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since november's islamic extremist attacks. security is still high in paris with armed gunmen on the streets and at sites like the famous eiffel tower. for the french, that one horrific night became their 9/11. and like many americans, life may never be the same. scott thuman found the french are discovering a new result and patriotism. -- resuolve and patriotism. scott: paris, november 13, 2015, the sounds of a city under siege. terror groups, targeting parisians at random -- a crowded theater, packed cafes and restaurants, a major soccer match. 130 dead, nearly 400 injured. and a nation that once survived the occupation of armies was now under attack by a new enemy, in this case, one that didn't wear uniforms and promises to strike again. >> this is paris and i'm an american. scott: the romance of paris isn't just a product of hollywood, it's inherent in the city's iconic monuments and picturesque cafes -- captured in the phrase "joie de vivre," the joy of life.
shattered glass still sends an ominous message -- that the bullets pierced both lives and the way of living here. -- the way of life. at the carillon cafe, the site of the first shooting, patrons now sit with a careful eye, always alert as to what's around them. >> the big thing now is that they are shooting people in the streets randomly. scott: luc morah owns this downtown restaurant. >> there was basically nobody anymore in the restaurants, so we had, in the initial days after, we had something like two, between two and six people in an evening to have dinner, so it was really empty. scott: two and six people, just for dinner? >> yes. scott: it has rebounded a bit, but to say it's back to what it was prior to the attacks would mean more than just filling seats. it would mean a level of comfort
plenty of physical reminders of what happened -- the bullet holes, the barricades, the fresh bouquets of flowers, but it's what you don't see -- that invisible anxiety -- that folks here say has the most impact. what might happen the next day, what might be just around the next corner, and that is why the french are now admitting they have to live with what they call, "the new normal." this is the manager of the grand hotel. >> because it's like every day you open your tv and they tell you maybe you're going to die today, maybe you're going to die today, and that's terrible, and i think the best thing is not to know. scott: in some respects, they did know something else was going to happen after the publishers of the satirical paper "charlie hebdo" were targeted in a deadly attack just 10 months before. >> we knew that "charlie hebdo" was a target, so at least there was an explanation. it was a big shock, but with an explanation. there it's another story. it's just people going out into the streets and shooting everybody. it's pure bad luck if you are there. scott: the recoil is hard to ignore, especially among tourists, who now stroll by
hardware on their way to france's most famous sights. >> you see police with all the guns and it's kind of scary. >> i kind of expected it, knowing what had happened, but it's quite confronting just seeing it. not used to it. >> i was thinking not to come to paris for that reason, i was thinking, i think it's better to jump country that and continue our travels to germany. scott: if it sounds familiar to us, one political analyst says it should. >> in terms of state of mind as a population, we are just like the american population just after 9/11. in fact, that's what we have and what i mean by that is we are in a state of pure and simple psychosis, we are in a state of global psychosis. scott: just as all of america revived a sense of pride in old
feeling it, too. a 600-year-old motto made a comeback here, "fluctuat nec mergitur" -- tossed, but not sunk, like a ship battered in rough seas. >> the machine right here, which is printing flags, was working all night and all day and during all the week. scott: enzo quoniam says the run on this country's tri-colors was unprecented. enzo: people feel more comfortable because, before the events, it was associated with extreme movements, political movements, and it was bad seen having a french flag in our house. showing a flag is now an act of going against the terrorists. denise: i think it was probably the same way i remember going to new york about a year later and i felt that everyone had come
in france, this is, i feel this, too -- i feel that a lot of the french are coming together. scott: denise pruvost is an america living in paris who, with her family, runs a dental practice. denise: my neighbors were all talking to me. people were talking. in paris, that doesn't happen. scott: so there was a sense of community that didn't exist before? denise: a strong sense of community. scott: but to say that somehow this surge in solidarity is seen as a fix would be decieving >> we have to learn to live with the terrorism. i think the old generation, they did not know terrorists. our generation of the 21st century, we have to learn living with the terrorists. >> at the moment, we cannot have any proof that the problem is solved and i think it's not solved anyway. so it might happen again. it might happen again in france, but you know it may happen in other countries, too, in europe or even in the u.s. scott: which has produced another sobering similiarity to the post-9/11 united states. >> just like in the united states after 9/11, we have a big problem of the growing hatred against the muslim population.
became -- all of them -- anti-muslim, anti-arab population, but some of them, some of them began to feel very strong hatred against that part of the population. we have the same problem. scott: you're seeing that here now in france? clearly. scott: and while such reaction would have been expected among some nations, in france, this type of talk has long been >> if i wanted to make a sarcastic joke, i would say that racism is the new black, basically. basic racist tendencies and something like 20 or 15 years ago saying that, you would have been sacked from the government just the very same day. today, you become prime minister. scott: harsher laws similar to the patriot act, stricter border checks, and the ubiquitous show of weaponry, proof that this is a new paris.
eyes and the glares from behind plate glass by now leery parisians make many wonder if this city will ever return to its storybook setting. >> i think it will return to normal but it will take time. scott: but paris is probably always going to be a target? >> probably, probably. scott: and the attacks in paris may have just been a dress rehearsal. according to french media reports quoting intelligence officials, 2015 was nothing and the terrorists are moving toward a european 9/11, with attacks on the same day in different scott:according to french media reports quoting intelligence what are they going to do about it? sharyl: people say they are not despite the recent attacks, there were no firings or resignations in the french intelligence sources and that is why there is now a lack of confidence. sharyl: really interesting. thanks so much, scott thuman. ahead on "full measure" -- with new hampshire behind and south carolina ahead, the political campaigns head into a whole new phase.
karl rove and democrat jim messina, appeared together and gave their views on what's different about the 2016 race. karl: on the ides of march, it was a bad day for caesar and it is going to be a pretty bad day for candidates. sharyl: karl rove was architect of the two successful presidential campaigns of george w. bush. his super pac, american crossroads, hasn't formally committed to a republican this election, but rove has been a strong jeb bush supporter. jim messina is the yin to rove's yang. jim: president obama said to me in the 2012 presidential race, "a presidential campaign is an x-ray of your soul." sharyl: messina led barack obama to two successful presidential victories and heads the super pac priorities usa action, which supports hillary clinton. together, the two represent tens of millions of super pac fundraising dollars from individuals, special interests, and corporations. the money is used to support their candidate and attack their opponents. before a recent town hall
down to talk politics and money. first, the influence of social media on the 2016 presidential campaign. jim: you've seen an absolute explosion in social media and the way it's changed campaigns. you know, i just ran a campaign for the prime minister of the united kingdom. we won a surprising majority and our research showed at the end social media was 7 times more effective than traditional direct mail, television, anything else. and it goes to one theory -- and karl and i are both seeing this in the presidential races, as well -- people are getting so much information, so much news -- you guys are covering these campaigns ubiquitously that people start to look at their friends and family to help them figure out what to do in these sorts of decisions. president obama, in 2012, became the first incumbent president to win a majority of the undecided voters in the final two days since nixon in 1972. when you ask people why, why they moved to obama in the final two days, 86% of them said
talked to me about the campaign and we did most of that on social media. snapchat is now number one with young americans. snapchat didn't exist during the 2012 obama campaign. and it's now number one. and so i think what you'll continue to see is the platforms will continue to change. but what won't change is people getting involved with leaders they can believe in. and the campaigns who are able to consolidate that and have a message and a vision for this country will do really well on social media. and the ones who aren't and don't won't. karl: these are tools that are most successfully used in combination with other things. it's an avenue, it's not in end of itself, it's a means to a goal. and that goal is to return to 1844, when a young lawyer in sagama county, illinois wrote a letter to his campaign committee and said, "make a perfect list of voters, have the undecided talked to by someone held in confidence, and on election day, make sure that every whig is brought to the polls." abraham lincoln was pretty good
a president, and the important point was "have the undecideds talked to by someone they hold in confidence," which is what social media allows us to do in a powerfully broad fashion. jim: facebook would have saved [laughter] karl: though i'm not sure he had [laughter] sharyl: rove and messina also addressed the delegates game. some states are winner-takes-all. but under this year's republican party rules, more states are splitting delegates proportionally, which could make for a late decision on the nominee. karl: we have a lot more states that are gonna award their delegates proportionally and this means the contest is, in my opinion -- we're gonna go longer, probably all the way to the convention.
the convention we go back to the old style of we have 7 candidates all nominated, backroom deals are made, and after the first or second ballot, they all drop out. i think we're going to the convention with somebody who has -- who's on the edge of a majority and clearly the frontrunner and i think there will be consolidation behind it. but we may go, the first time since 1948, more than one ballot. jim: i think that could help the the old style of we have 7 candidates all nominated, backroom deals are made, and after the first or second ballot, they all drop out. i think we're going to the republicans potentially. in 2008, there was lots of party elders talking about how bad it was that obama and clinton went to the very end and how difficult it could be for our general election chances. and the truth is the opposite was true. we ended up campaigning in all 50 states in the primary. we built organization, we figured out who the good volutneers are, we built better data. we went into the general against mccain in a much stronger position, so i think karl's right. karl: we're going to go through so many twists and turns and gyrations that it's gonna make us all dizzy by the time we get to the ides of march. [applause] sharyl: and what about the trump factor? rove says trump's second place finish in iowa was telling. karl: he thought the rules didn't apply to him. so he dissed the last debate. he was bigger than that. he did not build a ground game in iowa. jim: i've said publicly it would
republcians would nominate donald trump. i'll do whatever i can to help. that would be true of ted cruz, too. have at it. unfortunately, god does not like me enough to give us donald trump and i think he'll continue to sink in the polls, but one thing we've seen so far is unpredictability and all of us, both of us would've thought he would have been gone by now. sharyl: when asked if a candidate can get elected without the backing of a super pac, both men said, no. rove and messina appeared at a town hall debate that i moderated in sarasota, florida to benefit the ringling college library association. still ahead on "full measure" -- president obama delivers his last budget to congress. he may be a lame duck trying to lay a fiscal legacy. we "follow the money" and dig
arrival. we "follow the money" to see why. pres. obama: these are proposals reflected in the budget that work for us and not against us. it adheres to last year's bipartisan budget agreement, it drives down the deficit, it includes smart savings on healthcare, immigration, and tax reform. sharyl: even with the president's "smart savings," his final spending plan would drive up the debt from the current $19 trillion to $27.4 trillion over the next decade. that's according to the office of management and budget. with his proposal, president obama will leave office having never proposed a budget that balances. some of the new spending in the record $4.1 trillion plan includes -- $7.5 billion for the pentagon to
$1.8 billion to fight the mosquito-spread zika virus, $12.2 billion for food aid programs, and $4 billion to expand computer science programs in schools. but the republican-controlled congress has already made it clear it's not planning to write a check to cover the president's spending plan. house speaker paul ryan labeled it "a progressive manual for growing the federal government." speaker ryan: the way we hold the obama administration accountable is controlling their budget. and that's why having the power appropriations process serves that goal. we'll figure this out. sharyl: on the income side, the budget calls for eliminating tax breaks for the wealthy, imposing new fees on the largest banks , and a $10 a barrel tax on crude oil. increase taxes by $2.6 trillion over the coming decade, even as the u.s. owes, as counted in the u.s. national debt clock website. it also drives up the federal deficit, how much more the u.s.
of aircraft carrier, which goes into service this spring. and the dramatic launch of the new uss sioux city two weeks ago. both claim to have the latest technology for the navy's global presence of late in the strait of hormuz in the mideast and increasingly in the south china sea. but we noticed one thing that hasn't changed for a half century -- ships go to sea painted battleship grey. so we asked a few questions and met one man who introduced us to some ships of a different color. jim: as a young boy, i had a poster from world war one that hung in my bedroom and it showed a destroyer coming to the rescue of a merchant ship and the destroyer was painted orange and blue and all kinds of different colors and i thought, "this is so ridiculous -- they would never paint ships like that." sharyl: but that's exactly what they did. jim bruns is the director of the national museum of the u.s. navy
he tells the story of the art of war. in order to evade the german u-boats, the u.s. and british navies took a page out of the sketch pads of picasso and the cubists, hiding their ships in plain sight -- with paint. jim: you can't disguise a ship on the high seas, it's impossible to disguise it. you see it on the horizon, it's giving off smoke, they are burning coal. you can't disguise them, you can't literally camouflage them, but what you can do is distort cubists, hiding their ships in plain sight -- with paint. them and that's what the art and science of razzle dazzle is all about, tricking the eye. sharyl: the brits called it "dazzle," the americans "razzle dazzle." on both sides of the atlantic, the two navies transformed thousands of ships into floating works of art. like the rms olympic, a british luxury liner converted into a troop ship to transport americans to the front lines.
curve shape, which makes it look like it is a wave. its stacks are painted so that the portion that would be greatest in the sun is now painted in black. mahomet. jim: by using vivid patterns and vivid colors, you break the image to the point where you don't know whether you are looking at the back, looking at the front, or how big the actual object is because it is totally distorted to you. sharyl: the "razzle dazzled" one observer at the time called them "a flock of sea-going easter eggs." jim: artistically, to me, they are phenomenally beautiful. phosphorescent greens, vivid oranges, bright yellows, purple, red, fire engine red. it is almost like psychedelic art. in the early 1900s. i would love to see this ship in honest-to-god color. it's so dramatic. at a critical time for the war
sinking as fast as its ships, with german u-boats torpedoing one out of every four vessels crossing the atlantic. jim: this is a world war ii era periscope, but you're basically limited to a viewing portal that's this big. sharyl: facing zig zags and distorting colors, the u-boat captains struggled to target their torpedoes. jim: we know, even from german statements, that it was hard to plan an attack on a razzle dazzled vessel, because you didn't know where the front was, you weren't sure where the back was, you weren't sure what angle it was sailing at, you weren't sure of its speed. sharyl: america escorted 18,000 vessels back and forth supporting the war effort. >> we have just begun the fight. that is the slogan of the navy of today. vessel in convoy and that was in part due to "razzle dazzle." sharyl: the national museum of the u.s. navy is open to the
middle of the navy yard in washington dc, which is an active military installation, so there is an extra layer of security to go through. there are plans to relocate it to a more public place. next week on "full measure" -- we'll have results of a shocking investigation into the cost of medical services and how they vary wildly from place to place, even sometimes within the same city. the difference can be thousands or even ten thousand dollars for the exact same procedure. with more patients paying out of pocket, we'll show you why it makes sense to shop around, but also reveal how difficult that can be. that's it for this week. i'm sharyl attkisson. until next time, we'll be searching for more stories that