. >> that's erin burnett laying out the case for this long-term austerity vision. and then, you know, there's a case embedded in what erin burnett was saying in how -- i think there was a case that made to the run up of the debt ceiling deal. the long term cbo physical projections in the out years are producing in this moment uncertainty, anxiety, paralysis among the job creators that is at the cause of the stalled recovery. do you think that's a strong argument? >> well, the argument that i find more compelling relates actually to an argument that representative cohen raised earlier on. when he was raised about defense expenditures, he mentioned these guys are evasively spread. and that creates a dynamic in which we tend to spend more and more. that's an upward ratchet. they make themselves a strong political coalition. i would argue if you look at medical providers, you see a more persuasive political -- you see where we will cut x amount of spending, and that's interpreted as you are attacking people that want medical care, rather than let's saying let's raise m
and they think erin brockovich can help me, and they report it to me. >> that's fascinating. >> i saw a movie once and i think i should e-mail that woman. >> yeah, that would be my alias, julia roberts. >> yeah, i wonder if she gets hundreds of e-mails reporting clusters. >> i don't know. well, that's the point here. if we don't look to what the people are saying to us, what is happening to them, and in some way be able to report it effectively, then we're never going to know. if nobody ever knows, then we will never find a solution. when i look at the map, it tells me there is something going on out there that we need to at least look at. >> and there are sites all over the country, and what is remarkable, just how many toxic sites there are around the country. michelle and i work in brooklyn, and there's a canal which i walk over every day, and there are super fun sites and toxic sites all over the place that people don't recognize. i want to talk about the politics after this break. lap! [ male announcer ] your favorite foods fighting you? fight back fast with tums. calcium rich tu
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