just a really nice guy as an associate of the late serial killer and rapist john wayne gacy famously put it. then it got me thinking, which is always dangerous. how does this happen? how are so many, so fooled by some so evil, or at the very least charged with something so evil? i suspect maybe they're too busy to psychoanalyze, and others too normal to consider some around them being abnormal. which might explain normal people dealing with abnormal people by bringing them up through the normal chain of command. maybe too focused on the here and now. building a brand to consider the well documented report of detailing a dark side of a guy single handedly destroying it. it happens all the time. ask any corporate whistle blower who dares to report the underbelly of the otherwise much beloved corporate peace. they end up being the beast, the ones talking about the beast. not the guys running the beast. beast is hard to ignore.

just a really nice guy as an associate of the late serial killer and rapist john wayne gacy famously put it. then it got me thinking, which is always dangerous. how does this happen? how are so many, so fooled by some so evil, or at the very least charged with something so evil? i suspect maybe they're too busy to psychoanalyze, and others too normal to consider some around them being abnormal. which might explain normal people dealing with abnormal people by bringing them up through the normal chain of command. maybe too focused on the here and now. building a brand to consider the well documented report of detailing a dark side of a guy single handedly destroying it. it happens all the time. ask any corporate whistle blower who dares to report the underbelly of the otherwise much beloved corporate peace. they end up being the beast, the ones talking about the beast. not the guys running the beast. beast is hard to ignore. beastly headline simply too hard to stop.

>> well, i would say, i would say someone like john wayne gaysy, people like that. i'm not going to miss him really honestly. >> charlie: was he from your neighborhood back there. >> well, not far, no. i wasn't from chicago but i was living there then. >> charlie: right. >> you know, there are people who commit acts that are so appalling that i don't see it as so ereme. and the second thing i would say, who is the final arbitrator of life and death. are only murderers the fina arbitrators to life and death. charlie: or is it state. >> or is it the state and society meaning to at least a great par its citizens. i would say it should be a power with the citizens. the state that have capital punishment have them. those that don't, don't. but of course, you know, know barry schek and there are many people who wen't even in the states. >> charlie: because of the prevalence of dna evidence today they're able to show that they couldn't have done it. >> yes. so to me it a very -- >> charlie: juries make mistake. >> absolutely and it's a very gray area a that's a mistake you

the birthplace of both john wayne and johnny carson. right now, it is the only race like this in the nation. republican and democrat incumbents in a duel to the end. >> you put a gun to my head i couldn't tell you who wins. >> normal lek year you get so few party seats switching hands. this is going to be one of those races. this is going to be the race, money pouring in from both sides. will this be the most expensive race you have been involved in? >> it probably will. >> how much will the winner or the close loser have to raise in this case? >> i don't know. >> we have heard $3.5 million aside. >> it's possible. >> together, $7 million. >> at some point voters would say give me the money because $7 million can buy a lot in des moines, iowa. >> how are you doing? >> good. >> for boswell, it will mean raising twice what he spent a year ago. this next race, you spent $1.5 million in the last race. in next race -- >> going to cost more. >> tighter. >> yeah. >> costing you even more and because seats in congress rarely turn red to "d" or

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john wayne airport. jacksonville international. and then sacramento international. so, which airports will actually be the busiest? that's after the break. >>> so before the break we named the five least busy airports for the thanksgiving travel season. what are the busiest? you probably guessed it. los angeles international. chicago o'hare. orlando. san francisco. and boston's logan international airport. all busy places. probably unavoidable if you're trying to get to grandma's house. the holidays are right around the concern. a lot of folks are making travel plans for the next set of holiday getaway opportunities. we have six ways to safe big bucks. good to see you guys. >> hey, fred, how are you. >> great to see you. >> we're staying at home for the holidays. >> you're staying in west palm beach. for those who want to fly you have some great travel ideas how to save money or at least get the best deal. so buy your tickets right now for one? >> 40 million traveling over the holidays and the fact of the matter the airlines boosting their fares -- >> what a surpris

the birthplace of both john wayne and johnny carson. right now, it is the only race like this in the nation. republican and democrat incumbents in a duel to the end. >> you put a gun to my head i couldn't tell you who was going to win. >> normal election be years you get so few seats is switching hands. this is going to be one of those races. this is going to be the race, money pouring in from both sides. will this be the most expensive race you have been involved in? >> it probably will. >> how much will the winner or the close loser have to raise in this case? >> i don't know. >> we have heard $3.5 million a side. >> it's possible. >> together, $7 million. >> at some point, voters would say give me the money because $7 million can buy a lot in des moines, iowa. >> how are you doing? >> good. >> for boswell, it will mean raising twice what he spent a year ago to survive a hard fight. this next race, you spent $1.5 million in the last race. this next race -- >> going to cost more. >> tighter. >> yeah. >> costing even more. and because s

. >> and serial killers like jeffrey dahmer and john wayne gacy. >> he admired their boldness, their fearlessness, and their power. he was a man who felt powerless. >> according to criminologist james fox, the motives of a rampage killer or mass murderer are very different from those of a serial killer. like other experts we talked to for this broadcast, james fox has spent his professional life studying murder, including mass murder. >> serial killers generally kill because they like it. it makes them feel superior. mass killers generally kill to express their hostility, their anger. >> why don't you tell the family what you guys did to me when i was young? you in particular. tell them. tell them about it all. you [ muted ] pig. >> this young white male with his problems, his frustrations, and his inability to deal with them fits the profile of many mass murderers and rampage killers. >> typically, a mass killer is having problems not just in one area of life but in every important area of life. terres had trouble having a sexual relationship with women. but he also had trouble hold

the birthplace of both john wayne and johnny carson. right now, it is the only race like this in the nation. republican and democrat incumbents in a duel to the end. >> you put a gun to my head i couldn't tell you who wins. >> this is going to be one of those races. this is going to be the race, money pouring in from both sides. will this be the most expensive race you have been involved in? >> it probably will. >> how much will the winner or the close loser have to raise in this case? >> i don't know. >> we have heard $3.5 million aside. >> it's possible. >> together, $7 million. >> at some point voters would say give me the money because $7 million can buy a lot in des moines, iowa. >> how are you doing? >> good. >> for boswell, it will mean raising twice what he spent a year ago. this next race, you spent $1.5 million in the last race. in next race -- >> going to cost more. >> tighter. >> yeah. >> costing you even more and because seats in congress rarely turn red to "d" or "d" to red, this is a race where both sides are jumping all

in my fbi unit we met with people like john wayne gacy, who killed dozens of teenage boys and buried them in his basement. and joseph paul franklin, a violent drifter who targeted interracial couples. every one of these guys has something to teach us, and what i learned from them has helped put other serial killers away. in just a few moments, you'll meet a man who embodies every parent's worst nightmare. he preys on friend's children, easy targets he called them. a killer hiding in plain sight, he used his friendship to mount the ultimate betrayal. >> the story of joseph's kondro's arrest begins the same way a lot of murder stories begin, with a mystery. longview, washington, may 15, 1985. 8-year-old rima traxler disappears on her way home from school. >> my daughter was the light of my life. she was my sunshine. she was my -- she was the air that i breathe. she was a beautiful, happy, loving little girl. >> police spent years chasing leads on the missing child. the investigation turned up nothing solid. for years, it was an open wound for the community. in time, the memory of rima

i mean, why don't we ask john wayne bobbitt's severed penis? [ laughter and applause ] >> jimmy: curiosities from the '80s and '90s. >> get balloon boy's opinion. >> jimmy: balloon boy. i love the balloon boy. >> tonya harding. i don't know. >> jimmy: oh, my gosh. it is getting -- it is kind of wild. i mean, you say -- right now, it changes every day but mitt romney has been in the lead. >> mitt romney has not been in the lead, jimmy. >> jimmy: no? newt? him and newt, right? >> well, now it's about neck and neck with them. but, poor mitt romney, i feel so bad for mitt romney because he's the steady one. he's always got like 23-24% but while he's been in the race, everybody else has taken turns being more popular. that republican electorate just does not like him. so, for a while, trump led him, them michele bachmann led him, [ hushed boos ] >> then rick perry -- [ light laughter ] led him, then herman cain led him. then the underwear bomber. [ light laughter ] bed bugs, poison cantaloupe, dr. conrad murray. >> jimmy: i forgot about that cantalo

the birthplace of both john wayne and johnny carson. right now it is the only race like this in the nation. republican and democrat incumbents in a duel to the end. >> you put a gun to my head, i couldn't tell you who is going to win. >> this is going to be one of those races. this is going to be the race, money pouring in from both sides. will this be the most expensive race you have been involved in? >> it probably will. >> how much will the winner or the close loser have to raise in this race? >> i don't know. >> we have heard $3.5 million aside. >> it's possible. >> together, $7 million. >> at some point voters would say give me the money because $7 million can buy a lot in des moines, iowa. >> how are you doing? >> good. >> for boswell, it will mean raising twice what he spent a to survive a hard fight a year ago. this next race, you spent $1.5 million in the last race. in next race -- >> going to cost more. >> tighter. >> yeah. >> costing you even more and because seats in congress rarely turn red to "d" or "d" to red, this is a r

just like john wayne was from waterloo, iowa. that's the kind of spirit that i have, too. the woman that came up crying to me tonight after the debate, her daughter suffered mental retardation as a result of that vaccine. now with the president, he put us in libya. he is now putting us in africa. >> there's more, but we got other stories we have to do tonight. we have to move along. for michele bachmann to say she hasn't had a gaffe is laughable "psycho talk." >>> newt gingrich denies he was a lobbyist for freddie mac, he was just a strategic adviser. gingrich has explaining to do about $840,000 he got from the chamber of commerce. joan walsh is next on that issue. >>> is the war on christmas officially over? bill o'reilly isn't declaring victory just yet? mike papantonio and lizz winstead, they weigh in. we know a place where tossing and turning have given way to sleeping. where sleepless nights yield to restful sleep. and lunesta can help you get there, like it has for so many people before. when taking lunesta, don't drive or operate machinery until you feel fully awake

it wasn't typical where john wayne rides into the wilderness alone. it's about the formation of a community. they a build school, teacher comes to town, a dentist mes to town, there's a newsper it's about communi building. that was what the west was really like. and he cap captures tha >> rose: while you were saying that after the last book on the brain,s whereour curiosity these days about things non-political? >> it's gon more into values and virtues and so one of the things i've been thinking about is a transformation from a culture of self-effacement to a culture of self-expansion. and if you go to the 1950s there was a culture that said "i'm no better than anybody else and nobody's better than me." over the last 30 or 40 years there's been a rise of self-approval and narcissism so one study that illustrate this is, gallup organization in 1950 asked high school seniors idea yoa very importantern? " in 195012% said they asked that qstion again 2005 and it wasn't 12% it was 80%. so you see a different sense of who you are. a sense of, yeah, i'm real

it wasn't typical where john wayne rides into the wilderness alone. it's about the formation of a community. they a build school, teacher comes to town, a dentist mes to town, there's a newsper it's about communi building. that was what the west was really like. and he cap captures tha >> rose: while you were saying that after the last book on the brain,s whereour curiosity these days about things non-political? >> it's gon more into values and virtues and so one of the things i've been thinking about is a transformation from a culture of self-effacement to a culture of self-expansion. and if you go to the 1950s there was a culture that said "i'm no better than anybody else and nobody's better than me." over the last 30 or 40 years there's been a rise of self-approval and narcissism so one study that illustrate this is, gallup organization in 1950 asked high school seniors idea yoa very importantern? " in 195012% said yes. they asked that qstion again 2005 and it wasn't 12% it was 80%. so you see a different sense of who you are. a sense of, yeah, i'm

wayne gacy, it's cereal like cheerios and smart starts, c-e-r-e-a-l, tell us a little bit about him and why he was critical to the tactics and strategy in executing this deal. >> well, i think the deal with sam zell was the deal from hell, and the tribune made a stop in purgatory first when it bought times mirror. [laughter] and it was, it was -- you know, basically, the atmosphere at the time was buy or be bought. and everybody, aol and time warner had just merged, and things were going quite well. and so when the tribune decided to buy this, things looked pretty good, the future looked pretty bright. we paid a lot of money for it, and it was -- and the way the deal was structured is we bought the company even though mark willis, the cereal killer who was the ceo of times mirror -- and, by the way, he got that title, he used to be the co-chairman of general mills where they made all the cereal. [laughter] and the staff of the l.a. times was phenomenal -- if staff of the l.a. times would have done as well at journalism as they did with coming up with nicknames, we wouldn't be talkin

>>catherine: a big break in the case of the serial killer john wayne gacy he killed a total of 33 young men and boys between 1932 and 1978. last month and begin to dna tests family members of potential victims. american airlines has filed for bankruptcy and has tried to cut labor costs and reduce its debt. the company blames rising fuel costs and increase competition for its money problems. a spokesperson for san jose airport expects no major changes at this point. >> they sent us a letter this morning to make the announcement and to confirm their intentions to continue normal operations to honor all of their tickets and reservations. we do not see any immediate impact. we will see american flights of for a long time. this will depend on the american success in restructuring. >>catherine: american airlines is not think that there'll be any new changes to the schedule and they say there will be no impact to frequent flier programs that came as good news to one passenger whose family has more than 100,000 mi. on american. >> i was very concerned we have accumulated a lot and we were hopin

a gun used by the jesse james game and a costume worn by killer clown john wayne casey. we're not talking about the martha stewart collection here. welcome to the national museum of crime and punishment in washington. where felons, firearms and findish artifacts line the walls and send chills down the spine. the exhibits fascinate. >> how can you do something so horrific and so random and could it be a victim? >> as the museum's chief operating officer, jenean oversees a true crime catalog that covers three floors and decades of infamy. there's a poem from bonnie and clyde, the cell where al capone lived and the chair where did not. >> this is ted kosinskkosinski' highout. this is a scale. he made his own bonds. you can look right here and see his actual handwriting. >> there's a working lab for a budding forensic scientist. there's a virtual police chase simulator. and shooting gallery where i tried my hand at an armed standoff. whether celebrity mug shots, infrared cameras or a cash of weapons, the museum has it all. but for me, one item stood out as perhaps the creepi

. >>> 35 years after he went missing, john wayne gacy's victim identified. his family has always believed he was one of gacy's 33 victims. and now the dna tests have proven that. seven other victims are identified. >> an american man held in the disappearance of an american woman in aruba is set to walk free in a matter of hours. gary g gary giordano was behind bars for four months. prosecutors are appeal the judge's decision to release him. but giordano will probably be back in the u.s. by them. >>> patriceoneal has died. he is diabetic and suffered a stroke last month. patrice was 41 years old. >>> voting all across egypt. voters stood in line for hours and hours. casting votes for parliamentary seats. the election is not slated until next june. this is the first time that egyptians have ever voted in their lifetimes. hosni mubarak was ousted in that revolt. >>> a florida mother who up and vanished after appearing on "the people's court". >> after numerous tips and investigative leads, we are officially naming dale smith, the ex-fiance, as the primary susp

more broadly i remember president clinton saying the oval office one day, that some people want john wayne to write up on a horse with a silver bullet, but that in reality our economic issues are many and and complex and any effective economic strategy would have to be commensurately broad and complex. i will not attempt to touch on all of his major initiatives. but i will briefly mention what i see at least as the major components of his economic strategy. in 1993 as the film demonstrated so aptly, he won an enactment of the seminal economic initiative. he combined strong deficit reduction with robust private investment in areas that were critical for competitiveness. as a consequence, long-term interest rates fell substantially, and very, very importantly, confidence increased because of reduced uncertainty about future economic policy, future economic conditions, and a heightened believe in the effectiveness of government. the large increases in public investment included the earned income tax credit, and h. funding, basic research and so much else. and, finally, the program was f

we have wayne rogers and yawn thon and tracey and john and christian dorsey with the economic policy institute. welcome to all of you. tracey, i will start wu. we both like to shop, will more tough news tighten up wallets and consumers in crucial time for retailers? >> it is hard on the psyche. you hear about more and more lay offs. i love to shop and i feel like i don't have the money to do it this year. i think we are going to see more people get out on black friday and more people sit at their computers and try to get the bargains. and i am not sure they will be spending more money than last year. >> christian, i saw a marketing manager saying they are not optmistic about the retail season and they are concerned because of high unemployment. with more lay offs coming. how big of an economy hit are we expecting this year? >> i think the holiday shopping season is likely to be similar. not disappointing but certainly not spectacular. the news of the lay offs will not have an impact at all. if you are at a firm that announced lay offs you might be concern pull back. but for the rest

wayne rogers, johnon and tracey and john. also joining us via fox and jim. >> and welcome to all of you, johnathon, i want to start with you. they shut down the oakland port. and should we be worried? >> about a roving band of thugs. yes, i think we should be worried. occupy wall street operates through thuggery and force. so what does it come down to badana wearing hoodlums disrupting trade and beneficial trade. they are trying to shut down the new york stock exchange. it is scary. half billion come through the port. they cost yobs and hurt the economy and businesses in the process. upon that is a big piece of the u.s. economy. is it right to go after the ports? >> no, i gave a lot of leeway to the guys. you wonder where these guys are headed. they are hijacted by businesses. burning business in oakland and going after the ports. this does not affect the rich. the people it is going to affect. your average every single day worker. it is not about the rich and not helping the poor at all. this is a bunch of kids out there wit

. >> i've hipped him to aretha frant franklin and john coltrane and he in turn has downloaded jay-z and lil' wayne and so that i'm not a complete fuddy duddy. >> i want to show you a picture here. >> reporter: the first day of the presidency the two of them walking into the oval office. what do you remember from that? >> kind of a blur. one thing i remember is that it was still bush's furniture. the other thing i remember was that i had no idea what i was doing. >> reporter: you were there when he was a senator from illinois. you were there when he became really one of the most beloved people in the world. you've been there as the popularity has dipped in the polls. what is it like for you watching someone you're that close to go through such an almost historic up and down? >> even when he was really popular, there were still a lot of nasty things being said about him. and you aren't going to be payable to change the hearts and minds of everyone. >> reporter: have been there times around this way when you thought, this is my life. >> it's the president's life. i've just been lucky to ha

. >> i've hipped him to aretha frant franklin and john coltrane and he in turn has downloaded jay-z and lil' wayne and so that i'm not a complete fuddy duddy. >> i want to show you a picture here. >> reporter: the first day of the presidency the two of them walking into the oval office. what do you remember from that? >> kind of a blur. one thing i remember is that it was still bush's furniture. the other thing i remember was that i had no idea what i was doing. >> reporter: you were there when he was a senator from illinois. you were there when he became really one of the most beloved people in the world. you've been there as the popularity has dipped in the polls. what is it like for you watching someone you're that close to go through such an almost historic up and down? >> even when he was really popular, there were still a lot of nasty things being said about him. and you aren't going to be payable toto change the hearts d minds of everyone. >> reporter: have been there times around this way when you thought, this is my life. >> it's the president's life. i've just been lucky to ha

. >> i've hipped him to aretha frantic franklin and john coltrane and he in turn has downloaded jay-z and lil' wayne and so that i'm not a complete fuddy duddy. >> i want to show you a picture here. >> reporter: the first day of the presidency the two of them walking into the oval office. what do you remember from that? >> kind of a blur. one thing i remember is that it was still bush's furniture. the other thing i remember was that i had no idea what i was doing. >> reporter: you were there when he was a senator from illinois. you were there when he became really one of the most beloved people in the world. you've been there as the popularity has dipped in the polls. what is it like for you watching someone you're that close to go through such an almost historic up and down? >> even when he was really popular, there were still a lot of nasty things being said about him. and you aren't going to be payable to change the hearts and minds of everyone. >> reporter: have been there times around this way when you thought, this is my life. >> it's the president's life. i've just been lucky t

' wayne. and so that i'm not a complete fuddy-duddy. >> barack obama. >> reporter: one historic election and three long years of work later, love is packing up and saying good-bye to one amazing first job. >> and this door right here leads to the oval. one of the four doors that the president can enter or exit through. >> reporter: he showed us the tiny office he occupies just four feet away from the oval office. his modest home base for long 18-hour days. and some nights, spent sleeping here. you and the president laughing. >> i don't know what the joke is there and if i did, i probably couldn't repeat it. >> reporter: a laugh shared with the president who love calls a ment mentor. a someone or the who in return refers to love as a younger brother. what do you call the president when you're with him? >> mr. president. and if it's a casual scenario then i would just say "sir." >> reporter: sir is your more casual thing? >> yeah. he's the president. >> reporter: what does he do that drives you

. >> i've taught him aretha franklin and john coltrane and he, in turn, has downloaded jay-z and lil' wayne. >> barack obama. >> reporter: one historic election and three long years of work later, love is packing up and saying good-bye to one amazing first job. >> and this door right here leads to the oval. one of the four doors that the president can enter or exit through. >> reporter: he showed us the tiny office he occupies just four feet away from the oval office. his home base for long 18-hour days and some nights spent sleeping here. you and the president. >> i don't know what the joke is there and if i could, i probably wouldn't repeal it. >> reporter: a laugh shared with the president who love calls a monitor. a someone or the who in return refers to love as a younger brother. what do you call the president when you're with him? >> mr. president. and if it's a casual scenario then i would just say "sir." >> reporter: that's more casual? >> yeah. and he's the president. >> reporter: what does he do that drives you crazy? >> i'm 28, 29, stubborn and think i know things that i ma