john tyner was not allowed on the plane. he could face a fine for leaving before security officers could search them. >>> the body scanner controversy has sparked a rebolt among passengers that could cause delays. on facebook people are being urged to refuse the whole body scan and asked to do the pat down. those pat downs take longer. could cause huge backups. >> going to go through any way. >> i just wish there was middle ground for people. for people that can't handle it. >> the passengers are not the only ones that are fed up. pilot unions are criticizing the body scanners. many pass through those scanners several times a day. they are concerned about the impact of radiation. we posted more information on holiday travel for you on our channel 2 website and what you can expect at the airport. just go to ktvu.com look for the ktvu right now section. >>> well they are now seeking murder charges against a woman accused of pushing an elderly woman off a train platform in los angeles. police say the suspect pushed the 84-year-

john tyner posted it in a blog. he said he refused to go through a body scanner at san diego international airport, then turned down a full body pat-down. that would have includ a groin check, he says. he said he was about to leave the airport whenuthorities told him he still had to go through the screening even though he was leaving or he would face a civil suit. as some people are expressing concern about the privacy and safetyf body scanners, janet that napolitano says passengers should not be worried. she wrote an opinion piece in "usa today" this weekend writing that scanners we independently tested by the food and drug administration, e national institutes of standards and technology and the johns hopkins university applied physics laboratory. >> viblth under quter mile. that plus the deer being active this time of year. watch out. certainly a deer hazard with lowered visibility. it's a chilly morning. down near 40 in the suburbs and rural areas. in washington and near the bay. temperatures in the upper 40s to

. >>> john tyner was boarding a flight in san diego when he was asked to go through one of the tsa's new body scanners. he said no. >> i opted out. they walked me around and explained to me that they were going to do a patdown. >> reporter: tyner refused that, too, recording the exchange on his cell phone. >> i don't understand how a sexual assault can be made. >> this is not considered a sexual assault. >> it would be if you weren't the government. >> reporter: that video went viral. and overnight, tyner became the public face of passenger frustration. >> i don't know. i think it invades a little privacy. >> i'd rather you be intimate with me and me get on the plane safely than not. >> reporter: travelers complain that the scanners reveal too much, showing body parts through clothing. and they say the patdowns are invasive and humiliating. >> reporter: passengers have been complaining about the security procedures here at l.a.x. and other airports since they went into effect in july. but with recent cargo bomb incidents and holiday travel about to start, officials are making no apol

john tyner from san diego is now known worldwide as the "don't touch my junk" guy for this video he recorded of his own tsa close encounter. >> we're going to do a groin check, slide that down, i'm going to do that two times in front and two times in the back. if you like a private screening we can do that. >> dient here but if you touch my junk i'll have you arrested. >> it was just frightening. >> reporter: meg mcclain, a radio talk show host who claims she was singled out and handcuffed by the tsa. a moment captured on surveillance video. because she pushed back against the new security. >> they used full palms with fingers, they feel around your breasts, your genitalia. it's just completely dehumanizing. >> reporter: then there's the 3-year-old. a youtube video of a 3-year-old upset about having her teddy bear x-rayed while the tsa patted her down is for some the perfect example of airport security run amok. even though this isn't part of the new enhanced security. >> it is ridiculous that 100% of the people are being put through these very intrusive measures when you know that 100% of t

tyner. the administrator is very calm and cool and collected individual, but i got some phone calls today that tell me a lot of people over at tsa and dhs who are very angry about how this incident has been portrayed. bu they say they're not backing down at this point in time, though we expect adjustments before pilots are concerns. the pilots say why are you convenienting us? we're in the cockpit and in chrome of planes which are potential weapons of mass destruction. so some changes there, but not for the general public at this point in time. >> all right. jeanne meserve appreciate your thoughts tonight. >>> to politics. actions have consequences and elections too. the actions of rangel brought a stinging rebuke today. guilty on 11 to 12 counts leading to tax evasion and mailing privileges. rangel not too long ago was one of the most powerful members of congress. now he faces possible expulsion. there's a new effort to block or stall nancy pelosi's bid to remain leader of the house democra

john tyner and penn jillette. you can follow my occasional tweets @lawrence. "countdown" is up next. >> which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow? >> republicans kill off the ç extension of unemployment insurance. >> the bill has not passed. >> mr. butstani of louisiana. the democrats vow to to try again at the end of the month and underscore the truth about the recipient. >> on the campaign trail, republicans call the unemployed lazy. boy, you haven't met an unemployed person or you would never say that a second time to them. >> tax cuts. steny hoyer said democrats will get to vote this year on just the middle class cuts. nancy pelosi and the president say we need you to lead on tax cuts. gop congressmen seek to eliminate ethics -- well, the office of ethics. no, ethics. >>> with matt taibi, john stewart is hateful and crazy and national public radio is the nazis. glad to see the tone improved. >>> and no touching. the california county d.a. who says he will prosecutor any tsa screener who goes too far. >> we could prove the elements, that i

. >> that was john tyner, he faces a possible $11,000. he didn't want to use one of the new body scanner machines, there are now 385 of them at nearly 70 airports nationwide. they were put in place after the accused underwear bomber tried to blow up the plane in detroit last christmas. since that attempted bombing, michael chertoff has been touting the need for the scanners. here's what he told "the new york times" about the machines days after the attempted underwear bombing, quote, if they'd been deployed this would pick up this kind of device. as former homeland security secretary mr. chertoff's opinion carries a lot of weight. but what may not be clear to many americans, however, is that michael chertoff is in business with one of the big companies that makes these machines. he runs a consulting firm and the company is one of his clients. mr. chertoff's claim these machines would have picked up the underwear bomber's device contradicts a gao report that said, and i quote, while officials performs as well as fiscal patdowns and tests i

that being said there is a difference between that john tyner case and muslim women. we are talking about things that can be concealed. you can conceal a lot of things in their wardrobe. the other side of this that being said, bill, there is a constant tension between muslim groups who profess this desire for assimilation and this constant need for separation or appearing for special treatment. >> bill: that's their religion. they are not going to change it you know how they -- they are wearing veils. i mean, okay. i can see a real danger ahead at the airports. now, sarah palin got a new alaska program. she runs out and hunts and fishes and does -- climbs mountains and stuff on tlc. let's roll the tape and show everybody what she is doing. >> oh, god help me. okay. here guy. here guy, brian. >> i'm ready for you. >> i'm scared. >> just do it. >> okay. >> excellent. >> oh, okay. that's scarier than i thought. >> yeah. >> every time before i go on the air i hear the technical guys in the booth back in new york going okay, governor palin, you are on with bill. good luck.

and one man has become the face of that anger, john tyner of california, the guy would told security "don't touch my junk" if california. >>shepard: the video generate add huge response on the web and has led to calls online for a national body scan opt out day. on november 24. he decided not to take the flight and the airline gave him a full refund although he did not have a fully refundable ticket but he now is facing a possible $11,000 fine for refusing to finish the screening procedure, in essence, for leaving the airport. hello? and now from washington, what do we expect to hear from the head of the transportation secure administration? >>reporter: he is head of the transportation security administration and testifying before the senate homeland security committee and will talk about home terrorisms are changing their methods and types of explosives and they are trying to get ahead of that. here is what the homeland security secretary said yesterday about why the familiar machines could be outdated. >> those went into place in the 1960's and are 50-year-old technology and it wou

if you touch my junk, i'll have you arrested" the plea and warning from unhappy san diego passenger john tyner about the choice between the full-body scan and the way up too close and personal hand inspection. tonight our number one story, why are we doing this? why are we doing this and all of these other remarkably stupid and ineffective invasions of privacy when nations with nearly perfect records against would be aviation terrorists do not? nations like israel? my next guest is an expert on their air security. first new developments in what appears to be the tsa's losing battle to keep both full-body screening and feeling up passengers alive. tsa administrator john pistole this morning testified and naturally used the worst possible cliche. the bottom line is we need to provide the best possible security. pistole did insist the story of the 3-year-old being patted down is an urban legend. he then added, am i going to change the policies? no. two pilots today, one woman, one man sued over the pat-downs and screenings claiming they are unconstitutional searches. you have by now seen ty

john tyner refused to take the body scan. his reaction to that more aggressive patdown made him an internet sensation. you see, he made a cell phone recording of the whole thing. >> if you touch my junk, i'm going to have you arrested. >> the engineer was not allowed to board his flight after refusing the pat down. when he tried to leave the airport, he was detained. >> tried to leave the airport when i was met by another tsa agent who told me that i had to return to the skraeng area and finish the screening because it was apparently against federal law to begin the screening process but not to finish it. >> his blog says he left the airport but only after being threatened with a lawsuit and a $10,000 fine for failing to complete security screening. >>> this is green week here on nbc bay area and our nbc network as well. today governor arnold schwarzenegger kicked off his third and final climate change summit. celebrities and world leaders turn out for the event. a reporter from our sacramento station has reaction to day one

here is john tyner of california who told screener don't touch my junk after a patdown in san diego. here, listen >> shepard: there you go. that video and those words generating an enormous response on the internet. it's even led to calls online for a national body scan opt out day on november the 24th, the day before thanksgiving. tyner divided not to take his flight and the airline gave him a refund but he is now facing a possible $11,000 fine because he didn't finish the security procedure and left the airport. molly henneberg with the news live in washington tonight. what else did the t.s.a. chief say today. >> hi, shep that the everchanging terror threat demands everevolving airport security. here is more. >> we want to be sensitive about people's concerns about privacy, about their personal being and things while ensuring that everybody on every flight has been properly screened. >> government officials say they are trying to keep potentially explosive liquids, gels and powders that could be hidden on a terrorist body off of airplanes, shep? >> shepard: what do we know about th

john tyner from san diego refused to be scanned or patted down. he taped his confrontation with tsa official. [ indiscernible ] >> >> we can do that out here. but i'll have you arrested. >> i don't understand how a sexual assault can be made a condition of my flying. >> this is not considered a sexual assault. >> it would be if you weren't the government!! >> tyner's tape is a big hit on youtube. the tsa is defending the new procedures. >> we are not doing this just to do it. we're doing it because we need to keep powders and gels and liquids off of planes that are unauthorized. >> and the new rules allow passengers to choose between the full body x-ray or a patdown. >>> those body scanners a hot tonic on our facebook page: you can weigh in on the debate on the c-b-s 5 early e ok page. cbs5.com our facebook page. >>> a big legal victory for illegal immigrants. the state supreme court ruled in a unanimous decision that undocumented students are entitled to the same in state tuition breaks that public colleges as legal californians. the students tho

the latest incident john tyner's confrontation with tsa officials in san diego this weekend all captured on his camera. >> he was going on a hunting trip with his father-in-law when he refused to submit to a body scan at san diego's airport. with his cell phone recorder rolling tsa agents took him aside and attempted to pat him down. >> you have anything in your pockets? >> i don't think so. they had me take it all out. no belt. no nothing. >> do you have any external or internal implants that i need to be aware of? >> no. >> we are going to do a standard pat down on you today. using my hands going like this. >> all right. >> also, we are going to do a groin check. that means i'm going to place my hand on your hip, the other hand on your inner thigh, slowly go up, slide down. >> okay. >> two times in the front, two times in the back. >> all right. >> if you would like a private screening we can make that available for you also. >> we can do that but if you touch my junk i'm going to have you arrested. >> actually, we are going to have a supervisor here because of your statement. >> the s

john tyner gave the quote of the week. he was about to get an airport pat-down. he said, if you touch my junk i'm going to have you arrested. that was at san diego international after he refused a screening he considered an electronic strip search. >> i didn't intend to go through the machine or be groped. >> it is aimed specifically to ensure the safety of the public. >> reporter: homeland security security secretary janet napolitano denied the scanners amount to digital undressing and she defended the intimate pat-downs some pilots equate with sexual molestation. napolitano says the department of homeland security might alter its rules but suggests that flying is a privilege, not a right. >> and if people don't want to play that role, they want to travel by some other means, of course that's their right. >> reporter: in new jersey, lawmakers are seeking to ban full-body scanners at newark international. and a pilots union is telling members to avoid scanners, in part over radiation concerns. now there is an internet campaign urging travelers to refuse screening

. >> okay, so john tyner says he was told he could have a patdown instead, and he told them quote if you touch my junk, i'll have you arrested. nice line, not likely. it is important to remember how we got here and why the government put the additional security measures in place. the head of the security administration says it's about keeping you safe while balancing privacy concerns. >> two things. one, security on the one hand and partnerships on the other hand. so the question is -- how do we best address those issues that people have raised while providing the best possible security? we know that everybody on every flight wants to ensure that everybody around them has been properly screened so there is not a group of box cutters or liquid explosives or underwear bombs or shoe bombs or whatever it may be. so we have to find that area that we can provide the best possible security to address those issues. >> but a point that opponents of the body scanners make is if you are looking for underwear bombs, the current advanced imaging technology would not have found the bomb that abdul

john tyner missed his flight and was escorted out for refusing to take part in a tsa full body scan or get a pat down. he is one of many people that believe the search method is just too invasive. >> we're spending inordinate amounts of money on security that doesn't work. i don't intend to go through the machine or be groped. >> i was told if he left the security area without being screened he could face a $10,000 fine and possibly a civil suit. he was refunded his ticket price. >>> let's crack open the job shop there morning. the job of the day is at optima consulting in columbia. they are hiring for office and clerical support. for more information on the job of the day and you would like to search for others, go to myfoxdc.com and click on the job shop tab. you'll find it at the top of the home page. >>> 8:40 right now on this monday morning. up next the advancement in the research for sickle cell disease. >> reporter: good morning, steve. at d.c. central kitchen they gear up for thanksgiving come november 1st. today they have a big help. about 5,000 pounds of turkey showing up tha

. >> reporter: on saturday john tyner opted, instead, for an enhanced and more invasive pat-down. an alternative security measure offered by the tsa. but he felt even that went too far. he recorded what happened in the san diego airport on his cell phone. >> i'm going to place my hand on your hip, my other hand on your inner thigh, slowly go up and slide down. >> okay. >> if you'd like a private screening, we can make that available for you also. >> we can do that out here but if you touch my junk i'm going to have you arrested. >> reporter: soon a supervisor arrived. >> i don't understand how a sexual assault can be made a condition of my flying. >> this is not considered a sexual assault. >> it would be if you weren't the government. >> reporter: tyner was not allowed on his flight and now faces legal trouble. and while some others share his concerns -- >> i don't know. i think it invades a little privacy. >> reporter: a cbs news poll released monday shows 81% of americans support the use of the full body scans. >> i fly a couple times a month. i'm more worried about getting blo

. >> reporter: john tyner's reaction to a patdown is legend. but a homeland security official says that the shame is tyner is being turned into a hero. tuesday, the tsa called the screeners to say they had done a good job. >> cool, calm, and professional and that what we expect. >> reporter: according the a poll, 81% of americans support the full body imageers, but the day before thanksgiving, the busiest day of the year is growing according to organizers and one group is urging americans not the fly that day to protest tas's machines and patdowns. >> blen ywhen you want to fondl grandma's breasts, that is too far or nude photography to tell whether a man is circumcised or not, that is too far. >> reporter: they have used sexual assault and molestation and visual rape to describe the patdowns and scans. but the tsa says it is on the right side of the law. >> it is a reasonable search, because it is conducted to stop terrorist attacks and stop people from bringing weapons or bombs on to airplanes. >> reporter: air safety is the bottom line for k

. >> by the way, you mentioned in the intro the threat of possible fines against john tyner the guy who recorded that interaction with the tsa screener. pistole said today that is still under review but there were strong hints he is not going to be fined. he said the only people who have been fined thus far are people who were actually trying to smuggle things through. >> right. >> through security checkpoints. >> right. i don't think the fine was meant to prove a point. he was making a statement. i'm not sure he sort of fits the intent that that fine was designed for. oh, well. all right. thanks for this. this conversation is not going to end any time soon as long as we still have the threat of terrorism. jeanne meserve, thanks so much. >> you bet. >>> there are new concerns over cargo obviously on airports and that has prompted new precautions and could spell a quick end to something i enjoy a great deal given how much i travel. wi-fi on airplanes. now, it's by no means certain but some experts fear that airborne wi-fi could help terrorists detonate bombs. my next guest is an expert w

john tyners that is what is going on with him. i was completely forced into the situation. i had no options. jenna: did they follow up with you. >> no. i have followed up to file a complaint and they have not followed up. jenna: we have to run. i heard from 9-11 families, speaking out this is not a perfect process because we'll have to do something because we live in a world where people hurt us and blowing up planes. i only have 30 seconds. what would be your response to some of those families saying that? >> i hurt for them. i hurt for everybody is being subject to the sexual, you know, violating experience in the airports. you know security is obviously everybody's number one priority but you know as a law-abiding citizen, mom traveling with her infant, had no other option, no other scanner option this is completely inappropriate behavior on behalf of tsa i think there has to be some happy medium here. i'm calling for them to change this policy and stop sexually violating passengers all over the country. jenna: we appreciate you coming on sharing your story. we put your

here's my fear, if we have more john tyners who say i'm not going to do the body scanner and you can't do the patdown to me, won't we have chaos at the airport? >> the chaos will be caused by the government forcing us to make a choice between radiation to the body that can seriously harm a lot of people and this gross pornographic violation of human dignity whereby children are touched in their private parts, women, men, older folks are touched in their private parts in a way which has actually is a crime. actually is a sexual assault to touch someone's private body parts without their consent. so how is the government without a vote by the congress putting us in this bind? the government is looking for more than security. the government is looking for pushback. the government is looking for control. the government is looking for excuses. it's not keeping us safe. it's violating our dignity. >> but didn't the american public ask and request for better security at airports so we didn't have to continue to take off our shoes and throw away oliquids and now we have i and we don't like it.