she's talking about former penn state football coach jerry sandusky, once a top assistant and possible successor to the legendary joe paterno. he's now facing a 40-count indictment. the allegations detailed a nauseating 23-page grand jury report. in it, the boy whose mother you just heard from is known as victim number one. according to the grand jury document, victim number one testified that ultimately sandusky performed oral sex on him more than 20 times through 2007 and early 2008. but even though he's called victim number one, he's actually the last in a long line of alleged victims that stretches back to the 1990s. we have detailed the abuses, especially two alleged incidents, one in 1998 and one in 2002. the first, a series of fondling incidents was reported to campus and local police as well as university officials and pennsylvania's child welfare agency. ultimately, nothing more was done. the second major alleged incident was simply grotesque. in 2002, the alleged rape of a 10-year-old in a campus locker room shower. again, nothing done beyond the university barring sandusky f

we are penn state. >> let's take a live look now at the penn state campus tonight. all appears to be normal and quiet, just one week after the scandal broke, a far cry from the violence that broke out wednesday night when news broke of paterno's firing. student mobs rioted, turning over a news van, smashing windows, newspaper boxes and clashing with police. it was a game day unlike any other in penn state's long history. tears in the stands as generations of nittany lions' fans realized an era is over and an uncertain future awaits their once referred program. let's take another live look at the campus where all of it appears to be quiet, again, one week after the scandal broke. our very own mary snow reports on the happenings on campus today. >> reporter: it was a moment not witnessed by penn state fans before. instead of charging the field, players walked out arm in arm. then silence. the moment follows the darkest chapter of penn state's history with the arrest of former defensive coordinator jerry sandusky, accused of sexually abusing eight boyce over a decade a

plus the penn state sex scandal. i'll talk to the newspaper that first reported the allegations eight months ago. >>> and my interview with one of penn state's most famous graduates football legend rosey grier. >>> also the most dangerous man in hollywood, mickey rourke. >> the director was a turd and the material was not good. >> say what you really think. get off the fence. his life on the edge. >> in heartbeat. >> and tonight for the first time he fires back at ex-wife carrie otis and the explosive charges in her new book. >> it probably is kind of like a little bit of sour grapes, you know, chasing a buck and delusional kind of narcissistic, self-centered point of view. >> mickey rourke, no holds barred. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. we begin tonight with occupy wall street. thousands of protesters are flooding zuccotti park in lower manhattan tonight after a judge gave them the green light to return. but he ruled they can't bring tents, backpacks and sleeping gear into the park where they've been

what koud could the ncaa do to penn state here? the ncaa comes down hard when ncaa ruling are violated, there's no precedent here when there is an alleged cover-up of alleged felony sex crimes. in some ways this is more severe than what gets schools in trouble. this is already being discussed at penn state. i heard this over the weekend. the one point against it would punish student and players, deprive them of scholarships who had nothing to do with this whatsoever. is that fair to them. >> hold on. in usc, did the team have anything to do with what happened? >> reggie bush was a player. ushs sc did not get the death penalty. bush was a player and this is a code of coaches that are alleged to cover up a sex crime. that is different than improper benefits to a player or lack of oversight. >> all i'm saying the other members of the team had nothing to do with reggie bushes or the coach's actions or people getting over things. to me it seems similar. it is not apples and oranges and not everyone will be involved in every scandal. >>

>> we will be talking about penn state, spending most of the hour there. we will go live to the campus and shocking details on the location of jerry sandusky, where he has been seen. we will be talking to a board member of the second mile foundation. that was allegedly the source of the young boys that jerry sandusky abused. one year birthday of lisa irwin the little baby missing from missouri. that is at the top of the hour. back to you, anderson. >> erin, thanks. look forward it to. >> what would you do if your iphone wasn't work something forget the genius guys at the mac store. one genius guy called 911 and called his way on to the ridiculist next. ♪ ♪ ♪ when the things that you need ♪ ♪ come at just the right speed, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ medicine that can't wait legal briefs there by eight, ♪ ♪ that's logistics. ♪ ♪ freight for you, box for me box that keeps you healthy, ♪ ♪ that's logistics. ♪ ♪ saving time, cutting stress, when you use ups ♪ ♪ that's logistics. ♪ tonight we are adding a man who ran this to a littl

with new developments in the penn state abuse scandal. more evidence that there's still much more to this story, much more people are covering up about what they knew and when they knew it. you're also going to hear a mom's account of what her son is going through. he's the boy right now known simply as victim one in the grand jury report detailing jerry sandusky's he alleged 15-year string of serial abuse. he was the first to come forward, this boy was, three years ago. that's why he's called victim number one, though according to the grand jury he was not the fist victim. he started the landslide that brought down sandusky, joe paterno, penn state's president, senior vice president for business and the school's athletic director. his mother says he's brave, but tonight he's afraid that people might find out who he is, afraid he might run into jerry sandusky, who's out on bail, afraid he may ultimately go free. but that's not all she's saying tonight. she's also describing to us the pressure she faced from people who tried to get her not

we start with breaking news in it the penn state scandal. no police have any record of a report by assistant coach mike mcqueary. in an e-mail he reportedly said he talked with police about an alleged sexual assault by jerry sandusky. in the meantime, the charity that places kids with other homes now say the sandusky may have hosted six children back to the '60s. the authorities have been warned in new york and pennsylvania. a new judge has been assigned to the preliminary hearing scheduled for december 7th. the original judge had ties to the second mile charity. the question he is, how did jerry sandusky keep raising money despite all the rumors about his involvement in a sex scandal? one business donated $50,000 to sandusky's family last year is the family clothes line. tracy bell is the star coordinator. tracy bell, obviously deeply concerning course of events in the last few days. you are one of the businesses that's donated money to this charity. how do you feel? >> we were blindsided by everything that has happened past week and a half

she's talking about former penn state football coach jerry sandusky, once a top assistant and possible successor to the legendary joe paterno. he's now facing a 40-count indictment. the allegations detailed a nauseating 23-page grand jury report. in it, the boy whose mother you just heard from is known as victim number one. according to the grand jury document, victim number one testified that ultimately sandusky performed oral sex on him more than 20 times through 2007 and early 2008. but even though he's called victim number one, he's actually the last in a long line of alleged victims that stretches back to the 1990s. we have detailed the abuses, especially two alleged incidents, one in 1998 and one in 2002. the first, a series of fondling incidents was reported to campus and local police as well as university officials and pennsylvania's child welfare agency. ultimately, nothing more was done. the second major alleged incident was simply grotesque. in 2002, the alleged rape of a 10-year-old in a campus locker room shower. again, nothing done beyond the university barring sandusky f

plus the penn state sex scandal. i'll talk to the newspaper that first reported the allegations eight months ago. >>> and my interview with one of penn state's most famous grier. >>> also the most dangerous man in hollywood, mickey rourke. >> the director was a turd and the material was not good. >> say what you really think. get off the fence. his life on the edge. >> in heartbeat. >> and tonight for the first time he fires back at ex-wife carrie otis and the explosive charges in her new book. >> it probably is kind of like a little bit of sour grapes, you know, chasing a buck and delusional kind of narcissistic, self-centered point of view. >> mickey rourke, no holds barred. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening. we begin tonight with occupy wall street. thousands of protesters are flooding zuccotti park in lower manhattan tonight after a judge but he ruled they can't bring tents, backpacks and sleeping gear into the park where they've been living for nearly two months. tonight one of the police officers say

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she's at the penn state campus. you have been on this story for years. when it broke, you came on and broke it down and explained it to our viewers. tell us about this report that sandusky and one of the university's big wigs, who was fired over this, are still receiving money from the university? >> well, basically, as part of their pension program, this is money that they paid in, kind of like a 401(k). they're state employees, because this is a partly state university. so this is the money that they paid in and their employer paid in over the time that they were employees with penn state university, and they are still receiving that pension. the rules for that pension are that the money can be withdrawn and held from them if they are convicted of certain crimes. but there are -- there's -- it's semantics, you know, because it has to do with whether the crimes were committed while they were employees or after they were employees. it also has to do with the severity of the crimes committed. so it still kind of remains to be seen if they're going to get

we begin tonight with major developments in the penn state child sex abuse scandal in a 360 exclusive. we're going to talk to the mental health professional who's been treating one of the alleged victims, victim number one. today his mom spoke out. >> i want justice. i want him -- i want him to be locked up. there's no -- there's no help for somebody that does this. there's -- you know, not like this. he needs to be put away. he needs to be put away for a long time. >> her identity, obviously, hidden there. that appeared on "good morning america." she's talking about former penn state football coach jerry sandusky, once a top assistant and possible successor to the legendary joe paterno. he's now facing a 40-count indictment. the allegations detailed a nauseating 23-page grand jury report. in it, the boy whose mother you just heard from is known as victim number one. according to the grand jury document, victim number one testified that ultimately sandusky performed oral sex on him more than 20 times through 2007 and early 2008. but even though he's called victim number one, he's actu

in the wake of penn state, grave concern. >> police are looking into it. but from everything i've heard, it sounds like police looked into these allegations back in 2005 and because the statute of limitations determined not to pursue, is that right, pete? >> correct. i just talked to tom in the syracuse police spokesman walking over here. he said they're actively looking at this and he said he really doesn't say much else. espn reported last night that an unmarked car picked up the second alleged victim after they finished interviewing him for their outside the line story. it's safe to assume they talked to him yesterday. all police would tell me today, they're still actively looking at this case. they did look at this in 2003 and what the accuser told espn is that it was outside the statute of limitations and couldn't move on. >> pete, appreciate you coming to us tonight. thank you, dr. drew as well. thanks. >>> just ahead tonight, how close is the super committee to coming near a deal to turn the federal deficit with deadlines fast approaching? not good

he was penn state. now his school must go forward without the father figure who was bigger than life. ahead, we'll hear from a reporter who has covered the school for a generation. the markets never stop moving. of course, neither do i. solution? td ameritrade mobile trader. i can enter trades on the run. even futures and 4x. complex options, done. [ cellphone rings ] thank you. live streaming audio. advanced charts. look at that. all right here. wherever "here" happens to be. mobile trading from td ameritrade. number one in online equity trades. plus get up to $600 when you open an account. >>> welcome back. a game unlike any other in the history of the penn state football program. beginning with a collective prayer by fans and both teams kneeling on the field. >> protect the victims that -- >> concern for the eight alleged victims, ps paps former defensive coordinator jerry sandusky who is out on $100,000 bail. the child sex abuse scandal led to penn state's first game without coach joe paterno in 46

specifically, timothy curley, penn state's athletic director. he and gary schultz, senior vp for finance and business, took away sandusky's locker room keys and banned him from having children in the football building but never reported the incident to law enforcement or child protective services. >> their inaction likely allowed a child predator to continue to victimize children for many, many years. >> reporter: in total, sandusky faces 40 charges tied to sexual assault on eight boys. curley and schultz are charged with failing to report abuse and lying to a grand jury. longtime penn state president graham spannier is under mounting pressure to resign for his handling of the 2002 incident. and 84-year-old joe paterno announced today he'll retire at the end of the season, saying in a statement, "this is a tragedy. it is one of the great sorrows of my life. with the benefit of hindsight, i wish i had done more." >> joining us now is penn state alumnus troy craig, also corey geiger of the altoona mirror newspaper and the local espn radio station.

much more on the penn state scandal. i will be speaking with human behavior experts about why people who saw the alleged abuse didn't do more to stop it. also ahead, what are the legal consequences for penn state and officials involved if the els prove true? legal analyst holly hughes will join us for this. this behavior may have involved some of sandusky's own children going back to the mid 1990s. interest couldn't get any worse. again, may have involved. reporter who covered that story will also be here with us and we will have that for new just a little bit. penn state has a big story here in the u.s. there's breaking news that we are following overseas. major world leader has just announced his resignation. live report two minutes away. that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm [ male announcer ] for half the calories -- plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8. ♪ plus veggie nutrition. you want to save money on car insurance? no problem. you want to save money on rv insurance? no problem. you want to save money on m

. >>> now to the penn state child molestation scandal. former football coach joe paterno's son jay is speaking out. he says his father fired after the scandal broke has had his world turned upsidedown. but he says the -- main concern should be focused on the alleged victims. >> pretty surreal, almost like the book of joeb, the perspective, one thing joe said to me throughout all of this, we have to make sure we keep focus on the victims of this whole tragedy. >> other developments involving penn state former coach joe paterno says he has been diagnosed with a treatable form of lung cancer. in the investigation, the ncaa which oversees college athletics is getting involved. mike galanos is live from university park, pennsylvania. mike, explain the ncaa investigation. >> at this point, they are calling it a formal review. what it means is it was a three-page letter, ncaa to penn state. at the end there were four questions the university has to answer, submit toes answers by the middle of december. let me get you a couple of highlights. one

state said get away. >> if somebody at penn state did that diligence, if somebody at penn state, why count they have do that with the police? that's what everybody's thinking. if you were mag nam us in enough and to call a school and say, stay away from this guy, he's bad news, why can't you make sure that any children that were hurt after the kid in 2002 were safe, and report him to the police. >> listen to jerry sandusky's lawyer, we had a legal expert on who thinks coach sandusky is digging his hole deeper, listen to his lawyer. you spent a lot of time around the culture of sports. if you listen to this, it's a parallel universe. >> jerry sandusky is a big, overgrown kid. he's a jock. for anybody who has ever played sports you get showers after you work out. i mean when people hear he got showers with kids, my goodness, you know, he got showers with kids, that make him guilty, right? anybody who gets a shower with a kid who is an adult has to be guilty of something. but the bottom line is jock dozen that. they kid around, horse around. >> no, jocks don't do that. >> maybe the quar

we are penn state. >> let's take a live look now at the penn state campus tonight. all appears to be normal and quiet, just one week after the scandal broke, a far cry from the violence that broke out wednesday night when news broke of paterno's firing. student mobs rioted, turning over a news van, smashing car windows, newspaper boxes, and clashing with police. it was a game day unlike any other in penn state's long history. tears in the stands as generations of nittany lions fans realized an era is over and a new uncertain future awaits their once-revered program. let's take another live look at the penn state campus again where all appears to be quiet, again, one week after this scandal broke. as a matter of fact, our very own mary snow reports on the happenings on campus today. >> reporter: it was a moment not witnessed by penn state fans before. instead of charging the field, players walked out arm in arm. then silence. the moment follows the darkest chapter of penn state's history with the arrest of former defensive coordinator jerry sandusky, accused of sexua

exemption for penn state. >> drew, do we know why the president of penn state wanted this exemption that was around the time of this investigation? >> we know what graham spanier told the legislature. he was concerned, he said, about costs, about compliance, about competitive reasons for keeping records. also privacy. but i asked terry mutchler of the open record act office if she thinks the real reason was to hide a damaging investigation. here's what she said. >> i think that view would be shared by open records advocates. if you were at any of the police departments in the commonwealth, incident reports are, in fact, available under the right-to-know law. penn state, because it enjoys, along with temple, pitt, lincoln and this exception, they are not subject. >> so the exemption to release the records doesn't mean they can't just release it. isn't there anyone on that campus willing to open the records to show what they knew, who knew what and when? >> yeah. you're spot on, anderson. they could if they wanted to, but when we went to try to find those records, literally going to d

afraid of what it will do to penn state and the community. on the other hand i've been speaking to people privately. a lot of people are very afraid to speak publicly now. i think in the days and weeks to come we're already seeing that beginning to change, and we might see more of that in the days and weeks to come, anderson. >> susan, thanks. let's turn to jason carroll with our breaking news and new accuser and the possibility of many more dating back to the early '80s. jason? what's the latest? >> reporter: anderson, earlier today i spoke with an attorney who says he's received more than ten calls for people who say they, too, were victimized by jerry sandusky. he's formally representing one young man who says jerry sandusky sexually assaulted him back in the early '90s. listen to the attorney who is now representing him. >> can you tell me when the phone calls started and what was the nature of the call snls. >> well, i can tell you there's a pattern that's emerged and the calls that we've received. in every instance sandusky used his pos

this company does a lot of business with penn state university. this is what happened when we went inside trying to find him. >> is mr. harmon in? >> he is not. >> he's not in? >> he works out of his office. he works out of his home. >> he works out of his home. >> yeah. >> does he have an office number? i mean, a number that if someone at this office -- >> we can't provide that information. sorry. >> reporter: you can't provide that information? >> no. no. >> reporter: via e-mail, tom harmon did eventually get back to us. this is what he said, not much, he just cannot discuss this matter, citing an ongoing investigation. we did go to his home, by the way. neighbors say, anderson, he moved. >> did you also try to speak to the legal counsel for penn state who held that position during the 1998 investigation? did you talk to him? >> reporter: tried. wendell courtney, private lawyer now in town. he was university counsel in 1998 when these allegations surfaced. he actually gave a blessing for that initial investigation into sandusky. oddly enough, he

and the penn state authorities, the director of sports, the cfo of penn state and joe paterno say, you know, maybe this will go away. maybe we shouldn't call the cops. maybe we shouldn't call and tell the campus police. and now it comes out that this was a man who allegedly created a charity -- and that charity did a lot of good work -- so that he could cherry pick the kids that he wanted to do whatever. it's really appalling, and it's really sad. and my 17-year-old son called me -- i was out on the road. he said, dad, the students are rioting on penn state because joe paterno got fired. a couple years ago those students were kids themselves. nobody's talking about those kids at risk, those kids that were in the second mile charity that jerry sandusky allegedly, allegedly hurt. i thought, you know, hayden for a 17-year-old guy, you're prett perceptive. they're worried about that football program and that's all that school's worried about. >> yeah, couldn't agree more. it was deeply disturbing, the whole thing. after the break, i want to know what you really thing is going on behind som

he is now penn state's receivers coach. the grand jury found his account highly credible and found what he witnessed should have been reported to law enforcement and child welfare if not by mcqueary shultz, curley or many are saying joe paterno. there is breaking news from jerry sandusky's attorney jason carroll, jason? >> reporter: i spoke to him an hour ago, anderson. he is extremely frustrated. first off he disputes and his client, he says, disputes all of the allegation being made. i asked him about the case and he said he is in the infancy of building the case. trying to find witness and information that will help his client. but i really have to say, anderson he made it clear he feels as though jerry sandusky is already been tried in the court of public opinion here at penn state, being made out to be guilty before he has had a chance to prove his innocence in a court of law. anderson? >> did you ask about the grand jury testimony? >> oh, absolutely. once again, he denied all of the allegations that are made in that 2

an exemption for penn state. >> drew, do we know why the president of penn state wanted this exemption that was around the time of this investigation? >> we know what graham spanier told the legislature. he was concerned, he said, about costs, about compliance, about competitive reasons for keeping records. also privacy. but i asked terry mutschler if she thinks the real reason was to hide a damaging investigation? >> i think that view would be shared by open records advocates. if you were at any of the police departments in the commonwealth, incident reports are, in fact, available under the right to know law. penn state, because it enjoys, along with temple, pitt, lincoln and this exception, they are not subject. >> so the exemption to release the records doesn't mean they can't just release it. isn't there any one on the campus willing to open the records to show what they knew, who knew what and when? >> yeah. you're spot on, anderson. they could if they wanted to, but when we went to try to find those records, literally going to detectives' homes who were involved in this, to the

the penn state news gets worse and worse. the alleged cover-up, fired administrators accused of looking the other way and joe paterno has been diagnosed with cancer. i want to bring in jon wertheim. a senior investigator for "sports illustrated." he's a regular on the show. his colleagues, david epistein had the cover of this week's issue and it is interesting. the headline, the failure and shame of penn state. good to see you again. this has become a horror story. let's start with joe paterno. you have been talking to a lot of people in state college, pennsylvania in recent days. have you talked to anyone at all who's close to the 235program a believes that joe paterno could not have known that former coach jerry sandusky was a threat to children. >> joe paterno has a lot of backers. one thing we have heard he was 75 years old at the time. he is a conservative man. he country curse and doesn't have e-mail. and it didn't really process, it didn't crystallize. but you step back and look at the totality here. 1998, there was a

breaking news on the penn state sex abuse scandal. s word of a new accuser, he says jerry sandusky raped him in the 199 0rz more, possibly ten, you will hear from shortly, some claiming abecause dating back to the '80s. if those claims bear out and sandusky is true, ate because went on far longer than they thought and so did perhaps the cover up. jason carroll has more in a moment we begin begin with the possibility of a coverup or at the least, a deep silence that might tarnish over penn state and joe pattern know the more we try to answer the questions that everyone wants answers to mortgage we run into fan fest stations of that culture, of that ecosystem, which everyone knows everyone and they are all connected somehow to penn state football. start with michael mcqueary who says he witnessed jerry sandusky raping a boy in the football team showers back in 2002. today, he is an assistant coach. prior to the incident, he was a penn state quarterback and teammate of jerry sandusky's son. according to the grand jury report, mcqueary's

he is penn state football. and i think he's ultimately responsible for everything that goes on on his watch and as the venerable coach of that team. so the fact that this is all going on and then that's the excuse? it's appalling. that's really shocking and seems to slap right back at those victims and they get to go through this all over again, unfortunately. >> cory, it is hard to believe that in 1998, allegations by the mom was made and they're investigated by multiple different agencies, that joe paterno isn't informed of what is a potentially major threat to his program. >> yeah. it's hard to believe that joe -- i said on your program the other day, there's no reason to believe that joe did not know what was going on with the 1998 allegations. they're so similar in 2002 with another shower involved and another young boy involved. so the similarity of the two is really eerie. and you would think that they would all have learned from the 1998 incident regardless of if there were charges or not. the fact that

the latest from the penn state sex scandal. we have hall of famer franco harris, played for joe paterno and jerry sandusky in college, he comes out front tonight. >>> and new fears about iran with nuclear weapons and what upcoming cuts to the defense budget could mean to american safety. former secretary of defense william cohen joins us next. >>> and one of the stars of a new reality show, all american muslim, here to talk about the face of islam in america. [ gong ] strawberry banana! [ male announcer ] for a smoothie with real fruit plus veggie nutrition new v8 v-fusion smoothie. could've had a v8. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 there are atm fees. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 account service fees. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 and the most dreaded fees of all, hidden fees. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 at charles schwab, you won't pay fees on top of fees. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 no monthly account service fees. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 no hidden fees. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 and we rebate every atm fee. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 so talk to chuck tdd# 1-800-345-2550 because when it

keeping him honest in the penn state sex abuse scandal. still much more that people are covering up about what they knew and when they knew it. you're also going to hear tonight a. mom's account of what she says her son went through and is now going through. he's the boy known simply as victim he was the first to come forward, this boy was, three years ago. that's why he's called victim number one, though he was not the first victim. he brought down the penn state president, senior vice president for business and the school's athletic director. he's a brave kid, his mother says, but tonight he is afraid, afraid that people might find out who is he, afraid he might run into jerry sandusky who is out on bail. afraid that sandusky might ultimately go free. she's also describing to us the pressures she faced from people who tried to get her not to go to police. pressure from community members, from people she trusted to put kids first and not defend jerry sandusky. you're going to hear more of her story in a moment from her own mouth. also ton

he is penn state football. and i think he's ultimately responsible for everything that goes on on his watch and as the venerable coach of that team. so the fact that this is all going on and then that's the excuse? it's appalling. that's really shocking and seems to slap right back at those victims and they get to go through this all over again, unfortunately. >> cory, it is hard to believe that after the allegations with the mom was made and they were investigated by multiple different agencies that joe paterno isn't informed of what is a potentially major threat to his program. >> yeah. it's hard to believe that joe -- i said on your program the other day, there's no reason to believe that joe did not know what was going on with the 1998 allegations. they're so similar in 2002 with another shower involved and another young boy involved. so the similarity of the two is really eerie. and you would thing that thk th would all have learned from the 1998 incident regardless of if there were charges or not. the fac

that's what we saw at penn state. it was the family that was being protected, the family of penn state. that's wie i'm proud of syracuse in this case, to be forthright. but the reality is these are issues that we've been raised not to talk about. >> are you going to reach out to coach fein? >> i won't. i will let the machine of justice to work its path and hopefully he will be exonerated. >> all right, don, thanks again. really appreciate you being here. >> all right, paul is with me. i wanted to follow up with you, paul, on this issue of false accusations. obviously, we have no idea what will happen in syracuse. but do you think that we will see more false accusations? >> i think we have to be careful of a lynch mob mentality which is developing around these cases. when you hear about ped feel ya, it's such a horrible thing. but you know something, there are false places and there are accurate and true cases. and we have a court system to separate it out and find out the truth here. so let's not assume everybody char

he is penn state. certainly they are going to be in support of him. i don't know how many read the grand jury report or anything like that. outside the walls of this school and outside of state college, obviously things change in the debate about joe pa turn know and change quickly. i saw a facebook poll on hln that said that 73% said that he should go and go now. and jason, you have been on the story, speaking to a lot of people there at penn state university. what do they say to you about the way forward and how they rebuild from this. >> well, i think this is what we're going to see here. i think we're going to have the sort of flashes of anger that paterno has been forced out but i think once that dies down, the story is going to shift to what jeffrey toobin is talking about, and that is back to jerry sandusky and his victims. isha, i spoke to a source close to the investigation that told me that the police tip line has received more than a dozen calls since tuesday from more people who say that they have been victimized by jerry sandusky. as you

state college is penn state, penn state is joe paterno. and over at the house today, we saw people stopping by. for example, one woman brought food over to the house and gave a hug to the woman who answered the door and shared a smile. we also ran into, for example, a couple who drove here all the way from hazleton, pennsylvania, about 100 miles away to pay their respects to joe paterno and to wish him well. we spoke with the woman. here's what she said. >> as far as his health, i just wish that he could go into it with a pleasant mind, mind heals the body, strongly believe that. and the comfort of his family and friends, the positive feedback will help him recover. >> reporter: it's just one more terrible tragedy that has resulted from this investigation, it seems, don. >> speaking of the investigation, you said the ncaa is opening an investigation into the penn state case. that makes how many investigations going on now, susan? >> reporter: boy, it's hard to keep track. you're right. the ncaa investigation is the latest and penn state ha

penn state is obviously a big part of this town. it's something we've been talking about all week, is that people tend to have some connection in some way to one or two of those organizations. so this judge was brought in from out of town so that that doesn't become an issue. >> sara, one more quick one. in firing essentially joe paterno, penn state trying to turn the page. you learned important information that bradley himself does have at least a modest role in this investigation. >> reporter: yeah, he did testify. we did learn that tonight, john. we don't know what he testified to. it was over the summer. nothing about his testimony is mentioned in that 23-page grand jury indictment. so we don't know exactly what he testified to or if it was important to the investigation. we just know that he was a witness. >> sara ganim on the campus. thank you. coach sandusky is accused of sexually molesting boys over a 15-year period, when our next guest was a graduate assistant. nat not only looked with jerry sandusky and joe paterno, he bri

sandusky joined penn state in 1969. i would imagine this isn't something that just starts at some point in your life. >> no. i think we found that is why rehabilitation is difficult for people who have a sexual pred lix for children. we have to assume this is a guy who had authority and access and started his own not for profit, but so he could have availability of a particular vulnerability of a 307lation of kids, maybe from a broken home that looked up to him and someone like that could have hundreds of victims in that period of time. >> hundreds of victims. >> i think that's right. >> does it surprise you, what is your i sense of -- what do you think of joe paterno? he was fired. the president of penn state was fired. joe paterno allegedly, according to the -- not even allegedly admitted to being told about this in the early '90s -- i'm sorry in 2002. apparently he knew but was unclear but in 2002 he acknowledges being told of graphic sex acts that happened and he did not pursue it in full. what can explain that? >>

he is penn state. certainly they are going to be in support of him. i don't know how many read the grand jury report or anything like that. outside the walls of this school and outside of state college, obviously things change in the debate of joe paterno and change quickly. i saw a facebook poll on hln that said that 73% said that he should go and go now. and jason, you have been on the story, speaking to a lot of people there at penn state university. what do they say to you about the way forward and how they rebuild from this. >> well, i think this is what we're going to see here. i think we're going to have the sort of flashes of anger that paterno has been forced out but then i think the story will shift to jerry sandusky and his victims. isha, i spoke to a source close to the investigation that told me that the police tip line has received more than a dozen calls since tuesday from more people who say that they have been abused by jerry sandusky. that number, according to the attorney general, they expect that number to grow simply because this

tonight, as more accusers comes back, there's more news on the penn state scandal. protesters here in new york. like pictures from zuccotti park. the verdict came down as dark descended this evening. the tents were removed and protesters allowed to go back in to get their personal belongings. the new york state supreme court overturning an earlier ruling on this and we are going to have the latest on this breaking story and the implications from the park tonight. >>> but first, we have developing news in washington. the co-chair of the super committee charged with cutting america's deficit said just moments ago, quote, we are in the hours to go. and the countdown is on. this is important and we are watching. the panel of 12 has got eight days, four hours and as you can see 58 minutes i and 11 seconds and counting to make a deal that cuts america's deficit. if there is no deal when this clock hits zero, our economy will be hurt. your interest rates may go up and companies won't hire. we reached out to our sources. we know that today the six republican members met for

thanks and pray a little bit for those victims. >> we are penn state, joe. >> we are penn state. >> image of a coach so revered so at odds with the sickening details of this case. details like this from the grand jury finding of fact. quote, while in the shower sandusky approached the boy, grabbed him around the waist and said i'm going to squeeze your guts out. this allegedly happened in 1998. with ms. mother learned about it she went to the university police and confronted coach sandusky who was the defensive coordinator. the mother let campus and local police eavesdrop on two conversations she had with the coach. according to the grand jury finding, quote, she asked him if his private parts touched victim 6. sandusky replied, i don't think. maybe. later according to the finding he tells the mom, quote, i was wrong. i wish i could get forgiveness. i know i won't get it from you. i wish i were dead. the grand jury report says he admitted wrongdoing to the university police. ronald scheffler said at the time his vefx included a second child who he said he was subjected to nearly identical

that's what we saw at penn state. it was the family that was being protected, the family of penn state. and that's why i'm proud of syracuse in this case to be forthright, but the reality is, these issues that we've all been raised not to talk about. >> are you going to reach out to coach fine? >> i won't. i will let the machine of justice work its path and hopefully coach fine will be exonerated and that the institution will move forward in a responsible way. >> all right. don, thanks again. really appreciate your being here. >> my pleasure. thank you, erin. >> all right. paul keown is here. and i wanted to follow up with you, paul, on this issue of false accusations. obviously, we have no idea what will happen in syracuse, but do you think we're going to see more false accusations as a result of a spotlight on abuse? >> i think we have to be careful of a lynch mob mentality, which is developing around these cases. when you hear about pedophilia, it's such a horrible thing. but there are false cases and there are acc

it's really -- i mean, joe paterno and penn state, he is penn state, in pennsylvania, too. he's one of the most powerful people in the state, and with so much uncertainty surrounding the situation, it's really difficult to form an informed opinion. you know, i know on campus i've heard every different type of opinion, as sara alluded to. it's tough to figure out where you stand on it. >> because he's sump an iconic figure, but when you mention his power on campus and his power in the state is it then logical to say he is the name, the face and the responsible figure for this program? so if maybe he didn't know anything, maybe he should have? >> i mean, i think joe paterno has built penn state football to what it is today, by the same token we don't know what he knew and didn't know. that could come out in the next couple of weeks. we don't really know right now, but it's a sad time for penn state right now with the ways things are unfolding. as a student here, as a senior, saturday is my senior day, my last football game at beaver stadium. to have this hanging over the week

for a body in motion. >>> joe paterno out as head coach at penn state. the question is whether his firing somehow open the way for potential future alleged sex assault victim to come forward. victims of former assistant coach jerry sandusky to potentially sue. let's go to sunny hostin. if there are other victim, doubt with paterno out, and we know sandusky has been gone, will it be easier for them to come forward? >> you know, i certainly think that there is strength in numbers when it comes to this kind of thing and i think people are strengthened when they know that they're not alone. so i suspect that we will hear unfortunately about other victims coming forward. i think there's no question that those victim will be suing the university and all of the folks that were involved in perhaps the cover-up, involved in the allegations, helped enable sandusky to perpetrate these terrible crimes on these boys. and i suspect that these are cases that will be settled privately. i don't think that the university, given their stance, given that they have let pater

that's what we saw at penn state. it was the family that was being protected, the family of penn state. and that's why i'm proud of syracuse in this case to be forthright, but the reality is, these issues that we've all been raised not to talk about. >> are you going to reach out to coach fine? >> i won't. i will let the machine of justice work its path and hopefully coach fine will be exonerated and that the institution will move forward in a responsible way. >> all right. don, thanks again. really appreciate your being here. >> my pleasure. thank you, erin. >> all right. paul callan is with me. and i wanted to follow up with you, paul, on this issue of false accusations. obviously, we have no idea what will happen in syracuse, but do you think we're going to see more false accusations as a result of a spotlight on abuse? >> i think we have to be careful of a lynch mob mentality, which is developing around these cases. when you hear about pedophilia, it's such a horrible thing. but there are false cases and there are