tv This Week With George Stephanopoulos ABC September 9, 2012 9:00am-10:00am EDT
good morning and welcome to "this week." the president of the united states. >> obama on offense. >> the path we offer may be harder but it leads to a better place and i'm asking you to choose that future. >> the president and his party make their pitch. >> we believe that we're all in this together is a far better philosophy than you're on your own. >> ask osama bin laden if he's better off now than he was four years ago? this man has passion in his heart and a spine of steel. >> did obama convince voters
that he deserves to be rehired? with less than two months to go, what will define the final sprint and break this election deadlock? >> we'll our headliner paul ryan. >> we'll win this debate. plus, mayor cory booker and rand paul join our powerhouse roundtable. george will, roberts and paul krugman. hello again. conventions are done. debates are coming. new polls show a bit of a bounce for democrats. but friday's mee owe kerr's jobs report may be camp that down. >> when our opponent says that
our nation is in this decline, they are dead wrong. this is a america. >> here now with a response just 58 days from the final votes, the republican nominee for vice president congressman paul ryan. good morning, congressman. >> hey, good morning, george. >> do you stand by your belief that america is a country in decline in. >> i think president obama has placed us on the decline. highest poverty race in a generation. nearly one out of six americans in poverty. it's the 43rd month of unemployment above 8%. for every person who got a job, nearly four stopped looking for work. george, we have to create 10,000 jobs every month just to keep up with population growth. it's on the wrong path. >> you and governor romney
create 2 million jobs. it's almost exactly the number that the private sector economy will be created no matter who's president. a concessions that your plan won't improve the economy >> i beg to differ, we don't have a normal recovery today. just look at the job numbers that we got on friday. it's president obama's failed leadership and failed policies which is why we have such stagnant recovery. if we get the right policies in place, the five-point plan, these are good economic, pro-growth policies, we think this economy can grow a lot faster than it has been growing. >> but moody's economics said on the path, the country's on the path 2 million jobs.
>> we're not on that kind of a path. we need to get on that kind of path, ph path, faster growth path. education educational policy. getting spending and deficit under the control because that's hurting the economy. small businesses. making, growing things in america. these are the things that worked in the past, they're proven success stories. we want to reapply those policies to the times. >> you and governor romney have argued that your tax cuts would be paid for by closing loopholes for the wealthy. but president clinton took dead aim at this plan. >> they'll have to eliminate so many deductions, the one likes home mortgage and charitable giving that middle-class americans will see their tax bills up.
or two, they'll have to cut all of the programs that help empower middle-class families. >> how do you make the math work without reducing the big deduction and first of all, those claims have been pretty discredited? so, the analysis that you're seeing is not an analysis of the romney plan. we think that the secret to economic growth is lower tax rates for families and successful small businesses by closing loopholes. not question what loopholes. high-income can shelter from taxation. if you take those shelters away from high-income more of their income is taken by taxation. here's where the president wants
to take the country, he wants to add a small tax increase and more loopholes, deductions of the code. that will crush jobs. you have to remember, george, that most of our small businesses they pay their taxes as individuals. most of our jobs come from these successful small businesses. we have shown, the princeton study the harvard analysis, they have shown that you can lower taxes for the tax base, yet there is still room left for broad-based policies that the middle-class enjoy so no one has a tax increase. >> many say it's going to difficult to accept your word if you're not going to specify loopholes your willing to close. >> mitt romney and i, based on our experience, to show the framework the outline of the plans, to work with congress to do this.
>> isn't that a secret plan? >> no, no. what we don't want is a secret plan. what we don't want do is cut a back-door deal like health care policy. >> because we want to have this debate in public and with congress. we want to do this with the representatives chosen by the people. our priorities are, high-income earners should not get these kind of loopholes. we should have a broad-based plan to middle-class taxpayers to advance charities. we should do it out in the public view where the public can participate. >> having it in public before the election so voters can have it before they make up the mind?
>> we think the best way to do this is to get this framework in place, negotiate, work with democrats, have these kind of hearings, have this conversation to get this objection. >> president clinton took aim at the savings of medicare. 35% reduction over the next decade and the president argued that it's going be devastating for seniors who rely on medic e medicare. how can you squeeze that money out of a program? $800 billion without cutting benefits or restricting eligibility? >> medicare spending still goes up under what we're proposing. we want to repeal obama care. we're taking the massive increases to in obama care. third of the people that obama care is supposed to serve they're pushing them on
medicare. medicare isn't working. doctors are less likely to take people on medicaid. we want to reform medicaid. don't expand this program as dramatically obama care does, keep it like it is, increase its funding and send it to the states so the states can fix this problem. i think government closest to the people works the best. >> but the urban institute has estimated between 14 million and 27 million fewer people will be covered under that plan and won't bloc grant planning that mean low-income and disabled people lose their guaranteed right to coverage. >> no, not at all. of course not. governors are asking us all the time flexibility on medicare. look, every state has different issues and different problems.
so, we want to be able to give the states the tools they need. spend it on their medicaid populati population. i won't get into the details. what we have done in the past, they still have to serve this population. they just get more flexibility on how to serve this population instead of all of these rules from washington who make it hard for them to meet the mandate. >> let's talk about foreign policy and in his convention speech, president obama called your ticket new to foreign policy, that's a quote. >> you might not be ready to diplomacy to beijing without insulting our strongest ally. my opponent said thatt was tragic to end the war in iraq and he won't tell us how he'll
end the war in afghanistan. >> how will the president romney end the war in afghanistan? >> look, those kind of comments are said when you don't have a good record to run on, when you're offering four more years of the same. >> you don't think he has a good foreign policy -- >> to your afghanistan question, we have said that we agreed the 2014 and where we're ended with afghanistan. but where we have taken issue is the generals on the ground get the resources they need to keep our soldiers safe and offer counte counterinsurgency needs. so, we beg to differ with the president on parts of his afghanistan policy.
but we support the 2014 deadline. >> finally a question about the debates. your debate coming up in october. i want to show you part of a fox news debate from the republican primaries and get you to respond. here it was. >> say you had a deal, a real spendings cut deal, 10-2, spending cuts to tax increase. >> reporter: speaker, you're already shaking your hand. raise your hand if you feel strongly not raising tax and if you had been on that stage, would you have raised your hand? >> it depends on the quality of the agreement, the quality of to policy. our gauche or thnegotiators -- to me isn't ratio but the quality of the policies. >> you wouldn't walk from that in. >> there's no deal to walk away
from it. you're giving me ratios. let me say this, our problem is not that we're overtaxed, we are overtaxed. our problem is, we spend too much money. during the obama years, we borrowed almost 40 cents every dollar government was spending. half of that borrowing came from other country, half of it from china. that's unsustainable. the problem isn't we need to take more money from the taxpayers from america and spend it in washington, that doesn't work. the problem is, we have to get our spending under control. we need pro-growth economic policies to get people back to work. tax cuts, entitle reforms, that's the recipe that works. back to growing the economy. >> if you get the kind of entitlement reforms that you
get, you're willing to raise more revenue. >> i believe that we'll get more revenue from strong economic growth. also i don't want to take my eye off the ball that spending is the problem. the problem with president obama and his budgets, add up his tax increases, all his tax increases that will come in january, they don't pay for a fifth of his propose deficit spending. they're taking the money from small businesses and families and spending it. that doesn't work. that's bad economics. that doesn't help the debt crisis. we believe with the right kind of economic growth policies we'll get people going from an unemployment line to working and paying taxes. >> congressman ryan, thank you very much for your time this morning. >> you bet, george we'll be right back with our powerhouse roundtable in just 60
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the co-chair of the democratic platform committee. joining george will, cokie roberts and paul krugman. >> george. >> the two numbers that he stressed deserve stressing again. 230,000 dropped out of the job market. for every job created, four people quit looking for jobs. if the work force participation rate in 2009, we would have an unemployment rate 11.2%. i think from here on in, on the basis of these numbers, the romney campaign slogan should be the title of paul krugman's book, "end the depression now." because these are depression numbers. if the republican party can't
win in this environment, need to get out of politics. >> the thing that you need to bear in mind, this is not president obama's policies at work. he had a bill american jobs act that would have added 1.2 million, 1.3 million jobs by now. you have this amazing two-step, where the republican party blocks all of obama's proposed policies. . that says look his policies aren't working. >> fundamental disagreement where we should put the money in the government sector. those who want to have a government stimulus, they don't understand what milton freeman said, nobody said somebody else's money as wisely as they spend their own. that's where you want the money. >> the private sector is creating jobs --
>> one of the places where the private second -- public sector is losing jobs big time is in education and that really is so sho shortsighted. if we're not educating our kids, then our future economic growth is really at risk. >> let me echo that, look, the eisenhower campaign, eisenhower highway act, those were great jobs, trucking companies and other businesses are still using right now. i dropped out of the workforce. i dropped out of the labor force when i was 18 and went to stanford university. >> this is a president who created 4.5 million jobs. 30 straight months of jobs creation. we were loetsing 750,000 jobs when this guy entered the office. >> roads don't create business
success. business success allows us to build roads. >> i'm not arguing with that. we need both. >> right now, mitt romney has an ooed blitz where he's accusing president obama of defense spending. the romney campaign's position is government spending can create jobs unless it goes to defense -- >> that's an inconsistency. >> and it's wrong. >> george will? >> with regard to the education cuts, for several decades now, we have been expanding education employment and that's not just teachers, enormous administrative overhead, much faster than enrollment has been expanding. second, bill clinton took 50 minutes because he needed every
one of them to give all of the excuses for why these programs didn't work. someone once said, that none of his predictions have come through yet. mrt obama gave a lot of hostages to fortunes about how it would work. >> one of his economist, early on, the fact of the matter is, we were all serious about the numbers. me, for example. from the beginning that it was going to be inadequate. pretty much the analysis underlaid the program, it was going to turn out. you know, obama had a filibuster-proof majority for a few months in 2009. ever since. >> but there's a reasons they lost in 2010, the people weren't happy with what was going on.
>> you cannot run -- >> it's also true that the reason -- one of the reasons we're seeing this slowdown is that businesses aren't sure what's going happen because of this fiscal cliff that we're facing. >> but who created that cliff? >> the government structure is struggling. fewer government employees under obama than they were under bush. >> that's a fact. >> it's enormous under president obama. >> we would have more than 1 million employed. >> the certainty for small businesses. this president has cut taxes on small businesses 18 different times. he's done enough to target incentives to small businesses. in addition to the fact giving them breaks for investments. i think it's more important.
i want to call the question that paul ryan left wide open, how can you call for $5 trillion worth of tax cuts, give us no specifics, this paul ryan who used to be a man of substance, who put up plans with great deal of specificity and not dig us into a deeper budget -- >> bill clinton and arithmetic. >> this is always who he was. >> the governor of virginia said, the final strategy for romney/ryan is bolstering the credibility of their plan. can they do that? >> it comes down to who's better for the economy is romney. i just finished the forgotten man. how business was terrified of the president.
in that, he said the continuing disquieting utterance of the president, that's what we have as a president who vilifies businesses. >> i'm sorry. you can't have a president that's going to get elected on just trust me, you need to see the facts. right now, they have given no facts. i'm going to cut loopholes. wa a minute, are you going to cut loopholes on carried interest? are you going to cut my home mortgage deduction? who's going to get tax loophole cuts? >> when you start to get into those kind of tax deductions there's a reason they're still there. any time you start to tax them the public starts to go crazy. it's individuals who have home mortgage deductions. >> you're going help the middle
class? tax cuts benefitting the wealthy. >> there's an argument, one of the reasons the new deal failed as the great objective putting america back to work, was that capital went on struck as the senator said, because of uncertainty. but there is uncertainty surrounding the romney/ryan tax cut plan. because they haven't specified the deductions that will be closed and we know where the big money is, charitable deductions, employee-provided health care. all of those, you either, hit only the rich, or you hit the middle class. >> during the great depression, we raised taxes five years in a row, it was disaster, it expended the depression. what does president obama want to do, raise taxes. take it out of the productive
economy and give it to the nonproductive economy. >> the percentage of gdp has gone way up. this is the thinking that got us in the problem in the. first place. >> we got to take a break. lots more to come for our powerhouse roundtable. ♪ [ construction sounds ] ♪ [ watch ticking ] [ engine revs ] come in. ♪
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ladies and gentlemen, please welcome former congresswoman gabrielle giffords. i pledge allegianc toeshgs the flag of the united states of america and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> gabrielle giffords, surprise moment at the democratic convention. george will, let me come to you, one of the other surprise, was the reviewsover president obama's speech. i kind of thought the sober
thoug thought. >> george, the big difference in america politics in a generation is this, in 1988, mike dukakis left the democratic convention with a huge bounce ahead of george herbert walker bush, it's 24-point swing. in today's electorate that you could have that volatility. what the republicans are counting on are undecides to break against the incumbent. >> well, actually, it's interesting to see comparing the 2008 exit with the 2012 average espn polls the groups of americans who have gone off on
p obama, moderates, they haven't gone on to romney and that's exactly, they're still getting what mccain got. those are the groups of people that he has to get. in fact the jobs numbers don't mean anything in this election. i think, everybody's factored that in already. we know that story is there. what the democrats are trying to do and probably will succeed in doing is putting together blocks of voters and so, you know, you have women and minorities, gays, this convention, over and over again the speeches that were not on the air, were talking about gay rights, minority rights, immigration the dream act, all of that. and i think that the republicans have made a tremendous mistake here. in 1992, when it was the economy, stupid.
the minority vote was 12%. in 2008, it was 26%. it's expected to be 28% in this election. and if that's true, obama, you know i can get 80% of if nonwhite vote he can win with only 38% of the white vote. >> senator paul, to fire up his base to counter, you wrote in your book, not enough for republicans to elect the republican, but the right kind of republican, has governor romney done enough to quiet the doubts among his base. >> i think so. one of the big things that energized the tea party was the opposition to obama care. conservatives know it's a political decision. i think that brought his base together and will help him. as far as inclusive with the democratic convention, they do include a lot of groups, instead of the group that believe in
god, they said image is worth a thousand words. when the images of people booing god, that's a tough image to overcome. >> you're the co-chair of the platform committee. >> this is actually the kind of cheap shot that politics makes. . seriously. at the end of the day, people look at the platform before it with us there, faith, religion, clergy, all of that was in there. you want to take omissions this is a platform, it's not the president. when the president found out about it, he changed it. look, i was the co-chair of the platform committee. when the president of the united states he changed it. let me tell you, romney, he found about changes that he didn't agree with and didn't make those changes. if you talk about omissions. romney failed to mention the war in afghanistan.
these are the small issues. >> he was asked why the war in afghanistan wasn't there. the president is a man of faith who believes in god. mitt romney definitely cares about the troops in the field. they're both intelligent men. one believes in abortion under no circumstances. rain incest. the other one, a woman has a right to choose. >> you took out language from previous platforms who said it should be safe, legal and rare. i think this democratic convention was really over the top in terms of abortion. every single speaker spoke about abortion. 30% of democrats are pro-life. >> hold on. we had leaders of the catholic church, in our convention, i'm one of the speaker, i didn't mention abortion.
i don't think we should be attacking planned parenthood. i'm worried about substantive policies. one candidate said that we should gut family planning and planned parenthood. the other candidate said that we support family planning. hold on. >> god can take care of himself. >> removing the capital of israel was an act of omission. you go out in newark and stop someone and say the capital of delaware, vermont and israel. some are going to know, dover. everyone except the state department will know that the
capital of israel is jerusalem. >> the platform committee may have done it. but when the president of the united states found out about it, he intervened. what romney has done, he simply tried to stiff-arm them and distanced him from his platform. we have a party right now, where our party and platform are beautifully aligned. let's talk about substantive differences now between platforms. >> there are two striking things comparing the two conventions. obama seems quite confident. >> they didn't have to make extraordinary efforts. he was able to change the platform in ways the base didn't like. he didn't have that problem. whereas romney was afraid to do that. at this point, on social issues the democrats are the ones who
are pushing the vote for us. because we share the values. >> the democrats also on offense on foreign policy and national security issues which is a big switch from past conventions. and take a look at joe biden thursday night. >> it's not worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars just to catch one person. he was wrong. because if you understood that america's heart had to be healed you have done exactly what the president did and you would move heaven and earth to hunt him down and to bring him to justice. >> george will, this is a big switch. >> since the righteous convention of 1968 and then the four years later, the nomination of george mcgovern by the democrat party. the democrats have been on defense on the issue of defense. that is, they perceive as weak. this year it's a complete
turnaround. democrats want to talk about foreign policy in part because they're liquidating two unpopular wars. there's not a difference between mr. romney and mr. obama on afghanistan going forward. both subscribed to the end of 2014 time line. >> senator paul, you and your father both tried to spark more of a debate inside your party on foreign policy. >> well, and this is one area that cory and i are aligned. he said that he wants to come home from afghanistan. yes, come home. the sooner the better. in the area of afghanistan and pakistan, one area that wasn't discussed enough, somehow this doctor's name got leaked, president obama has awarded pakistan money in foreign aid. no more foreign aid to pakistan
until he's released. he helped us get bin laden. we shouldn't be spending good money after bad in pakistan. you talked about building roads in america? let's stop spending it overseas. bring it home. >> this is one area there's a big difference, we can't shirk on supporting. if we're going to call ourself the home of brave, these are the kind of investments but not only wars abroad, we should take care of them in government. >> cokie, this isn't a debate that the republican ticket want to emphasize? >> no, they don't. they don't have a real position that, first of all, that's different from there dmgs. but also, it's sort of unrepublican to be in this place
where there is feeling they do want to disengage and that hasn't been the republican attitude and i think that, as i said, it was president, part of what we're dealing with here, when we talk about foreign policy and particularly osama bin laden, it gives him the credibility as president. you know, who conducts foreign policy, the president and the state department. and so, he gets to wear his presidential mantle as he talks about foreign policy. >> one of the thing that's happening. i want to move to the politics now, going forward to the next 58 days we have left. it's remarkable. i want to put a map up showing where governor romney is airing new ads. nevada, colorado, wisconsin, iowa, ohio, virginia, north carolina and florida. that's it. right now, being fought in those states and we have seen romney lay out millions of dollars in
ads just this weekend, state-specific ads. here's one for ohio. >> this president can ask us to be patient. this president can tell us that it was someone else's fault. but he can't tell you you're better off now. >> his faildz economic and trade policies with china have destroyed thousands of jobs. >> actually in ohio, they are better off. that's a funny -- >> the midwest has made a huge comeback under obama. >> one thing that's striking is how often they talked about the auto bailout. >> in this sprint to november 6th, the republicans are going to talk economics. in north carolina, where the democrats convened there are 830,000 hispanics.
it used to be a matter of the gateway states of california and texas, still 47% live there. but it's all over the country now. >> and this is where republicans have made a major mistake. i did a story in the 1908 s. hispanics nations came out and signed up with the republican party. because republicans are winner. they represent the people who made it. we came to this country to make it. hispanics went 180 off of the republican party. now that's happening nationwide and i believe that the republicans have made a mistake with immigration and now with voting rights that will last for a generation with hispanics at least the way civil rights has lasted with blacks. >> if we expanded working permits and working visas and
ve ve visas for people, i'm all for that. >> democratic wager is to get them to turn out. the republicans spent 20 debates in the primary competing to see who could pledge to build the longest, thickest, most lethal ly fence. >> if there's a kid in this country, only pledge allegiances to one country, contributing to our economy, we shouldn't be kicking them out to countries they don't know. they're speaking to latinos. they want to know who's going to present a better pathway for success.
right now, for latinos being offered by democrats. >> the louisiana republican party was all blacks. because of abraham lincoln and when you looked at a convention then, see louisiana, it was black faces. but the civil rights bill. >> it was republican of texas. >> we had george h.w. bush in his house. >> but civil rights changed that. >> 1884, prominent republican described the democratic party the party as rum, it took a century for republicans to win the catholic vote. >> during this convention, mormons were always democrats, because the moral act of 1862, the land grant college act also outlaud polygamy. >> why the democratic party
ahead of history. when you say latinos this is party for you and that's a growing demographics. when we talk about gays in this country, not equal medical rights, equal immigration rights, this is a party that's basically saying we're going to create an equal path to success. >> regardless of the jobs numbers. >> it's not about strategic positioning. the republican party is where it is because of the base. they had to appeal to their base. by and large is ed d-- elderly americans talking to a chair. >> everybody's here is talking about how the republican party
breaks out from its current base, what is the strategy for that? >> i have been talking to as lot of the national leaders, certain part of the countries that we have gen off, what i keep telling them, maybe we need some libertarian americans who may be popular in those areas. physically conservative policy. might do better in california, oregon, washington, new england. i think if we had that it would be a great strategy. we have given up 150 electoral votes. >> and mayor booker, you're probably visiting new jersey outside of newa are, k. >> look, at the end of the day, i went around to six to seven states, from florida to iowa and they get it. the more successful we're going
to get. at the end of the day, america is the united states of america. if you want to go fast, go alone. if you want to go far, go together. >> not only did you go to iowa, you went to the iowa delegation and said that you were a proud grandson of iowa. >> my grandmother grew up in des moines. she came to buxton. coal-mining family. >> george, at convention, at lot of talk around these conventions, already cut back to three nights, should they be radically changed? >> the iowa caucus. the convention. >> that's all i have to say. >> we need a little data on who watches these conventions and what effect they have. you know, conventions are a
government program and enormous amount of tax dollars go into them. they go on forever. maybe we should terminate these. >> i thought that the conventions were informative. normally catch politics in snippets on the news, got to see extended laying out of positions on both sides. lot happened. right? we saw -- we saw the implosion of paul ryan, you know, extraordinary reputation, because people got to see him speaking at length on national television. we saw bill clinton laying out a case in more detail than people would ever get to see. i'm not sure that conventions don't decide anything in terms of who gets nominated. >> yeah, i think they have. >> i think conventions are great. there's some information to be gathered. but i agree with george. in fact, i have been proposing in the senate, what we should,
all of the senators should come to the floor and we should have a real debate. back and forth. sort of be mandatory that they show up. one person talking to an empty camera. more discussion would be beneficial. >> i would love to have more time. but we're out of time. conversation will continue online. mayor booker and senator paul will answer your questions on twitter. check out excerpts from senator paul's new book "government bullies." on abcnews.com/thisweek. first, three moments from this week in history? >> guilty or not guilty. >> president clinton on trial in the senate. the dow ek broke a barrier. >> historic day on wall street today. it went over 10,000 and it stayed there through the market
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