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tinder's longest relationship. and finally, the makers of the roomba robotic vacuum are working on a new robotic lawn mower. which answers the question, where's the cat? [ laughter ] ladies and gentlemen, this is the 8g band. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: how are we doing, 8g band. lovely to see you guys. everybody, fred armisen has been back with us all week. so great to have you here, fred. always such a delight to have you here. best thing about having you here, we get to talk. we get to catch up. i get to find all the amazing things you've been doing. and the only thing i'll say, and again please do not take this personally, there are times that i personally worry that you are making things up off the top of your head to try to impress me. and i just want it say, as your friend, you do not have to do that.

i love you no matter what. i'm not trying to be impressed with you. whatever you do -- whatever you've actually have done is fine with me. but is this true? i heard that, you know, there's a lot of talk about last week's debate, that you're hosting a debate this weekend. >> fred: i am. >> seth: you are? >> fred: yes. >> seth: so what's your debate for? >> fred: we're trying to figure it out. we're just working on it. we don't know. a huge team of us, we're just like really getting together, trying to figure out a place and time. and hopefully, i think there is an airport that might be open to us that will let us do this. >> seth: and this is a presidential debate? >> fred: yes. >> seth: okay, wow. >> fred: a presidential debate. >> seth: it seems like you should have it figured out by now. >> fred: i know. i know. we are working so hard. and we apologize to everyone out there. we're so sorry. we are trying to get it out there as fast as we can. >> seth: is it for republicans or democrats? >> fred: that's the -- it's everybody. >> seth: okay. >> fred: it's anyone who is campaigning or trying to get it together, we are really gonna have -- it's gonna be the best debate you have ever seen. >> seth: but you don't know where or when it is?

>> fred: no. >> seth: do you have podiums yet? >> fred: yes. that's the one thing we have. [ laughter ] these are the beautiful, just the most elegant very just so well designed, these podiums. they're so beautiful. they're mostly ceramic. >> seth: oh, my god, they're ceramic podiums. >> fred: ceramic podiums. yes. and they're all signed -- >> seth: really? >> fred: yeah. old baseball players and stuff. but they're so beautiful. they really are hand-made. each and every podium. >> seth: did you have the baseball players come to the podium or did you bring the podiums to the baseball players? >> fred: we just collected old cards and we just had them embedded into the podium. >> seth: so not technically signed? >> fred: no, no. but i can't stress enough how beautiful these podiums are. >> seth: that's great. >> fred: please watch. we're begging everyone to watch. >> seth: all right. so, for the debate again, it's democrats and republicans. you do not know the time or the place. but beautiful podiums. >> fred: no. but the last i heard, it is extremely soon. [ laughter ] very soon. eminent. this is an eminent debate.

>> seth: is it gonna be covered on the network? >> fred: i think every network is gonna do it. >> seth: i don't know. i don't think so. >> fred: i think so. >> seth: i don't think so. >> fred: i think so. i think that's what i heard. >> seth: i don't think so. >> i heard yes. >> seth: i don't think so. >> fred: really? i heard that was the case. >> seth: i really don't think that's possible. >> fred: i'm sure of the opposite. >> seth: give it up for fred armisen, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] she is in a wonderful new film called "diary of a teenage girl," one of our very good friends, kristen wiig is on the show tonight. [ cheers and applause ] the fantastic kristen wiig is here. he is the emmy nominated star of "unbreakable kimmy schmidt." tituss burgess is with us tonight. the very funny tituss burgess. [ cheers and applause ] and he is the creator of shows such as "the wire" and "treme" and the new hbo mini series "show me a hero," david simon is with us this evening. [ cheers and applause ] so, before we move on with the

show, i recently read in the news that competitive crossfit has become not just a workout trend but also a popular spectator sport. and things like this always, well, they get me to thinking. i'm getting older now, and sometimes i look around me and i don't even recognize the world that i'm living in. things are changing everyday and not always for the better. so i would like to take some time it talk about how things were, oh, just a bit more simple. back in my day. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: so now everybody's doing crossfit, huh? back in my day, we didn't have crossfit. if you were dragging a giant tire across the parking lot, that meant you worked in a tire store. or you were addicted to meth. or if you were really lucky,

both. and last week i read they were selling asparagus water for $6 a bottle at whole foods. back in my day, we didn't buy asparagus water for $6 a bottle, poppycock. we bought coconut water for $7 a bottle. and we would have bought it for eight. man, what were we drinking? oh, right, coconut water. back in my day you couldn't just shazam a song to find out what it was. if you had a song you didn't know you had to go to your friends and be like, "what's that song that's like --" da da da da jackson, mississippi da da da bada bada skippy and they'd be like, "i have no idea what you're talking about." and so you turn around and sing the same thing to a few more friends. da da da da jackson, mississippi da da da bada bada skippy but, still no one knew and eventually you died. never knowing it was "uptown funk."

i guess in the end, they didn't give it to you. and now i hear verizon is doing away with traditional two-year cell phone plans. back in my day, if you signed up with verizon it was for life. sure you didn't know when your contract started or ended or how to contact anyone who could help you or how they charge you or what they were charging you for, but it was a commitment. and you never complained about it because verizon was always listening in and they could hear you now. isn't that right, rusty? [ bark ] whoa, whoa, girl. [ laughter and applause ] just thought of another one. back in my day, we didn't have podcasts. we had pod races. the space races in "star wars:

episode one the phantom menace." and to be honest, we would have rather had podcasts because "phantom menace" sucked. [ laughter and applause ] back in my day we didn't have candidates like donald trump making blatantly sexist remarks while trying to get into office. our candidates were more restrained. they waited until they already won the office and then used their power to pass blatantly sexist laws. it wasn't as entertaining but it was seriously more [ bleep ] up. [ laughter ] back in my day, people didn't write "ha ha" in a text message to express laughter. what's that supposed to mean? no, back in my day we use lol and lmfao. but then lmfao became a weird band and took on a whole new meaning. so we didn't like using it any more. i'm sure hope "ha ha" didn't become a weird band. why if it does, i think i might just might kill myself. jk. [ bark ] [ bark ]

i said, jk! back in my day we couldn't just facetime each other on our iphones. if you wanted to talk to someone face-to-face you had to get out there and find them on skype. sure, skype was always freezing and it dropped calls every 30 seconds. all in all it was so frustrating to use you wanted to just smash your head through the computer screen, but that just showed how much you cared. and when you called someone and made that beautiful sound that i'll never forget. [ skype call ] no, that's not quite right. [ skype call ] there it is. [ bark ] oh, i bet you think can you do better? [ skype call ] oh, good job, rusty. [ cheers and applause ] and finally, back in my day, we didn't entertain ourselves with fancy ebook devices like the amazon fire. no, sir. we entertained ourselves with

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[ cheers and applause ] >> seth: welcome back to "late night," everybody. our first guest tonight is an oscar and emmy award nominee, and one of the funniest people i know. she's taking a dramatic turn in her latest project, the critically acclaimed new film entitled the "diary of a teenage girl," it's currently playing in select cities. let's take a look. >> when i was in high school, well, boys were all over me. >> like my dad. >> yeah. yeah, your dad and i were crazy about each other. he wasn't messed up.

he was just a wannabe artist with a [ bleep ] the world attitude. and he wrote a triumph blackbird, i have ever told you that? it was fantastic. my parents hated him, it was so hot. >> seth: please welcome back to the show, my very good friend, kristen wiig. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: hi there. >> wow. [ cheers and applause ] hello. hi. >> seth: so happy to see you. >> my gosh. >> seth: i'm so happy to see you. you look beautiful as always. >> thank you. >> seth: you've been very busy this summer. >> yes. >> seth: you've been very busy.

>> i have been. >> seth: and yet we can still find time to hang out. it's been such a wonderful summer. >> it's been so nice. i've been coming -- i'm telling you. i've been coming to martha's vineyard to see you. >> seth: yes, thank you. but more importantly, i think again, it's great we get to see each other. our dogs have gotten to hang out. >> yes, they have a little love affair. >> seth: i have some photos, and i want you to talk through which part of the relationship this is. >> well, this is the beginning when they weren't talking to each other. [ laughter ] >> seth: okay. that's my frisbee and that's your moose. >> yes. they didn't want to acknowledge there was another dog in the boat. they're like, "nope, it's just me." >> seth: just me. >> that's that one. >> seth: but then they -- this is like a day later. >> this is a day later. >> seth: yeah. >> there's still no eye contact, but they're kind of -- >> seth: sun bathing together a littlebit. >> kind of sunbathing together. >> seth: and then -- i was happy to see this, because this has happened. frisbee has gotten dressed up a lot. and then there was a fashion show. there was a dog fashion show. >> it was late at night. [ laughter ] >> seth: it was late at night. >> we were having party.

>> seth: it was a party. >> it was late at night and we thought it would be fun to do a fashion show for everybody. >> seth: yeah. and it was a party, there were six people. >> well, yeah. >> seth: and you jumped out and very enthusiastically and said, "there's going to be a fashion show!" [ laughter ] >> i like to put on shows at parties. >> seth: yeah, and they're wonderful shows. i will say moose did not seem as excited about the fashion show. >> i think this picture will say something different. i think she -- [ laughter ] i think she's happy to be a sailor. >> seth: she did not have a runway sass about her. >> we kind of pushed her down the stairs. [ laughter ] like, "you're first." >> seth: "this only works if you go first." >> we had techno music playing, we had -- >> seth: it was really good. >> -- six people, it was crazy. >> seth: you have been in boston. you've been very close because you were working on "ghostbusters." very excited. [ cheers and applause ] everyone's very excited about that. >> it's so fun. >> seth: yeah, and then i also heard -- is this true? you've been doing a lot of voiceover work.

>> yes. i have been -- basically i've been doing a lot of dubbing for like, a lot of american shows when they go overseas. i do the voices. >> seth: gotcha. for what shows? >> for other countries. well, i do yours -- >> seth: wait, sorry, you -- >> you didn't know i did yours? >> seth: no. >> you did not know i did yours? >> seth: you dub this show -- >> yes. >> seth: --when it goes to another country? >> yes. >> seth: do you dub it into a foreign language? >> i dub it, yes. we have -- do you want to see some that i've done? >> seth: yeah. yeah. [ cheers and applause ] >> is it going right now? >> seth: no, no, no. >> oh, here we go. all right, everybody. thanks for coming. oh, look at this crowd. [ laughter ] i got a great show tonight. we have got a lot of guests and guess what -- >> seth: okay, i'm sorry. i'm gonna cut this clip off real

if i'm confused by anything, the show is already in english. [ laughter ] why would you dub it into and also why would you change the words? >> because sometimes when shows -- there is a different sensibility. you have to cater to people. it is a different sense of humor. you know? fred knows what i'm talking about. [ laughter ] >> seth: now what happens when there's a guest? like, do you dub the guest? >> no, fred does the voice. [ laughter ] >> seth: fred, you -- fred, [ applause ] you've been dubbing -- >> yes. >> seth: you've been dubbing this show and also didn't think you should tell me that? >> fred: did i not tell you? >> seth: no you didn't. [ laughter ] so you you have a clip? >> we have an interview. >> seth: okay. >> hi, so grab your hand -- grab somebody's hand -- he just threatened to sniff it. >> fred: oh, boy. hey, oh! >> and the windows -- >> fred: this is my stable. this is my desk. >> this is my jacket. >> fred: this is my desk. >> oh, i'm gonna come closer. oh. >> fred: oh, you got a movie coming out.

it looks really, really great. >> yeah. yeah. >> fred: so listen, how does this look for you? >> thank you. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: i'm not -- i'm not sure if it's the spirit of the show. i feel like -- >> that's weird. >> seth: well, i don't think that's what -- i sound like -- i know that's not what helen mirren sounds like. do you -- >> fred: that's what the transcript said. [ light laughter ] >> seth: do you use different voices for different guests? >> no. it's pretty much -- 'cause we just want to keep it, you know -- no. [ laughter ] >> seth: can i -- >> i know what you mean. like, sometimes we do -- we do other languages. >> seth: oh, other than english? >> yeah, like for australia. [ laughter ] so australians can understand. >> seth: so you dub it into australian? >> yes. [ laughter ] >> seth: all right. yeah, well let's see what that looks like.

[ heavy australian accents ] >> fred: i know, i know what you mean. >> yeah, there you are. >> fred: i'm like -- i got my -- >> listen to me, i'm the host -- >> fred: all right. i know you are. >> you've been playing basketball over there. >> fred: all the time, yeah. [ laughter ] >> that's a nice sweater. >> fred: i got it on sale. >> you are gonna -- >> fred: good mate, you know. the boomerang. >> yeah, yeah. >> fred: i don't know. i don't know what you mean. >> you know, i play soccer. >> fred: i would point at you. i would point at your jacket and point at your card you got there. [ laughter ] oh! i don't believe it! >> seth: all right, that one was better. that was better. [ cheers and applause ] thank you so much for doing that, guys. thank you. thank you so much. [ cheers and applause ] >> yeah i can't believe you never heard of that. >> seth: i'm very happy with how that turned out. we'll be right back with more from kristen wiig right after

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[ cheers and applause ] >> seth: welcome back to "late night." we're here with kristen wiig. i want to ta lk about the movie. i sa diw it at its new york premier, it is fantastic. >> thank you. >> seth: you're wonderful in it. it's a bit of a different part for you, it's is a very serious movie, based on a novel by the same name. you play sort of a boozy mom. temell us a little bit about her. >> i thought you were going to make a joke about how that wasn't a stretch. just kidding.

yeah, our friend, mari heller adopted the screen play and directed it. she did such an amazing job. its such a beautiful film. yeah, it's based on a true story. this teenager in the '70s who basically has an affair with her mom's boyfriend, which everyone should do. [ laughter ] that's the moral of the movie. [ laughter ] no, it's just a really beautiful coming of age, i don't how to describe it. >> seth: it's a really interesting movie to me because of the actress, is it bel powley? >> bel powley. e is unbelievable in this movie. >> seth: she's fantastic. >> like, i relish, yeah. >> seth: he could be playing -- she's obviously a teenager who's trying so much harder to be older and you seem to be a mother trying so much harder to be younger. >> yeah. >> seth: in fact, maybe you realize how that relationship is not a great mother-daughter relationship. >> yeah, she's sort of jealous of her youth a little bit. yeah, she's trying to stay young. which i don't understand. [ laughter ] >> seth: you're doing self work?

>> you don't need plassic surgery, you just walk around and do this all day. [ laughter ] >> seth: another obviously very serious film, because it deals th the dead and them coming back to haunt, "ghostbusters." >> yes. >> seth: everybody's so excited about this. >> and i'm, yes. >> seth: so, it is you, it's melissa mccartly, it's kate mckinnon, it's leslie jones. >> yes. >> seth: all female ghostbusters. >> yeah. >> seth: has it been fun to shoot so far? >> it's been. we're having the best time. >> seth: and it's the same director as "bridesmaids." >> yes. paul feig, yeah. >> seth: which i his very exciting as well. >> yeah. he's amazing. [ cheers ] yeah. a lot of the same crew, bob yeoman, same d.p. it's been like a big, sort of, family reunion. >> seth: you also have a film coming out, you worked with ridley scott, which is very exhaciting. >> yeah. >> tell us about this film. >> it is alled "the martian." >> seth: do you pl y the martian? >> i don't. >> seth: oh, i'm sorry. [ laughter ] >> i got really excited when i he tar about it because i thouget i was going to be the martian. [ laughter ] no, i play, like a nasa publicist.

that's another sort of serious role, which i'm really ahraid -- >> seth: a nasa publicist sounds like a sketch character. [ laughter ] hi, i represent nasa. >> hi, listen. these rockets look bad. [ laughter ] no, but woit's a -- >> seth: mars? we can't possibly make it to mars. mercury. >> it's too hot. can i get hair and make-up there? that one didn't land, did it? laughter ] i didn't feel strong about that one when i said it. >> seth: oh, tha yt'ous all ght. >> that's okay. yepeah, i'm really excited about it. i haven't seen it yet. matt damon, he's the actor. >> seth: right. [ laughter ] what was he he in? oh, my god. that one movie. >> that one movie he was in. >> seth: that one. can't think of one matt damon movie. oh my god. anyway, i'm sure he'll be -- it'll be a big one. >> yeah, i'm very excited to see it. >> seth: well that's great, i'm excited about all of this stuff. >> thank you. >> seth: congratulations on the film. it's so wonderful. >> thank you, it's a really good movie. >> seth: and to do the v.o. on our show. thank you so much. >> yeah. i'm going to stop doing it. >> seth: oh, you are? [ laughter ] >> i think so. it is just so time consuming.

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[ cheers and applause ] >> seth: our next guest recently received his first emmy nomination for outstanding supporting actor in a comedy series, for his work on the netflix series, "unbreakable kimmy schmidt." season one is currently streaming, let's take a look. >> so, what do you want to do tonight? >> honestly, listen to diana ross albums alone while i do my stretches to alleviate my gas. >> we should go out to celebrate. i mean, i got a job today. i rot an apartment. i met you. >> i envy you. i've never been able to meet me. >> come on. we should go dancing some place cool like club bombay from "moesha." >> things are behind in indiana. >> i'll pay for everything. i'm going now i'm going >> seth: please welcome to the show tituss burgess. [ cheers and applause ]

>> seth: how are you? >> i'm wonderful. >>nc seth: it's so wonderful to have you here. i'm such a huge fan of your work on the show. congratulations on the emmy nomination. so well deserved. >> thank you, man, i appreciate it. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: now you had appeared on "30 rock" in different characters so you knew tina, you knew robert carlock. you have such a great cast on this show. ellie kemper, jon hamm. did you bond with this group did you bond with this group imme chdiately? >> no, we actually hated each other.ia>> seth: okay, that's good. [ laughter ] you definitely covered it up. >> yeah, i'm surpr ied i'm working in it. it was wonderful. we had a lovely time. >> seth: you and ellie are so wonderful together. did you -- had you met her before? >> i had not met ellie et, until the final day of the call back. we got to the first day of shooting and we were sitting together. she was like, let's take a picture. i was like, oh, i hate pictures. and so, she takes out -- i take out my phone and she sits on my lap and the picture didn't come out so great.

she got into this giggle fit and she actually peed on my leg a little bit. >> seth: oh, really? [ laughter ] >> it's true. [ laughter ] >> seth: that's like an acting exercise, i guess. [ laughter ] >> no, i made sure i got her some depends in case that happened. >> seth: that's good, yeah. [ laughter ] i want to ask you about this. because you are a stage actor as well, and you did some work. and you were in "the little mermaid." >> i was. i originated the role of sebastian the crab. >> seth: sebastian the crab, and here you are. [ cheers and applause ] fantastic. now, obviously children who come to see a show like this, have only seen the film, did they go crazy when they see you? >> well, once we work out the kinks. when we were in previews it was a bit of a nightmare, because i was supposed to come out of the orchestra pit with a baton and i'm rising up on this elevator. and for whatever reason the damn thing just did not work for a very long time. so this is huge black man in

this crab costume climbing over. [ laughter ] children were like, horrified. [ laughter ] parents were like, running to get a refund. so we were off to a great start here, aren't we? >> seth: i was very, i of course, have had tina fey as a boss in the past. you have tina fey as a boss. >> yeah. >> seth: she's a wonderful boss. and i heard you coined an expression, that based on everything i know about tina, she would love this expression, which is "i overstand." >> this is true. >> seth: so explain the expression, "i overstand." >> okay, well i feel like, well i hate wasting time. >> seth: right. >> and i hate for people to waste my time. you're not wasting my time, right now, in case you were worried. >> seth: thank you. [ laughter ] >> so, i tell them, when they're giving me information, i go, i overstand. in that first sentence i got the surplus of information that you were trying to say. no need for you to go on and on. [ laughter ] and repeating the same thing i got it the first time. [ laughter ] i overstand, she loves it. some people don't like it. some people think it's a little jarring. >> seth: i think a lot of people

do it when they feel like they have information to give they wa.nt to make it, turn it into a monologue from "hamlet." >> yeah, you must like to listen to yourself. i got it the first time around. we can keep moving. >> seth: now you and tina, you recently flew private with tina. >> yes. >> seth: how was that? that was your first experience. >> yeah, i've never flown on a private jet. it was so fancy. i didn't realize that you could just, sort of, have whatever you want. >> seth: yeah. [ laughter ] >> so i ordered everything. [ laughter ] and i remember we were flying out of, i think, burbank and there's this residential zoning law thing. >> seth: yes, weird. >> it's so strange. they complain about the noise. i'm like, well you knew you were moving into the back part of aiv airport. >> seth: sure. >> why would you complain? whatever. so they won. and instead of the plane going off at an even little glide there, you literally have to do 180 degrees like, up into the sky. so you know, [ bleep ] was flying everywhere. [ laughter ] steak zooming past my face. champagne, i caught that

champagne bottle, though. [ laughter ] i'll go on record. so, it was like an experience. >> seth: yeah, still on a private plane, whether you're at 180 or 90. >> yeah, exactly. >> seth: and now -- the reason i knew about this was you posted a video of you and jane and tina jankskowski and tina fey singing. tell me how this came about. >> well, we had just had lunch. and tina had just finished writing. so we started watching beyonce clips. >> seth: as you do. >> as you do, when you're on a private jet. and i -- tina knows the words to like everything. >> seth: mm-hmm, yeah. >> and said, how do you have the time to do it? >> she's like, "oh, you know, i'm always at the gym or whatever. i just memorize songs." [ laughter ] so we started listening or watching the video for, i think it was "flawless." and tina is not on social media. she actually said to me, i said, "why aren't you on twitter?" she goes, "why would i give my jokes away for free?" [ laughter ] makes so much sense. >> seth: that part really does. >> because she's tina fey.

[ laughter and applause ] so, i was like, "well, i'm on social media and i with love to do a little video with you and jane." so, they got all dolled up and we did a little -- >> seth: okay, this is for those who haven't seen it, because, i know it became very popular online. >> i know, i didn't expect it to become so popular. >> seth: here is "flawless" on a plane. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: she knows it all. >> that was taken just as soon as i finished that bottle of champagne. >> seth: there you go. [ laughter ] well, thank you so much. congratulations on everything. >> thank you, man. [ cheers and applause ] it's so wonderful to meet you, and have you on the show. give it up for tituss burgess, everybody. check out, "unbreakable kimmy schmidt" now streaming on netflix. we'll be right back with david simon.

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[ cheers and applause ] >> seth: welcome back, everybody. our next guest is an emmy award winning writer, best selling author and journalist, who created such critically acclaimed shows as "the wire" and "treme." his latest is a six episode mini series called "show me a hero," which premiers sunday night on hbo. let's take a look. [ booing ] >> you coward. >> no. >> no. >> longo. >> no. >> councilmember fagan. >> no. >> councilmember -- >> no. >> councilmember osmond. >> abstain. [ cheers ]

>> this is a major fail. >> seth: please welcome to the show, david simon. [ cheers and applause ] [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: i'm so happy you're here. i'm such a fan. >> i'm delighted. >> seth: the show is great. i watched the first three episodes. it's really wonderful. i wanted to ask you -- you've always used real world issues, and then approach them using fiction to tell the story. this one, this is a real story, real characters. they're actually real live people. how does that change your approach when you write that way? >> it locks you in. you know, you can't make stuff up. in fact, we had a film -- we had a screening up in yonkers last night and some of the real people were sitting in the audience and thinking about the stuff that's in there where maybe the actress took a little license or the director liked a certain phrase that wasn't in the record and you're wincing. you're thinking, oh, my god.

>> seth: did you get to engage with any of them afterwards? did people come up? >> yeah, yeah a few did. and there is that pregnant moment, in fact one there's line when winona ryder, who plays one of the councilmen, she added a line that she got from somebody. i don't know if can i say it here, but she basically wished on a political opponent that he would get -- ass cancer. >> seth: okay, there you go. you can you say that, that's totally fine, yeah. >> thank you. thank you. i work for hbo. i think it is in my contract, i have to. >> seth: exactly. >> but the guy she said that of, the real guy, the former councilman, he was four rows back. and i couldn't take it any more. i knew that line was coming. i went for the parking lot. >> seth: yeah. >> but then he came out and he was like, no, it's all good. all good. >> seth: oh, that's good. so it is about this sort of -- the city of yonkers, this housing desegregation case, '80s and '90s. what made you -- what i like

about it is it very much relates to everything going on now. is that what drew it to you? the modern sort of parallels? >> well, i'll be honest, we auctioned that book 14 years ago. >> seth: wow. >> the fight is from the late '80s, early '90s, but the same fight happens everywhere america at the moment you're gonna start to break any of the hyper segregation with which we've organized our society. at any moment where you're going to do the slightest amount of crossing that racial line, and this was about 200 units of low income housing in a city of 200,000. and they were scattered sight. nobody was going to put up cabrini green or you know, the robert taylor homes. this was five units here, ten units over here, 20 units here. nothing to change any neighborhood, but still yonkers went crazy. and you think they would have learned, that the option to book 14 years ago. okay now it's dead, the issue is dead. right now, two towns up the hudson, terrytown, same fight, same rhetoric, same fears. it is still going on. >> seth: what i found

fascinating about it is when it comes to social change it will always require sacrifice of the population. and you do, i think, a very fair job of showing it from everyone's perspective. there aren't -- there are obviously people that you like more than other people. there aren't pure villains. >> no. >> seth: and do you think that's ultimately the biggest hurdle to social change isn't the politicians, but that it's that when it comes time for people to make the choice they don't want to make any sacrifice. >> i think that -- in some sense, i think the problem in some sense is us, you know, is that our own latent fears can be utilized so quickly in politics. i think politics right now is running on two things, money and those are terrible currencies for policy. that seems to be what works in politics is money and fear and both things are in play in yonkers. >> seth: now, oscar isaccs, who plays the mayor, fantastic in this. are you surprised you got the future star of a "star wars" movie franchise -- >> yes. >> seth: --in your mini series

about public housing? [ laughter ] >> we were coming off llewyn davis and i thought well, folk singer llewyn davis got very well received, it would be nice to go get him. and then it was, like, you know, "star wars," "x-men," which came out as a great movie -- >> seth: fantastic film. >> i think if i had called him and showed him the script 15 minutes later, it would have been -- >> seth: but now this is such a boom for "star wars," because kids are gonna say, "mom, dad, i want to see the movie from the housing project guy." [ laughter ] >> if you can make public housing palatable for a mass audience, then i think with an x-wing fighter, he can -- he can do some business. >> seth: well and if you ever do a sequel to this or remake it, i'd add an x-wing fighter, that could be a whole different show. >> that's too good for me. that's too much of an audience. >> seth: i want to talk to you more, we'll be right back with more from david simon. [ cheers and applause ]

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[ cheers and applause ] >> seth: for more with david simon, head over to latenightseth.com. my thanks to kristen wiig, tituss burgess, david simon. and of course the 8g band. stay tuned for carson daly. we'll see you tomorrow. [ cheers and applause ]

>> carson: what's happening, everybody? i'm carson daly here to guide you through another fine night of "last all." i hope you're well. we're at the skyroom for the show, and here's what we got for you. the music is young rising sons. we'll do that from the troubadour. and our spotlight tonight is juliano ribeiro salgado and his oscar-nominated doc, "the salt of the earth." but first, jesse metcalfe became a household name thanks to his work on shows like "desperate housewives", of course, and others. now, you can catch him in the zombie horror flick, "dead rising: watchtower." let's head over to butchers & barbers for more. >> you want to see the poster? >> hell, yeah. >> all right. here it is. this right here is the reason why i wanted to be a part of this project, this badass

poster. where, actually, somebody on social media sent me a message saying, "it looks like you're smelling a dirty diaper." and i responded to her and i said, "that's what it looks like when you are tearing through a zombie hoard with a sledge saw, getting splattered with blood and guts. that's the face that you make. and also, the face you make when you're changing a dirty diaper." so, there you go. hey, i'm jesse metcalfe and i play chase carter in "dead rising: watchtower." >> this is a serious situation. but there's no need to panic. >> you're basically [ bleep ]. >> that's great. what advice do you have? >> remember to build weapons. lots of weapons. >> ha! >> it's a live-action movie based on a video game, you know? so, we want to bring that experience to life and create a lot of, you know, special moments where they feel that the movie very much has a kinship with the game.