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the fairfax police arrive and they determine it came from a projectile fired from a pellet or a b.b. gun. authorities were able to track down the vehicle by the suspect to a restaurant in vienna. they are speaking to him. he is cooperating. they do not know what led up to the incidents or what the nature of the >> there are several actions by the driver and shattering of the window. >> so after this took place, the driver of the hyundai pulled up to the shell station. he spoke to authorities and told them what happened. the 4-month-old child is doing okay.
the police are still trying to determine what led up to the situation. a scary situation. live in silver spring, jeff goldberg, abc7 news. >> find up for breaking news at wjla.com/text. larry: we are tracking new developments in the investigation int deadly bus crash in baltimore. today, the driver of the school bus that crashed into a commuter bus should not have been behind the wheel. ryan hughes monitoring the developments from the live desk. ryan: we learned that the school bus driver glenn chappell operating the school bus on a suspended commercial driver's license. abc7 obtained these two letters from the m.t.a. sent to chappell in july and the other in september warning
certificate was about to expire. the video is horrific. the school bus hit a car, crashed into a pillar and barreled into the m.t.a. bus. six peak were killed -- six people were killed. every driver must have a medical examine certificate on file. it's a requirement to make sure you are fit to drive. the m.t.a. says chappell e 31. today we are hearing from chappell's daughter who says she does not want to speculate about exactly what happened. but talk about of her dad's driving history makes this more painful. >> if this was a medical emergency we will find out. if he passed out, then his foot accelerated on the pedal. it could happen to anybody.
results. before investigators determine what caused the crash. today we reached out to the bus contractor that chappell worked for. a.a. transportation service. as soon as we mentioned while we were calling a worker hung up the phone. live in the newsroom, ryan hughes, abc7 news. alison: thank you. now to vote 2016 today. melania trump gave her first speech supporting her husband. she told a crowd becoming an american citizen was the greatest privileges in the world. in florida, donald trump slammed president obama for campaigning for hillary clinton. the president was in florida today on behalf of his former secretary of state. hillary's first event of the day was in north carolina an hour ago. we will have that at 5:30. larry: with five days left,
someone changed the message on the highway sign in a virginia commuter lot. it happened again near the new outlet mall. kevin lewis explains why it was easy to pull off. kevin: tens of thousands of curious shoppers visited the premium outlet. the mall management rented electronic signs to control the traffic flow. but the thing is they forgot to lock the control box. meaning anyone with a twist of computer. keyboard. hey, look, the password is written right here. >> i was in shock someone did that. kevin: mid-morning commute, teacher sara was trumped to see "trump 2016" on the electronic sign the work of the pranksters. >> initially i had to weigh out the option whether i want to run it over with the car or whether i should stop. >> sunbelt rentals which owns
us it supplies keys to the clients. in this case, clarksburg premium outlet. they added it's the respecter's responsibility to watch the control box to prevent this exact thing. >> this afternoon the mall operation manager directed us to the management office. when we. we there an employee explained we were trespassing and needed to leave immediately. she believes the new mall should own up to the >> a spokesman called me this afternoon and said as soon as the staff members found out about the "trump 2016" me shaveling they took it down immediately. but we still don't know why they neglected to lock the control box. kevin lewis, abc7 news.
in germantown, maryland. brad, time is running out for the early voting in the free state. right? brad: there is only three, a little less than three hours left. people showing up in georgetown will be greeted by a garden of campaign signs. they will get a look at the votetrak 2016 hummer. once they get inside the georgetown recreation center they find what they are calling disney like lines it takes 40 minutes to get the ballot in. >> tired of listening to everything. i'm done. forget about it. >> it's clear that maryland embraced the concept. look at the numbers as of last night. 730,000 early ballots cast with a full day to go compared to 30,500 total in the last
>> robert is director of the early voting at the georgetown rec center. he expects it to increase at the end of the early voting encroaches tonight. >> we are anticipating heavy traffic through here. >> we have seen the long line and the viewer submitted photos. voters are telling us they are willing to stand in line. they want to count. >> there is a lot of momentum going on. more p i came last night and it was packed. i couldn't get in. >> the future of the country is at take. as bad as it is no longer
brad: this is also the last time you have to register. you are register and cast a vote. but after tonight you can't do that. when we come back at 6:00, we set up a soapbox and let people sound off. sound off they did. in georgetown, brad bell. alison: thank you. the outcome of the world series could be an indiana presidential election. according to political junkie the last eight times that the world series went game seven in an election year if the national team won the democratic candidate won. the democrat in the white house hopes that the cubs come to visit before he leaves in january. he sent out a treat and said it's change even a southsider can believe in. he is from chicago but a
larry: the cubs are back in chicago this morning. in chicago 72% of tv on last night were on the game. in d.c., a quarter tuned to see history. richard reeve found a local bar with a special connection to the cubs. >> awesome. unbelievable. >> par from the pandemonium in cleveland. >> i was released when the curse was over. >> we have a good team. >> it's a sign the century-long drought is over. >> maybe it was divine influence on the cubs just like the curse worked against them for all the years. >> some guys have a man cave inside a living room or spare
man cave is here and it is all about the cubs. you can't help but notice the t-shirts the connection to curse of the billy goat and the tavern owner asked to leave the 1945 world series because of his goat's smell. continuing some believe the drought. the original guy that was kicked out. >> hopefully this is something to build on. >> in northwest washington, richard reeve, abc7 news. alison: a fun connection locally. larry: we root for them but we have our own team we want to have celebration. alison: you know the same front that caused a rain delay
larry: doug hill has a look at the change ahead in the weather. doug: the first area of rain we had earlier is pushed southeast. now we are waiting for the cold front to move in, north of the maryland-pennsylvania line. as it moves south we will see a chance of the scattered showers in the far northern and the western suburbs. no guarantee the line will hold together. i could break-up. but you see the track. with that in mind if the showers hold it will mov 6:37 in gaithersburg. future cast suggests not a lot of action in our area. everybody will turn out and turn breezy and sunny and chilly. we start out around 50 degree mark and maybe not get much past 60. we talk about the weekend in eight minutes. back to you.
alison: in an hour now, a meeting will begin on a novel idea across the potomac. near key bridge. larry: plus, moving a building to make way for the progress near another major road project. >> cleveland park residents say the beach drive is affecting the streets and alleys as well. that is coming up. kimberly: are you a new mom or do you know one who needs help? i'm kimberly suiters. we have a live phone bank going on. people are standing by to help you.
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alison: we are back with a look at phase one of the massive project to rehabilitate beach drive in the district. it is entering the second month. right now d.c. bureau chief sam ford is live near an alley becoming a popular cut-through, much to the dismay of the neighbors. right, sam? sam: indeed. i'm on porter street. a lot of the traffic you see
the rock creek parkway because of the beach drive construction there. for people like lisa gladstone taking the side streets they take to alleys to walk her dog. she complains that on the cleveland park list serve yesterday more of the frustrated gridlock commuters are finding her alley. she doesn't like it but understands that you can't even drive around the block these d one time i got to the top of the alley at 6:00 and i remembered i forgot something and i had to turn right and come around. it's only about 300 feet. took 45 minutes. >> motorists are looking for anything. >> yeah. >> coming up at 6:00 she tells us about the commuter who almost hit her last night in her alley. and we will look at the impact
drive on this cleveland park neighborhood. reporting live from northwest washington, i'm sam ford, abc7 news. back to you. doug: thank, sam. we are in the final day of the final week at the fall foliage contest at the weather center. this is from lori at lake brittle. fall colors an hours to get a last-minute entry in. later this evening the weather team will go over the entry for the week. winner is announced tomorrow on "good morning washington." we will show you a picture online. all over social media, tv and send you nice momentos from your friends in the weather center. as far as what is happening it is simple to get involved. if you haven't done it all season we have done it at other times, too. it's been fun. send your fall foliage images to burst.com/wjla.
tell where you say you take the image. right now it is comfortable. it does not feel like early november. to tell you the truth early november last year was warmer than this early november has been. warmer for longer, too. 7859 reagan. manassas, 77. fredericksburg, 78. 78 in culpeper. hagerstown at 72. we set a record at reagan national. hit 83 degrees. breaking the record of 80 in 1974. no winner at washington dulles and . the existing records. we have had a few showers and we have more. the satellite and radar shows the area of shower relong the cold property. the heaviest area that might hold together. through charlottesville and south of fredericksburg. there is a chance of shower south of the region. everybody will clearing out overnight. high pressure clearing in be
especially after sunshine tomorrow. we have sun the entire day as the forecast takes over. it will be sunny and breezy but chilly with the highs in the upper 50's to 60 degrees. the weekend outlook is sweet to me. a lot of sunshine and temperatures where they should be. 62 for a high on saturday. 64 on sunday. we fall back one hour late saturday night and early sunday mo take advantage of the time to replace batteries in the smoke alarms and the carbon monoxide detectors. the difference it makes for sunrise and the sunset. 6:03 on set on saturday. 5:02 on sunday. the same the other way. sun will rise at 7:40 on saturday and set at 6 -- rise at 6:41 on sunday. hour this way, hour that. here we go.
gorgeous weekend. pleasant monday at 62 degrees. weather for election day across the d.m.v. and beyond. gorgeous. plenty of sunshine and 65. even though a cold front may come through in the afternoon. we don't think there is rain with it. back to sunshine and system weather on wednesday and thursday. that is it. back to you. alison: okay. thank you. larry: thanks, doug. big step forward today for plans to add toll lanes along i-66. alison: local students are looking to the stars. kellye: students in d.c. in real-time on this screen -- astronaut in real-time on this screen behind me. i have that coming up. alison: first t.g.i.t. -- larry: i will see you tomorrow morning on "good morning washington" with kidd o'shea's exclusive interview with dolly parton. she tells kid what she didn't get to say after she was cut off at the c.m.a.'s tomorrow
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703-236-9220. we'll be here until 6:30. larry: okay. talk to you soon. if you could ask an astronaut any question, what would it be? students from the three d.c. public schools got out-of-this world experience chatting in real time with a crew member from the international space station. part of the mars student meet-up. amy aubert takes us inside the national geographic headquarters where it happened. amy: just like that, students from three d.c getting to hit liftoff on the dreams. >> high school student right now, what should we do to prepare for this field later in life? amy: the students from three high schools chatting chatting h shane kimber in real-time. he launched to the international space station
session like this takes hard work. >> amazingly complex program. there is a thousand people in houston who do this every day. it is supporting centers all over the country. >> the sun comes up and down every 45 minutes. we get to see a spectacular sunset and the sun rises. >> i have had chills all day watching everything happen. watching them be engaged from the moment we walked in the door, they have been interested in everything we have done. >> this is what it was like from the students' perspective. got to watch everything unford on the big screen in front of them. >> it's not something you get to do. >> worked really hard. get help when you need it. we all need help along the way. in northwest d.c. >> best of luck for you. amy aubert, abc7 news. alison: how cool is that? larry: so neat, isn't it? alison: amazing. larry: the q&a session part of the mars student meet-up. alison: speaking of mars.
discussion about living on mars. they watched a video about landing on the planet. incredible experience for the kids. larry: so neat. alison: still ahead on "abc7 news at 5:00" -- where metro could get more money to help bridge a budget gap. larry: a little bit later it's a little shiv but find out why it is a big project. lisa: i'm lisa fletcher live in north carolina. we're awaiting hillary
alison: the field of 27, remember them? two are left and they are focusing on the b state. hillary clinton and donald trump had campaign stops there. lisa fletcher live in raleigh to take us beyond the podium. lisa? lisa: so people have been streaming in for the l.a. -- last 30 minutes. hillary clinton, bernie sanders and pharrell williams here tonight. there was a poll that came out in the state, a statewide poll that showed donald trump up seven points. the same poll three weeks ago
so we asked the voter what is do you think about all the polls. most of us told us they don't put any stock in them at all. when raleigh resident hears the word "poll" his skepticism piques. >> with the election psychole in the last few months it is hard to know if the poll is credible at all. >> the tv station here and survey usa show trump with a convincing lead. bu another news outlet like the latest cnn poll and she is up three in north carolina. this woman doesn't believe any of the polls. >> i'm not sure who the polls like, who they interview or how they take the poll. lisa: democratic strategist says at this stage in the game with the huge early voting surge she is right. >> move in the the national polling or the state polling means almost nothing. you have to block the polls out. lisa: both camps know what is
show up for the polls that really matter. >> this comes down to ramping up the african-american voters as high as possible. it's all about the turn-out. lisa: she worries the polls, especially dramatic ones could cause people not to vote. thinking the ballot won't make a differee. sometimes also but i feel like i'm making a difference. sometimes it's a close race and a few votes could push it over. lisa: she is right in 1960 j.f.k. won hawaii by 115 votes. bush-gore in florida 537 votes. it will kick off tonight around 7:345. this is by no means clinton's last push in the state of
here on saturday. live in raleigh, lisa fletcher, abc7 news. alison: another one of the very important states. lisa live in raleigh. thank you. larry: new developments tonight in the story out of the district. a judge ruling to hold a father after he came to school with a loaded gun in the backpack. there is probable cause that anthony chiles knew the gun was there. the secur for his i.d. and found the gun instead. the child is charged with carrying a pistol without a license. tonight an investigation uncovers alarming spike for local students take weapons to school. i-team investigator chris papst spent months compiling data and discovered the troubling trend. up with the parents and the districts don't know about. chris: last winter wilson high school in northwest d.c. was in lockdown when a student was found with a gun.
day. they put a picture on snapchat. nobody was hurt. but "7 on your side" investigation learned situations to this one are happening more often in our area. we compile data from the region's largest district and learn districts and learned nearly all of them have seen notable increases in the number of students taking weapons to school. in alexandria, the number has doubled. in just the past past two months. david murphy a psychologist has more. >> certain behavior are not compatible with academic environment. they know to succeed in the xy nay need to do well in school and get ahead and they can't afford to risk the education. chris: what are the schools doing about it in response and more importantly, why haven't
at 11:00. chris papst, abc7 news. alison: looking forward to that. thank you very much. coming up here at 5:00 -- >> driving from virginia to d.c. is often filled with a lot of hassles. but a new way to commute could be coming soon. that's coming up. kimberly: are you pregnant or a new mom? we have people here to give you help. call we will be right back after this. larry: at 6:00, election anxiety after a brutal month long battle between hillary clinton an trump. the race is making them physically ill. new at 6:00 we talk to an expert about the know no, ma'am non-and how you -- expert about the know no, ma'am non-and how you -- phenomenon hillary clinton: i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message.
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steve:on thur and we are looking for the upcoming weekend. never too early to do that. before you go to bed on saturday night we fall back an hour. highs on sunday around 64 degrees. early sunday is on the chilly side. it will be in the upper 450's. rebound to the 60 in the afternoon. 60's on monday. election day around 65 degrees. partly cloudy skies. degrees. partly cloudy skies. "abc7 news at 5:00" c northern virginia, on the issues, barbara comstock and donald trump are the same. comstock and trump promote deportation
gration reform. both oppose background checks that keep guns from suspected terrorists. and comstock-trump were prepared to shut down the government just for politics. time for luann bennett: comprehensive immigration reform now. common sense gun safety laws. bennett tells congress: do your job. i'm luann bennett
alison: you will remember this awful story. family of a mother killed putting children in a car seat outside a local school, trying to have some good come from the kimberly suiters in help center. we have a panel of experts to help new moms. there are many questions as a new mom. they touch on any topic. childbirth, pediatric care. postpartum support. all of this comes from this loss, this terrible loss in
kimberly suiters is there. are we getting a lot of calls? kimberly: a lot of calls about how to take care of the newborn, how to take care of themselves. we want to bring in neil lawson was jennifer bush lawson's husband. she was your inspiration. what surprised you about the need in northern virginia? >> we launched this and found out th thought. there are 12,000 women of child rearing age in the county and a thousand babies are born, a thousand kids under the age of four that live at 200 or less of the poverty level. kimberly: what help can you give? >> there is a big need for transportation. we have been able to fund wellness care for new babies this year.
>> it surprised people, where is your baby going to sleep? one woman said well, we will have her sleep in a drawer. >> heart-wrenching story which makes us proud of what we are able to accomplish. there is a real need. we don't always know what it is but we heard a story about a baby sleeping in a drawer, which wasn't acceptable. the hospital center is amazing to give us the information. kimberly: we have nurses, midwives and doctors here to give assistance. call 703-236-9220. something that surprise and delighted neil one person called to donate. that is generous. >> you can learn more or donate yourself. kimberly: a good resource after the phone bank is over if you have someone you would
don't be afraid to call. free advice and we are here until 6:30. back to you. alison: what a strong man, too. brave. kim, thank you. larry: thank you, kim. still ahead at 5:00 -- >> call it a modern miracle. a sen gog moved 40 feet off the foundation. i'm mike carter-conneen. coming up, how they did it. >> we are still m the budget battle is beginning.
>> in an effort to what he calls right size the system. the interim manager paul wiedefeld calling for fair increases, cut in service, eliminating bus route and layoffs. >> the district is willing to pay more to avoid those things. >> however, leaders in maryland and virginia have not been in favor of increasing their contribution to help metro get out from the nearly $300 million budget gap. >> operating more trains, operating more capacity and less that does not make sense. >> she feels like the employees are the scape goat. >> the people who are put in place to make decisions for this workforce does not have a workforce at heart. brianne: they are proposing reduced operating hours as the board is weighing proposals. today the staff said getting
maintenance something in recent years they haven't been doing is the need for the additional track time. some on the board are not convinced the extra time needs to come on the weekend. >> i want to keep the late night hours. that is my position. >> brian: they also learn when the folks who use the system will lay in. we learn the week of january 30. that is when there is a public hearing with the public comment in february. the budget effect in july. reporting live, brianne carter, abc7 news. alison: thank you. terry mcauliffe announced today that the group i-66 express mobility partners will contract the i-62 high occupancy toll lane project. the proposal beat out the one from express partners. the i-66 project between the beltway and gainesville will contain two hot lanes and the
direction. it will be completed by 2022. larry: every day a thousand vehicles use key bridge between arlington and georgetown. there could be a new option. gondola. a public hearing starts in a few minutes. we look at the plan. >> the key bridge has new attract detention. >> you like it? ia. >> it would be a gondola hovering above the potomac river from the rosslyn metro station to the exxon station on m street in georgetown. >> we need alternatives. >> according to a just released feasibility study it's doable.
aday. >> we want to ask do we want to build the georgetown metro station that eluded us in the 1960's? if we do, this is a reasonable way to go. >> the gondola ride would take four minutes. we will see how long it takes to walk from one side to the other. a few brisk steps later. walk from georgetown to the rosslyn metro station in nine minutes and five seconds. but the look is another. >> i didn't care for the picture. >> some worry it might ruin as thettics of the bridge and the river, heather sees it differently. >> it may enhance it. another way to explore d.c. >> a city filled with opinions and there will be plenty on this one. alison: very interesting. all right.
with jamie sullivan. jamie: we are starting out with a lot of volume on the interstate. if you are getting ready to leave work and head home, it's just volume. no accidents to deal with. on the stretch of the inner loop and the outer loop in the teens. if you are starting out on the inner loop from tysons and you live in maryland trying to get closer to bethesda or north on 270 that will be the slowest area. this is the volume you will have. you stop and go from the beltway continuing outbound to fairfax. big picture look, the beltway is not bad. outbound kenilworth avenue slowing. alternate is new york avenue. it's good now. without delays. this stretch will take you 1 minutes. if you want to stick with it, not terrible now. we have some volume now. this gives you a good idea. a couple of months ago we
the area. not right now. doug? doug: sunshine is back tomorrow but it will change sunday and monday. let's start with cloudiness around. very little rain. we are tracking the cold front north and west of the metro area through hagerstown. the area of rain is falling apart. it starts off. there it is. it falls apart. maybe isolated otherwise most people will see cloudy skies. we hang on to the mild temperatures after hitting a record high of 83 in washington. dropping into the low 70's for the next few hours. the forecast is partly cloudy and breezy. northwesterly winds 10 to 15. the gusts melee down before the sunrise and it may pick up again before the sunrise to make for a breeze i day tomorrow. highs near 60 at best. weekend is gorgeous.
activities you have planned. lower to mid-60's with the sunshine saturday and sunday. monday is beautiful. election day weather throughout the region is ideal. a cold front could produce clouds. we don't expect rain. fine weather tomorrow. election day whore is gorgeous. highs in the mid-60's. sunshine. looks good. we turn the clocks back one hour before going to bet. erin, what do you have for believe that the chicago cubs ended the curse and won the world series last night. do you think it was the best world series game ever? go to wjla.com/votenow to weigh in. more than 40 million viewers tuned in to watch the cubs beat the indians to win the first title in more than a sen churery. 108 years. a drought that ended fittingly in the rain.
losers now losers no longer. maybe the best world series game ever. even bill murray, comedian at a loss for words after this one. >> there's a magic gathering in the city. this is it. this is a long time coming. really great. erin: at home, capitals barry trotz says the team has a curse of its own to deal with on the cubs coming story. there is no curse. they will win for a long time. >> rodney is a chicago native on the georgetown hoops scene. >> it means a lot for the city of chicago. my uncle is a chef for the cubs and i got a chance to work for the cubs, and stuff like that. that was fun. see the team go crazy is crazy.
and the -- galore and special magazine covers to commemorate the occasion. when something is so historic, so beyond comparison, sometimes the little things best describe the almost indescribable. like this tweet from a parent of a tardy list at a chicago school. the cubs won it all. what better reason to be late? isn't that the best? i wonder what will happen friday. that larry: oh! alison: shut down any schools? erin: i don't know yet. i need the look into that but i know it starts tomorrow at 10:00. i can't imagine there is a lot of kids in school if they don't cancel it. alison: the schools were closed already tomorrow so a perfect day for it. erin: absolutely. larry: hilarious. thank you. next on "abc7 news at 5:00" -- making a move. find out why this building is
alison: for just the second time in the 14046 year history, washington's oldest synagogue relocated today to make way for the project in downtown d.c. synagogue at third and g street northwest was only shifted slightly. a dozen yards. but as mike carter-conneen reports the move took months of preparation. a lot of faith. >> it floated away foundation. >> they reinforced the corners and doug out the foundation and lifted all 273 tons over the wheels. >> slowly drop it back down. >> we have insurance. >> i took 30 minutes to move
with the wheels barely rolling. >> spectators and supporters. >> the sanctuary is upstairs. 80 people. >> this is temporary. in a couple of years it will move again with permanent locations a block south. new museum in history featuring it and painted in 1876 with grant attending. over time the building transformed. a greek orthodox church. barbecue pork carry out. >> neon pig on the corner of the jewish house of worship. >> it was saved from the demolition. relocated here. some smiled and acknowledged it involved displacement.
maureen: that is it at 5:00. but now at 2:00 -- >> a community frustrated. >> it took 45 minutes. alison: what brought mayhem to a area and has them begging for solutions. >> the driver in the deadly bus crash wasn't supposed to be behin growing problem of election anxiety. two simple things to do to destress. announcer: now, "abc7 news at 6:00". on your side. jonathan: first tonight residents fear for their safety because of a new shortcut. six weeks ago crews shut down a section of beach drive in northwest d.c. for a three-year rehab project. you can see behind me.
ton of work. the results now has people looking for ways to avoid big traffic. to get from connecticut to wisconsin, not an easy way to get there. there is an alley now that connects it. that is a major problem with so much traffic. that is what has residents living closeby troubled by this. alley. d.c. bureau chief sam ford joins us live. hop bad of a problem are we talking about. behind you is traffic. that is the normal situation. but the sam: yes. there is more traffic here, jonathan. because of the beach drive construction. yesterday, according to the pom, the ally behind the buildings here, she was almost hit by a speeding commuter. commuters are all over the place because the lines are longer. there goes a car in the alley now. they think they can save a few