they criticized pakistan for harboring militants. we have this report from new delhi. >> india has complained about pakistani support for militants crossing into its territory. launching attacks in kashmir and elsewhere. they now say the location of bin laden's i doubt, close to a military training school, proves once and for all that their nuclear armed neighbor is not to be trusted. -- they say the location of bin laden's hideout. >> this shows that militants have found sanctuary in pakistan. as long as they continue to operate freely on pakistani soil, how can i say that the threat of terror has come to an end? >> the indians fear is of another move by -- another mumbai. gunmen attack hotels, a train station, and this restaurant. people remember and they are still angry. >> i hope that pakistan understands that the state cannot stay very long with this policy of not supporting terrorism. the indians have been suffering a lot. >> earlier this year, the two governments agreed to restart the peace talks that the government broke off.

i rented a nause pakistan. when you rent a house in pakistan, the police know a great deal about the tenant. i didn't rent the house next to any large military complex. it seems very unlikely that osama bin laden would have been able to or any of his cohorts to rent a large facility with high walls that close to a military compound without at least some of the guards on the compound wanting to know who was inside this complex. i think that's one of the most difficult positions that pakistan is finding itself in right now, how can it explain that it is cooperating with the united states, $18 billion in foreign aid over the last decade as you mentioned, and yet osama bin laden was in pakistan, just 35 miles from the showcase capital islamabad. >> richard engel and chuck todd, thanks for all your reporting. we'll be following all day and on "nbc nightly news." the united states has been pakistan's banker since 2001 alone. $18 billion in civilian, government and military aid to pakistan and still osama bin laden wa

hugh burrows just returned from pakistan. welcome hugh. >> thank you good to see you. >> you couldn't have timed it any better. >> thanks for the opportunity to talk about that. it is timely not always in a good happy way but gail and i were over there on a private trip to see friends, visit hospitals and schools and college that belong to the presbyterian church that we hat gooden back it is -- had gotten back it is a point inapt experience to be in pakistan. >> you have done this before. >> for 15 years we hasn't been back for 3 or iv years i think -- or four years i think we had helped some pakistani pastors to come to the states we hasn't gone back we didn't think it would be helpful to our pakistani brothers and sisters to ferry us around. we thought e with had a nice window in which to go and we were there during the raymond davis events, which i can go into and sequenced into the tsunami in japan and is thank you for the opportunity to come on because with the events of this last week with osama bin laden we thought it

what is pakistan? >> logan: it currently has the title of "ally." >> right-- deceptive. >> logan: so you think its title should be? >> it should be a hostile country, a hostile state. >> pitts: this is jerry kane, a member of an antigovernment movement known as sovereign citizens. >> i don't want to have to kill anybody. >> pitts: kane did kill-- two police officers over a simple traffic stop. the f.b.i. now lists the group among the nation's top domestic terror threats. there are an estimated 300,000 sovereign citizens. alfred adask is one of them. you said, "we have the right to keep and bear arms in order to shoot our own politicians, to shoot the police, to shoot your local government officials, your state officials, your president, your congressman, your senators." >> yep. >> i'm steve kroft. >> i'm lesley stahl. >> i'm katie couric. >> i'm lara logan. >> i'm byron pitts. >> i'm scott pelley. those stories tonight on "60 minutes." [ male announcer ] your hard work has paid off. and you want to pas

. >> you have to give pakistan a title. is it a friend? what is pakistan? >> reporter: it currently has the title of ally. >> right. deceptive. >> reporter: so you think its title should be? >> it should be a hostile country. a hostile estate. >> reporter: so pakistan is the enemy of the u.s.? >> the amount of pain pakistan has inflicted upon the united states in the past 12 years is unprecedented. no other country has inflicted that amount of pain upon your nation. >> reporter: that pain is pakistan's long-term support for al qaeda and its allies. battling u.s. forces in afghanistan. today, the president's counterterrorism chief also seemed to point the finger at pakistan. >> i think it's inconceivable that bin laden did not have a support system in the country that allowed him to remain there for an extended period of time. >> reporter: that was more blunt than secretary of state hillary clinton whose carefully worded statement seemed mindful of the fact that the u.s. still needs pakistan's help in the war on terror. >> o

it... these are unfair allegations on pakistan. pakistan has done so much. we have lost over 3,000 soldiers and officers in this war. we have cleared so many areas. so many al qaeda leaders have been apprehended by our intelligence agencies. of course, there was a sharing of intelligence with the other side, as well. so, with these kind of performance and record, if still someone is not satisfied, then we are not to be blamed in this. >> smith: but frontline's investigation found that taliban leaders still move freely around the country. my colleague, stephen grey, made contact with a taliban commander currently sheltering in pakistan. he arranged to meet him just outside the capital, islamabad, not far from where osama bin laden was killed. the commander told us how dependent the taliban is on sanctuary in pakistan to wage war across the border. >> grey: is the border hard to cross? >> frankly, we don't know on any given time or day what side the pakistanis are on. there is overwhelming evidence that, you know, even as the pakistani government takes, you kn

compound in pakistan. a small team of americans carry out the operation with the extraordinary courage and ability. no americans were harmed. they took care to avoid civilian casualties. after a firefight, they killed osama bin laden and took custody of his body. >> now, live pictures from the united states. americans celebrating the news that bin laden has been killed. crowds are gathering outside the white house on this may 1. here is a look back to the life of osama bin laden. >> the most wanted man is now dead. osama bin laden was sought by security forces before the attack of 2001. he has dominated global consciousness ever since. he was born in saudi arabia in 1957. he was the son of a prominent businessman of colossal wealth. at the age of 14, inherited more than $300 million. this general knew him as a school board. >> he was one of the lightest and most kind boys in the school. he kept to himself. he was very religious. -- this general knew him as a schoolboy. >> he would not participate in the sh

if this becomes pakistan's war, i think pakistan will win the war. if it's perceived that pakistan army is a mercenary army of the u.s., we have no chance of winning. >> i agree the scale of human tragedy is beyond words. we all share the concerns about that. something you just said i am troubled by. you said if it is the pakistani war against terror, you will win. at the same time the leader of your military is refusing to pursue the leaders of al qaeda and some of the most violent terrorist groups in pakistan. why should we in the united states have confidence that the pakistani military is going to do everything it can do to pursue terrorists? >> well, this is why i'm saying the fact u.s. thinks pakistan military is playing a double game can only be because they want the u.s. money and at the same time they are patronizing terrorists. i guess that's what the pakistan army is being accused of. if we don't take any aid, if we have a credible government, the interest is there should be no terrorism from pakistani soil. a credible government should sa

a support system in pakistan. congress gave president obama is standing ovation. and he was watching from the situation room. we take a tour of osama bin laden to hideout. also coming up in the program, sony says hackers may have stolen the details of 25 million on-line games. and mental deterioration in old age. ♪ the united states says it is closing its embassy in islamabad had done with three other cities until further notice. that is following the killing of u.s. forces of osama bin laden at his complex, a few hours' drive from his love of god. -- islamabad. the president of pakistani confirmed that the operation was not a joint one. we will bring you the latest from pakistan and the u.s. throughout the course of the day. here is this report from our washington correspondent. >> anxious moments at the white house as president obama and his pfizer's watched the operation in real time to catch osama bin laden -- >> we were concerned about pakistan. we were watching and making sure that our aircraft was able to

pakistan is a large country. we are looking right now at how he was able to hold out there for so long and whether or not there was any type of support system witn pakistan that allowed him to stay there. we know that the people at the compound there wereorking on his behalf and that's how we ultimately found our way to that compound. but we are right now less than 24 hours after this operation so we are talking with the pakistanis on a regular basis now and we're going to pursue alleads to find out exactly what type of support system and benefactors that bin laden might have had. >> reporter: but you don't necessarily assume that they did snow >> we're following all leads in this issue. >> reporter: just to follow up on that? is it really credible pakistani authorities had no idea this compound was built and that he existed in such an elaborate compound? >> i think it's inconceivable that bin laden did not have a support system in the country that allowehim to remain there for an extended period of time. i am no

the same time the people of pakistan have lived rejected the. ideology that is attributed to osama bin laden a long time ago we have terrorists in the partisan who are working on the same ideology attacking pakistani state and if you look at the statements that have come from the usama bin laden camp in the past and from. as well where they have openly called to attack the pakistani state and the pakistani army so it doesn't make any sense for me to even consider the possibility that the pakistani state would be protecting a man who promotes attacking the pakistani state so you know i just it's sounds really ridiculous but again if i help if i can say with you i mean how do you how is it that he was there a living in a compound i don't know how palatial it was i mean it looks like it was some reports it was a cost a million dollars i was very well protected i mean somebody knew he was there. so you think there's been various reports that have come in over the past few years about his location so it's obvious that he has been moving he has been o

there's more questions than answers i at this point here but i mean when you look at pakistan would you say that the bush slash obama war on terror as it can be called a success by any any to mention whatsoever. i think you just have to look at the situation in pakistan today and compare it to what it was before the before the occupation of afghanistan began and now today we have insurgencies in different provinces in pakistan we have daily terror attacks in which. you know hundreds of thousands of thousands of civilians to some numbers have put up to thirty thousand civilians have died in the last ten years in pakistan just from the terror attacks so i don't see this being any in any way a success even though some of the lardons killing will probably generate more and more such attacks and if you look at the kind of success that obama is saying that this could be for afghanistan then that doesn't make any sense either because some bin laden has been a man on the run he's got no operational capabilities not been involved in in battle he's not been involved in any way in the in the l

but i also know this, the importance of a stable pakistan is extremely important, not just to pakistan, but to the region and to the united states. as we're thinking about how we're going to look at our policy, that has to be kept in mind as well. >> captain, appreciate your time. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> if you haven't paid 4 bucks a gallon for gas yet, you will soon. plus, hacked again. millions more gamers could be at risk for identity theft. be right back. ♪ [ male announcer ] in 2011, at&t is at work, building up our wireless network all across america. we're adding new cell sites... increasing network capacity, and investing billions of dollars to improve your wireless network experience. from a single phone call to the most advanced data download, we're covering more people in more places than ever before in an effort to give you the best network possible. at&t. rethink possible. >>> the average price of a gallon of gas is closing in on 4 bucks across the nation. new numbers from aaa shows we're paying $3.97 a gallon on average, 32 cents higher than a month ago and

pakistan relationship. we must make this relationship work. despite the killing of at osama bin laden, the fact is the threat from al qaeda and affiliate groups remains as dangerous as it did last friday. in fact, cia director panetta warned yesterday that terrorists almost certainly will attempt to avenge him, and we must remain vigilant and resolute. if anything, the threat is even more dangerous in the days and weeks ahead after his demise. this was most obvious last may when a pakistani born u.s. citizen trove and suv into times square and attempted to killed hundreds of people. he traveled to pakistan and received training from ttp. his attack was retribution for u.s. crowns in pakistan. retribution has been a driver of attacks in the past, and we must be on guard. i look forward to hearing from today's witnesses on the myriad of terrorist groups operating in pakistan and their intent and capability to strike the homeland for. these a wharf is in a continually evolving groups present huge challenges to

pakistan is released done by the suggestions of the cia that it could not let its allies in pakistan intelligence know anything in advance about the planned raid on an osama bin laden. it is clear that the reformation would leak out and reach the intended target. in the words of the foreign secretary in share, pakistan is played a pivotal role in the global effort against extremism and its cooperation with united states over the years has been extensive. this report from my colleague in islamabad. >> pakistan security personnel stand guard around the compound were osama bin laden lives. washington says it did not give islam a bad any advance warning that the operation was about to again -- about to begin, for. that deadline would be averted. the dismissed these claims. to get the fact is that this particular occasion, it was pointed out by our intelligence question time ago to the u.s. intelligence, and they have the more sophisticated group to evaluate and assess. but it is a fact that most of these things that have happened in terms of success in what is called the global anti- ter

how is the drug trafficking into pakistan how is he didn't. oh it's hidden the save a drug barons operate the save all of the word it goes to tyson and central asian republics it goes from here on it goes through others and sources and we happen to be one of the tribe it only goes country it goes to pakistan also the wild turkey thirty five percent flow from pakistan they'd use all the means whether it's the old man his men back. crossing into. to our western regions and take it on the board and in way is that they did all six it's a water which is continuously going on they would out there for a few days then change to the next then to the next so there are medications on the other side which is doing it is very smart very as i and very well informed and we continue to fight that we continue to fight that. and it's an ongoing war which is going on makes us diplomatic cables points to corruption involved controls between afghanistan and pakistan through which drugs. what's being done to tackle cross corruption cross border corruption different

we have had difficulty with pakistan, as i said, but we've also had to work closely with pakistan in our countered-terror efforts. more terrorists and extremists have been captured in pakistan than in the world. >> but you won't share the details with us. >> that's not a matter of trust, it's a matter of national security. when the president was briefed on this operation and the suspicion we had that the compound in abbottabad was probably harboring bin laden, he said from the beginning we have to have the absolute tightest operation security on this. why? one, because if it leaked at all, he would have been out of there, right? and two, obviously, we have an obligation to protect the safety and security of our operators. so we only shared this operation with a very small circle within our own government. and to share it with any government outside the united states would have been to lose control of dissem nation which would not have been in the national interest. it's the extraordinary actions of this operation that we were able to maintain national security for as long as we did.

. >> pakistan media is not confirming the incident. one of our contacts called us late last night saying that some sort of attack was unfolding. he believed it was a high priority target. there have been attacks in the past. there was no confirmation. this morning when obama addressed his nation, it became clear that what our source was telling us was indeed that attack. according to him, a number of helicopters were going to locations. he said there were four or five loud explosions and that was the operation in which the u.s. force was used. there have been earlier reports not confirmed yet that they were already in pakistan waiting for the opportune moment. when they had credible information, they would go for their man, osama bin laden, after 10 years. >> tell us more about the area where the attack took place. we have heard osama bin laden -- obama mention the location. where is that. >> it is about 68 kilometers from islamabad. it is about two hours away. it is the winter capital of the province. it is the official home to the co

it happened in pakistan. they took custody of his remains, they are being handled in islamic tradition. these are the people gathered outside of the white house. after this global mamanhunt that has lasted almost a decade. president bush also issued a that dress. we'll be right back. >> vicki: the most intense manhunt has finally caught up with osama bin laden. he has been killed, as news of the death spread a large crowd gathered in front of the white house to celebrate. they're waiting american lakes. word from experts in lhasa angeles state police will step of monitoring. the state department putting u.s. embassies on alert warning americans of possible reprisal attacks. president barack obama no longer but the no. 2 man is still there. we will have much more on this coming up @@@ ♪ [ woman ] this icelandic mud was working wonders on my skin. but if it was going to do the same for my spa, i had to figure out a way to get it back to the states. so i called my citibank small business expert. he got me a li

but one thing nato would be concerned about, if you don't have a reliable ally in pakistan, if pakistan is not going to keep those supply lines open, it is going to have a huge effect on the war in afghanistan. if you listen to president barack obama, he talks about this as af-pak. despite the disagreements and the lack of trust, at the end of the day, they're going to have to find a way to work together. or the situation with the militants on this side of the border and the other is certainly not going to get any better. >> stan, thank you so much. >>> we're going to touch on a case that has quite a few people fired up in this country, a mother with stage iv cancer losing primary custody of her children. but is there more to this story? our legal guys will be weighing in. >>> plus, the republican presidential field grows larger. the newly declared candidates next. what's this option? that's new. personal pricing now on brakes. tell us what you want to pay. we do our best to make that work. deal! my money. my choice. my meineke. >>> two big-name republicans are officially in the run for

the question about pakistan. where is he? pakistan. do the pakistanis know? now pakistan is involved. look at the map of where they found bin laden. they found bin laden in the compound. this is 1,000 yards away from bin laden's house. that's it. bin laden's house is surrounded by 18-foot walls and barbed wire. it's not exactly subtle. the town is filled with retired generals. pakistan is not looking good in this scenario. if you knew since august, did you not have that debate inside the administration behind closed doors? and think through what is going to happen with pakistan if we go in and take out bin laden? what to say to them? what to say to your own people and what to say to the whole world. the administration is trying to make us believe they didn't have the conversations. the administration are criticizing pakistan and demand we reconsider the $3 billion in aid we give to them. think of that. $3 billion in aid. what do we do? we give them the aid because if we don't the moderate will collapse. it would cripple them if we cut it off. others in the ad

the aid that goes to pakistan. if you are convinced or persuaded that they have not been full partners, is this money that you can imagine pulling out? >> i think we should condition the money going forward. i would want to add, gwen, that the civilian government i think is well intentioned. i take president za cary's commence at their face value and with the deeply felt way in which he shares them with us. this is really about the pakistani military and the infamous i.s.i., their intelligence service. they have to work with us in a true alliance. we've had scratchy moments over these last months with them. this is probably the ultimate scratchy moment but if they're not going to come clean and work with us in ways that we both can be successful in this important alliance then that money ought to be more conditioned than it is today. >> ifill: senator chambliss on the money question. well, we have to remember that we went in to a relationship with pakistan knowing it's a very corrupt government, knowing that it's s

we care about pakistan because of pakistan. for too long, we have been having a discussion about pakistan and and how can help us and lay afghanistan, which is not the way we should approach pakistan's policy. they probably have the densest concentration of militant islamists in the world. it is a dangerous co. -- dangerous country, a poor country but there is potential. it has been under military control defacto which has been the stabilizing. ultimately, -- has been destabilizing. in my view, there are three fundamental things that have to happen in pakistan in order for anything to change. the hardest one and the last one is that the ruling elite, military and civilian, will have to come to a consensus on the need to accept what will be a long, unpleasant and bloody struggle to eliminate islamist organizations that have permeated the society in pakistan. the ruling elite will first have to come to a consensus that all islamist groups are threat and they cannot be parsed, which is what's the policy in pakistan has been hither

>> reporter: i rented a house in pakistan. when you rent a house, you have to go to the state officials, you register it, you write down every bit of personal details. they photocopy your passport. they send an official to the house to check up on you. it's not an anonymous process. it's a detailed file, particularly in elite military areas like this one. >> i have a conclusion, they definitely knew. the question is who knew. could it be possible some parts of the military knew? but the leadership didn't know? >> reporter: we were told that no senior ranking military officers knew. i don't know what "senior" means exactly, if that means colonels and above, generals and above. it does sound that lower-level military officers did know who was living in that compound, but we're told not the top levels of the pakistani intelligence agency. >> who is telling us that? richard, who is telling us that? >> u.s. officials. >> but they have to protect relationships with pakistan, which you saw brennan doing as well. what is the state of

how is the drug trafficking into pakistan how does hayden. oh it's hidden the same be drug barons operated the save the all of the word it goes through dies down in central asian republics it goes from here on it goes through other sources and we haven't we one of the truthers from you goes country he goes to pakistan also won't take you thirty five percent approval from pakistan they do it all the means read that it's your first man back. pricing into. two other western regions and take it on the board and in me is their data dog you're sick it's a water which is continuously going on they would all method for a few days then change to the next then to the next so their organization on the other side which is doing it is very smart very educated and very well informed and we continue to fight there and we continue to fight that. and it's an ongoing war which is going on makes us diplomatic cables points to corruption in border controls between afghanistan and pakistan through which drugs. what's being done to tackle cross border corruption c

and pakistan. so publicly you will get these messages that, yes, they're committed to renewing this relationship and trying to do more, but there is a private side as well. and with so much pressure from the public here who point to their own government and say why are we doing the bidding of the united states when it only causes more problems for us here, when we are the ones who actually suffer from these attacks, and you often find both the military and the government here playing to those anti-american fears. so once again, saying one thing on one hand to america but another thing to a domestic audience. >> okay, stan grant, thank you very much, stan. >>> here's your chance to "talk back." today we are asking, is it okay for a presidential candidate to avoid the media? carol costello here to explain if it's even possible. >> here's the premise. let me lay this by you. are we getting to the point where democratic candidates talk mostly to msnbc and republicans talk mostly to fox news? former rep

but yes, of course. >> do you believe it's possible that pakistan, someone in pakistan, someone in the military and isi did not know? >> it's possible. you know, look, one thing that's important to realize about pakistan is that there are obviously very different currents going on within their society and institutions. but we should never forget 30,000 pakistanis have lost their lives in acts of terrorism, including 5,000 members of their security services. so i don't know, and nobody does. >> condoleezza rice referred to them during her time when she was in the white house as a full partner in the war on terror. you had praised president musharraf, as well. do you believe pakistan is still a full partner? >> i believe the people i was dealing with. the issue in pakistan is the same issue that you get everywhere, frankly. which is this battle between reforming modern open minded people versus the conservative, the very religious elements, who have sympathy with the ideology and the narrative of people like bin laden. so you've got this clash the whole time. sometimes when people say to

it happened early monday, pakistan time, at a heavily fortified compound in a city north of pakistan's capital islamabad. a team of u.s. navy s.e.a.l.s raided the compound, shot it out with bin laden and others, and killed the al qaeda leader. late last night, president obama summoned reporters to the white house press room to announce the successful mission, which followed months of intelligence work and planning. >> a small team of americans carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. no americans were harmed. >> bin laden's body was recovered and u.s. officials say it was later buried at sea. the announcement of bin laden's death triggered celebrations outside the white house, at ground zero, and elsewhere across the country. >>> this is the "cbs morning news." ? oh, bayer aspirin? i'm not having a heart attack. it's my back. it works great for pain. [ male announcer ] nothing's proven to relieve pain better than extra strength bayer aspirin. it rushes relief to the site of pain. feel better? yeah. thanks for the tip. it rushes relief to the site of pain. it

in one of the most secure towns in all of pakistan. some 120,000 retired and active duty army personnel live here. and pakistani officials insist that not one of them noticed when osama bin laden moved in. they're now desperate to put this huge embarrassment behind them. >> what we are trying to do here is to look to the future. this issue of the osama bin laden, it's history. >> reporter: but american officials want to know, were the pakistanis just incompetent whed they missed this hiding place right under their noses or did they actually collude with al qaeda? elizabeth palmer, cbs news, abbottabad, pakistan. >> couric: one man who perhaps should have known about bin laden's hiding place is pervez musharraf, the former president of pakistan. lara logan is our chief foreign affairs correspondent and lara, when you spoke with him today he seemed to get a bit defensive. >> reporter: he certainly did, katie. when general musharraf was in charge osama bin laden was already living in the compound where he was killed and we asked the gener

was wrong to cross the border and penetrate so deeply into pakistan without notifying pakistan? did the u.s. do the right thing in not telling pakistan it was pulling off this raid? >> well, yes. i will say -- i do know the u.s. policy that wherever they had declared that as far as osama bin laden is concerned, that whenever they can't get the actionable intelligence on him, they will act anywhere in the world. that was your policy. that was u.s. policy. doesn't go well with the sovereignty of any other country for that matter. in pakistan, the people's sensitivity of even drones violating our sovereignty is against. now troops coming in, helicopters and taking action is not acceptable to the people of pakistan and it does violate our sovereignty. and in the past, whenever we acted against many, many dozens of al qaeda operatives, senior ones, including sheikh muhammad, always intelligence cooperation. we cooperated with each other, identifie identified the targets. that is what used to happen. in this case, it was not done. i'm talking on my time, how it was done. and, well, th

and pakistan. i see some signs, some glimmer of hope in my conversations in pakistan with the civil and with the military that perhap the enemy is now within the country, that there needs to be some kind of normalization on the eastern border with india and maybe that will remove the role of the intelligence agencies in fomenting insurgencies or terrorist attacks or militancy across each other's borders. host: this headline from the "new york daily news," first pakistan will pay, then the u.s., the chilling message delivered by the pakistani taliban which vowed to avenge the attack on osama bin laden with strikes against america. the next call is from massachusetts on our independent line. good morning. caller: good morning. what i would like to point out is that every time all of our media people and u.s. congressmen, everybody's blaming pakistan and that pakistan cannot be trusted, and that pakistan has betrayed u.s.a. and that pakistan has got so much aid like $26 billion so far, but the point w

osama bin laden's presence in pakistan was not to pakistan's advantage. >> will heads roll? >> heads will roll once the investigation has been completed. now, if those heads are roll on account of incompetence, we will share that information with you. and if, god forbid, somebody's complicity is discovered, there will be zero tolerance for that, as well. >> pakistan's ambassador to the u.s. with our christiane amanpour. >>> and we are learning more about the bin laden tapes released this weekend. seized during the raid on his compound, one week ago. tonight, just how is the white house hoping the world views them? and in particular, members of al qaeda. here's david kerley on that part of the story tonight. >> reporter: these pictures, of the gray-bearded terrorist, watching himself on tv, are a propaganda bonanza. the u.s. is hoping just these few seconds of video shatters a decade 0 myth-making. the u.s. released this picture on purpose? >> this shows the reality. this man is not a fighter. this man is not carrying his - ak-47. >> reporter: charlie allen watched with us, a

aid into pakistan and. we have come up with some givens that they're pretty who obvious, and you have alluded to some of them, namely that we have got to do a better job of explaining the mechanics of a. what is the difference between obligated money and all of that so you do not have the spectacle of the finance minister saying we've done $345 million worth of aid, and the american say that is wrong. we have given you $900 million. we ought to be on the same sheet of music, and that is something we ought to do to clarify and explain what it is and when it is going to come out, and when it is not going to come out. it seems to me and we need a sharper focus. even though there are five priority areas -- energy, education, health -- i forget the others. it seems to me when i look at this thing is all over the place, and it would be better if we did in one or two things where we could make a difference, and which could be just education, health, something like that. that is not my question. it turns out that o

if this becomes pakistan's war, i think pakistan will win the war. if it's perceived that pakistan army is a mercenary army of the u.s., we have no chance of winning. >> i agree the scale of human tragedy is beyond words. we all share the concerns about that. something you just said i am troubled by. you said if it is the pakistani war against terror, you will win. at the same time the leader of your military is refusing to pursue the leaders of al qaeda and some of the most violent terrorist groups in pakistan. why should we in the united states have confidence that the pakistani military is going to do everything it can do to pursue terrorists? >> well, this is why i'm saying the fact u.s. thinks pakistan military is playing a double game can only be because they want the u.s. money and at the same time they are patronizing terrorists. i guess that's what the pakistan army is being accused of. if we don't take any aid, if we have a credible government, the interest is there should be no terrorism from pakistani soil. a credible government should sa

what pakistan chooses to do and what happens in pakistan in fact can have more to do with determining the course of events in afghanistan than almost any other single thing. if out of this osama bin laden event pakistan now decides to really engage in a very different strategic relationship, if they go after the fatah, if they were to say we're expelling all foreign nationals who are here illegally, if they have a different i.s.i.-relationship with us, if they were to move to engage in a different kind of cooperative effort on the ground, that could significantly-- and i do mean significantly-- change the dynamic with the taliban, the possibilities of reconciliation, the possibilities of negotiation, and ultimately the numbers of troops that are in afghanistan. remember, no military leader of ours-- and i think no civilian person has said there is anything but a non-military solution to afghanistan. we have to have a political solution. >> schieffer: all right. >> and i think we have a better chance of getting that now. >> schieffer: senator, thank you so much. good luck on that missi

we believe he is in pakistan in that region and now is a good time to talk to our pakistan friends and suggest that they be more forthcoming about mulla omar who set in motion the events that led to 9/11. so, what we are learning about the pakistani involvement here is disturbing. we need to no more. tonight is the night to celebrate and appreciate our men and women who reporting lived their lives to bring justice about but it does expos a problem we have. >> you mentioned pakistan and the relationship going forward. there are a lot of questions as you mentioned but the leverage potentially to get other action, do you think it is legitimate? do you think that being shamed by perhaps this happening 60 miles north of islamabad in what is dee dee scribed as a huge compound that everyone would be aware was there, what do you think that has an effect on the relationship? >> well, i think it will have an effect. i think it will -- the question i will ask the next time i'm in pakistan is how could this be. how did this happen? what is your explanation as to how it compound was created. did yo

between india and pakistan. u.s. pakistan relations. in many ways this is the preeminent dialogue that determines everything else in that region in many ways. it is also the dialogue that has an impact on civil military relations and pakistan. my fear is that just as there was once. there may be another. then what will happen? will it be the road again? and what if who we irresponsible remarks of the indian side as we saw recently by the indian army chief and, if the americans can do it so can we. but, of course the americans can. but then of course you can't. the a proper response was given not to the americans but pakistan military but to the indians which has created another problem. intelligence told parliament that if india were to undertake any such venture regardless of whether we knew that there were doing it all we found a later we had already earmarked targets and time rehearsals and exercises in the way in which we will kickback. of course parliament caravan. so those are the issues right now. could news and bad news. thank y

thatou mentioned questions would be raised about pakistan, understandably, and the role of pakistan. for you and your counterterrorism not come in the wake of the agreement -- counter-terrorism job come in the wake of the raymond davis episode and the fact that this was done without consultation, are you worried? >> they are expressing understanding about the reasons why we did this. they are appreciative that it was done without having pakistani casualty's outside the compound. if the u.s.-pakistani relationship, which is the strategic relationship, goes on a number of different areas and levels -- counterterrorism is one of them. it is a complicated matter. we don't always agree on some of the things we wanted to buy through that communication, we get to where we want to be. we look forward to continuing to work with our pakistani colleagues, because they are as much if not more on the front lines of the battle against terrorism. >> how certain are you that there will be some kind of movement to avenge this debt, some kind of retaliation if you still had the color-coded alerts, wou

pakistan is a large country. we are looking right now at how he was able to hold out there for so long and whether or not there is any kind of support system within pakistan that allowed him to stay there. we know the people of the compound were working on his behalf and that's what we ultimately found our way to the compound. we are right now after a -- 24 hours after the operation and we are talking to the pakistani and we will pursue this to find out what kind of support system and benefactors bin laden might have had. >> is it really credible that pakistani authorities had no idea that this compound was built? >> i think it's inconceivable that bin laden did not have a support system in the country that allowed him to remain there in the country for this amount of time. i will not speculate about what type of support he might have had on an official basis inside pakistan. we are closely talking to the pakistan is right now. we are leaving open opportunities to pursue whatever leads might be out there. >> what

trying to split pakistan into seeing. you're going to get a collision between the united states and china and at that point russia will also have to respond in some way what you're seeing is how the decline of empire can lead to war by miscalculation the u.s. ruling elite is in a frenzy because they are trying to stop saudi arabia and pakistan from leaving the empire for making a jail break from bolting out from under us hegemony so that is why they've chosen to liquidate hundreds of billions of dollars they've invested in the mythological figure of of bin laden they wouldn't be doing that if it weren't something big it goes far beyond obama's fortunes at the polls it's an attempt to try to save the us position in the world i think it's very unlikely however i see i'm sorry to cut you off or go off and if their investigative journalist webster tarpley. on our web site we're asking how you think the death of bin laden will change the international terrorism situation so far the overwhelming majority of respondents believes

and pakistan and nato chopper opened fire on pakistani troops and of pakistan's prime minister said that china is their dearest bestest friend so is this an indicator the u.s. relations with pakistan have completely gone down the drain that it's a magical world where all of the information on the internet is factually correct that's an idea that former president bill clinton wants to make a reality by setting up a government agency to do it we'll see if this might be his worst idea to date that the supreme court made a surprising ruling the police can ensure your home without a warrant if they smell marijuana and if they hear of you destroying that evidence so should we be concerned high justice is now given that kind of power to local law enforcement and more importantly is this the end of the fourth amendment as we know it then it us manufacturing is it just a thing of the past we'll take a look at how the era of american industry is dying and will determine what it will take to bring it back all those stories plus happy hour on tonight's show but first let's move on to our top story.

how should president obama withach relationshi pakistan? >> you have to take a look at the relationship with pakistan in the war of terror and put it in the context of them having a nuclear weapon. we don't want pakistan to fall off the path that is the right path. we want to work very carefully with them so that they don't tip to the point where their government will fall into the control of the islamist extremists that would have access to a nuclear weapon. can we depend on them all the time? probably not. we have to use prudence and be careful. but we want them on our side and we cannot afford to have them be an enemy in this process. >> what you were working with president bush, the vice president was dick cheney. he has been speaking to the media in the past 24 hours a, suggesting a valuable information was gained in the raid from people at guantanamo bay. do you think the killing of osama bin laden justifies what happens there? >> i don't know the source of information that led to a osama bin laden opposing the whereabouts. i suspect