omb to rudy giuliani. there's a couple of zero time calls from rudy giuliani to a, the omb number. maybe that was a pocket dial or butt dial then at 15:57. 3:57, 40 odd minutes the call with the omb number, there's a 22 sexd call with tsecond call the white house switchboard. a 17 second call. a couple hours later. seems like he's trying to get ahold of somethibody and is not being put through with the duration of these calls. >> this adds to the evidence people saw in those public hearings because this is all happening, this log is august 8th. on august 9th, we know from public tennells that became public, and i'm reading again from this new report you have, sondland saying potus wants a deliverable on august 9th, you have ambassador volcker saying we've consulted with everythion quote, including rue di, let's get back on the phone. so we knew there was a lot of plotting going on. what's new is not only is rudy giuliani in the center of this plot, we knew that. but rudy giuliani is having what sounds like lengthy conversations with the budget office and a day later, the so-called

rudy giuliani and who, and is that the president of the united states? we'll find out maybe. >> i thought your interview with chairman schiff was fascinating for several reasons including your line of questioning about when did devin nunes know he was busted. >> right. >> and how did he know it. >> as you know, the committee usually shares information with everyone on a committee, right? and so when i saw that today i thought when did they tell nunes they had him? >> and i took the chairman to be saying to you they gave him that information among other material in a stack, whether he did or his staff did the homework is up to them. >> how could they miss it? >> there's that. there's this very mysterious interesting tantalizing material about who is minus one, negative one, all the different mysteries. obviously as the chairman said rudy giuliani's formal relationship is with the president. so it would be a reasonable inference that would be one of his intended calls. the other surrounded texts in april when he first makes contact with the budget office a

is rudy giuliani going to come in and testify under oath? >> well, we have subpoenaed rudy giuliani for his records and he has refused to comply and refused to cooperate like so many other witnesses that have refused. >> brennan: but you know the president is talking about here? >> look, i have a little idea what the president is talking about except that the president is only too happy to have his personal attorney continue to seek foreign interference in the next election. this is not something that started or ended with ukraine, it began with the, when the president invited russia to intervene in the last election and when the president tried to force ukraine to do it now and dash we feel we have to move forward and we simply can't wait for an election in which the president is seeking already to prejudice by foreign intervention. >> brennan: you know, in the 300 page report that your committee put out it included some call logs, including numbers related to congressman nunn yes, sir and a journalist and there has been a lot of blowback o

rudy giuliani was explicit. this was not foreign policy, we'll be quoting with the words that are highlighted. it will be very helpful to my client, my only client is the presidentnl of the united state he's the one that i have an obligation to report to. were you aware on that same day mr. rudy giuliani gave an interview about what he intended to do and let's go to slide 18. >> this is from "real clear politics." it should be on the screen in front of you as well. what mr. rudy giuliani said about the ukraine, "it is a big story, a dramatic story, i guarantee you joe biden will not get to election day without this being investigated, not because i want to see an investigation," you agree election day refers to 2020 election where president trump will be running for reelection. >> i guess you are right. >> that was my only question to you. you will have to answer questions from the minority council. now and president trump show you -- >> we'll sidestep the volker meeting in 2018? >> let me go to slide 19, please

it's as if rudy giuliani was operating in a vacuum when it was the president clearly directing rudy giuliani to carry out these things the president wanted. but he also made a lot of stunning remarks in this interview, but this one talking about george soros. he says, don't tell me i'm anti-semitic if i oppose him. soros is hardly a jew. i'm more of a jew than soros is. he doesn't go to church. he doesn't belong to a synagogue, he doesn't want israel. soros was a holocaust survivor. his family escaped the holocaust from hungary. they were immigrants from hungary. they escaped nazi persecution during world war ii. rudy giuliani isn't jewish, he's catholic. his argument was george soros is pulling the strings in this ukraine matter, including maria yavonovitch who was recalled during that smear campaign that rudy giuliani was launching himself -- >> it's still being perpetrated. >> what's your reaction? >> i think it's not worth responding to. those are distracting comments also not based in reality. >> he didn't just say he was pulling the strings with yavonovitch, he indicated that there wer

rudy giuliani at the white house today. you report he says heat advisory relationship with the president rather than getting weaker has only grown stronger through all this. >> that's right. what he told us is he feels like their bond has strengthened in some ways because the president feels like the same thing has happened to him as has happened to rudy. rudy is under investigation now by manhattan federal prosecutors and he's a big part of the impeachment inquiry. the president feels like he's gone through this before with mueller and now begin with impeachment and according to rudy feels like they are in this together. you also have this terrific piece of reporting about the call that rudy giuliani said he received immediately after landing back in new york from his trip to ukraine. what can you tell us about that? >> he says that as he was ta taxiing down the runway in new york on saturday after a trip that included stops in kiev and vienna and rome that the president called him and said what did you get. rudy giuliani

the rudy giuliani i know is the rudy giuliani that fought the mob when it wasn't a popular thing to do. he put his life on the line on 9/11. if anyone ought to get the benefit of the doubt, it would be mayor giuliani. >> i don't think it's giuliani that's the problem. it's who sent him, congressman. who is paying him? why is he there? if this is foreign policy, why is mayor giuliani involved at all? >> i don't know. >> you need to defend the president, you must know. >> no. what i can do is point to the democrat of nsc official, mr. morrison, who said when asked about giuliani's involvement, that he wasn't concerned. he didn't think it was anything inappropriate. >> he was the only one. >> it was unusual. and our country has -- our country has a history of using people in a nonprodecisitraditi to engage in foreign policy. the president has engaged with me to carry a message outside of the official channels. i don't think there's anything wrong with that inherently. if rudy giuliani did something wrong, there's a process to deal with it. >> there's a couple of investigations going on. w

>> i think rudy giuliani, yeah. that's probably the only thing i have a problem with. >> and congressman dent, to you, i think this may have got lost in the thanksgiving holiday. you've been hearing from republican colleagues or some of your republican colleagues who are dismay ed by the president' behavior in this. what exactly are you hearing in. >> well, this is nothing new, john. i serve there under donald trump as well. yes, i would hear regularly from my colleagues who would be frustrated, angry and dismayed about comments he would make. because he would always put these members in a difficult position. they would be forced to respond to some absurd comment. and they didn't like to walk by the gaggle every day and try to answer or defend the indefensible. yes, this is nothing new. many are quite angry, to be sure. >> and congressman duffy, you brought up rudy giuliani which is interesting this morning because giuliani is on some secret mission again. he's overseas -- >> 007 here. >> let's play what he said. he

what in the world is rudy giuliani up to? joining me is joel rubin and eleanor clift, washington correspondent for the daily beast. joel, i'm going to start with you on that one. what in the world is rudy giuliani up to? >> well, yasmin, shadow foreign policy sounds too regal, too kind for him. this is just plain old corruption. what rudy giuliani was engaging in was seeking to move a foreign leader out of power on behalf of his own potential clients, on behalf of a member of congress' constituents or business partners, quite frankly, and really was looking out for himself and the real big question is was he informing the president. did president trump know about this? and what was he telling president trump behind the scenes and obviously behind john bolton's back. this is part of a dirty pattern. this is consistent with the way giuliani has been behaving in multiple hot spots around the world. one doesn't know who he represents and he is really is in essence a walking crime scene. >> eleanor, let me read a part of this piec

rudy giuliani is alegend. there are four whistle blowers that yovanovitch silenced -- is there any truth to these stories, please tell me. >> stephanie, it is hard to render a judgment until we have seen whatever evidence rudy giuliani choose forward. i can tell you this much. i know from talking to rudy giuliani's associates. they were making an effort to get some of the ukrainians over here to talk about the conspiracy theory that ukraine interfered in the election. it is plausible that yovanovitch denied visas to some of these people for completely proper reasons because a lot of these people were tied to russian back parties in ukraine and we have to remember the context here. rudy giuliani is under criminal investigation. number two, it is becoming increasingly clear that the whole idea that ukraine interfere was a product of vladimir putin and his intelligence services. there is been classified briefings of members of congress describing and a plot by russian intelligence to insert this narrative into th

just be a cloud around hem. >> we have breaking news about rudy giuliani. we spoke about his allegations about former ambassador marie yovanovitch. kristin, what did rudy have to tell you. >> well, steph, rudygiuliani, and this is by text message, he doubled down that yovanovitch was standing in the way of his investigations in ukraine. we know those investigations included the dna even the bidens. let me read you the dex message that he sent to me. he said i have witnesses and now documentary proof that she was denying visas to ukrainians wanting to come to the u.s. and testify in the collusion with dnc. biden bribery, and yovanovitch. now they have documentary proof. let's just pause there on that last little bit. now they have documentary proof. what giuliani is saying is that he has proof, based on that recent trip that he took to ukraine drk i pressed him on what specifically is this proof that you have, this documentary proof, he would not get specific about that, he would not get specific about what he meant by testifying. we're still trying to drill

there were five calls from rudy giuliani to the white house situation room. then there were texts from kirk volker and then that night there were a lot more calls from rudy giuliani to the white house switch board and the situation room. there's a lot connecting rudy giuliani to the office of management and budget which is inexplicable to most americans. there would be zero reason why rudy giuliani would need to make those kind of phone calls. there are calls between devin nunes -- adam schiff declined to talk about that but between devin nunes and parnas and fruman. there's a lot of people who seem to have a lot of communication with each other. >> that's exactly right. rudy giuliani, just centering on him for one moment, he basically was the head of this shadow foreign policy that we talked about during the hearings and questioned witnesses about. ambassador yovanovitch was basically recalled for the purpose of having rudy giuliani and the three amigos lead this foreign policy and they had broad sway with regard to what they could do in ukraine regarding ou

giuliani was the omb, and why is rudy giuliani calling omb anyway. everyone is back with me. gloria, do you think president trump should be worried after today's report and specifically to jim's reporting about giuliani? >> sure. he's half way thrown him under the bus so i think he may be all of the way under the bus in the not too distant future. of course, the president is concerned, and they can downplay it all they want, but this is a comprehensive report that says a couple of things that should be concerning to the white house. one, this isn't just about a phone call. this is what the report calls a dramatic kresh endo within a month's long campaign driven by the president and his senior officials and they go through who they are and they include the vice president in that, i would add, and they say that they were either knowledgeable or active participants in an effort to extract from a foreign nation the personal, political benefits sought by the president. in other words, as gordon sondland put it, everyone was in the loop, and then they go t

giuliani, rudy giuliani does not work for the u.s. government or the american people. he should not be involved in matters of states. so if there are actual matters of states that mulvaney is stepping out for, for the president to be able to discuss with, with rudy giuliani, that means the president is using him in a way that is potentially national defense matter or security matter. certainly ukraine was an important national dispense matter. it really is quite a serious matter on this unusual relationship that they have. it is just a blurred line between personal and official u.s. government. >> alex, i will give you the last thought. >> there is nothing more costly than free help. that's a real concern here when rudy giuliani is not accepting a paycheck from this president of the united states. it really does raise a question, all of this work he's doing on the side and around the world, who's benefiting from that? hopefully, the president of the united states but we don't know. >> all right, tomorrow i am calling any attorneys i e

and rudy giuliani's formal relationship is with the president. other surrounding text is in april when he made contact with the budget office does tie rudy giuliani and his client back into all of this, whether or not the white house ever confirms or denies what that call signature means. >> what did you make of the new evidence they discovered in the report today? >> i thought it was fascinating and i think you're right to focus on this. this is really the only new bomb shell we see in terms of facts. number one is the the volvement of rudy giuliani talking to this person identified only as white house-1. can't help but wuntd wonder if that's the same person as individual one. certain we know rudy giuliani from his own statements was acting as a personal lawyerer for president. i think he's there as an agent of the president and it brings the president into many of the transactions involved in this case. the other is the involvement of devin nunes talking not only to giuliani but to lev parnas. the idea he is sitting as a fact finder and has vot

not treat what rudy giuliani is peddling here. as fact and look at it in the way that i think it needs to be seen, which is that the personal lawyer of the president of the united states who helped extort this foreign country to try to get the president his personal political help for his campaign in which he's being impeached over right now, that whole scheme is ongoing. giuliani was in ukraine again in the last couple of weeks and he continues to go around pedding these lies and sounds like this is going to be part of the president's strategy during the upcoming impeachment trial. >> the president seems to be distances himself from rudy giuliani a little bit. not like he's really putting his arms out and saying don't come near me. he called rudy giuliani a great crime fighter the other day, but kind of indicated he doesn't really know what he's doing. not sure how many people really believe that. one of the things that has bewildered me is if you want to say that donald trump should not be impeached because you don't think the c

shared a tweet from rudy giuliani. the two men friday after giuliani returned from ukraine, among claims giuliani is making former pr former prosecutor says he was poisoned, died twice and is back. this is the president's lawyer. i mean, what? i think his followers or supporters are holding tight with him. also if you look at the polling, it is not just among the public at large, it is independents that moved in the last couple months to support impeachment. democrats are united. he has to be thinking about that as well. that's why i think it is becoming more frenetic and insane. >> everyone stick around. thank you so much. maybe we can talk it out. the united states reaching out to north korea to try to ease growing tensions. stay with us. tax-smart investing, what's new? -well, audrey's expecting... -twins! grandparents! we want to put money aside for them, so...change in plans. alright, let's see what we can adjust. ♪ we'd be closer to the twins. change in plans. okay. mom, are you painting again? you could sell t

while he was working for rudy giuliani in giuliani's capacity as president trump's personal lawyer. i mean, so lev's working for the president and somebody in russia is sending him a million bucks, really? the impeachment proceedings are under way literally as we speak in the judiciary committee. they're marking up and debating these article of impeachment right now. there's no factual agreement for the things on which the president is going to be impeached but this new question tonight on why somebody in russia wired a million dollars to one of the guys who carried out this scheme for him in the middle of the scheme, that's all still rolling out literally tonight. i mean, it's rolling out in the ongoing investigation by the intelligence committee. it's rolling out in the federal courts as various oversight groups start to pry loose these records of the president's behavior that they have tried to hide inside the trump white house. and tonight it is rolling out in the southern district of new york where federal prosecutors tonight are asking a judge to lock up one of the key players

president trump says giuliani is doing this out of love. >> well, i think rudy giuliani and donald trump in many ways are in all of this together. when you think about these two gentlemen who have been talking about this for a very long time, they're the ones who believe, of course, that ukraine also interfered in the election. they may be the only two who really believe that, at least that's what rouge is trying to prove. and i think if you were to ask a lot of republicans, inside the white house and outside the white house, about whether they believe the president should continue to yolk himself so closely to rudy giuliani, they would say absolutely not, but for now, at least, as long as giuliani is defending the president, the president will defend rudy. >> and joe to this point, remember when giuliani says this about trump? >> i say things like he's going to throw me under the bus. when they say that, i say he isn't, but i have insurance. >> all right. his excuse for that afterwards did not ad up is he was talking about real insurance about being thrown under a bus, just to make it c

>> rudy giuliani is trump's lawyer. so we proved in our case donald trump is rudy and rudy is donald trump. and they are inp inseparable, but lawyers act on behalf of their clients and almost everyone that knew of this relationship said rudy was asking as trump's guy. and donald trump told them talk to rudy, he's my guy. >> are you surprised as the ranking committee member, you know, devin nunes of california he's been opposing all this investigation was in fact an operative. he was moonlighting. he was on the phone with rudy's bunch, with lev parnas, did that surprise you when you learned that? >> no, a lot of things surprise me. that did not surprise me at all. he's got priors. he was the midnight runner in the russia investigation going over to the white house. but i guess maybe what was surprising for the american people was that the ranking member used all of his time during a serious impeachment process not to get to the facts, understand what it meant, but to falsely attack the chairman when now we've learned he

and rudy giuliani was going to be paid $500,000 by lev parnas. maybe he was paid that, but that was the deal. and so here's what giuliani says about his business interests in ukraine. while attempting to argue that despite what has been written, quote, i have no business interests in ukraine. he told me about his business interests in ukraine, quote, i've done two business deals in ukraine. i've sought four or five others he said. isn't this the heart of the matter? he wanted to make -- rudy giuliani kept going to ukraine because the president -- >> i see john wincing already. >> i think because president trump wanted him to look for. >> the dirt. >> to dig up durt dirt, and he was making a lot of money and stood to. >> both of these things could be true at the same time. it's the fact the president gets something out of his f him throwing tidbits of chum out there in the water, feeding things to the washington examiner and the hill and getting that out there in the ether. he was pushing an ambassador of qatar because he's being paid on the side.

and you might say okay, ari, but anyone can call anyone and rudy giuliani is rudy giuliani. maybe he was just calling around. no. these receipts, these new records, these call logs show omb, office of management and budget also initiating calls with giuliani, and having them for several minutes, over ten minutes, what look like substantive conversations and those calls coming the same day pedaling conspiracy theories, tweets again in august around the same couple of days while trump aides rode out their plot to take this money, to seize money, your taxpayer dollars to extort ukraine so there wouldn't be a fair and free election in 2020. this report has a lot in it that you have to care about, regardless of what you think is going to happen in the house or the senate. this is a report about efforts on the record now, because the record suddenly has been released to steal an election, to subvert your democracy. as i said at the top of the broadcast, not a drill. it puts new heat on giuliani, because you can bet new york prosecutors have them, too, or are about to get them. and

rudy giuliani talking to the white house six times. rudy giuliani talking to lev parnas, his associate who's been indicted. and this mysterious number one which we'll get to in a minute. as a legal matter here, jennifer, what do these phone records show you in. >> well, this was a conspiracy. all of these people who were doing this smear campaign on yovanovitch, withholding the aid, it was a bribery and extortion conspiracy. people who talk a lot during a conspiracy are often involved in the conspiracy. if you're looking at this, it's can we put thus person who was previously outside or questionable like devin nunes inside the conspiracy? >> here's devin nunes' own call log. the ones that have been put into the report. four times on april 1th he talked to lev parnas. >> he's talking to giuliani a lot. also lev parnas who has been indicted. >> indicted for funneling russian money contributing to a trump super pac and a congressman's campaign. why is congressman devin nunes in april before we knew lev parnas' name talking to lev parnas.

that rudy giuliani met with a ukrainian lawmaker. so this is who rudy's been meeting with. >> we assume this is the last few days. we don't know when these photos are from. >> i think the actual content of what he's doing is more or less relevant. we know what he's been at there. we also know that line he gave on the interview is bull. i can't even con fimfirm it. what is he playing? secret agent man? >> he's the reason working on behalf of america or the president's lawyer. the president keeps saying, like, you know, rudy has his own business there. this is -- herein lies i think some of the answers that democrats are looking for. >> and we also know that giuliani made these phone calls that came out in the intelligence community. thus is all around the time that the u.s. ambassador to ukraine was recalled. so dana bash was texting with rudy in ukraine even though he refuses to acknowledge it yesterday. and he said i don't remember calling omb and not about military aid. never knew anything about it. does his memory matter? >> i've

giuliani and lev parnas, rudy giuliani's associate while efforts in ukraine was under way. what red flags does that raise? >> reporter: i mean the first thing that i can say is that's a clear conflict of interest. if he's participating in the investigation as the ranking member of the house intelligence committee, he should have recused himself. especially if he was having conversations with mr. rudy giuliani when they were putting pressure on president zelensky. it's interesting to me that mr. nunes continues to be a part of this overall scheme trying to help the president covering up this information while conducting investigations. i do know that the committee on ethics will be investigating these phone calls. >> now that you've seen the report, what should the articles of impeachment will prepare, what should they include? >> reporter: first thing we want to do is have this hearing tomorrow with constitutional experts, impeachment experts. we will be exploring the standards of impeachment. for me it's important to look a -- at the overall pattern and assess the risk. wh

rudy giuliani is showing that. he continues to go to the ukraine and continues to lie about these fake conspiracy theories and it's sort of walking argument for what happens when you leave power unchecked. >> abby, here's the thing. you have these moments in this when today from mr. castro where you say what's going on. there's some basic facts here. still this guy was unable to say it was a fact. let me play the exchange. >> sir, would you agree that joe biden was a leading democratic contending to face president trump in 2020? >> i wouldn't agree with that. >> you disagree. it's your testimony -- >> it's too early. >> that president trump did not view president biden to be a legitimate contender? >> i don't know what he believed or didn't believe. it's too early. >> this is a basic fact. in every single poll joe biden was the run away front-runner. >> he didn't say the leading contender. he said a leading con tenter. i happen to be covering president trump during this time when he was tweeting about joe biden on

so the president has rudy giuliani working for him as a personal lawyer. in that capacity, the president has rudy giuliani go to ukraine and mount this pressure campaign against ukraine to deliver these political favors for the president, right, that's what president trump is now being impeached for, but as part of that work for the president, rudy giuliani has another guy working for him, lev parnas. and it's not just some, you know, public bragging puffery like social media claim, oh, i'm working for rudy giuliani in his capacity as the president's personal lawyer. this is actually lev parnas's quite serious lawyer telling a federal judge that. my client worked for rudy giuliani in mr. giuliani's capacity as president trump's personal lawyer. well, tonight, just a couple of hours ago, federal prosecutors in this case have now written to the judge that's overseeing the lev parnas case to say that they, the prosecutors, no longer believe it is safe to allow lev parnas to be out on house arrest with an ankle monitor while he's awaiting trial on these felony

rudy giuliani. he met with this client in the white house on friday to discuss the findings from his fact finding mission to ukraine to attempt to dig up dirt on the bidens. you say giuliani is acting on his own is creating a counter intelligence vulnerability. is that correct? do you believe that? >> absolutely. he's apparently according to him collected a lot of good information. air quotes. i wonder how much of this information actually emanated from russians. who try to feed this narrative. when they can point to ukraine as interfering in the election of 2016. and divert attention away from them. putin will be happier than a pig in the sunshine about this. the way this is going. i question the providence of this information the russians have strong -- for feeding of strong motivation for feeding the false or fabricated information about corruption or whatever it is he's gathered in ukraine. >> a shocking admission in new yorker telling the reporter i believe i needed former u.s. ambassador to uk

budget, and the president basically was saying, talk to rudy giuliani. i have nothing to do with that. i have no idea what's going on. but give us the background here. what's going on? because some will suggest the president appears to be throwing giuliani a little bit under the bus. >> yeah, he essentially told reporters who wanted to know why rudy giuliani was calling the white house's budget office that they'd have to ask him but it doesn't seem so complicated to him. doesn't seem as if it's a big deal. and shortly before reporters went in the room and asked the president that question, rudy giuliani tweeted for the first time about these calls saying, quote, the mere fact that i had numerous calls with the white house does not establish any specific topic. he says, remember, i'm the president's attorney. of course, wolf, that tweet didn't do a lot to justify why it was that rudy giuliani was speaking with someone from the budget office, something we saw recently unearthed in that report that was released yesterday, but also the numerous contacts that

rudy giuliani said it on this show. the president said it on the call. the on thing that i agree with you that changes the calculus when the president's phone called changed the language. here's the problem, we don't know that the call happened. >> that's the first i've heard anybody make that argument. >> really? >> well, for your line of reasoning to apply, chris, you also have to ignore what the officials in ukraine said. it was november 14th where the foreign minister in ukraine came out and said there was absolutely no link whatsoever between any request for an investigation and the funding. >> then why did they go to vindman and say why do we go to rudy? why did zelensky come out and say if you're our partner, you don't cut off aid to anything in the middle of the war? why would he say anything like that? >> zelensky has been defending president trump's version, his understanding. you have to take this in full context. that's what the president had. >> isn't the full context that zelensky was desperate for access to the american presidency to show

his personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, seems equally uncha sent tonight. talking openly about his ongoing hunt for political dirt in ukraine saying he has the president's support. >> reporter: rudy giuliani is still running his own game of i diplomacy. he said president trump was supportive of his efforts in ukraine. >> how much has rudy giuliani shared about his recent trip? >> not too much. he's a great crime fighter. he's a great person who loves our country and he does this out of love. he does it oit of love. >> reporter: he stopped short of saying whether trump directed him to go on his recent trip but we're on the same page, he told cnn. his comments back up a central argument for democrats if favor of impeaching the president that trump and his personal attorney have pressured ukraine to pursue investigations to benefit trump politically. in his latest media blitz he admitted helping recall former ambassador to ukraine. a well-known anticonstruction advocate. i believe i needed her out of the way, rudy giuliani told the new yorker. she was going to

the rudy giuliani i know is the rudy giuliani who fought the mob and it wasn't a popular thing to do. he put his life on the line in 9/11. if there's anyone that ought to get benefit of the doubt. it would be him. >> i don't think he's the problem. it's who sent him. who's paying him. why is he there. if there is a logical extension of foreign policy as you argue this was about. why is mayor giuliani involved at all? >> i don't know. >> you must know. you need to argue to defend the president. you must know. >> what i can do is point to the testimony of official morrison. who said when asked about giuliani involvement that he wasn't concerned that he didn't think it was anything inappropriate or unlawful. >> he was the only one. >> our country does have a history of using people in a non-traditional way. the president even encouraged me to meet with foreign leaders and carry a message now and then outside of the official channel. there's nothing wrong with that inherently. if giuliani did something wrong which i haven't seen evidence of of course there's a process to deal with that. >

but rudy giuliani and the office of management and budget, what reason could rudy giuliani have to talk to omb? what reason could the president's personal attorney have to talk to the password government that controls finances? >> so that's a real mystery. it has not yet been solved. mick mulvaney, the acting chief of staff is also the head of omb. and we don't quite know how those numbers have been coded, why it's been coded omb. so one mystery is is that actually mick mulvaney, the president's chief of staff? also very interesting for him to be talking to him but maybe not necessarily directly about budgetary issues. on the other hand, could it be an omb staffer or that rudy giuliani was talking about this issue of military aid all the way back in april? at this moment we just don't know. >> what about negative 1? who could that be? >> negative 1, the widespread thought is that it is likely the president. there's sort of a striking pattern of calls in which rudy giuliani calls the white house switch board and then very soon thereafter receives a phone call back from this negative 1 nu

they're closely aligned with rudy giuliani. we don't know everything about their relationship to giuliani or all the things that giuliani was trying to accomplish in ukraine. we know in addition to calling it bold and brazen other republicans have called it weird, just outside of what their comfort zone is. many republicans on capitol hill had to expand their comfort zone during the trump presidency. that doesn't make all of this or any of it impeachable. it makes it hard to understand and uncoil. that is at the heart of one of these articles of impeachment. obstructing congress. congress wants to know much more than the president and his administration have allowed it to know. yes, they have abandoned many house democrats to carry it through, but it lies at the center to one of the articles of impeachment. >> let's bring in law professor kim whaly. also with us jonathan turly one of the constitutional law experts called to testify by the republicans. let's break down the two articles of impeachment against the president. addre

>> rudy giuliani is the president's lawyer and the president and rudy giuliani cleared and smeared ambassador yovanovitch so that the president could cheat an election using your taxpayer dollars for his personal gain. that's abuse of power and that's why we're voting this week to impeach the president. >> do you believe that the way giuliani is conducting himself is helpful to president trump? >> no, but it also demonstrates that the president did not abuse his power in the past tense. he is abusing his power in the present tense, in that when he hears from senator mcconnell that he's going to be acquitted, the signal that he receives from that is a green light and he believes that he can continue to abuse the power of his office to cheat the upcoming election, which gives us the urgency in the house to act. >> senator schumer wants mulvaney and bolton to be witnesses. do you believe rudy giuliani should be added to that list? >> i'm going to go with senator schumer on this. i think he's being surgical in the four witnesses who would fill in a lot of information that we did not receive. we s

rudy giuliani is a step away from imprisoning himself. there is no one else out there talking more trying to get themselves indicted than rudy giuliani. i think he needs a lawyer himself other than trying to represent the president of the united states. in fact, i think it is also fair to say that rudy giuliani literally has walked this president to the doorstep of impeachment. i dare say we might not be here but for rudy giuliani and the way that he talks and cav orts around. but i also have to give props to newsy on this piece. it is amazing piece. and the fact that he's so attention starved that he misses the days that he was the mayor of new york that he'll do anything to sit in front of someone and blabber on or sit in front of camera. i just feel if he wasn't such a criminal, i would feel sorry for rudy giuliani. it's -- he's doing a detriment to his client. i could honestly say that as an attorney, on my professional oath and when you look at rudy giuliani, there are a number of people who could do the president better service than

if the president wanted rudy giuliani to stop, we probably would have stopped hearing from rudy giuliani. he provides this -- things the president wants to hear and maybe some senate republicans might want him to stop being a distraction because every time he opens his mouth there's a new story, a distraction. i think this is something the president seems comfortable with. he's playing to the base. rudy giuliani seems to be here to stay. i don't expect him to be silenced any time soon. >> the president's lawyer says they want to put bill barr in prison and execute me. i want to get your reaction. >> when it comes to extreme language, rudy giuliani kind of takes the cake here. the idea that there are people who would want to execute the president's personal attorney is just another way for rudy giuliani and for the president's defenders to send a message to the president's supporters that democrats that anyone who doesn't agree with the president is out of control. there are dangerous consequences to this kind of language. if we look at this rhetoric that was used throughout the impeachme

rudy giuliani made the president happy, and if they made giuliani happy, they would make the president happy, correct? >> he said he was practically fuelling the president's views, so they had -- there was some discussions about, hey, if you can convince rudy that president zelensky is a true reformer, the real deal, that that would be a beneficial link. >> so you agree that rudy giuliani, before the july 25th call and after, was pushing the ukranians to investigate former vice president biden, correct? >> he gave a pretty good account of his meeting in july 19th. >> if we can put up slide 16, the "new york times" one you referred to. this is dated july 19, 2019 before the call. mr. jewel july sagiuliani says travel to kyiv in the coming days and wants to meet with the nation's president-elect to urge him to pursue inquiries about two matters of intense interest to mr. trump. one is the origin of the special counsel's investigation into russia's interference, and the other is the involvement of former vice president joseph r. biden and his son. >> can we talk about the breakfast with v

do you think rudy giuliani should be calmed to testify? >> so, i think he is a clear and critical fact witness. and there are so many public statements by him. there are actually numerous. start in may 2019 even before we knew what we were going to learn in july about that july call. so, one of the things that that says to me is two things. one, should we need him to testify? no, because he's already testified to the public in essence. but i also agree that because he's such a central fact witness and because you can essentially cross examine him because of all his public statements, it's much harder for him to lie given how often he has doubled down on, of course i did it, of course i was digging up dirt on the bidens. i was doing it as a defense attorney in my capacity as donald trump's defense attorney meaning for his personal interests, not those of the country. maybe the country -- at one point he says maybe the country will benefit too making it clear that it's not about us. so, i think for all of those reasons, there's a lot more ad

. >> rudy giuliani makes them uncomfortable. there are still outstanding court cases and rudy giuliani is one from the district of new york and he's being investigated. even if the senate trial happens expeditiously, we could still get more information about ukraine, about the mueller investigation for months to come after that because of these court katsz. >> if barack obama walked into the white house and we still had a republican white house, they would say, no problem? >> i think the last time i was on this set we were debating whether or not trump was going to dump rudy. we said, he's bad for trump, he's bad for trump. we got the answer. he walked into the white house today, he got the call taxiing down the runway on thursday. these two are together for quite some time. >> i think that's correct. there are some people around trump, around giuliani saying, he should be quieter r. the president does not ask him. >>> a segment on polling in california describes how bernie sanders and elizabeth warren were leading. the banner y

i mean, rudy giuliani obviously was the key person here. i mean, the fact that devin nunes, who has been a total, toady, and someone who has done nothing but carry the white house's water since the president was elected, you know, that's not a surprise, but what's so important here is that the president outsourced this whole operation to rudy giuliani whose interests are not those of the american people. they're only those of donald trump. >> yeah. >> and potentially rudy giuliani who clearly has business interests in ukraine -- sorry, go ahead. >> i was going to say, i agree that the main story is what donald trump did, there's no question, but i think that we can also care about what devin nunes did, and i agree he's been a stooge for trump, and that's not particularly surprising, but to sit there and to be leading the republican side of this investigation basically of the hearings, and to not disclose this relationship to what he's actually investigating, i still think that matters. it may not be as important as trump, but it still matte

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we know rudy giuliani was involved not just from a number of witnesses, you have rudy giuliani in the new york times in march touting that he is going to be going to ukraine precisely because he wanted to drum up business in terms of having them investigate the 2016 election. so you could have the southern district investigating him for bribery. one of the results of that could be, if i were doing that, you want documents, one of the things that's remarkable about what's happened so far, you have congress getting so far with a minimal number of documents, which is really unusual and difficult to do in an investigation. usually that's one of the first things you start with, because that's what you use to refresh witnesses or for witnesses who are less than candid you confront them and say what you're telling us is not consistent. we know from a whole series of reporting that there are documents out there. the southern district has grand jury subpoena power. they can just get the documents. >> in terms of the resistance by the white house in particular to handing over documents to congr

giuliani and racially charge attack on >> interviewing rudy giuliani is a challenge and i can personally attest to that and most recent tv sit-down with ed henry, focuses on the president's personal lawyer being under investigation and as he tries shifting the spotlight to the bidens. >> are you afraid, mr. mayor, that you could be indicted? >> oh, wow, how long have you been knowing me? i've known you several years, you should have jumped all over this in 2015 when this awful conflict was mentioned. >> sure. >> it was hiddenned and suppressed by the washington press. >> the reality is i'm embarrassing you because you didn't do your job. howie: ed henry who follows 4 hours on "fox & friends" weekend by anchoring america's news headquarters at noon eastern because he loves being on television. >> why not? >> joins us now from new york. >> thanks, howie. you had contentious interview as i did him trying to talk all over me. the media failed and you personally failed the story about the binds and ukraine which first broke in 2015? >> well, actually some people overplayed that in the sense t

rudy giuliani. he met with this client in the white house on friday to discuss the findings from his fact finding mission to ukraine to attempt to dig up dirt on the bidens. you say giuliani is acting on his own is creating a counter intelligence vulnerability. is that correct? ? >> absolutely. he's apparently according to him collected a lot of good information. air quotes. i wonder how much of this information actually emanated from russians. who try to feed this narrative. when they can point to ukraine as interfering in the election of 2016. and divert attention away from them. putin will be happier than a pig in the sunshine about this. the way this is going. i question the providence of this information the russians have strong -- for feeding of false or fabricated information about corruption or whatever it is he's gathered in ukraine. >> a shocking admission in new yorker telling the reporter i believe i needed former u.s. ambassador to ukraine yovanovitch out of the way. she was going it ma

rudy giuliani said it on this show. the president said it on the call. the on thing that i agree with you that changes the calculus when the president's phone called changed the language. here's the problem, we don't know that the call happened. >> that's the first i've heard anybody make that argument. >> really? >> well, for your line of reasoning to apply, chris, you also have to ignore what the officials in ukraine said. it was november 14th where the foreign minister in ukraine came out and said there was absolutely no link whatsoever between any request for an investigation and the funding. >> then why did they go to vindman and say why do we go to rudy? why did zelensky come out and say if you're our partner, you don't cut off aid to anything in the middle of the war? >> zelensky has been defending president trump's version, his understanding. you have to take this in full context. that's what the president had. >> isn't the full context that zelensky was desperate for access to the american presidency to show that threshold of power and they need

i mean rudy giuliani obviously was the key person here. i mean, the fact that devin nunes, who has been a total toady, and you know, someone who has done nothing but carry the white house's water since the president was elected, you know, that's not a surprise. but what's so important here is that the president outsourced this whole operation to rudy giuliani, whose interests are not those of the american people. they're only those of donald trump. and potentially rudy giuliani, who clearly has business interests in ukraine. sorry, kirsten. go ahead. >> i was going to say, i agree that the main story is what donald trump did, there's no question, but i think that we can also care about what devin nunes did, and i agree he's been a stooge for trump, and that's not particularly surprising. but to sit there and to be leading the republican side of this investigation basically, or of the hearings and to not disclose this relationship to what he's actually investigating, i still think that matters. it may not be as important as trump, but it st

he calls rudy giuliani a close friend. he says, i'm profoundly disappointed in another long-time respected friend, rudy giuliani, who spent his life defending people from those who would do us harm. his activities of late concerning ukraine have at a minimum failed the smell test. i think he will redirect to our north star, the rule of law, something so precious it is greater than any man or administration. we've had a lot of former officials come out over the past three and a half years and taking the president to task for the way that he's spoken on the campaign trail, for the way that he's behaved towards law enforcement and toward our intelligence community as he has been president, op-ed's about william barr as well. does william webster have anymore sway than anybody else? >> well, he has credibility obviously of having been an fbi director for a long time, appointed by a republican president, george h.w. bush. i think he speaks for a certain segment of the law enforcement community that's frustrated that they've bee

president trump has said that rudy giuliani's going to present his findings to doj. again, lindsey graham has said he's interesting in hearing from ruth bader ginsber rudy giuliani. >> reporter: we know that senator graham and some of his fellow republican chairmen in the senate are not only hearing they from giuliani but many of the specific witnesses giuliani wants to come forward with information. what's so interesting about that is that these are the very same things that president trump was impeached for, trying to get ukraine to investigate 2016 and the bidens. giuliani moving forward on those unabated. >>> coming up, wine cave. democratic candidates launch a full attack on mayor pete buttigieg for his fund-raiser at a lavish california winery. as a struggling actor, caly i need all the breaks that i can get. at liberty butchumal- cut. liberty biberty- cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ the first fda-approved medication of its

giuliani is doing is growing. >> rudy giuliani is still running his own game of diplomacy aiming to dig up dirt on democrats in ukraine. he said president trump was very supportive of his efforts in ukraine. >> how much has giuliani shared with you about his recent trip to ukraine? >> not very much. he's a great crime fighter. he loves our country. he does this out of love. >> giuliani stopped short of saying whether trump directed him to go on his most recent trip to kiev but we're on the same page giuliani told cnn. giuliani comments back up a central argument for democrats in favor of impeaching the president, that drufrp and his personal attorney pressured ukraine. giuliani admitted to helping recall the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine off, a well-known anti-corruption advocate. saying he spoke with both trump and secretary of state mike pompeo about it. believed that i needed marie yovanovitch out of the way giuliani told "the new yorker". she was going to make the investigations difficult for everybody. >> you forced out marie yovanovitch. >> i didn't get her out of the way. i f