. thank you for coming. >> thank you charlie. >> rose: josh earnest said we should have sent someone with a higher profile. quote had the circumstances been a little bit different i think the president himself would have liked to have been there earnest said noting the rally came together late friday would have been difficult for president obama to attend. what do you make of this. >> well charlie all that
verbiage is circle locution for we take the eye off the ball. we missed the moment. this turned out to be such a seminal event. people around the world, it was like a feeling we had in the united states after 9/11. the mistake by this whitehouse and sometimes the president has trouble getting his arms around from day one is seize this opportunity. look for a chance to do something great. recognize the power of the office. my headline in ply book this morning was america left the to lead the world because there was such a deep hole there where you would expect to see the president of the united states. >> rose: why do you think he missed the opportunity. >> charlie there's a lot of realistic reasons for this. the security is a real thing although when you have leadersfrom israel and palestine authority there that is obviated a little bit. i would say they need big
security and they talked about the footprint of the president when he travels but a piece on split company which had a great headline of obama's french kiss off pointed out they did turn on dime if they need to. they got very quickly to nelson's mandala's memorial service. the president that travels with a lighter footprint could have gone. we saw by the whitehouse an admission they didn't realize what a big deal this was. it could have happened to anyone but as my mom would say it's kind of your job to know what a big deal is when you're the leader of the free world. >> rose: that's what you expect from leadership. where do you think the white house's head is on this now? do they now see an opportunity to get engaged and to be part of an effort if there is this effort to come together and say we really do have to recognize the challenge that we're3su receiving and we cannot fail to do all that we can.
>> well charlie you make a great point about the opportunity for them and we now have secretary of state kerry who is going to paris who had time to do that before but now it could be even more profile. we expect the president to talk more powerfully now about the challenge to the world. but missing this moment reflects something that we've seen in this whitehouse all along and that is this president is still skeptical of the system. still a little bit sees himself as an outsider to the system. a friend of mine made the great point you are the system. we see this in relationship to the congress. you're not a bystander. for the final quarter of the presidency as the pre has called it the real challenge for president obama is to create his own reality at home and abroad.
we have the lead headline of "new york times" said a to air awe in television. nothing has really changed, the threats are what the administration was focused on. now this more real. now we realize the threat to all of us. these people who are being trained being radicalized and returning. also this possible threat of the terrorists groups which have their own visibility issues, want attention of their own. the worst thing would be branding war between terrorism yvm paris raises very tough possibilities. i'm cold the administration says no new credible threat to the homeland but we're going to see a lot more public attention to what they call the foreign fighter issues. people who travel abroad and come back. and also charlie, sometimes the u.s. government was focused on
but it pays more attention to and that is disaffected kids on the internet kind of prevent this before they go overseas. sort of an intervention for someone who might be inkleined this way. >> rose: the president has this meeting that he called in which world officials will come here and really try to talk about the reality of the challenge and what the options are and the fact that it is a new day. >> that's right. that will be in february and that will be the president's moment. and that is effective, if that's an opportunity to educate citizens of the united states through the world to pull together the west, yesterday will be forgotten except by the four people who made a different decision, wished they had recognize this is a raw opportunity for us. >> rose: mike thank you for joining i. >> thank you sur. >> rose: mike allen from washington. thank yourfor more episodes visit
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