then that will be forwarded to the faa internally to what is called an fsb. then they will make a recommendation for pilot training all of these steps are happening -- have yet to happen. some of them just happened last week so there's still miles to go but, again, we're not going to let the tick of the clock guide this we're just focused on making sure it's done right and the pilots are ready. >> phil, just listening to that -- >> yeah. >> -- and i'm looking at the screen, it says early recertification early mid february if you have to bring in pilots -- >> they've done the 1302 dennis was talking about. there's a public comment period for a couple of these steps here one is for 30 days that they're in the midst of. another one is for 15 days is it possible by mid february yeah, it's possible but nobody's -- and, again, that's why we put that up there >> right. >> that's just the best estimate people have right now. nobody is comfortable saying that's certain. >> by the way, the airlines have been better about estimating this than boeing has they've been mov

the medications that had been put in place in terms of structure and also the casing around the sea fsb leap engines and the reliability of those engines and the reliability that they were certified essentially from their initial manufacturer capable for twin operations which is extremely high level of reliability. so taking all that into account there is actually a risk and adding complexity to an improved system that was put in the nineties to deal with the -- when you introduce a fleet that has additional complexity into an operation that has already got thousands of airplanes out there it doesn't have medians practices that creates a risk, that's how the decision was made and remember that the manager who is making that decision is actually -- >> at faa. >> or with boeing. >> no ad faa. >> so the concern here is that first of all you're talking about increased complexity and not following the guidance that had previously been stated and not doing a new certificate, i think there are a lot of in consistencies in the way you are describing this process and the overarching concern is t