president trump has said that rudy giuliani's going to present his findings to doj. again, lindsey graham has said he's interesting in hearing from ruth bader ginsber rudy giuliani. >> reporter: we know that senator graham and some of his fellow republican chairmen in the senate are not only hearing they from giuliani but many of the specific witnesses giuliani wants to come forward with information. what's so interesting about that is that these are the very same things that president trump was impeached for, trying to get ukraine to investigate 2016 and the bidens. giuliani moving forward on those unabated. >>> coming up, wine cave. democratic candidates launch a full attack on mayor pete buttigieg for his fund-raiser at a lavish california winery. as a struggling actor, caly i need all the breaks that i can get. at liberty butchumal- cut. liberty biberty- cut. we'll dub it. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ the first fda-approved medication of its

about you what i see is a whole lot of lev parnas, rudy giuliani, rudy giuliani, omb number, lev parnas, john solomon, a journalist who spread a lot of the conspiracy theories about marie yovanovitch, what do these call logs say to you? >> well, phone records are indeed gold to any investigator. and it is no exception in this case especially when you can take the possibility of lev parnas having possible recordings of some of those conversations and overlap them with actual white house phone records. and here is -- they are stick on many levels, but here is a couple. first, the president's attempts to distance himself from rudy giuliani and programs paint rudy as a rogue a littgent will get more challenging because now we have rudy reaching in to the bobo bows of the white house, he and it is happening preets erepeate lev parnas is caught up in this. hard for trump to say i don't know, you'll have to ask rudy, he wasn't working for me. and then say well, mr. president, it appears that he was because people were answering his phone calls in your white house. and then next, for rudy, it r

of course rudy giuliani, he was a u.s. attorney. he knows that you have a department of justice that the u.s. could use to conduct a reasonable investigation if there is substance there. when we see him now tweeting about this and continuing these trips to ukraine, i mean, is he basically conducting ask and admitting to soliciting foreign election interference? >> it's not how he would characterize it. he's argued extensively for the past several months talking with me and other reporters that he's doing this on behalf of his personal client president donald trump, and of course he's talked about his -- both publicly and privately -- that he did push for yovanovitch to be removed. he thought she was bad. that's what he's been saying for months. what we now know is that rudy giuliani is sort of admitting here that his push to remove yovanovitch was really tied to the fact that she, he claims, was interfering in his work on behalf of the president. so what we're really seeing here is a sort of mixing of official business, him talking

has donald trump asked rudy giuliani to do this? i still think it's not the appropriate way to conduct foreign policy, but ultimately if donald trump told him to do this much the way, you know, i think that he did in the ukraine situation, it certainly seems that way, then that -- that actually is the government policy. it's at odds the same way bolton was very unhappy what was happening with giuliani regarding ukraine, but in the end the president decides, you know, whether or not he wants rudy giuliani doing this. >> scott, is this appropriate? >> well, i don't know because we don't know exactly in whose interests giuliani was acting. i mean, he obviously as admiral kirby said, he's accountable to the president. he claims to be his lawyer. he has paying clients. although he's accountable to the president, there may be other people paying him trying to get outcomes which may or may not be in alignment with u.s. policy. if i were the president, even if i asked rudy giuliani to insert himself into the situation, what i would want to

>> there is a connection between david correia and rudy giuliani. they would have these meetings in the trump hotel in washington in a private room in the blt restaurant there. what one of the texts shows us is that david correia had the inside track on what solomon was going to say. the column was headlined "joe biden's 2020 ukraine nightmare." >> the fact of correia knowing about the effort to get dirt on the bidens, that matters why? >> well, because until now it seems that he was somehow separated from this whole geopolitical -- >> i'm just a businessman, i don't have anything to do with it. >> right. he was the only sort of american-born, university educated -- he was the one who kind of got these -- the meetings. you know, somebody who was in a meeting with firtash, the ukraine oligarch. >> with the connections to putin. >> the connections to putin, who is facing extradition to the united states for bribery charges. his lawyers took a meeting and it gave fruman plausibility because of his appearance, his education, his formality. interestingly

people will be hearing an awful more about rudy giuliani as well. thank you very much for that, laura. i was also looking at some of these phone records. he was also in touch with the office of the budget office, the office for management and budget, which is the office that was controlling the $400 million of aid that ukraine was supposed to get. i mean, it's one thing a child to be talking to the white house, it's quite another to be talking to the budget office when you are not evenin the budget office when you are not even in the administration. now, all of this came out of the house intelligence report that was released, and of course if you go through the details of these call logs involving rudy giuliani, one of the numbers that features is sort of a —i, and apparently that appears, the assumption is that that was the president. so if you go through, it does appear that he was on that phone call with people at the 0mb, rudy giuliani, and that —i phone call with people at the 0mb, rudy giuliani, and that —1 number appears, potentially th

so they all advised zelensky to stay away from rudy giuliani. and by a stroke of almost dumb luck, he avoided having to meet with him last may. but here is rudy giuliani returning to kiev again. he's been there many times over the years. and when you look at his schedule, you can see why he's so confounding to ukrainians because he's confounding to americans, too. nominally he's representing the president of the united states, and he's going there to collect reporting for this counter narrative that they've tried to spread about joe biden, about ukrainian influence in the election. but the people that he's meeting with in ukraine on the ground are representatives of oligarchs. they're some of the more shady politicians in the country. and it begs the question, who is rudy giuliani actually working for as he descends in ukraine, and who is he working for as he spreads some of these narratives? we know he's working for the president, but we also know he's getting paid by other people. and he just doesn't disclose his client list. we have no idea h

rudy giuliani continued to do what he was doing. giuliani went to ukraine again to meet with former ukrainian prosecutors. "the daily beast" described as a group seen at home as odeus and discredited. great company you're keeping. he was there for oan, russian owned. the first two installments included more of the same debunked theories on ukraine. maybe it's not russian owned but of that point of view. a preview of the next episode of oann corresponded and reached a new level of bizarre with unfaulty claims that troops were sent to kiev to monitor giuliani. and a possible confrontation with george soros. >> reporter: within hours of our presence in ukraine, roughly 1,000 troops were suddenly patrolling the city. no public statement was made on why. as media started closing in on our location, security determined we needed to leave the country. three major testimonies taped and recorded, we chartered a midnight jet to vienna and sped to the airport. we were ushered away from the vehicles. we were told ukrainian oligarch was seen ent

also tonight, new heat on rudy giuliani. could he be in trouble on the way he's talking to witnesses. and more on revelations in the impeachment report. we've been breaking news night by night assisted by the new evidence, some of you you may not have heard about yet. but we begin now with breaking news. the white house making it official, they will not participate in this next impeachment hearing on monday. donald trump formally refusing to present any kind of evidence or even engage with what will be the first witnesses presented direct evidence of the ukraine plot to this judiciary committee. this is the committee that will be writing articles of impeachment against the president. this breaks with bipartisan precedent. in the nixon and clinton impeachment investigations, those presidents cooperated. even past presidents who faced allegation of corruption wanted to show cop raugs. who is going to defend you better than your own paid employees? skipping the hearing also denies trump the opportunity to offer defenses on the

giuliani, knowing that here we go, rudy giuliani again? >> i think one thing is the folks all read the newspapers and when they read eric and phil's reports and "the washington post" stories and they see part of the story. and so they're implementing policies that are right and come down in the national security strategy and other documents and through the regular order. there are is irregular process, shadow forn policy to get contradictory things and policies have the impact that they are seeing and it undermines the trust that people could do the missions and take the activity and with the full belief that the president has their back and they're implementing the policy he wants and that is hard to make policy in government. >> and it is simple when basic trust is the foundation. and david, lastly, when there is trouble on the international stage for the administration, he is involved. is there anyone, anyone around the president who is warning the president to keep his distance when it comes to that? >> no. i don't think so. and i thin

you had a great piece about texting with rudy giuliani. how did you take that joke and have you heard from him recently after he was such a bold-faced name in those proceedings in the intelligence committee? >> i have heard from him. i talked to him a couple of days ago right before the holiday. he is pretty consistent in what he has to say, that he is just furious with the press. he thinks that the press is not giving him a fair shake and not paying attention to the fact, but obviously what rudy giuliani says and what president trump says changes all of the time. so what he said was not particularly surprising or game changing, but he just continues to kind of pretend like it's not possible that the president would ever throw him under the bus each though it seemed like what he said the other day might be an indication that he's about to and that he, you know, doesn't think he did anything wrong and the real story is about the bidens and their corruption, allegedly. with you i do think rudy giuliani is making a difficult time, and he did

has donald trump asked rudy giuliani to do this? i still think it's not the appropriate way to conduct foreign policy, but ultimately if donald trump told him to do this much the way, you know, i think that he did in the ukraine situation, it certainly seems that way, then that -- that actually is the government policy. it's at odds the same way bolton was very unhappy what was happening with giuliani regarding ukraine, but in the end the president decides, you know, whether or not he wants rudy giuliani doing this. >> scott, is this appropriate? >> well, i don't know because we don't know exactly in whose interests giuliani was acting. i mean, he obviously as admiral cu kirby said, he's accountable to the president. he has paying clients. although he's accountable to the president, there may be other people paying him trying to get outcomes which may or may not be in alignment with u.s. policy. if i were the president, even if i asked rudy giuliani to insert himself into the situation, what i would want to know is were you acting i

let me talk about rudy giuliani. senate democrats aren't asking for rudy to be one of the witnesses and frankly i understand why, it's for the same reason i don't know if i want to invite rudy giuliani to do a television interview, which is are you giving a platform for a known misinformation abuser, if you will. and it doesn't matter, sort of, if he has gone past the ability to know truth from fiction, what do you do with a witness like him? >> you know, i guess you passively receive this ginned-up report that would probably be the product of fallen and disgraced ukrainian politicians and prosecutors and you file it in the circular file in congress. but, you know, i don't think rudy giuliani will let himself be placed under oath, because i really think after the question "state your name," he would have a tough time being truthful and consistent with all the following questions. the other thing, chuck, he stands up and he seems to brag now about the fact that he got ambassador yovanovitch run out of her position. sh

what is rudy giuliani doing with this trip to ukraine? >> based on my conversations with the president's confidants in recent days, rudy giuliani remains the president's close friend and attorney. in this tumultuous time in the trump presidency he has very few people he is turning to for advice and counsel, despite all of the controversy in the clouds about rudy giuliani, he continues to rely on giuliani to be a political ally, to be out there making a defense for him both in the press the potential documentary. we see that u.s. officials have talked about how ukrainian actions during 2016 did not constitute interference despite giuliani and many republicans continuing to argue that op-ed articles and political opinions constitute an interference in 2016. so giuliani's out there making the case essentially that president trump's conduct was excusable when it came to foreign policy because of how ukrainian leaders operated. >> chris stephens, i was going to ask you -- john, jump in here, if you would. go ahead. >> i just wanted to put a fi

and those are phone calls rudy giuliani to omb. i spoke to several sources tonight who said, why in the world is rudy giuliani calling omb? there is just no reason for that whatsoever. and the quote was, it was highly suspicious. so now we have to ask, you know, what were those calls about, and why in the world was the president's personal lawyer involved with that? >> one is a 13-minute phone call with the office of management and budget, omb, as you mentioned. what does that mean, guy? >> it means they were setting up the hold on the military aid, and he had probably either was just about to or just had communicated to the ukrainians that if you don't do what we're asking you or telling you to do, you're not getting the aid. >> jamie, can you expound more on what you said about jim acosta's reporting about the president -- the campaign is souring on giuliani? >> so here's -- you know, the other day we heard rudy said -- he said he was joking but that he has insurance on the president. when you talk to former white house officials

trumps personal attorney, rudy giuliani. his investigations into corruption of what the bidens were up to in ukraine are what sparked much of this in the first place. moreover, rudy giuliani in ukraine earlier this month continuing his investigation. that drove the left crazy. while he is touting new evidence to vindicate the president, some critics allege rudy giuliani is actually hurting the president more than he is helping. can that be true? joining us now the man in the moment, rudy giuliani. we thought we would ask you personally, rudy, what is your reaction toow those critics who say, oh, my gosh, rudy has to stop while he's behind. they don't even say a head. rudy, they are so critic of the old. >> i don't know.w. maybe they don't believe there was, in fact, substantial corruption in ukraine that went on for years. and that the president of the united states when he asked for an investigation was doing his duty as the president of the united states. maybe they buy into some form of the democratic criticism. but what

. >>> also, rudy giuliani's expanding conspiracy theories. even some republicans are now sounding skeptical, believe it or not. >>> and the trump administration under its saudi arabia policy after a court ruling that some call a travesty of justice. >>> i'm ayman mohyeldin, and you're watching "the beat" on msnbc. >>> tonight as the senate residence a trial of the president for only the third time in this country's history, team trump still pushing misinformation about the 2016 election. a top aide to mike pence pushing the discredited theory that ukraine meddled in the 2016 election. watch. >> does trump still believe that it was ukraine, not russia that interfered in the 2016 election? >> chris, it doesn't have to be an either war. kit be both. >> does the president believe that ukraine interfered in the 2016 election? >> he thinks we should at least investigate it, chris. we're not questioning russia's interference, chris. i'm accepting that but it doesn't mean just because russia interfered doesn't mean others didn't as well. >> and as we

>> there is a connection between david correa and rudy giuliani. they would have these meetings in the trump hotel in washington in a private room in the blt restaurant there. what one of the texts shows us is that david correa had the inside track on what sol oomon s going to say. the column was headlined "joe biden's 2020 ukraine nightmare." >> the fact of correa knowing about the effort to get dirt on the bidens, that matters why? >> well, because until now it seems that he was somehow separated from this whole geo political -- >> i'm just a businessman, i don't have anything to do with it. >> right. he was the only sort of american-born, university educated -- he was the one who kind of got these -- the meetings. you know, somebody who was in a meeting with firtash, the ukraine oligarch. >> with the connections to putin. >> the connections to putin, who is facing extradition to the united states to are bribefor b charges. his lawyers took a meeting and it gave fruman plausibility because of his appearance, his education, his formality. interest

astonishing how all the principals are the same, pete sessions, rudy giuliani. what does it tell us broadly about the work that rudy giuliani does? >> it's remarkable. i did reach out to rudy giuliani to try to get his response to this, to try to see if he could give us any more insight into these conversations he was having. no response. he has consistently said look he hasn't done anything wrong. this underscores the fact that president trump has relied on rudy giuliani for a range of foreign policy matters, not just issues related to ukraine. it's undoubtedly going to boll te bolster those witnesses who testified in house impeachment that was running. i have been speaking to aides and allies of the president and they have consistently said to me that their concern is that rudy giuliani, the president's personal attorney, is doing more harm than good. >> thank you very much. . >>> coming up, under attack. a church in texas and a rabbi's home in new york, two religions both targets over a holiday weekend. what can be done to keep worshippers safe? that's next.

. >>> and where in the world is rudy giuliani during all of this? apparently in ukraine meeting with a conspiracy theory pusher with a kgb pedigree, plus smoking joe. biden explodes on a voter in iowa, calming him a liar, challenging him to a pushup and iq contest. what caused so much tension in an iowa town hall? ♪ >>> welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we begin with our toll picpolit and history with president trump almost certain to become the third u.s. president to be impeached by the house of representatives. speaker pelosi announcing earlier today house democrats are moving forward with articles of impeachment against the president. pelosi saying that mr. trump left her with no choice but to act. members of congress are now faced with these two key questions. one, what do we know about the president's actions, and two, do they rise to an impeachable offense. we know according to the president's own words, he asked the president of ukraine to pursue an investigation of his political rival, joe biden, as well as an investigation into a d

rudy giuliani only cares about rudy giuliani. that makes him a good friend. >> and he's the subject of a federal investigation that's closing in on him and it is looking at some of his work in ukraine which makes it all the more puzzling that under that kind of scrutiny he's back in ukraine. nbc news has just confirmed that rudy giuliani is in kiev right now talking to some of the most controversial figures at the center of trump's ukraine scandal. the "new york times" adding this. mr. giuliani is using the trip which has not been previously reported, to help prepare more episodes of a documentary series for a conservative television outlet promoting his pro-trump anti-impeachment narrative. >> i do think after 14,000 trump lies and under the theory that even a broke clock is right twice a day, i'm going to be with trump on this. i'm going to think that that's a truthful answer. he's like i don't know what he's doing. i've read every story. i have watched every tv package. i have no idea what the hell he's doing over there. i don

and the "new york times" broke the story today with the heat on rudy giuliani. in the midst of the ukrainian investigation rudy has decided there's no better time for a trip to eastern europe interviewing people about ukraine. more specifically working on a new project to discredit the democrats' case against the president. according to the "times," giuliani was in budapest tuesday meeting with an ousted ukrainian prosecutor trying to dig up dirt on the president's political rivals. the "times" reports giuliani then "traveled to kyiv on wednesday seeking to meet with other former ukrainian prosecutors whose claims have been embraced by republicans. former prosecutors who faced allegations of corruption all played some role in promoting claims about former vice president biden, a former united states ambassador to ukraine, and ukrainians who disseminated damaging information about mr. trump's campaign chairman paul manafort in 2016. those claims have been at the base of the campaign to push ukraine into opening inquiries that would benefit trump heading into 2020

having said that, is rudy giuliani redefining chutzpah in our very eyes? >> absolutely.ry in an opening cartoon in alan dershowitz's book chutzpah which is how you pronounce it is a cartoonist saying i'd like to buy this book chutzpah and i'd like you to pay for it, to the cashier. he's engaging in the interference as we speak which is fundamentally an argument for impeachment for the democrats because their argument is it's not just to punish past behavior, it's actually to prevent an abuse of power today and to prevent trump and his allies from trying to rig the 2020 election. if that weren't the issue we could potentially wait for the election. but because they're trying to interfere in the election we have to act now. >> anita kumar, when news breaks on capitol hill over at the white house that rudy is on another ukraine-related trip, do republicans raise a ruckus at all or one you could hear? >> i didn't hear anything. you heard sort of official washington kind of saying what? he's there right now? but from trump people, trump world, you heard a lot o

kaitlan, president trump is rudy giuliani's client pro bono, but it would be odd if giuliani were doing this without the president's okay. what are you hearing? >> he said he wasn't the one to put rudy giuliani up to digging into these investigations in ukraine, but then there are things like the transcript the president ordered the white house to release, and you can see the president telling the ukraine leader three times that he's going to have his personal attorney call him in regards to these personal investigations that he wanted. people in the white house tried to keep giuliani at arm's length, distancing themselves from what he's doing, because they're not entirely sure of his motives and what he's been saying to officials. given what giuliani has tweeted today, people wonder how he has the audacity to keep going to ukraine and given the fact the president is now facing impeachment, there's a lot that rudy giuliani potentially has to do. he says he's no longer in ukraine, but right now, brianna, rudy giuliani is not telling us exactly where he is. >> kaitlan, thank you for that

defend rudy giuliani. >> is the president aware of rudy giuliani is doing in ukraine? >> that's a question between rudy and the president. >> well, yeah it's between rudy and the president because he's doing the president's bidding. that's what he's doing over there. you reported today basically no one had any idea he say showing up in ukraine and the white house was trying to track his movements? >> early this week several days before "the new york times" story broke started getting word that giuliani had made his way overseas and they frantically tried to figure out what he was doing. and they were freaking out he was going to do something that would potentially damage u.s. foreign policy or potentially bring more heat on the administration or the president even as he has obviously done before these various ukraine-related shenanigans. so for days they tried to figure out what the hell was going on but started to create sort of a road map of which countries and which cities he was visiting in western europe or europe i should say. and they happen trying to do this ri

viewers, we have new questions about rudy giuliani because rudy giuliani is confessing to a lot of the actions that led to the president's inevitable impeachment. "new day" continues right now. >>> this is the official start to what you're going to see on the house floor. the most final votes on the articles of impeachment. >> the top allies are concerned about a handful of republicans whose views on impeachment remain unclear. >> sometimes you look to the moderates and think they'll behave differently. >> if the president has got a defense, this would be the moment for him to present it. >> all these hearings down in the basement. they haven't presented any direct evidence to show the president was involved in any crime. >> calling witnesses for the republicans is simply opening a pandora's box. >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day." tuesday, december 17th, 8:00 in the east. what is expected to be an unruly meeting of the house rules committee -- >> uh-oh, irony. >> i think it was mostly just a pawn. >> the hous

the newly uncovered phone calls between rudy giuliani and rudy giuliani's indicted buddy all while the ukraine scheme was unfolding after these two minutes. >>> are you aware of yesterday's daily beast story reporting the indicted ukrainian lev parnas has been working with ranking member devin nunes on mr. nunes' overseas investigations? >> i am not aware of that. >> mr. chairman, you be been falsely accused throughout these proceedings by the ranking member as being a, quote, unquote, fact witness. now if this story is correct, the ranking member may have actually been projecting and in fact he may be the fact witness if he is working with indicted individuals around our investigation. >> that was congressman eric swalwell from the last day of public impeachment hearings raising the red flag about ranking member devin nunes' involvement in the scheme the committee was investigating. at that time all he had was that daily beast story. today we got the report the house intelligence committee released and ranking member devin nunes' name appears in it 50 times. the first time is on the p

and you do wonder, after today, is rudy giuliani next? >> well, and you know, sondland is a wealthy, successful guy. he got a good lawyer. and the other thing that happened between the time he amended his testimony and today is roger stone was convicted for lying to congress. this all came together for this guy to come clean and now the only thing the republicans are left with is what the guy did, what president trump did was terrible, but it's not impeachable. and of course, that's not what trump wants to hear him say. >> all right, ambassador sondland has entered the room. he sat down. he will be sworn in and the proceedings will begin. this is expected to be, after reading his opening statements, pretty damning testimony in the impeachment probe. >> a remarkable day, and you go back to the personal, where i read his story about his wife telling the ambassador that he needed to protect himself, his family and his business. he had worked too hard to throw it all away for donald trump. and it is remarkable, the number of people who have t

you know, we don't really know what might be coming next from rudy giuliani. you know, if there was any credibility to any of this i think as i say we would have heard about it long ago. i think it's important to note that president trump didn't really care about the bidens or this fake corruption in 2017, he didn't care about it in 2018, he was regularly releasing aid to ukraine and then joe biden throws his hat in the ring and becomes the front runner and in 2019 all of a sudden president trump says, hey, wait a minute, i think somebody better look into him for alleged corruption. it couldn't be more transparent, it couldn't be more baseless and it couldn't be more laughable. >> katie, how big a liability is giuliani becoming for the president? >> not becoming, has been since day one. something is really awry with rudy giuliani and now that we know that his known associates lev parnas and igor fruman are being vigorously prosecuted by the sdny and giuliani is under investigation, we know that lev parnas has a tendency to talk, that he's cooperating, has prov

the newly uncovered phone calls between rudy giuliani and rudy giuliani's indicted buddy all while the ukraine scheme was unfolding after these two minutes. unfolding after these two minutes. really important. so we're making it easier than ever to become part of our family. that's why our chevy employee discount is now available to everyone. the chevy price you pay is what we pay. not a cent more. family is important to us. and we want you to be part of ours. so happy holidays. and welcome to the family. all: the chevy family! get the chevy employee discount for everyone today. whether you're out or here on a wifi hotspot. xfinity mobile has more coverage to keep you connected to what matters most. that's because it's the only wireless network that automatically connects you to millions of secure wifi hotspots and the best lte everywhere else. and now get $250 off when you buy a new samsung phone during xfinity mobile beyond black friday. plus, you can save up to $400 a year. click, call or visit a store today. >>> are you aware of yesterday's daily beast story reporting the indicted

howie: i want to get to rudy, i will come back in remaining time, the newspaper report that is rudy giuliani while he's working at president trump's personal lawyer and while working with former top prosecutor in ukraine to find unflattering stuff on biden and the binds -- bidens, does this change the giuliani story in a fundamental way? >> i don't think so, i think there's enormous stench involving all of this stuff and that is been for a long time and details that the stench is strong. >> i think it's directly connected to the white house, the president asked us to read over and over again even at rallies, he indicted rudy giuliani, go talk to my buddy. howie: what do you make the president telling bill oh -- oriley, that he didn't tell him to go. >> if you're watching and paying into the facts it's very clear that he sent rudy to engage in this behavior. howie: you said he sent rudy? >> i'm basing it that whether he sent rudy, talk today his buddy, the president is involved -- >> inserted giuliani into the foreign policy process as far as ukraine but i just want to make sure -- >> rudy wa

there's rudy giuliani at the white house. what are the odds the president's loose cannon attorney was there to peddle his discredited conspiracy theory, seemingly discredited by everybody except giuliani and the president, that ukraine was behind the interference in the 2016 election, not russia? i'd say those odds are pretty good. but let's remember it was giuliani's pot-stirring in ukraine that kicked off the whole impeachment inquiry. now "the wall street journal" is reporting that as giuliani was returning last saturday from a trip to ukraine, while his plane was still taxiing down the runway, the president called to ask, quote, what did you get? giuliani's reply, more than you can imagine, which seemed to please his client. >> he says he has a lot of good information. i hear he's found plenty. >> hmm. another thing that's likely to please his client, giuliani is not just digging for dirt in ukraine. he's reportedly working on a tv series about it because as far as the reality tv president is concerned, if you didn't see

to defend rudy giuliani. >> is the president aware of rudy giuliani is doing in ukraine? >> that's a question between rudy and the president. >> well, yeah it's between rudy and the president because he's doing the president's bidding. that's what he's doing over there. for more on the latest trip i'm joined by two reporters tracking the saga. good to have you guys both here. [ applause ] you reported today basically no one had any idea he was showing up in ukraine in the u.s. government or the white house and they are desperately trying to track his movements? >> well, many senior officials both in the state department and elsewhere in the national security apparatus early this week several days before "the new york times" story broke that revealed what giuliani was doing overseas in multiple european countries started getting word that giuliani had made his way overseas. and they frantically tried to figure out what he was doing and they were freaking out he was going to do something that would potentially damage u.s. foreign policy or potentially bring more heat on the

rudy giuliani was just working the phones. he was just working the phones. he was talking to lev parnas, the omb. this was all leading up to the aid being frozen. >> the first one was literally on the day the ambassador was pulled back from the ukraine, marie yovanovitch, and there are calls to the omb, lev parnas, and the mysterious dash one. >> this is the reason phone records are so important. the second thing you need as a prosecutor and investigator, when you get something like this, nice highlighted phone records, someone might be able to explain what was said during these calls, and who that might be could be lev parnas. all of the indications are he's trying to koo ing ting to coope congress. you go through the phone calls one at a time and say, what did you discuss here. there's a lot they still need to work on. >> and lev parnas's lawyer has been very aggressive at making allegations. these are the outlines of a fact pattern that's pretty clear. rudy giuliani apparently called omb eight times the day marie yovanovitch was recalled. have you ever ca

giuliani sells him he's got it. >> and the one person people are not defending is rudy giuliani to a tee. they wish he could go away and get out of this story. but he keeps placing himself front and center which is where the president wants him to be. >> what you got? he said more than you can imagine. we'll see if that is true. >> we can imagine. >> there is more breaking news we're following. following the historic developments up on capitol hill, the house judiciary committee approving two articles of impeachment against president trump sending impeachment to a vote in the full house next week. i'm leah and that's me long before i had moderate-to-severe rheumatoid arthritis. i've always been the ringleader had a zest for life. flash forward, then ra kept me from the important things. and what my doctor said surprised me. she said my joint pain could mean permanent joint damage. and enbrel helps relieve joint pain, and helps stop that joint damage. ask about enbrel so you can get back to being your true self. enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. serious sometimes fata

dan a bash has had her own conversations with rudy giuliani. the idea that he would come back and lay low, i don't think anyone was expecting it. do you think there's a plan, dare i say strategy for the conversations he's having and the people he's choosing to have them with? >> no. the only thing i know or that he has said about it is that he has one but there's no evidence of that yet. laying low, of course you're right, that's not his m.o. at all. he wanted everybody to know that he went to ukraine, he wanted everybody to know that he claims that he unearthed a lot of things that we don't know but when it comes to, well, what is it? it's in a safe, it's in a vault, i'm not going to tell you yet, we're working on it. >> we'll have to wait and see. he made some comments talking about liberal billionaire george soros, "he's hardly a jew, i'm more of a jew than he is. as we're seeing the public giuliani and getting a sense of who he is in these conversations, it's certainly in sharp contras to america's mayor and the person that many saw in the

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so they all advised zelensky to stay away from rudy giuliani. and by a stroke of almost dumb luck, he avoided having to meet with him last may. but here is rudy giuliani returning to kiev again. he's been there many times over the years. and when you look at his schedule, you can see why he's so confounding to ukrainians because he's confounding to americans, too. nominally he's recpresenting th president of the united states, and he's going there to collect reporting for this counter narrative that they've tried to spread about joe biden, about ukrainian influence in the election. but the people that he's meeting with in ukraine on the ground are representatives of oligarchs. they're some of the more shady politicians in the country. and it begs the question, who is rudy giuliani actually working for as he descends in ukraine, and who is he working for as he spreads some of these narratives? we know he's working for the president, but we also know he's getting paid by other people. and he just doesn't disclose his client list. we have no idea h

howard: so was rudy giuliani confirming he forced her out? doesn't this show at least on this one point that the media were right? >> first off, i just want to say that that language in that news report is exactly what you hear in a lot of news reports, it's usually not done in favor of a republican. but as for what he's saying, i feel like he said stuff like this before. it definitely matches some of the testimony that we heard about his opposition to this ambassador. but really it just gets back to the main issue, does the president have the right to handle foreign policy, to have people in positions as he wants them or not. some people seem to think that the bureaucracy should be in charge of foreign policy, and that is not constitutional, and that's what this whole debate is about. howard: but, jessica, giuliani's detractors say this was a smear campaign, there's no evidence that yovanovitch was corrupt or disloyal and that he needed -- it was an on the record quote from the mayor, that he needed her out of the way. >> rudy giuliani goes

new scrutiny of rudy giuliani after his latest trip to ukraine. "the washington post" reports this morning that in several conversations in recent months, attorney general barr has counseled trump in general terms that giuliani has become a liability and a problem for the administration. in one discussion the attorney general warned the president that he was not being well served by his lawyer. back with us, abby phillip and elie honig. i wanted to play a little sound from the president. the congresswoman brought this up. the president has admitted to almost everything the democrats have accused him of. i want to play that here. >> well, i would think that if they were honest about it, they'd start a major investigation into the bidens. >> it strikes me as crazy there are republicans that will still say he didn't do it. >> one thing i think they will do today is turn donald trump back into the star witness. expect to be hearing sound bites from donald trump. because as important as the witnesses we saw over the last couple of weeks were everything

they haven't talked to rudy giuliani. they actually haven't even subpoenaed rudy giuliani for any kind of testimony. mick mulvaney is the acting white house chief of staff but also the director still of the office of management and budget which is why that phone number coming up looks so interesting. the white house told my colleagues maggie that, in fact, mick mulvaney did not speak to rudy giuliani with regard to this. but that's something that we have not been able to see either mick mulvaney or rudy giuliani questioned about. so that's -- that's where they're at at this point. the house intelligence committee is working with incomplete information but they're saying the information they do have is more than enough to justify the articles of impeachment that the judiciary committee is now about to draft. >> i want you to -- i want to read to our viewers from an article you wrote in "the new york times." you say there's no escape for mr. trump. not in foreign cities, nor in the oval office and not in the television he s

he has written the book on rudy giuliani. there it is, "rudy giulianigiuliani: giuliani: emperor of the city" about his years as mayor. we are happy to announce he's working on a new book on rudy giuliani. first of all, thank you for coming in and welcome. >> thank you. thanks for having me. >> there on my bookshelf at home is your original book, and i picked it up the other day and leafed through it, having read it contemporaneously. i know you get asked, what do you think happened to rudy? i'm going to add to that question, were there people in his life who saw this coming? >> well, you know, i think he's made a lot of choices about how to use his fame from 9/11 that he may end up regretting. but i mean he's in too deep right now. he's in this moment where, i mean, it's almost a surreal moment where the president of the united states is on the brink of impeachment, and giuliani is in ukraine still looking for dirt on joe biden. and it's almost as though everything has come down to this moment for rudy giuliani. like he need

. >>> plus, where in the world is rudy giuliani? the president's personal lawyer back in ukraine on a secret mission as he continues to pursue conspiracy theories. >>> and under fire at home. mocked abroad. how the president fumed at ally leaders to mock him during a hot moment. >>> we continue with nancy pelosi announcing to the country and to the world that articles of impeachment against president trump will proceed. pelosi telling the american people that the president has left the congress with no choice but to move forward. >> the president leaves us no choice but to act, because he is trying to corrupt once again the election for his own benefit. sadly, with confidence and humility, with allegiance to our founders and a heart full of love for america, today i am asking our chairman to proceed with articles of impeachment. >> pelosi delivering those words with a somber tone. manu raju live on capitol hill. so manu, we're told the committee members have to work through the weekend and another hearing on monday. >> yeah, monday

we know this because rudy giuliani is making a documentary, not taking depositions. none of this is about real legal action. this is all about showmanship and political theater.al >> jeremy bash, take a second and tell us where you are on the understandable temptation of mission creep. the temptation that democrats must have on the precipice of this to reach back into the satchel of the mueller report and say look at all this stuff we found. nobody read it, it never came to the, fore. this is at least one if not two more articles of impeachment. >> i oppose that, brian. i don't think this should be a kitchen sink impeachment. although i think you could justify one. i i think for the purposes of this inquiry, it should be constrained to the ukraine issue. it should be the president's conduct in the run-up to the july 25th phone call, the phone call itself, and the activities in the weeks that ensued until he got caught.ee because therein he asked and solicited and demanded a foreign country to interfere in the 2020 election and he conditioned military aid and the whit

the president continues rudy giuliani and suggesting that he's doing good work on this. meanwhile, you talk to everyone else around the president and they're deeply frustrated with giuliani. they think giuliani is creating additional problems for the president. but the president himself continues to regularly talk to giuliani and seek his counsel and giuliani continues to be pushing this as with every bit of much energy he can. >> the president's political strategy, if you do it publicly, did nothing wrong people will believe it. >> and that, his instincts have been demonstrated throughout this mp process with republicans at first beginning to shy away what they saw in that call, most of his aids, they thought it was wrong what the president had said and done. but he drew them back to this line in the sand that he wants to fight on. on the other hand he continues to investigate the bidens. he's got giuliani over in ukraine which raises the question, how will the democrats -- how will this impeachment stop the president? because it will hold him accountable. he's still do

and those are phone calls rudy giuliani to omb. i spoke to several sources tonight who said, why in the world is rudy giuliani calling omb? there is just no reason for that whatsoever. and the quote was, it was highly suspicious. so now we have to ask, you know, what were those calls about, and why in the world was the president's personal lawyer involved with that? >> one is a 13-minute phone call with the office of management and budget, omb, as you mentioned. what does that mean, guy? >> it means they were setting up the hold on the military aid, and he had probably either was just about to or just had communicated to the ukrainians that if you don't do what we're asking you or telling you to do, you're not getting the aid. >> jamie, can you expound more on what you said about jim acosta's reporting about the president -- the campaign is souring on giuliani? >> so here's -- you know, the other day we heard rudy say -- he said he was joking but that he has insurance on the president. when you talk to former white house officials,

it's still unclear who it is that rudy giuliani was speaking with. but essentially what it suggests from the fact that house democrats were able to get a call log of those calls that rudy giuliani made is that they were not encrypted or not made on a secure line or otherwise they likely wouldn't have been able to get them. but despite time and time again the president being warned by top officials not to do so, even in recent weeks he has continued to use his personal device to make phone calls. it really just adds another twist to all of this that we are learning from this impeachment inquiry. >> all right, kaitlan, thank you. it's pretty incredible when you hear that reporting even in recent weeks. >>> cnn political respondent abbie phillip, former director of the nixon presidential library. and asha. asha, let me start with you. people who are looking out for the president and his own staff are saying don't do this. obviously he's been told not to do it by the entire u.s. intelligence community. and yet he's doing it. he is even in recent weeks us

we don't know whether rudy giuliani has met with the president yet today. most likely there's some sort of meeting on strategy going on. the president clearly put out by the vote and taking a very strong reaction against it. >> that's right, andrea. and you can sort of see the two sides of how the president views this. on the one hand, he doesn't like the fact that he is now the fourth president to have articles of impeachment voted out of the house committee. i want to be very specific with the language there because of course he would become the third president to be impeached if that does happen next week. we expect the full house to weigh in on it next week. but he doesn't like that from an historical perspective. i was traveling with him in london for the nato summit. he didn't like that that was hovering over his meetings with other world leaders there. this is something that bothers him on a very visceral level. on the other side, andrea, he understands the politics of it, the fact that once this goes to a senate trial, by all accounts he's going to

rudy giuliani just came back from ooh crane. this is ongoing. >> we don't know what he's doing is illegal. >> this is an ongoing effort to get a foreign power to announce a bogus investigation that will smear his chief political rival. the president had to objection to military aid to ukraine in the last two reers. only in 2019 did he suddenly become concerned why? because joe biden was up by double digits. >> let's say you can find some stink on what happened with biden and burst ma, say that ukraine did things that everybody was supposed to know the answers say they didn't. it still how you went about doing it that gets you in the soup. but something else i thought was interesting. they were banging you over the heads, the republicans. they don't have a good enough case. it not strong enough. why didn't you guys make the case, hey, this is impeachment, this is the indictment. we're investigating the allegations. we're bringing forth a little of allegations of what we think there is sufficient poof to prove but we're not in the