you're relying on the word of michael cohen. he did not have a business deal in russia. >> i saw the signed letter of intent. >> let me finish. >> go ahead. >> these are complicated thoughts. that is completely false that he had a business deal in russia. he had a letter of intent. no money, not binding. a proposal. not even a prosel. >> it was a proposal. >> a letter of intent is a nonbinding letter of intent. >> but it shows intent to do a deal. >> it's not a deal. it was the beginning. do you know how far away they were from a deal? there were ten other things going on in the trump organization. >> let me give you an example. i run a security business and i make proposals all over the world. i have four of them. one of them got signed. i'm doing business there and i'm not doing business in the other countries. if i'm not doing business until i sign a contract. >> i think we know that the records show that. he said he had nothing going on and he doesn't. >> no. >> the records show a lot of lying by a serial liar that just did

and 51% disapproved of the republicans in the michael cohen hearing. that means not even all trump supporters were pleased with the performance of republicans in the michael cohen hearing which is a pretty good template for what impeachment hearings would look like. donald trump is not the only republican with something to fear in impeachment hearings. house republicans have plenty to fear in those hearings because the redacted mueller report doesn't give them nel ammunition to use with the most important witnesses against the president like former trump white house counsel don mcgahn. they can't call don mcgahn a convict convicted like they could call michael cohen. the mueller report describes don mcgahn as a particularly credible witness because he took notes of his conversations with the president and other people. so will the republicans on the house judiciary committee condemn note taking in the oval office, something every responsibility staff member has always done in the oval office, something that i did in the clinton oval office? when i was

and 51% disapproved of the republicans in the michael cohen hearing. that means not even all trump supporters were pleased with the performance of republicans in the michael cohen hearing which is a pretty good template for what impeachment hearings would look like. donald trump is not the only republican with something to fear in impeachment hearings. house republicans have plenty to fear in those hearings because the redacted mueller report doesn't give them nel ammunition to use with the most important witnesses against the president like former trump white house counsel don mcgahn. they can't call don mcgahn a convicted like they could call michael cohen. the mueller report describes don mcgahn as a particularly credible witness because he took notes of his conversations with the president and other people. so will the republicans on the house judiciary committee condemn note taking in the oval office, something every responsibility staff member has always done in the oval office, something that i did in the clinton oval office? when i was there wi

>> big picture, i think michael cohen is overrated in all of these stories. i think underrated is whatever else the southern district is working on, and big time overrated is what the new york attorney general is working on, such as potential money laundering through deutsche bank. we should keep our eye on that and less on michael cohen. >> even with all the information that's come to light, the stormy daniels hush money payments, the checks, the information and financial documents he's provided, you think he's overrated when it comes to this? >> no, i think this new news is overrated. i think the southern district probably already has all of that and sufficient information to go with that. >> jed sugarman, john dean, thank you, sirs, appreciate it. >>> even mar-a-lago is know scape from uncomfortable questions for this president. we're going to dig into the latest on the security breach at the president's private club next. when we started our business we were paying an arm and a leg for postage. i remember setting up shipstation. one or two clicks and ever

this is michael cohen, michael cohen in february when he was testifying before the house oversight committee and said this. >> can you give us any insight into what the real reason is that the president has refused to release his tax returns? >> statements that he had said to me is that what he didn't want was to have an entire group of think tanks that are tax experts run through his tax return and start ripping it to pieces and then he'll end up in an audit and he'll ultimately have taxable consequences, penalties and so on. >> so that's an interesting point. that basically said he didn't want to release his tax returns because he might end up in an audit. so could you presume from that statement that he wasn't under audit? >> i presume that he's not under out did. audit. >> a direct contradiction to what we heard from the president. >> if anyone would know if the president was, in fact, under audit it would be michael cohen who was his personal fixer and in that same testimony, michael cohen implicated the president in both insurance fraud and tax fraud. now, those are allegations but he

cohen needs more time to review the rest. as of now, cohen heads to jail on may 8th. there is a lot to discuss. former nixon white house counsel, john dean , is here an the author of the "peop "the pe court." >> good evening, could this concern of a cover up? >> specifically we saw a back and forth where team mueller was calling out team barr because they know, first of all, we start with "the new york times," team barr says, we could not use team mueller's summary because it was with sensitive information and grand jury information, executive privilege. and then three hours later "the washington post" had team mueller saying wait a minute, we wrote those report specifically so it could be used. i looked back at some of the old report, the star report from the clinton era, they each included simple one-page summary that were designed for immediate release with nothing complicated in them. it is completely i mplausible that the mueller team would make a mistake to write a summary like this and exposes bar being not credible. >> barr is fumbling on his collusions raised

according to cohen, he should stay on message, the investigation was a witch hunt and everybody would be fine. stay on message. >> it's not very subtle. >> no, it's not. lisa green and eli, thank you for being here. >>> it's been a very busy day, and i have been looking forward >>> the breaking news tonight is that the mueller report is out. the investigation paints a portrait of a president convinced at one point his presidency was over. a campaign swimming in russians who were wishing to help get trump elected and the campaign hoping to benefit. the report outlines ten instances of potential obstruction by the president, singles out several aides who refused to carry out his orders, and we learned today the president now clearly has his man at the justice department as the attorney general publicly takes one for the team. >>> and for mueller's part, he's leaving it to congress to proceed from here as "the 11th hour" gets under way on this important thursday night.

we saw cohen testify about trump tower moscow. but when it became clear it was related to other things he farmed it out. i would suspect nothing goes to the core of mueller's mandate that these are peripheral things. that doesn't mean it doesn't relate to taxes por financial questions. >> of course it doesn't mean there couldn't be very serious crimes, right, we don't know. >> no. >> i think people were surprised to see 14. >> we don't. on behalf of a weary nation i hope it's not caseens on michael cohen or michael avenatti some of these are paths we've been down too much recently. but it's interesting to know in terms of how cases are farmed out what's within the scope of the investigation? the scope starts off limited on paper to the russia probe. but rod rosenstein was in a position during the supervision to expand it upon request. so we don't know whether the tenticles went preponderate cohen thing was fascinating that this they farm it out to the southern district. saying they have a cooperator. a failed cooper. but president

it turns out michael cohen did a lot more than take notes. we've heard at least one recording of michael cohen's conversations with donald trump. >> that's right. it's astonishing what donald trump's perceptions of lawyers is. he's obviously shape by one of the most corrupt lawyers of the 20th century. his lawyer roy cohn who was ultimately disbarred. that's his hero. in essence that's who he's trying to make attorney general barr into. barr seems to be willing to play the role of donald trump's roy cohn. but fortunately for us, don mcgahn was not and ultimately michael cohen was not willing to play that role to the end of the theater of donald trump. >> lisa graves, adam thank you both for joining us tonight. when we come back, the mueller report's revelationing about sarah sanders having to admit to them finally she had to admit to someone that she lied. o admit to someone that she lied. does this map show the peninsula trail? you won't find that on a map. i'll take you there. take this left. if you listen real hard you can hear the whales.

it turns out michael cohen did a lot more than take notes. we've heard at least one recording of michael cohen's conversations with donald trump. >> that's right. it's astonishing what donald trump's perceptions of lawyers is. he's obviously shaped by one of the most corrupt lawyers of the 20th century. his lawyer roy cohn who was ultimately disbarred. that's his hero. in essence that's who he's trying to make attorney general barr into. barr seems to be willing to play the role of donald trump's roy cohn. but fortunately for us, don mcgahn was not and ultimately michael cohen was not willing to play that role to the end of the theater of donald trump. >> lisa graves, adam thank you both for joining us tonight. when we come back, the mueller report's revelation about sarah sanders having to admit to them finally she had to admit to someone that she lied. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with f

attorney, in which cohen testified under oath that the president falsified records, financial records, in order to qualify for loans and other kinds of financing. that he inflated the value of his properties, and we just saw yesterday a story in "the washington post" that corroborates that and documents it. he also underestimated the value of properties for tax purposes in the state of new york and elsewhere. this is a follow-up to that testimony. just how bad was that and were, flange, laws violated? >> why do you think this is relevant? this is conduct that occurred before he became president. mr. connolly: this is a president who has not put his assets in a blind trust as was recommended. he continues through his family to run the trump organization. he continues to draw profits from various elements of the trump organization. golf courses, hotel properties, apartment buildings with his name on it. so i think it's very relevant. he continues to benefit. >> given the report you mentioned in "the washington post," it does have documents that appear to corroborate identity dethat the

let's say bill cohen is the ceo of a major company, and i'm a big investor in that company. and i'm a big investor in that company. and a bomb hits this building. i can just sell my stock that day. maybe it goes down by 20% but i'm out of the position. he runs that company with 50,000 employees and he still has to deal with it. for the financial industry, the fact that it is so loosely regulated, the fact activists and investors can come in, shake up a company and when they shake it up and optimize it, we know people lose their jobs and they're not held to any standards, is that not one of the main issues here? >> yeah, but we keep hoping the better angels of a ceo are going to show up. and at the end of the day people will -- i served on a bunch of public company boards and on the com committee, people will largely -- their behavior will be driven by compensation. when 98% of senior executive compensation is based on the option value of their equity, they're going to focus on the stock price morning, noon and night. >> because that's what their job is. unless we change that

according to cohen, he should stay on message, the investigation was a witch hunt and everybody would be fine. stay on message. >> it's not very subtle. >> no, it's not. lisa green and eli, thank you for being here. >>> it's been a very busy day, and i have been looking forward to two things all day. number one was my show, and after my show, i've been looking forward to the rachel maddow show which starts right now, which i'm going to go watch. >> well, i have a favor to ask, would you mind doing your show for another 90 minutes or so? because i still have some reading. >> i saw your staff bleary eyed and papers all over the place. how do you eat the elephant one bite at a time. >> when they -- i got up and i watched barr give his press conference this morning, and we had the time between the press conference and the report came out. i'm going to work out, i'm going to have an extra long shower, make sure i'm zen. all i did was run straight to the office. i cannot help it. thank you. much appreciate it. thanks to you at home for

cohen's reporters and phones. a legitimate request at this point, do you think michael cohen has found out more in this last few weeks than say the fbi or southern district found when they had all kinds of search warrants and digging through his stuff? >> certainly it raises the question of when they had the investigation in the search into his office and various homes, why did they not find this? the statement tant lies us with the promise of voice recordings which from the beginning has been something that cohen's and his attorneys have dangled out there, both the irs story and michael cohen story i'm struck by the extent to which it's just a reminder of how much, you know, donald trump is encircled at this point in time, you know. the consequence of having the democratic house of representatives, of having these meeat that time ta sizing investigations by the southern district prosecutors, it suggests that, you know, one way or the other there will be investigations that hang over him, cohen is a significant co

felonies for which cohen is going to prison. we've had this open question whether the president individual one might himself have liability there. it seems like ami might have liability if they lost their immunity. >> they would certainly be at risk if the nonprosecution agreement were ripped up. it's too early right now to speculate about what the southern district is finding because they're still calling people in as you noted and kind of in the fact finding stage right now. >> in terms of their communications with hope hicks and keith schiller, the implication from your reporting is that hicks and schiller might have been aware of, again, what prosecutors say was a criminal conspiracy to commit campaign finance felonies. they might have been aware at least of elements of it at the time that it was happening. that's what i'm reading from the way you're describing what we know what they were asked. is that fair? >> they were definitely asked about their contacts with david pecker. so it's possible that prosecutors were calling

in october of 2016, michael cohen received a text from a russian businessman that said stopped flow of tapes from russia, not sure if there's anything else. the businessman told prosecutors he was told the tapes were fake. mueller's team answered a key question, why they did not interview the president. while they believed they had the authority to subpoena trump and found trump's written answers to be inadequate, mueller's team believed it would delay the investigation writing we had sufficient evidence to understand relevant events and make certain assessments of the president's testimony. although he has cleared trump of wrong doing, congress can investigate and democrats are calling on mueller to testify. back to you. >>> president trump is hosting a white house event for the wounded warrior project when the mueller report dropped. listen to his reaction. >> hey, i'm having a good day too. it was called no collusion, no obstruction. >> there never was, by the way, and there never will be, and we do have to get to the bottom of these things, i will say. this should never happen to a

those are the -- that investigation and the michael cohen finance campaign investigation led to cohen and even prosecutors endorsing the idea that cohen's payments which were a crime, were directed by the president. they were a little bit coy about whether in fact that amounts to a crime by the president. there's an intent element, a knowledge element as well that you would have to show that president trump knew that this was a campaign finance violation and we don't know whether or not he did. cohen's a lawyer so we presume that he knows the law. but that's why people are pointing to that as an area of grave concern. now, assuming that the southern district of new york follows the d.o.j. policy, not the law but as a policy within the department for many years about charging a sitting president and one should not charge a sitting president, that raises an interesting legal question. because these crimes occurred in 2016 and maybe you could say the conspiracy continued into 2017 if there was one. and so the statute of limitations is usually five years. but would that statute of limitat

the hush money scheme, the campaign finance felonies that cohen's going to prison for. the judge said those 18 1/2 pages from the search warns had to stay redacted because otherwise they would "reveal the scope and direction of the government's ongoing investigation." ongoing investigation, oh? and they would unveil subjects of the investigation and the potential conduct under scrutiny. also federal agents told the judge they expected to find evidence of a conspiracy. now, a whole bunch of people who might have been part of that conspiracy around the campaign finance felonies, the hush money payments a poll whole bunch of people involved in that will already have immunity is, say allen weisselberg, trump's long time financial guy at the trump organization. weisselberg has been reportedly granted limited immunity notice relation to this testimony related to that issue. also david pecker, publisher of the "national enquirer" also the parent company, ami entered into a nonprosecution agreement with prosecutors in this matter which is contingent on ami not committing any mo

it turns out michael cohen did a lot more than take notes. we've heard at least one recording of michael cohen's conversations with donald trump. >> that's right. it's astonishing what donald trump's perceptions of lawyers is. he's obviously shape by one of the most corrupt lawyers of the 20th century. his lawyer roy cohn who was ultimately disbarred. that's his hero. in essence that's who he's trying to make attorney general barr into. barr seems to be willing to play the role of donald trump's roy cohn. but fortunately for us, don mcgahn was not and ultimately michael cohen was not willing to play that role to the end of the theater of donald trump. >> lisa graves, adam thank you both for joining us tonight. when we come back, the mueller report's revelationing about sarah sanders having to admit to them finally she had to admit to someone that she lied. naysayer said no one would subscribe to a car the way they subscribe to movies. we don't follow the naysayers. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ or psoriatic arthritis, little things can be a big deal. t

sure enough, michael cohen's name was on it. it was the michael cohen. >> what did it feel like to see that? >> it was elation. it was relief. because this is before we published the first story, right. these are sort of parallel. so we're still looking for that something, that tangible something. we're confident in our sourcing, but to have the paper is just like another layer of comfort and relief. i hope i'm adequately describing with my wavering voice and facial expressions. but anyway, there was a problem with the resolution consultants because it was created in late september and dissolved in october, mid-october, before the payment had been made. so it turns out, you know, we didn't know why, but we suspected maybe michael cohen had messed up the paperwork somehow. we looked at all of the corporations created on the day that resolution consultants was dissolved. that's how we found essential consultants. and essential consultants, we pulled the formation documents again, and there of course was michael cohen's name. then

cohen. people involved in the russian conspiracy got ten days and 12 days, paul manafort got a sweet deal relative to what he was facing, why shouldn't the democrats say give him a break if he has something publicly unlike the mueller reports. >> it's highly unlikely he didn't know about this investigation beforehand. surprise, suddenly you just found additional information? that is highly unlikely. it is indicative of the kind of man he surrounded himself with, right? these are men that have clearly flaunted and disrespected the rule of law. that is the common and and current theme. remember michael cohen got a deal from the frafl government. usually what you do is say i have provided all of the information i know, this is the whoeng thin, and here he is coming after the fact, later on within saying wait don't put me in jail i have more information. but we know where to find you if you're in jail, we can identify you in that orange jump suit. we know that zip code. i understand you have to

one of those is most significantly is the michael cohen investigation that is being conducted by the southern district of new york. other than that, there is one investigation out of d.c. that we know of and then the rest is really a mystery. we really don't know what these other investigations are. >> explain to our viewers on the obstruction front, how much more clear is it to you now why bob mueller did not come to a conclusion on the obstruction of justice charge when we know he looked at ten different sort of series of events? >> it's hard to say, right? because even -- there's a lot of gray area there, and depending on -- different lawyers will have different ideas about whether or not they could have pursued obstruction of charges here. it's still very puzzling why the mueller team decided, you know what, we're just going to let the attorney general make this decision in the end. it does sometimes work that way at the department of justice. but certainly when you go through every instance of potential obstruction, and the way mueller laid it out and the evidence that they gath

second, with respect to cohen, cohen simply illustrates the on speech and on content-based restrictions on speech that are used to prohibit and content-based criteria for government benefits. the reason that the law in cohen was held to be invalid was that it entirely prohibited the use of the word in a public space. here, we're not doing that. the -- the second thing i wanted to say -- and this follows up on questions from the chief justice and justice alito -- that content-based distinctions are really ubiquitous in the registration program. we look to see whether marks are descriptive, whether they're generic, whether they are confusingly similar to existing marks, and often the words that we find to be descriptive, generic, confusingly similar are incorporated into what could be viewed as messages. and in response to any allegation of viewpoint discrimination, we would say we're not denying registration because it is being used to convey this message. we're denying registration to -- because it is descriptive, generic, et cetera. and we simply want to be able to follow the same appr

what did you mean the president found his roy cohen? >> let's look at what happened in the two years of the trump presidency when most of the post watergate reforms have been eviscerated. if you are a president under the investigation, you can fire the one who is conducting the investigation and if they won't ignore the advice and intervene on your behalf, you can hire a new attorney general who has written about how he thinks the case against you is bogus and then that person can get confirmed by the senate of your party without requiring that that attorney general recuse himself and then in place, that attorney general can do what he was hired to do and make the obstruction of justice case go away and prevent the congress from seeing the results, the full results of that investigation. that's what i mean. that's what roy cohen would do and sadly, this is where we are two years into this presidency. >> what is your understanding? there is a fundamental dispute, a conflict. barr air gated to himself the role of screener for what congres

michael cohen's lawyer, lanny davis, said michael cohen drafted that particular aspect of -- he drafted his entire testimony, including the timing of the purported project in russia. it was his words. he would know if they were truthful or not. no one else would have had that information. >> you're not denying you might have been the attorney that made that phone call? >> there is no lawyer that is going to come on your program and discuss what may or may not have been discussed within the context of a possible joint defense. that's just not going to happen. no lawyer would do that. i'm certainly one of those lawyers that would not. >> thank you for your time this morning. >>> coming up, joe biden facing his first test of 2020. and he's not even a candidate yet. "the roundtable" weighs in next. one of the windiest places in america. and home to three bp wind farms. in the off-chance the wind ever stops blowing here... the lights can keep on shining. thanks to our natural gas. a smart partner to renewable energy. it's always ready when needed. or... not. at bp, we see possibilities every

we have cnn reporter marshall cohen this morning. >> good morning. >> great to see you again. i have a question about credibility within the white house because right now the president and his allies are pointing to the report and saying this is the authority on what happened. this is the gold standard. there was no collusion, no obstruction even though we can debate the details of what mueller actually wrote about obstruction. list zwroen what president trump said to reporters when he was asked about news reports back in january of 2018, that he was trying to get robert mueller fired. list zwroen this. >> mr. president, did you seek to fire robert mueller? >> fake news, folks. fake news. >> what's your message today? >> typical "new york times" fake stories. >> so time and time again the president and his allies, the press shop at the white house have told us that stories that wind up being true, like that "new york times" reporting about him trying to fire robert mueller, they essentially say that these stories are fake. so how can the white house point to this report and sa

republicans pushing back saying this is an effort by cohen to try to get out of jail. we'll see what information he has to provide and how democrats ultimately respond. >> thank you. >>> joining me now, gloria borger, and cnn political commentator, joe lock hart, who serves as press secretary under president clinton. i may be a little cynical, which happens sometimes, especially in this business, but this letter from michael cohen, this promise of oh, i've got more, we should just wait, it feels a little 11th hour desperate. joe, how do democrats handle that? >> i think it's a tf one for democrats because i think there's a little bait here for there may be something very interesting, but i think democrats have so far been very careful about calibrating their response. this is a little bit of a trap for them, i think. i fink if they start weighing in with sdny and trying to keep michael cohen, who was convicted of very serious crimes, out of jail, that opens them up to legitimate criticism. while it may be tempting, if they were listening to me, i would say stay away fr

the other thing to keep in mind, is that the michael cohen case is significant not because michael cohen, his former lawyer, pled guilty to a campaign finance violation, but the southern district — my old office — seems to have endorsed his allegation that he committed that campaign finance violation in co—ordination with and at the direction of individual 0ne, who is the president of the united states, so they clearly feel there is a criminal exposure there. i guess it comes back though to faith in the system, the degree of politicization of the system. we are now speaking in the context of a new attorney general, the government's chief sort of law enforcement agent, if you like, william barr, hand—picked by the president, who handled the roll—out of the mueller investigation or the mueller report, in a particular way, which democrats regarded as completely unfair and unacceptable. so william barr is in the post. as you pointed out, in the southern district of new york, he's got his own man, jeffrey berman, who is now the attorney — the job you used to have. in this context

michael cohen who was donald trump's lawyer, cohen said the president's personal counsel conveyed that as a part of a joint defense agreement, cohen was protected which he would not be if he went rogue. cohen recall that the president's personal counsel reminded him that the president loves you and if he stayed on message the president had his back. that is one of ten elements of potential obstruction of justice laid out in the mueller report. what reason would members of congress, yourself, have not to initiative impeachment proceedings. >> well, look. this is a holy day of the year and i want to wish everyone a good passover and happy easter. we focus on what matters. here's what matters to me and elizabeth warren and a lot of us. that takes different forms. impeachment is one form, though that is likely to fail in the end. another form is to beat him in the next election. we can do that if we are smart and get strategic. a third is for indictment or prosecution, that is unlikely to happen now, but it might later and there are ongoing investigations. the ski accountability with the p

cohen according to this report, told the special counsel that after he received this text message from the russian businessman, he told trump about it, so candidate trump at that time about this, and -- and that the businessman told prosecutors that the tapes ended up being fake but he never conveyed that to michael cohen and, therefore, that was never conveyed to trump, and so here you have a scenario was trump was told in october of 2016 that are held bill russians and he's briefed by his own recall fbi director in 2017 in february hand that the russians may have private tapes of him when he was a private citizen during the 2013 miss universe pageant, and that seems significant, and you fought in the context of the president's behavior and so forth well this belief, this potential belief that there were these compromising tapes of him and he's always denied. >> and as you said the russian businessman said that the tapes were fake. >> they were fake. reiterate that. >> he was told the tapes were -- >> he was told -- he was told the tapes were fake, but that was never conveyed to cohen

wait until you hear what cohen, is now saying be his big web of lies when we return. 2,000 fence posts. 900 acres. 48 bales. all before lunch, which we caught last saturday. we earn our scars. we wear our work ethic. we work until the work's done. and when it is, a few hours of shuteye to rest up for tomorrow, the day we'll finally get something done. ( ♪ ) >> subpoena is ridiculous. we have been, i have been the most transparent president and administration in the history our country, by far. only way they can luck out by constantly doing after me -- going after me on nonsense. trish: that is what they are doing, enough is enough, president is right, democrats are on a ridiculous hunt to find anything on the president even if the mueller report cleared him from collusion, it did. joining me, is this harassment? >> he has an argument for sure, we has on his side, strong and enforcement. i take issue with fact that nanu nannancypelosi said he obstructg subpoenas, it is his legal right to ask the court, is this all right, is it going too far, if president chooses to challenge the subpo

cohen, is recognized for one minute. mr. cohen: thank you, mr. speaker. the c.d.c. announced there are now over 700 cases of measles in our nation. it was allegedly old disease that wouldn't come back in 2000 because people got vaccinated. this is the largest outbreak in measles since i think the 1996 time. i unfortunately got polio in 1954 when the polio vaccine was being given to second grade children. i was not in the second grade but my father was giving shots as a pediatrician to second graders which included my brother. he brought the vaccine home and considered giving it to me but knew it was outside of his charge so he didn't do it. and i came down with polio three, four months later. my father and i both wished i had the vaccine. it would have solved and cured a lot of the problems i've had since and have even today. i ask each parent out there to make sure your children get vaccinated so that they don't get measles and they don't spread measles to others and we don't have a terrible outbreak. vaccinations work. i yield back the balance of my time. the spea

cohen has testified in front of congress, then said he lied in front of congress, testified again. obviously the mueller investigation, 22 months and $30 million or so later also looked into these issues, as you know. i know people were promised collusion. those who are still searching for collusion are denying what they see at the border, 103,000 migrants last month, a 35% jump. so it doesn't surprise me at all that the sdny has interviewed other people, but, again -- >> that's what's new in there. the piece -- there is a lot to unpack there, but the piece says that the prosecutors had evidence of the president's involvement in that payment before michael cohen went in that courtroom and implicated the president, which would seem to mean that it's not based entirely on michael kobe's testimony here, that others have documented it. we have seen the images of the checks. >> jim, but remember that the president's outside lawyers have also said that this was not a campaign finance violation, that this was not done in furtherance of any campaign activity, and i can tell you as the camp

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how many blockbusters were there, starting with papadopoulos and ending with cohen who turns out to be a serial liar? how could you have any confidence in this? >> so he is no longer a fan. that said, keeping them honest, robert mueller is a republican, and yes, a number of attorneys on his team have donated to democrats in the past, but mueller is no rabid democrat. and as far as anyone can tell, the amount of information leaked from the mueller team true or false is zero, much to reporters' dismay perhaps but to mueller's credit. there will no doubt be evidence about -- interpreted or acted on. there is really no reason to believe that any games were played in the course of the probe. in any case, the mayor should know that consistency counts when establishing credibility. you can love or hate robert mueller and his team, but if you want the public to trust your take on them, you can't love them one day and hate them the next, depending on what you think they're saying about you. our pamela brown joins us now with her new reporting on the clash over robert mueller's report and willia

how many blockbusters were there, starting with papadopoulos and ending with cohen who turns out to be a serial liar? how could you have any confidence in this? >> so he is no longer a fan. that said, keeping them honest, robert mueller is a republican, and yes, a number of attorneys on his team have donated to democrats in his past, but mueller is no rabid democrat. and as far as anyone can tell, the amount of information leaked from the mueller team true or false is zero, much to reporters' dismay perhaps but to mueller's credit. there is really no reason to believe that any games were played in the course of the probe. in any case, the mayor should know that consistency counts when establishing credibility. you can love or hate robert mueller and his team, but if you want the public to trust your take on them, you can't love them one day and hate them the next, depending on what you think they're saying about you. our pamela brown joins us now with her new reporting on the clash over robert mueller's report and william barr's summary of it. what have you learned, pamela? >> we learn

whereas in truth and fact town for michael cohen, admitted in a march 12, 2019 letter that cohen's testimony was inaccurate. whereas in truth and fact the ex-post representation by cohen's attorney does not annul cohen as intentionally false misleading testimony. whereas in truth and fact, cohen's testimony under oath was delivered in the context of apologizing for all his criminal activities. mr. green: whereas in truth and fact, cohen's denial of ever seeking a pardon contains no qualifiers about the context of his statement. whereas, in truth and fact, cohen's denial of ever seeking a pardon as uttered under oath in his testimony was absolute and unequivocal. whereas in truth and fact, cohen testified under oath that he and his lawyers tent spent hours editing his written statements submitted to the committee on oversight and reform proceeding that testimony which included the written assertion, quote, i have nevered asked for nor would i accept a pardon from president trump, end quote. whereas in truth and fact, cohen's denial and his written statement of never asking for a presidential

cohen, do you know whether president trump's tax returns were really under audit by the irs in 2016? >> i don't know the answer. i asked for a copy of the audit. so i could use it in terms of my statements to the press. and i was never able to obtain one. >> the white house says they are prepared to fight all the way to the u.s. supreme court. with me now is shan woo, a former federal prosecutor and cnn legal analyst. good to see you. would an audit of some or all of the president's taxes protect against any such release? >> it doesn't appear to. no one has been able to come up with the rule that says if you're under audit, you can't release the returns. there's some sort of a common-sense notion that if they're auditing me, i wouldn't want other people seeing the material. but no one has come up with a rule that says that. and of course, it seems to be one of the great unanswered questions. >> the committee's request is based on the 1924 tax law that allows congress tock furnished the records. and it doesn't leave the irs much room to maneuver. here's what the ways and means chairma

my reporting indicated that michael cohen was a really important contact for the enquirer. if they had a story about donald trump they would call in. he would give them stories about donald trump. there were cases when the presidential campaign really got going that the enquirer was sharing almost all of the coverage that it was doing on donald trump or his opponents with michael cohen prior to publication. >> you could track these covers. and seeing how the enquirer really became kind of like a promotional arm for the trump campaign. >> at the time, ami publically denied that politics influenced editorial decisions during the campaign. but tactics like catch and kill indicated otherwise. almost a year before it helped kill karen mcdougal story, ami squelched another story. that thet threatened to embarrass him. in another interview, a former trump tower doorman said ami paid him $30,000 to sign over the rights to a store he heard about donald trump. concerning a salation rumor about his relationship with a former housekeeper. >> i noticed donald trump come to the building.

financeaign investigation led to cohen and prosecutors endorsing the idea cohen's payments, which were a crime, were directed by the president. policy, not the law but a policy within the department for many years about charging a sitting president and one should not charge a sitting president which raises an interesting legal question because these crimes occurred in 2016 and maybe you could say the conspiracy continued into 2017 if there was want any statute of limitations is usually five years, but what that statute of limitations be paused by the fact the president is in office and if you cannot indict the president under the constitution which is the theory behind the doj policy that our system of separation of powers doesn't permit a judge to pass on the criminal activity of a sitting president. and then there's a question of whether that statute of limitations should be paused and not be allowed to expire until after he leaves office? so if he loses the next election, he would be a private citizen and subject to prosecution for the campaign-finance violations if he in fact commi

the michael cohen hush payments all had to do with criminal activity. that's not congress' duty. they are not the fbi. they are not the department of justice. unless they can connect, for example your michael cohen hush money payment to some legislative purpose and not just some general power of oversight which congress doesn't have, then the trumps may prevail. >> they may stop this thing. they may stop deutsche bank and capital one from releasing the financial records. >> it's possible. congress in defense really all they have to do is come up with an artifacculate legislative purpose for these subpoenas. if hedo that then a court might buy their story. >> you're such a defense attorney, danny cevallos, i got to say. so, you is innocent. >> always? >> most of the time. >> okay. danny cevallos, thank you. >>> the trump administration is proposing new restrictions on migrants seeking asylum at the southern border. in a memo sent to acting homeland security secretary lean and bill barr president trump directed additional steps to overhaul the asylum system. that includes a proposa

second, with respect to cohen, cohen simply illustrates the difference between a prohibition on speech and on content-based restrictions on speech that are used to prohibit and content-based criteria for government benefits. the reason that the law in cohen was held to be invalid was that it entirely prohibited the use of the word in a public space. here, we're not doing that. the -- the second thing i wanted to say -- and this follows up on questions from the chief justice and justice alito -- that content-based distinctions are really ubiquitous in the registration program. we look to see whether marks are descriptive, whether they're generic, whether they are confusingly similar to existing marks, and often the words that we find to be descriptive, generic, confusingly similar are incorporated into what could be viewed as messages. and in response to any allegation of viewpoint discrimination, we would say we're not denying registration because it is being used to convey this message. we're denying registration to -- because it is descriptive, generic, et cetera. and we simply want

cohen has always been involved. we know from reporting in the "new york times" that there were years he paid a lot of zpax other years they actively avoluntaried paying taxes. i think you get a sense of why he is going to such lengths. he sued to block turning over tax returns to congress. you see why is it he's so worried that they might make it to congress? >> will we or won't we see them? that is big question. >> we will see donald trump's tax returns at some appointment. we will see some. the state of new york can go after him. under new york state haws, they are virtually identical. >> good seeing you guys. ahead, joe biden said he didn't ask for obama's endorsement. but today his strategy seems to be all about obama. is it going to work? first more on chairman cummings' prison threat, more in 30 seconds. hreat, more in 30 seconds. head. hmmmm. ♪ rub-a-dub ducky... and then...there's national car rental. at national, i'm in total control. i can just skip the counter and choose any car in the aisle i like. so

cohen our lives. to take him and put them there as if we are going to take his credibility over the president of united states is totally warped. at least you've got to put out in that report the issues of his credibility, some people are warned that he lied, what, three years ago months ago in front of cummings that he didn't seek a job. he saw a pardon with me. i will testify against him and his perjury trial and i'll call cuomo the justified because cuomo knows he was seeking. >> laura: why was mcgahn threatened to quit? >> actually at one point he said he told the president he was going to quit. actually had to amend that to say i didn't tell the president that, i had to told that to someone else. >> laura: he recounted in detail to the special counsel. >> he was also wrong after to go very important things. the president never said fire. which is a pretty -- i guess the president had a representation reputation for firing people. but he never said that. the reality is, again, if you are an innoce

my reporting indicated that michael cohen was a really important contact for the enquirer. if they had a story about donald trump they would call in. he would give them stories about donald trump. there were cases when the presidential campaign really got going that the enquirer was sharing almost all of the coverage that it was doing on donald trump or his opponents with michael cohen prior to publication. >> you could track these covers. and seeing how the enquirer really became kind of like a promotional arm for the trump campaign. >> at the time, ami publically denied that poll sicitics influ editorial decisions during the campaign. but tactics like catch and kill indicated otherwise. almost a year before it helped kill karen mcdougal story, ami sk squelched another story. a former trump tower doorman said ami paid him t$30,000 to sign over the rights to a store he heard about donald trump. >> i noticed donald trump come to the building. him and her were very friendly. she had an argument with the coworker. who says i will call mr. trump when you have an argument with s

" details how it fell apart between cohen and trump. it reads in part here, dozens of previously unreported e-mails, text msz ands and documents reviewed by "the new york times" suggest that the falling out with mr. trump may have been avoidable. you think that prince could flip just as well as cohen did so easily? >> there may not be a need for eric prince to flip considering that he is already pretty much doomed himself. if we are looking at the lies that he told or the conflicting statements that he told congress versus what he told the special counsel, almost as plain as day. you need to get special counsel robert mueller in front of congress to verify that the comments made by eric prince to the special counsel are in fact accurate and that might be the nail in the coffin right there. >> one more quick point. george nader in the grand jury talking about those things redacted from the report but that could still be in play in the other referred cases. >> all right. there was an interesting little nugget of that "the new york times"

cohen on the subject. as i recall they were brief and not memorable. i was not enthused about the pro poe sal. i don't recall being aware at the time of any communication between mr. cohen and any russian government official. >> those words "i do not recall" are words lawyers have you use. >> special counsel is saying he's not answering our questions. that's not my characterization. that's from the special counsel. >> that pushes the question why he didn't push harder to interview him. maybe the open question that might be presented if they are -- they would have to maybe litigate it if the president didn't want to sit for the interview. they didn't want to go to the supreme court about the president testifying against his wishes. if they got testimony, there's the possibility of perjury which brings up other questions. >> which is what got bill clinton in trouble as well. pierre thomas? >> george, i couldn't hear you. >> you're weighing in on the president's answers. go ahead. >> that's right. the president was asked specifically on what he knew about