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sharyl: water saleare about to beat out soft drinks for the first time. bryan pullen: trust me, it's the best you'll ever have. sharyl: it's very good. but muddying the bottled water pitch are environmentalists who question the impact of large-scale removal of water from springs and underground aquifers. mae wu: there are a lot of reasons why that's bad environmentally. sharyl: and communities from the dakotas to california are doing battle over this precious resource. jackie speier: there is something rotten in the u.s. department of agriculture and the forest service. sharyl: alicia dabney told us her harrowing tale of alleged sexual harassment as a firefighter with the forest service under the u.s. department of agriculture. alicia dabney: one of my captains was forcing me to tell him when i started my menstrual periods.
sharyl: the forest service and the u.s. department of agriculture all have sordid histories of civil rights violations and discrimination dating back decades. lesa donnelly: i wish i could say there was improvement. lisa fletcher: if miami's little havana is home to many cuban americans, then versailles is their kitchen. inside or out, the conversations are frank. politics and food mix like pastries and cortada, the cuban coffee of choice. felipe valls: now the conversation is no longer what's going to happen to fidel, but what's going to happen to cuba. now that fidel is gone, is there really going to be any difference?
sharyl: hello, i'm sharyl attkisson. welcome to "full measure." you may not know it, but there's a war going on over the nation's water. right now, bottled water is poised to outsell soft drinks for the first time. some insist it's a healthy trend. but others say bottled isn't necessarily better than tap and worry about the environmental impact. that's this week's cover story: "water wars." sharyl: even with a gps, we had a hard time finding this small natural spring nestled in the scenic hills of maine, where the owner's love for water runs as deep as the ancient, underground aquifer that feeds it. bryan pullen: trust me, it's the best you'll ever have. sharyl: it's very good. cold and clear. bryan pullen: fantastic. sharyl: bryan pullen owns summit springs, and all its history. bryan pullen: that's the cleanest thing you've ever touched in your entire lifetime. this building is
the masonry is original. the reason the building is in such great shape is because the water emanates from the ground at 46 degrees year round. never changes. sharyl: this metal enclosure is built over the spring. look inside and you can see down through several feet of super clear water to the h20 bubbling up through the gravel. the purest, most unadulterated water on the planet, says pullen, which he bottles in modest amounts, and sells regionally and online. bryan pullen: the bottling plant is actually 17 feet below where the source emanates. so we bottle by gravity. and by gravity flowing to the bottling plant, right there 50 feet away. so we believe we're probably the only one, almost anywhere on earth, that captures the water, gravity feeds it right into the bottle only at the source. no transportation, no pumps, no bore holes, no anything. sharyl: summit spring is a small player in a huge and some say strange, industry.
for a resource widely available for free. in 2015, bottled water sales reached $14.2 billion -- up 8.7% over the year before. americans drank a collective 11.7 billion gallons, averaging 36.3 gallons per person. and some recognizable names are leaders in the industry. nestle, with brands like arrowhead, deer park and poland springs, niagara, coca cola with dasani, and pepsi with aquafina. joe doss heads up the international bottled water association. joe doss: it's obviously a milestone event that bottled water's about to become the number one beverage product in the u.s. and again, i think it has to do with it's health driven, it's consumer driven. i think this is a function of consumers wanting to live healthier lifestyles. we're an on-the-go society, bottled water is safe, healthy, convenient.
for real spring water? absolutely it is. sharyl: says the guy who sells the spring water. bryan pullen: well, you can say that. but this is the most important thing you can do for your health or your children's. sharyl: but muddying the bottled water pitch are environmentalists who question the impact of large-scale removal of water from springs and underground aquifers. mae wu: there are a lot of reasons why that's bad environmentally. sharyl: mae wu is a senior attorney at the national resources defense council. mae wu: first, you think about the bottles that are being made, they pump oil out of the ground, and then turn it into these plastic bottles, and then use them to fill up to make the bottled water. so all of the environmental costs come from producing the bottles, transporting the bottles, and then at the end of the life cycle, most people don't recycle these bottles, so they just end up sitting in landfill forever. sharyl: there are other objections. across north america, we found recent efforts to slow or stop the water industry from extracting what the communities see as their
presque isle, wisconsin, suwanee and lakeland, florida, los lunas, new mexico, siskiyou coun, california, and throughout ontario, canada. mae wu: you're taking millions of gallons of water from one area and if you're trucking it to another part of the country, or another part of the world, then it is leaving the local city and the local town. sharyl: today, the u.s. is awash in water wars. water has sparked a sometimes-violent standoff after the federal government granted fast-track approval to build the dakota access oil pipeline near the standing rock indian reservation. native americans and other protesters insist a spill could harm the water the tribe and other residents rely on. this week the government said it would explore alternate routes. in flint, michigan, the vernment's attempt to make the water safer actually contaminated it with lead, causing a public health crisis. in this case, it's bottled water
a federal judge recently ordered officials to provide each resident at least 48 liters of bottled water per week. meantime, water bottlers have an answer for every environmental criticism. as for the idea that it's depleting community water supplies. joe doss: bottled water uses .02% of all the groundwater that is extracted in the united states. they can determine, and usually do, by the permitting process, how much water can be extracted. so, again, it's in our best interest to have long term, sustainable sources of water, otherwise we wouldn't be in business. sharyl: and the industry says it continues to push for recycling. finally the big question: is bottled water any better than tap water? naturally, that depends on the quality of the tap and the bottle, which varies widely. the problem is most bottled water doesn't come from a place
like this. fresh spring water that bubbles above the ground, no filtering necessary, then straight to your table. in fact, some bottled water comes straight from the faucet. mae wu: so know that you're not buying a product that's necessarily cleaner, that's necessarily safer, so don't buy it thinking that's what you're getting. but if you've decided for whatever reason that that's the decision that you want to make, you should do it will all that knowledge. sharyl: there is a real reason for people to be wary. bryan pullen: yes. sharyl: of the bottled water craze? bryan pullen: yes. absolutely. sharyl: it's not all great bottled water. bryan pullen: absolutely. is there a difference in food? is there a difference in organic food? is there a difference between certain producers of food and other producers of food? you got to do your homework. sharyl: the new c.e.o. sa
low calorie and non-calorie products. a large part of the demand is for water. coming up on "full measure." britain voted to leave it. what's next for the european union? facing an immigration crisis and growing populist movement, some say 2017 could be a rocky year. a candid talk with the e.u. ambassador to the u.s. about
year for europe. the continent strained to absorb near-record numbers of immigrants arriving from the middle east and africa. also, britain voted to exit the european union. and a new populist movement is threatening to bring more of the same brand of political change as we've seen here with the election of donald trump. we sat with the e.u. ambassador to the u.s. david o'sullivan and began the conversation with immigration. on the immigration situation, in the u.k., and europe, when we hear things reported in the united states, i think there are views. two one of them is that the gates have been opened and have welcomed people who are in desperate conditions and it's added a great deal of diversity to the e.u. and it's been a wonderful thing. on the other hand, i think there's a view that people are running amok, there are you know increases in crime because of this and people are endangered. what's the truth? david o'sullivan: well, i think it's much more the former and much less the later. i mean i think there have been relatively few incidence of violence or of civil civil unrest
has challenged european society simply by virutes of the numbers of people involved. but at the same time, there was nervousness, there was fear, there were 65 million displaced globally. were allf them going to come to europe were we going to be able to manage this? and i think that's been the challenge. and i think frankly we have now managed it, i think we have brought the situation under greater control. sharyl: does europe now have a policy that says what happens and how to keep this from being something that overwhelms the entire continent? david o'sullivan: yes, i think we do. nearly 9 out of 10 of the people arriving at our frontiers in one way or another have paid or been aided and abetted by a smugglers' network. and this is a human tragedy in many ways. people giving their life savings sometimes to be put on leaky vessels and risk their lives. so dealing with the smugglers is a very important part of what we're doing but also saving lives. and i know we have tragically lost nearly 4,000 people in the mediterranean this year. we have rescued nearly 400,000 people. sharyl: can you give me just one example of how you were able to
coming in from turkey to greece and get that down to about 100? david o'sullivan: we offered very substantial funds to turkey to assist with the refugees they had in turkey. turkey is hosting about 3 million refugees. we have promised them in the first phase about 3 billion euros in the second phase about 3 billion so 6 billion euros not a gift to the turkish government . but to provide facilities for the refugees in turkey so to create the best conditions possible for those refugees living in turkey on a temporary basis obviously hoping that when the situation in syria gets better they will return. that any, we agreed people that arriving illegally in europe and particular in greece would be returned to turkey. so we blocked the incentive of the smugglers to say to people oh once we get you to europe you're ok then you'll go onto
sharyl: as i hear you talk i'm thinking about our southern border. it could be it could be applied many of the same concerns. and questions could be applied. what could we take from what europe has already tried to implement, in protecting its own situation? david o'sullivan: perhaps the biggest difference in the united states, between e united states and europe, is we were dealing with people coming as asylum seekers and refugees fleeing conflict and with legal entitlement. this of course meant that you could not simply turn them away . it was not a question of say take a number and fill in a form and come back and we'll contact you. you had to take these people in . and that put huge pressure on our member states and we are now i think reducing that pressure. sharyl: do you see any similarities between the brexit vote in the u.k. and the donald trump vote here in the united states. and are there any lessons there? david o'sullivan: i think yes there is a general problem in the western world of a certain disillusion amongst the electorate with the establishment, with established
politics. we see this a lot in europe not just in the u.k. with the brexit vote but we've seen it in other countries. and i think that may have been an element here in the united states. sharyl: is this the beginning of a big sea change or europe falling apart as a union? david o'sullivan: i don't think we are falling apart at all. we were very disappointed by the vote in the u.k. i won't hide from you the fact that we were saddened at that decision of the british people that they want to leave the european union. we respect it, it's a democratic decision. we think it will have damaging consequences for the u.k. for the rest of us but of course this is the decision and we will now work our way through this to try and find the least damaging way of doing this. so people are often very critical of the european union i grant you. i like to say sometimes that brussels is held in about as much respect in europe as washington sometimes is in the rest of the united states. people like to groan but people also understand it brings many benefits and i think that it's one thing to complain it's
like to leave and i don't think any other country is going to follow that route anytime soon. sharyl: so five years from now you think all the countries remaining in the e.u. are still there? david o'sullivan: i'm absolutely certain that will be the case. sharyl: worth noting, the e.u. is two most important and powerful members france and germany will both be holding general elections next year. in france in particular, right wing, or populist, politicians are expected to do well. sharyl: still ahead. rep jody hice: you are allowing people to commit crimes and not removing them from office. sharyl: a capitol hill grilling for a federal agency with a long history of sexual harassment and
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sharyl: this summer, charges of sexual harassment brought down roger ailes, the head of fox news, in a matter of weeks and created a media frenzy about discrimination in the workplace. it's not just an issue for private companies -- but also the feds. as we first reported last year on "full measure," the u.s. department of agriculture and its forest service have been under scrutiny for decades.
after a recent congressional hearing. sharyl: last year on full measure, alicia dabney told us her harrowing tale of alleged sexual harassment as a firefighter with the forest service under the u.s. department of agriculture. dabney: one of my captains, my -- was forcing me to tell him when i started my menstrual periods. sharyl: so how did you report this? dabney: every month, when i would start my menstrual cycle, i would go in there, and i would cover my face with my hands and just say, you know, i started my period, and be humiliated. sharyl: why do you think he was doing that? dabney: i don't know his motives other than i just think he's sick to be honest. sharyl: the forest service and department of agriculture have sordid histories of civil rights violations and discrimination dating back decades. >> we do realize and recognize courage when we see it. sharyl: at a recent hearing, an advocate for minority employees at the department of agriculture, lesa donnelly, talked about dabney's case.
of being removed from his job. jody hice: you are allowing people to crimes and not removing them from office, allowing them to retire and get full benefits. and you can't even describe for this committee what possible behavior a person would have to commit in order for them to be removed from office. i find that inexcusable. jackie speier: there is something rotten in the u.s. department of agriculture and the forest service. sharyl: at his confirmation hearing in 2009, agriculture secretary tom vilsack promised to change the culture. but donnelley testified little has changed. lesa donnelly: in the last eight years there's been virtually no , response to our requests. i wish i could say there was improvement. one thing that had improved. and i can't. things have gotten worse in terms of the blatant harassment against women minorities, people , with disabilities.
leaders insist they're making progress. they point to a decrease in the number of harassment complaints and say internal investigations are faster now. alicia dabney -- who featured in our report -- has long since left the forest service. the government paid her a settlement, but admitted no fault. sharyl: ahead, some cuban-americans celebrated the recent death of fidel castro. we'll visit little havana in miami to see what they think about the new relations with cuba and how the new trump
sharyl: when dictator fidel castro rose to power in cuba over half a century ago, many to south florida. today, in our "full measure" pulse piece, lisa fletcher visits little havana in miami, to see what residents think about castro's death and cuba's future. lisa: if miami's little havana is home to many cuban americans, then versailles is their kitchen. the eatery is always packed, serving up cuban specialties and sweet coffee to the locals, tourists, and to these young men. bob ibarra: everyday, most of the time we have six or seven. maybe a dozen sometimes. we are what they call -- the teenagers. the teenagers of versailles. lisa: bob ibarra and carlos bustabad are brothers-in-law. they've come here, to this table, every single day for the last 40 years, holding court for anyone who's interested in hearing about what life was like
carlos bustabad: cuba was a beautiful place. cuba was a very hospitable place. people was nice. nobody went to bed hungry. you always found a friend. lisa: then came the revolution. in 1961, carlos had to hand over his home to the cuban government in exchange for his freedom -- a visa for himself, his wife and two small children. his brother-in-law bob saw the writing on the wall and left a few years earlier with a student visa. rita betancourt and her husband of 43 years share dessert and their feelings about the politics of cuba. lisa: president obama was trying to improve relations with cuba. they raised the flag over the american embassy in cuba, donald trump is talking about rolling that back. what's the sense of things in the cuban er
>> i like donald trump. with cuba never we have relations. lisa fletcher: so you think donald trump is taking a better approach? >> yes. lisa: inside or out, at versailles, the conversations are frank. politics and food mix like pastries and cortado, the cuban coffee of choice. felipe valls' dad started this place 45 years ago. felipe valls: here in this coffee corner you can always find, especially the older generation, discussing how and when is the demise of castro coming. his demise has probably been constructed here probably over a billion times through the years. now the conversation is no longer, what's going to happen to fidel? but what's going to happen to cuba, is there really going to be any difference? lisa: most here say no. but that doesn't make this moment in history any less powerful.
died, you guys all, i'm assuming gathered here like you do every day. what was the tone like? carlos bustabad: for me, i was happy that he was dead. lisa: what about you? bob ibarra: we feel that he was not a human being in a sense. carlos bustabad: now things might start shaping up a bit in cuba. we have one more to go, but hopefully he will be gone soon too. and you never know what the future brings. sharyl: we will see. next week on "full measure." blowing the whistle on massive waste. john spoko: and what we are basically finding is the records are horrible. they didn't keep records. and so we're finding waste, fraud, and probably abuse throughout the program. sharyl: the inspector general for afghanistan talks about wasted tax dollars and the those trying to silence him. until then, thank you for watching, i'm sh
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