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good morning. it's thursday, april12, 2012. welcome to studio 57 at the cbs broadcast center. i'm charlie rose. george zimmerman heads to court accused of murdering in the shooting of trayvon martin. we'll talk to martin's parents and zimmerman's lawyers. john miller investigating a whistle-blower's charge that a company used illegal foreign workers to take jobs away from american. i'm erica hill. when you think titanic you probably think james cameron. we'll speak with the director about the 100th anniversary about the tragedy of that ship and his trip to the bottom of the ocean. we begin with today's "eye opener" your world in 90 seconds.
>> we filed an information charging george zimmerman with murder mt second degree. >> trayvon martin shooter to face charges today. >> we just wanted an arrest, and we got it. and i say thank you. >> george zimmerman was transferred to a county jail in sanford, florida. >> he's concerned about getting a fair trial. >> when all of the system exonerates my brother, we are confident the truth will come out. >> 92.3% of all the jobs lost during the obama years have been lost by women. >> guess what? his wife has actually never worked a day in her life. he doesn't see us as equal. >> north korea says it's fueling that long-range rocket. the launch could come within hours, we're told. >> jury selection begins in the trial of john edwards. he's charged with federal campaign finance violations that could send him to prison for 30 years. >> there he goes. looks like they're shooting that the guy as he's running. i'm sorry, i'm just -- i'm kind
of in shock. >> he actually thought the house exploded. i was like, no, a bus is in the house. >> all that -- >> oh, my god, that's the funniest -- >> i wish we could compete against each other right now. >> you could go out and buy a baseball team. >> caught it with his catch. >> sir, you're in the game. >> do you over hold over the president the fact you're more popular than he is? >> i might try that when i get hem. >> a $500 campaign check of your bounced. >> like m.c. hammer, bro, manage your money. >> like m.c. hammer, bro, manage your money. this is insane. captioning funded by cbs welcome to "cbs this morning." national uproar has been growing for weeks since a neighborhood wash man shot to death a teenager in sanford, florida.
>> george zimmerman was charged with second-degree murder on wednesday in the death of 17-year-old trayvon martin. jeff glor is in sanford with the latest. jeff, good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you. george zimmerman spent the night here at the seminole county jail in advance of his first court appearance at 1:30 this afternoon. >> today we filed an information charging george zimmerman with murder in the second degree. >> reporter: special prosecutor angela corey charged george zimmerman 20 days after her office took over the case, 45 days after trayvon martin was shot and killed. >> let me emphasize that we don't prosecute by public pressure or by petition. they prosecute based on the facts of any given case as well as the laws of the state of florida. >> mr. zimmerman turned himself in -- >> reporter: martin's parents were watching in washington. >> we just wanted an arrest and we got it. and i say thank you. thank you, lord.
l thank you, jesus. >> reporter: a caravan of suchlt uvs escorted zimmerman to a jail in sanford. shielded by a jacket, he ducked inside. his mug shot provides the clearest and most immediate picture of a man who's been in deep hiding. zimmerman's new lawyer, mark o'mara. >> he's troubled by everything that's happened. and i cannot imagine living in george zimmerman's shoes for the past number of weeks. >> reporter: if convicted, zimmerman could face life in prison. his brother says the family is devastated. >> our brother literally had to save his life by taking a life. and that's no situation that anybody wants to ever be in. >> reporter: both families have miles to go before this case is over. as a fractured community works to heal. >> it's a total relief now. total relief. very satisfied. >> reporter: the defense will plead not guilty this afternoon, citing florida's stand your
ground law. we did ask prosecutors about that law at this news conference yesterday. they acknowledged it does make their job more difficult. but they say they have won convictions before. >> jeff glor, thanks. with us from washington, trayvon martin's parents, tracy martin and sybrina fulton along with their attorney, benjamin crump. good morning. >> good morning. >> obviously, this is something you've wanted to hear for a long time. now that you've heard it, the personal prosecutor has spoken, what is your reaction and what do you want us to understand about your feelings? >> we are -- we are, you know overwhelmed that he was arrested because this is what we've been fighting for for 44 days and we were just excited to hear that he was arrested. >> tracy, you woke up this morning and for the first time we all know george zimmerman
spent the night in jail. what were your thoughts as you woke up this morning, tracy martin? >> i felt a little at ease knowing he had been apprehended, he had turned himself in. and knowing that he wouldn't be able to possess a firearm after being arrested anymore, knowing that he wouldn't be able to take another 17-year-old's life. >> ms. corey was very clear the charge was not as a result of public pressure but as a result of evidence. do you believe that in do you believe public interest did play a role? >> i think public interest played a role as far as them looking at the evidence thoroughly and for it to get to that level, i think it did, because it was at the local level with the sanford police department and with the state of florida. i really believe by all the
pressure put on her, that she took a thorough look and it made them look twice. >> you know what i think is interesting in this case, when we first heard the name trayvon martin, for many people it was perceived as an issue of black and white. now, when i move around on the streets, i have many people coming up to me saying it's an issue of right and wrong. what is the message you all want to send to the public? as you know, there are two sides to every story. zimmerm zimmerman's attorney indicates he plans to plead not guilty. his brother was on cnn last night. there are two sides to this story. what is the message you want people to know? >> we just want people to know that if you shoot someone that is unarmed, that you should be arrested. the evidence can play out once you get to court, but you should be arrested. this was a minor, this was not another adult. and my son was unarmed. >> mr. crump, these charges as laid out by the special prosecutor, the charges you expected and wanted to see?
>> it was -- we didn't know what the charges were. angela corey's office told us they were going to look at the evidence fairly and impartially. we knew from day one there was enough evidence to arrest him. the only question in our mind was, what was the charges going to be? the fact she charged second-degree murder was telling because that meant her and her experienced team of attorneys looked at this evidence and they said they had what they believed enough to get a convictions on second-degree murder. that speaks volumes. because we've said all along that trayvon was simply trying to go home, charlie. and for him to stalk him, that's not g just not right. that plays into the elements he was charged with. >> there is the question of what happens if george zimmerman is not, in fact, convicted of second degree murder. have you thought about that
possibility? >> i really haven't thought -- put much thought into it. we were just basically focused on getting an arrest. now we have to turn our attention to trying to get him to stay where he's at. >> only two people really know what happened that night. only george zimmerman is alive to tell the story. do you all believe we'll truly know what happened that night? >> the evidence seems to suggest -- there's a lot of objective evidence. there's 911 tapes. the video shows what his condition was 35 minutes after, so there's a lot of objective evidence, but you're right, trayvon is gone and he can never tell us what happened that night from his perspective. >> all right. sybrina, i want to close you with, because as a mom, i want
to know what you miss most about your son. >> i miss his smile and i miss him kissing me. >> yeah. i can totally understand that. thank you. thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. george zimmerman's attorney is with us from orlando. good morning. >> good morning, sir. how are you? >> what your response to these charges filed by the special prosecutor? >> she has seen the information and the discovery. i haven't yet. it's really hard for me to comment on why she did what she did. we'll wait until we find out the information. >> as we understand it, you met for an hour with your client george zimmerman last night. up until you took on this case you were a legal analyst, and you were weighing in on this case and as recently as tuesday you talked about the previous attorneys who were very public in why they stepped down from defending george zimmerman and you said their press conference could potentially hurt the case moving forward. are you concerned about that at this point? >> i donlt think it's going to have any lasting effect.
i was concerned there was some presentation of how things may have happened. in that that may be determined or believed to be mr. zimmerman's story. and that that could curtail things but i'm not too worried about it going forward. >> do you know what happened? >> no. i will not discuss that -- >> mr. zimmerman did not discuss with you what happened? >> i did not need to have that conversation with him. met with him last night. wanted to chat with him, find out how he was doing and give him an idea of what's coming up in the next couple of days, weeks, months. >> what did you tell him? . >> we'll have an appearance before the court at 1:30. hoping the judge will consider a bond motion. i hope to get him out. i need him out for my purposes for preparing his defense and it will be a tough and stressful time for him. >> is there risk of flight? >> i don't believe so.
you know, mr. zimmerman had been in touch with law enforcement during the period of time i was represented and he voluntarily came in, drove in, met with the officers. had a very good interaction with them. he's been in touch with them ongoing. so, no, i don't think he's risk of flight at all. >> so, you're saying he was actually in touch with law enforcement this entire time, over the last few weeks, even when there was a question of whether or not he was even in the state of florida? >> not discussioning the facts of the case at all but just keeping in touch with an agency who was trying to monitor him and make sure he was both safe pand they knew where he was. >> so they knew his wrction. how is he doing? how is he handling all of this and the charge of second-degree murder. >> well, being charged with any crime like this is stressful. he's frustrated. he's tired. he's stressed. so, we just need to sort of take
it one day at a time. >> frustrateded by what. >> i'm sorry, i couldn't hear you. >> he's frustrated. frustrated because he hasn't had a chance to tell his story? frustrated about what? >> well, he has been in, obviously, hiding for weeks and weeks and weeks without any true support, family, friends, being able to walk down the street. so, i think being in that situation for weeks on end has had their effects on him. >> what do you expect to be his defense? >> i have no idea. i truly haven't seep the first sheet of paper in the case. obviously, the issue of self-defense has been in the papers and in the media since day one, so i'm certain that's going to be one facet of what we present. but i just don't know the case well enough. >> mark o'mara, thank you for joining us this morning. >> sure thing. take care. in a very different high-profile case jury selection
begins today. this would be the for the criminal trial of john edwards. the former presidential candidate is accused of breaking campaign finance laws to hide an extra-martial affair. >> the trial is unprecedented and lawyers and say it's politically motivated. anna is at the courthouse in greens bore, north carolina. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. experts say the reason this case is so unusual is it's the first time that the department of justice is prosecuting someone, a former presidential candidate, involving a cover-up of his pregnant mist ris and the money used to hide her existence from his wife and the public. john edwards' affair took him from a popular presidential hopeful to a man facing criminal charges. who, if yikted, could wind up in jail. so, he's going into his trial fighting. pfinally get my day in court. >> last june a federal grand
jury indicted the former democratic senator for accept. accepting nearly $1 million and then use the money to hide his mistress in ravish occasions. the edwards' front and former campaign finance manager, fred baran, now reclusive 100-year-old rachel baran. >> the case is unusual because it's the first time the department of justice has prosecuted somebody on the allegation that they raise the and help spend some money to basically hide a mistress and a child. >> reporter: does the money qualify as campaign contributions as the government alleges or as edwards contends, as personal gifts? >> the issue is whether the -- the reason for that was to prevent personal embarrassment
and, perhaps, keep this information away from mrs. edwards, or whether this was all calculated, basically, to help him in his campaign. >> and baran says prosecutors must prove edwards knew using the money was improper under campaign finance laws. something that edwards at madamy denies. >> i did not break the law. and i never, ever thought i was breaking the law. >> reporter: now, the government's key witness is expected to be edwards' former campaign aide, andrew young. he's also the man who initially claimed to be the father of rielle hinter's baby, again, to protect his boss, john edwards. >> thank you very much. a powerful earthquake struck near mexico's pacific coast this morning. the 6.9 magazine tut was
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but you know what's more embarrassing? spending your last $500 to go up against mormon mitt romney in utah. >> very good timing by mr mr. stewart. james cameron is right here in studio 57. >> there he is, having a chat with rebecca jarvis. he's made 33 dives to the wreck of titanic. we'll find out what drives him to go back again and again. and we'll keep his take on the sale of titanic artifacts. more than one person says this is not appropriate. that's all ahead. stay with us. you're watching "cbs this morning." up next, your local news.
♪ welcome back to "cbs morning news." >> when the titanic set out on its only voyage 100 years ago this week, it was the largest moving object ever created by man. this sunday the anniversary of the disaster. the wreckage site on the ocean floor will go under u.n. protection. we'll speak with james cameron about that and much more. before that, ben tracy reports on controversial sale of thousands of items from the wreck. >> reporter: for an entire century the titanic has rested in its watery grave, more than two miles below the surface of the atlantic ocean. paul henry nargeolet has been to
the titanic six times. his company claimed the wreck in court in 1994. it owns the rights to all of the artifacts on and around the ship. the company has salvaged more than 5500 items, plates, passenger money, you'llry. they even razed a 1700-piece of the titanic itself. these artifacts are first cleaned and documented at a lab in atlanta. they are then put on display at exhibits like this one in las vegas. rms titanic plans to sell the entire collection in a winner takes all auction. it has been controversial since more than 1500 people died when the ship sank. there are those people, family members, who feel like there's a sea grave that should not be disturbed. what do you say to that? >> i would say, i understand that, but i think it's good to show to the public what was on the inside.
>> reporter: here in halifax, nova scotia, the connection to titanic is more personal. 209 bodies of the victims were recovered and brought back to this city. 150 buried in cemeteries like this one around town. each headstone shares the same infamous date. >> it is really what is the legacy found here in halifax that you will not find anywhere else in the world. >> reporter: blair beed says this maritime city on canada's eastern coast was the closest port to the wreck. halifax sent two boats to recover the dead. beed's grandfather worked at the funeral home where the bodies were identified, including jon jay cob aster smith, one of the wealthiest. >> when you look back at the headstone and see the four children lost with her. >> reporter: recovery ship also found pieces of the titanic floating in a water. a wooden deck chair, ornate wood moling from the ship's granted
these are on display at halifax maritime museum. pocean floor does not sit well for some here. >> i find it offensive. my aunt's great aunt's wedding dress is down there. >> reporter: rob gordon lost two relatives on the titanic. he feel the wreck should be left alone. >> it's a grave. theirs a lot of people down there. their personal possessions. and i just think it's wrong. to sift through them and then put a price tag on that stuff. >> reporter: however, what's left of the titanic is disappearing. eaten away by bacteria and time. >> the deterioration is coming from the back to the front. >> reporter: paul henry nargeolet worries the chance to salvage this massive piece of history is fading. rob gordon says whatever happened never will. >> the ship could change tomorrow. i don't think it changes the story, doesn't change the history and it dent change how i feel about it. >> for "cbs this morning," ben
tracy, halifax, notiva scotia. the titanic memorial cruise is just arriving in halifax. after topping there it will sail to the spot where the ship sank in 1912. james cameron may be the most to identify with titanic. he joins us in studio 57. >> great to be here. >> what is this fascination? do you understand it? is it part of who you are, this --. >> well, it is now. i feel very connected to the story now having dived 33 times to the wreck and explored the interior and so on. and i think titanic does tend to f to infect you the more you study. >> what do you most want to know that you don't know? >> i want to know what can't be known, really what happened in the last few minutes, who the heroes were below decks that were fighting to trim the ship and keep it stable instead of
rolling over, like the "costa con cord yeah" flipped over on its side. >> do you have strong opinions about what should happen to the relics? >> i feel fairly strongly the wreck itself, the structural part, the bow section, should be left alone. i think as kind of a memorial, as a shrine, it's more powerful in the deep sea than it would be hulled up into the sunlight. the artifacts, they're just scattered on the mud of the sea floor, bring those up. allows people to have a human connection. when you see the spectacles sitting there, you think, who is that person? what did they experience. >> connects you to history. >> should they be sold if they're brought up? >> that's an interesting point. they have to fund these selections somehow. they have to fund traveling them around the world, putting them on display. and i think when you seldom -- they go pow a private place, that's where they sfep over a
lot. >> so, you made 33 dives down to titanic. what it like? serene? haunting? >> serene. it's a peaceful place but disturbing, too, when you overa an image in your mind of what actually happened on that deck. of course, it happened miles above at the surface, but, you know, the first time it really struck me is when we landed and we. having a cup of tea as a break in the middle of the dive. you know, russian sub, are you to have tea. i'm looking out the porthole and i recognize that's where the band played. all of a sudden it hit me. this is really the titanic. all those stories. it's not just a myth but a real event that happened. >> first time i felt connected to a moment in history. >> you now have it in 3d, does it feel different? >> well, the ship still stinks. the beauty of the 3d, it allows
to you reinvent a movie back to the big screen and not yet change it editorially. you're not monkeying with or revisiting the film itself. >> what is it about you that wanted to go seven miles to the deepest part of the ocean floor? >> curiosity. just -- it's the sap thing that drives exploration, that drives all science. people just want to know the answers. and i think for explorers, you want to physically be there and bear witness. to be that remote from humanity in a place no human eyes had ever seen, i had all my sites, and i'm sure i felt like the astronauts landed on the moon. pichlg me, am i here? >> what did you see that was so piercing to your memory. >> i was struck by the des lags actually but also struck by the fact that life and death, even in the most extreme place where
the pressure isn't enough to crush steal or titanium, you still see these creatures swimming around. you think, how is this possible? >> how many species we don't know. >> we don't know what we don't know, right? >> exactly. >> and the scientists shifting through the data now now got one sample before my hydraulic system failed. they're going through that and i'm sure they'll find -- >> does the bottom of the ocean interest you more than outer space? >> i think they're both being. in terms of what i know my area is in the deep oech. this was my eighth expedition. on, i think i have more to offer there. if i went to face i'd be a tourist or film maker at best. i believe strongly in exmother rags. it's so hard for us to feel exploration is important when there are so many economic imperatives but they're there
are always economics. we have to explore it. it's in our dna. >> going to the last explored front tear? >> what might we find? >> first of all, the tremnches are interesting because there are geophysical processes that caused these devastating like japan and indonesia. we need to understand what's happening geological and we'll find tons of new species. >> great to see you again. >> always a pleasure. "titanic 3d" is in theaters now. can you name all living only four names. and you get to see their clubhouse when we come back only on "cbs this morning." [ glass clinks ] i just wanted to say a few words. first of all, thank you for the lovely meal jane. mom. and let's hear it for sara's paper mache eiffel tower. it's the washington monument. and dad, i'll never forget what you said to me this morning.
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presidents' club, the subject and title of their new book. >> and only on "cbs this morning," bill plante takes a look at one of the best membership perks of that club. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, charlie and erica. would you believe that the former presidents have their own exclusive hideaway? right across the street from the white house, a place to stay when they are in town. and this is the first time cameras have ever been allowed inside. so, come along this morning as we take you to the ex-presidents' clubhouse. >> i think this is a place where if you've been a president, you can come have some security, have some privacy, be close to the action. and still feel like you're more than a person checking into the hilton or the hyatt. >> reporter: more indeed, for this is, perhaps, the most exclusive hotel in the world. only four people are allowed to book a reservation. cbs news is the first to tour
the home with the presidents' club co-author mike duffy. >> the reason this sort of overnight guest house exists goes back to dick nixon pep keeps getting phone calls from johnson in texas, who's restless in the ranch and wants to keep coming to washington and that's why it was here. it was nixon trying to keep lyndon johnson happy. >> reporter: the first time mr. nixon came back to washington after his resignation, he was forced to go elsewhere. >> nixon asked to stay in this building, carter wouldn't let him. >> reporter: and it's more than just the clubhouse. duffy and gibbs write former presidents often form surprising alliances. >> nixon really wanted to get to know clinton. he wanted to be sort of a secret behind the scenes. adviser, he became that. clinton turned out to rely him on a great deal of advice. >> reporter: the has presidential bathrooms complete with a fireplace, breakfast room, formal dining room. the seal of the president is
prominently displayed. ex-president who has used it the most -- >> the person use hus used it most was george h.w. bush. >> reporter: authors say barbara bush described the house as a dump. it was modernized at the end of her son's presidency. >> thank you, mr. president, for hosting us. >> reporter: there's a reason sitting presidents, including president obama, like to talk to your predecessors. >> you come out of this job with so many scars that only you know about. only a few people understand what those scars are like. maybe that kind of -- a relationship with someone like that can take you to a place no one else can. >> reporter: not the oval office but not bad. do you think it will get more use these days? >> i think it's going to get a lot more use, mostly because we have young presidents. this is a club that probably has some growth years ahead. >> reporter: well, the house is large, but it's no mansion.
so, if the ex-presidents club gets much bigger and the man in the oval office decides he needs them here at the same time, they may have to draw straws to see who gets prime real estate across the street. >> like a tame share. you need certain weeks maybe. bill, thank you. the presidents club published by a whistle-blower is accusing his major tech company of taking jobs away from americans by
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we haven't seen much of old george since he left office but he made a brief appearance in new york. in case you're wondering he's still got it. >> i'm taking a bunch mountain biking in the canyon. i love to mountain bike ride. what i don't like to do is be beaten on a mountain bike ride by a one-legged veteran. but it's likely to happen. >> i'm missing so much. >> oh, boy. when you take stuff out of context, anything can look silly. okay, jimmy kimmel. 8:00, welcome back to "cbs this morning." i'm gayle king. >> i'm charlie rose with erica hill. weave had this happen, you call
a company's 800 number for help and talk to someone in a foreign country. it's called outsourcing. >> now one company is being accused of bringing lower paid workers to the u.s. illegally and that may be costing americans jobs. the allegations are the subject of a federal probe and senior correspondent john miller has been investigating the story for months now. >> good morning. >> good morning. the allegations have been made against a giant indian i.t. firm called infosys and charges are coming from inside the company from an employee who has never spoken publicly before. you're about to meet him right now. jay palmer is a principle consultant at company called infosys. he is also the whistle-blower whose charges sparked federal investigation. palmer says infosys, global high-tech giant engaged in a systematic practice of visa fraud, a charge the company denies. what was the first thing to catch your attention? >> had an employee over from
indian that had been over several times before. and he came up to me and he was literally in tears. he told me he was over here illegally. he diplomat want to be here. he was worried that he would get caught. >>. >> reporter: palmer says he began digging into how and why. infosys seemed to be bringing in large number of workers from this place, corporate headquarters, bangalore, india, into the u.s. palmer says at first most came over on h-1b visas. they are for people with specialized talents, or a level of technical ability that can't be found among american workers. did you find they were all people who had some special expertise we couldn't find here? >> absolutely not. not even close. many of them is what we call freshers, people that would just come over, whoever they could get to come over, whoever got accepted for a visa. >> not only did they not have some unique tal eent we couldn' find in the united states, a lot
of them didn't know what they were doing at all. >> reporter: absolutely. there was not a project or program i was involved in we did not remove somebody because they had no knowledge of what they were doing. >> reporter: what's the motive to bring them? you could hire an american trained in that particular discipline and do better. >> purely profit. >> reporter: palmer says the indian workers on his team were paid substantially less than an american would have made in the same job. when the u.s. state department began to limit the number of h-1b visas he says infosys began using another type of visa, b-1s, who are to consult with business associates, travel for a convention, but palmer says employees were brought in not for meetings but full-time jobs. >> testing software, coding, testing, installing software. >> reporter: why would infosys do this and what advantage did it give them in the marketplace? >> it could outbid everybody --
or underbid everybody on every contract. >> reporter: because they were paying less? >> absolutely. for example, if i have to -- if you do a job and i'm going to pay you $15,000 a year, why would i pay an american or a legal worker $65,000 a year? makes no -- it's just economics. >> reporter: and palmer says the b-1 workers never paid u.s. taxes because they received their salaries from india. >> basically a lot of times they're being paid on a cash card or a debit card where money was put in their account. the fact is, they're just taking that money out and never paying u.s. taxes. >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome co-founder and ceo infosys sd shibulal. >> reporter: infosys may not be a household name to many americans but in the technology business, the company is a power house, one of the biggest consulting firms in the world with over $6 billion in revenue last year alone and 145,000
employees in 32 countries. the bull of its business comes from the u.s., re-engineering computer systems of some of the biggest names in corporate america. federal officials say infosys employees have 6,000 b-1 visas, good for ten years. now, jay palmer says if just half of those employees were working here on u.s. soil, that would earn the company more than $150 million a year more than if they paid americans the prevailing wage. infosys declined our repeated requests for an on-camera interview with the company executive or with ceo sd shib laul but the company's chief financial officer has denied the charges on indian television. >> very clear we're not violating any of the rules. we believe we have a strong case. >> reporter: infosys did give us a statement, saying in part, any allegation or assertion that there is or was a corporate practice of evading the law in
conjunction with the b-1 visa program is simply not accurate. and we will vigorously defend the company against any false allegation to that effect. >> we are infosys. we are building tomorrow's enterprise. >> reporter: but one of jay palmer's most serious allegations is the top company executives not only knew about the alleged fraud but wanted to expand on it to increase profits. palmer says during a 2010 meeting here in infosys's corporate headquarters in bangalore, the practice was discussed with a group of executives, including a senior vice president. >> there was some conversations about how to increase the share price, which in america is the stock price. so, it's really about getting people over, no matter what the cost or whatever. i think that's the first time i heard the term, you know, americans are stupid. >> reporter: and they said that in reference to? >> the law. getting around the system, yeah. absolutely. >> reporter: because it was so easy? >> oh, it's totally easy.
>> reporter: did anybody else at infosys, other project managers ever discuss this with you? >> yes. >> i had my head in the sand. >> reporter: one of those people was palmer friends and infosys project manager marti harrington. >> i realized there were a few times they were pushing me, infosys was pushing me to get the client to agree to having more people on shore. they were still getting more money because they were paying these folks from india so little. >> reporter: when marti harrington learned the b-1 visa specifically prohibited employment here, she checked the visa status of some of her own team members. >> and then i realized that we had people here, "we" being employees at infosys, had people here that were in the states on b-1 visas that were working. you know, they weren't here to attend training or, you know, to attend a conference. they were here working on a project. >> reporter: according to palmer, these documents come from an internal infosys website that appears to be a do's and
don'ts list that gives instructions on how to get b-1 visa requests by the u.s. state department, telling managers not to mention things like work or employment on their applications. or in interviews with u.s. customs and border patrol agents. when you saw the internal reb site, what about it struck you? >> intent, deliberate, not even trying to follow the spirit of the law. >> reporter: so this was an instruction guide on how to beat the system. >> yes, in my opinion, absolutely. all these people over here -- palmer says after he blew the whistle to infosys executives, they retaliated against him. he's now suing the company. infosys denies palmer's allegations and denies the company ever retaliated against him. in its statement to cbs news, they said mr. palmer's allegations may make an interesting story but the case before the court isn't about a
story. it's about facts. and the facts are clear and compelling. how do you react to that? it's the united states of america. if they want their day in court, let's let them are their day in court and we can lay compelling facts out. >> reporter: when this is all over and it all comes out, where is jay palmer? are you going to be able to work in this business again? do you look like a hero or are you the goat? >> i don't know. you know, it's not about me. this story is about displaced american workers and about companying out for greed. >> palmer's civil suit against infosys is scheduled to go to trial this summer in alabama. >> are the other companies doing this? because if they say it's easy to do, you would think it would be attractive to other people? >> i think other companies are doing this, charlie, just this week another lawsuit was filed in new jersey against a different company alleging the same practices of visa fraud and
abuse. >> it's so frustrating. i love how you have pieced and we've gotten a call from someone out of the country. it happened to me. it was someone from the philippines. i had to hang up because it was so hard to understand what can we do? >> they use the word offshore because it's easier. they are looking to change the law to say between dhs, immigration and customs enforcement and the state department, the people who issue those visas, they need much more coordination about who are these people? what are they doing here? >> often they are workers who come to the united states to get a great education. and they can't stay and companies want to hire them. >> and that is an issue with some of these visas where they give them to people coming out of those schools to stay and work here. but the question is, you know, how long do you stay? what's the difference between a visa? we're talking visas here and immigration. that's two different things.
>> john, nice to have you at the table, as always. than for 25 years george lucas fought with his california neighbors. that's a long time. and now he's given up. but not without one parting shot. we'll show you what it is and why it's causing such a stir. you're watching "cbs this morning." can't believe i bought a 6" subway breakfast sub
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obstacles, hearings, fights to get it done. as brian rooney reports, george lucas is angry at those who stood in his way. >> reporter: it was about this living postcard where lucas planned a state-of-the-art movery studio but a handful of neighbors said, too close for comfort. going up that way, that's -- >> that's the bridge between public owned and george. >> reporter: george, according to homeowner liz dale, would have brought traffic, noise and damage to a delicate environment. >> sound stages, outdoor stage for filming, restaurant and retail. >> no. we had no proposal for retail. >> reporter: tom forester speaks for lucas. >> we don't think anyone wins in this situation. everybody loses a good business that would have provided hundreds of jobs and millions of dollars in revenue. >> reporter: lucas is a local boy, a local hero, whose first
box office hit was filmed on local streets. and a lot of locals are unhappy he couldn't build this mission-style compound that would have brought as many as 340 jobs and buckets of tax money to town. >> he's a legend. he's a big, giant legend here in marin. >> reporter: lucas is known as the developer you want, even if you don't want development. county supervisor susan adams points out the thousands of acres he's preserved. how much of what we're looking at here is open and green because of george lucas? >> all of it. everything that you can see. >> reporter: but this parcel, he says, he'll sell. maybe to developers who would build low income housing, an idea which already isn't going down too well with his opponents. lou income housing, work or not work? >> it could work. but closer to jobs and closer to mass transit. >> reporter: it's not there? >> not ideal.
>> reporter: george lucas is going to leave that discussion to whoever else tries to build on this land. for "cbs this morning," brian >> i don't know, erica. if i'm in the neighborhood, i'm thinking how bad would it have been to have jobs and new traffic coming in and create new opportunities? i don't know. >> tough to always get everybody in agreement, isn't it, no matter what the issue is? although we could perhaps agree it's a beautiful area. >> it is. i'm thinking george lucas would have been a good neighbor. he can come upper west side. we would love to have him. >> come near us. >> we would love to have him new don't look down but get ready to go to the top of one world trade center now being built next to ground zero and we'll take you there.
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cbs, god bless them, has invited me, and we'll be staying here a little longer, two more years here at cbs. oh, no, wait a minute. they didn't exactly invite me to stay. it was more like -- i don't want to tell him. you want to tell him? two more years plus 800 hours of community service. >> nobody wants to say bye to david letterman. dave letterman is 65 years old today. >> happy birthday. a man who seems to love his work. >> i think so, too. i'm thinking, charlie, we have two more years, erica, before we can maybe get him to come to the table. who's going to call? >> i like that. >> you do, you do it.
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at the office, i was so proud. then a check came in and it ruined it a bit because i didn't want people to think that was mixed in with my pride, i suppose. but i just say, i got over that. >> look at that smile. welcome back to "cbs this morning." since ricky gervais sat down with "60 minutes" back in 2009 the actor and comedian has
gotten more famous f you can believe that. >> we're delighted to have him here in studio 57. welcome back. >> hello. >> not welcome back. first time you've been on that set. watch that chair. >> looks like we could rule the world just from here. >> lead a country. >> exactly. >> we tarp you canning about "the office" and why you left before you came on. it was in part because of what you thought -- you were competing against yourself? >> yeah, it's so intense. it's not like, you know, there was a team of 20 writers and producers. and you put everything into it. that was the first thing i did. it's like a lifetime's work really. and i -- i didn't want to repeat myself or water it down, so i just left as it was. i've never regretted that really. i miss it but i've never regretted it. >> but you diplomat do it long. didn't you leave after a couple of seasons? >> yeah, 12 episodes and a special. >> and that was enough? >> that was enough.
but that is shown in 90 countries. the remake -- if it had gone on forever there's not many remakes. the american remake, like 170 episodes. it's incredible. >> and more than just the american remake. a bunch of other places. >> eight other countries have remakes, you know, sweden, russia, chile, so, you know, it's a franchise. i'm like ronald mcdonald. >> hello, ronald. >> how many ricky gervais shows are there now? >> there's a few. do it for a while then i'd rather lay down. i have the attention span of a toddler. these screens are dangerous. i want to turn it over and see what's on the other side. >> ricky, i happen to believe -- tell me what you think. i happen to believe humor is a sign of intelligence. i really do. i think funny people are really very smart. you have a degree in philosophy. >> yeah. >> yes, you do. do you think of yourself -- >> do you think humor is a sign
of intelligence? do you see yourself as a smart guy? >> it's certainly a sign of a type of intelligence. i think that outside, you know, what you'd call academic intelligence, i think in most intelligence is very important, getting on with people, understanding the world. i think comedy is very analytical. i think you have to look at something and there's a lot of logic to it. i like it to be based on a certain amount of truth. so, i think that all ties into it, yes, certainly. >> you see more in the water in britain than most places. >> you see what? >> more wit and comedy in the water in britain. >> yeah. well -- >> enunciate, mr. rose, yes. >> that's my hearing. that's not your pronunciation, don't worry. i think brits pride themselves on having a sense of humor. first one to get a gag out, usually something sarcastic or
ironic. i think comedy is a medicine. it's a healing process. it gets us through stuff. i think that's what it's for in an evolutionary sense. it gets you through stuff. so, you know, if you got a good sense of humor, you're bullet proof, i think. >> who did you love? comedians. >> laurel and hardy. i mean, it's never been beaten. they had everything you need. they showed empathy. i love them because they're precarious, fall down for my pleasure, get up, dust themselves off. i love the relationship. i love, i'm with this idiot but i'm with this idiot. i love that dynamic. they set pretty much every template for modern comedy. >> i heard you're working on a new show about kindness. >> it is. >> kindness, you say, is one of the most important things. >> i think it's everything. i think it's -- i'm an atheist, but i think all you need is kind. do unto others as do you unto
yourself. it's done. >> some people would say your mouth hasn't always been so kind. do you say that's part of the comedy? >> when haven't i been kind? >> talking about the golden globes presentation. >> you mean i teased some of the most privileged in the world? some films they may have made? >> yes, that time. >> if it was room full of soldiers then, yeah, guilty. guilty. >> confess. you got me. >> yeah. >> took a shot at some privileged people. >> sorry, mate. >> sorry, brad and angelina. >> exactly. >> no regrets there? >> no. >> we have a clip "the ricky gervais show." do you want to set it up? >> i love it. it's not like watching me. i do it for carl. carl is my gift to the world. >> the bald guy. take a look at ricky's clip. >> the bald guy. >> carl, theegz things really annoy you.
>> slugs. >> slugs? >> i don't know what the purpose is. they sit there still. i don't see them doing anything. i was looking at one close up -- >> what do you want them to do, read? >> cause more problems. they eat cabbage when they shouldn't be. they get in my box and lick stamps. >> they don't lick stamps. >> they eat the stamps. they like the glue on it. that's why they're so slow. i think they're sweating glue. >> you love this, don't you? >> you're cracks yourself up. >> i've never met anyone like him. i'm slightly obsessed with him. he's my best friend part pet part chimp. >> steve -- >> no, carl. >> was that bad to call him the bald guy? >> no. >> you said, the bald guy. >> his head is also perfectly round. no, and i -- i can't get enough of him.
i call him every day. and i like to inflame his imagination. he didn't have a full education, he didn't really go to school but he's got -- you know, he's got -- >> so when you call him every day, what's it like? what's the conversation? >> there's -- he can't go to the bank without coming back with an adventure. and last night it was science and nature. we talk about big subjects, you know, religion, science, nature, mind/body problems. and talking about evolution. i've tried to explain it so many times. i was explaining it. i said, carl, i said, a chimpanzee is 98.6% genetically identical to a human. i said, that's 1.4% difference. carl thought about it and said, that's got to be the -- that 1.4% standing around going, if we could sort it this out, we'd be human. >> i like carl. >> i like carl, too. he's amazing. >> he's fantastic. >> you look good. you've lost a couple pound.
you look nice. >> thank you. >> got a beard. >> yeah, from a distance it looks like a jawline. >> very deb oe nair. >> that's what it was intended to do. >> that wasn't so bad. when i first sat down and she went, we're very nice people. there's nothing scarier than that, someone telling you, i'm a very nice person. >> ricky, i said it in a friendly way. i didn't go, i'm a nice person. we're nice. >> when they say that, watch out. >> good to see you. >> the pain will come. it's like your dentist. >> exactly. >> okay, i'm a jerk, ricky gervais. >> it was lovely. >> no, it was lovely. >> good-bye. >> season three of "the ricky gervais show" premieres next friday on hbo. >> hbo. >> not television, it's hbo. an emotional piece of history is about to be made right here in new york. a new skyscraper at ground zero will soon be the city's tallest tower.
♪ a little bruce spring streen. for a lot of people there's a mix of oe emotions as you watch the rise of the one world trade center. >> workers are close to finishing the 104 stories. nancy cordes went to the top to get the story and amazing view. nancy? >> reporter: good morning, guys. it was a real thrill, let me tell you. construction began on this skyscraper back in 2006 and now it is just a few feet away from reclaiming the status that the original world trade center had before it fell as the tallest building in new york. we made our way up to the top of one world trade center on a
series of temporary hoists and wobbly construction ladders. emerging to a breathtaking sight, the 93rd floor. no walls, no ceiling, and a group of ironworkers perched even higher. >> high job. just got to worry about everything. dropping things, falls. >> reporter: have there been any falls? >> thank god, no. >> reporter: tommy hickey ask his partner, michael o'reilly are part of a small team of ironworkers called connecters. they're the ones that climb up and insert the first fastenering after two giant cranes lower steel beams into place. >> all the other ironworkers come in behind us, bolt it up, weld it, plumb it up, get everything nice, deck it. >> reporter: thanks to their labor, the building is now 1244 feet high, just 6 feet shy of overtaking the empire state building as the tallest building in new york. obviously, you don't have a fear of heights but was there ever a moment where you went, woe? >> i have an understanding with
gravity, i'm not going to test it out and it's not going to pull me down. >> reporter: the reward is the best view in the city with all of manhattan spread out to the north. to the west on a clear day, they can see past new jersey to pennsylvania. on the floors below, 3500 workers are laying cement and marble, welding floors and installing windows. the project, once estimated to cost $2 billion, has risen to $3.8 billion. >> they're erecting perimeter columns, internal columns. >> reporter: patrick foye is director of the port authority. he says the building is nearly 60% leased. >> this is a building as a testimony to renewal and vitality and life and returning to normality after the events of 9/11 over ten years ago. >> reporter: the work is personal for hickey, who is a fourth generation ironworker.
>> my grandfather worked on the empire state building, my father worked down here, south tower, i believe, when he was 16. >> reporter: wow. >> one of his former jobs. when he got home from school. >> reporter: one writer described this building as the world's tallest bull's eye. do you feel like that when you're up here? >> no, i feel like it's the middle finger, new york's middle finger. >> reporter: to al qaeda? >> yes, sir. >> reporter: when he's done, this building will stand even taller than the original world trade center. in fact, at 1776 feet, it will be the tallest skyscraper in the western hemisphere. >> this is top notch. can't get better than this. over 100 stories, can't get better than this. >> reporter: eventually there will be six buildings at this site, five under construction, one completed. this building they're hoping will be able to welcome the first tenants by 2014. we have to thank the port authority guys that sneak peek from the top.
what a view. >> impressive. were you scared, nancy? i know you also have an understanding of gravity. >> reporter: yes, i had a healthy fear of being up there. we did not get close to the edge. as you can see, there's nothing to catch you from going over. >> nancy, they sound like interesting people. i mean, the notion it's not a bull's eye but a middle finger. a sense of humor about these guys. >> reporter: right, right. >> and the generational impact. >> reporter: they've had a lot of time up there, i think, to think about what this building means to them. so many of these ironworkers for them it's a family business. going back generations. so, they have a lot of pride working here. they say this is really a trophy for them. it doesn't get better than working on one world trade. >> thank you, nancy. thank you nancy cordes. bluf to see. 2014 will be here before you know it. i like the notion of a middle finger. >> yes. >> i'm going to write that down. >> we'll remember that one. legendary -- i'm sorry, your line. >> go ahead. >> it says erica.
>> we can share. >> do it. >> should i go ahead? >> yes. >> we can do it together on the count of three, one, two -- >> the legendary bob marley made a huge impact on music and culture. grammy award winning ziggy marlin is here with a new documentary about his famous father. you're watching "cbs this morning."
>> and now sharing the story of his dad's life and legacy in a new documentary called, appropriately, "marley." welcome. we're so glad you're here. i learned so much about your dad. number one, it's two hours and 25 minutes. it's a little long. i thought, i'll watch 15 minutes, then 45 and before i knew it, two ours and 27 minutes zoomed by. it's miening this is the first time the family really approved. you said you never read any books about your dad. but this one, you said, they got it right. >> yes, we were intim matly involved with because we wanted to do something definitive and like the final word on bob. we had to be involved in it for it to be that, you know, so we got kevin mcdonnell who directed "last king of scotland" to work on it and i was executive producer on the project, so we had -- hands on on the project, so that was really good. >> what do you think he would want the final word to be?
>> well, i think, you know, he wants everyone to love each other basically. that's his message. and i think we want people to have emotional connection to bob beyond the legend, beyond the idol. what we hope to do is bring people closer to bob as a person and create that emotional connection. >> beyond the music to the soul. >> yes. definitely. >> you mention he wanted everybody to love each other. is there anything new that you learned about your dad going through this whole process? >> yeah, i learned a lot. a lot of new things. the early years i was specifically that because he was mixed race, his father was a white englishman -- >> i didn't know that, ziggy. a lot of people didn't know that. i had no idea he was mixed race. >> there were some issues growing up in kingston, there were some racial issues, which surprised me in jamaica. it was like, what, really?
i didn't know that. and then some of the funny stuff in the film was a story about where he had to buy weed, which was bob used to rehearse in the cemetery to get rid of stage fright, which is kind of funny. >> that's one way to do it. i love how you said he wanted people to love everyone, because papa was a little bit of a rolling stone. 11 kids with 7 different women. and your sister talked about it very poignantly that it caused some pain for her growing up. i want to know from your point of view what it was like for a father, as a father, and what it taught you about being a father, because you're married with children. >> well, he was a very strong father, but he was -- he's like -- he was so focused on what he was doing, you know, that a lot of the parenting was actually left up to my great aunt because my mother was obviously with him, too. but when we were around and what we learned mostly was from the
experience. t wasn't sit down and speak. the action. for me, you know, in my early days, this is what we were used to. this wasn't anything out of the ordinary for us. but it didn't really work for me, so -- >> good. can i say on blafl of your wife who i met, good. comes up -- there's a significance of the date. >> significance? >> see, i've never smoked marijuana so i don't understand. translate. >> that is my brother's birthday, steven, my brother's birthday. and then they have this -- i don't know -- i don't even know. 4-20, a day to celebrate the plant cannabis. >> okay. were you aware of 4-20 charlie? go ahead, charlie? share. >> were you aware, erica? >> it appears to charlie we're out of time. nice to have you. >> ziggy has a new album "wild
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