change would follow. >> i think there was a theory if i could just flood the american welfare system with welfare recipients, you could break the bank, so to speak. >> stanny kerts is a senior fellow at the ethics center and has done extensive research on the national welfare organization and on acorn. >> that would stories the federal government to create a guaranteed minimum income. so it really was a strategy to provoke socialism through a kind of crisis of the welfare state system. they used to flood welfare offices with recipients who would protest and demand more welfare payments. >> their record in the entire field of welfare in their entire field of human relations is one of colossal and almost complete failure. >> then governor ronald reagan of california felt that the welfare rights organizers were destroying the very lives they claimed to be helping. >> they have tried this raising of people by mass movements. their whole big government approach has institutionalized poverty, perpetuating its degradation until welfare becomes a way of life under the second and third genera