in terms of bagram, i don't buy it. i have flown into bagram. it's a long way to kabul. there's a lot of territory. when you're driving along the road, what the territory moans is every time you get in a car, you might get hit by an rpg, by something else or someone else, some rogue taliban element or isis-k has thrown at you. every scenario, why don't we have a stay-behind force? the taliban took the country over. where are you going to put that thing? every scenario people come up with, including bagram, i'll tell them let's have a conversation because there's a different scenario. i'm going to tell you it's worse, chris. >> let me end it with this. on 9/11, i lived it. i lost people there. 11 days later, i got engaged because i was so convinced that this was the new normal. and nothing was guaranteed. and the next day could be horrible. and if anybody had told me it wouldn't happen again for 20 years, i would have thought they were off their meds. but phil, on the intel side, colonel on the military side, whether you want to take credit or not, as an american, i am ve

you're right about the mistakes, we should have held on to bagram air base. that's a far more secure location than the airport. look, when you have threats like this from isis and they are acute, persistent, clear threats, the first thing you want to do if possible is get off the x. that's not possible. we're stuck at the airport. the next thing you want to do is extend your perimeter. well, relying on the taliban for security outside the wire. they're not security professionals and they, for sure, don't have our best interests at heart. the third thing you want to do take the fight to the enemy, and the way you do that with intelligence and with the military kinetic strike as appropriate. where's the over the horizon capability right now to strike those targets before they target us? i don't think it's there there. it's not going to be there, and that's the problem we're going to face in the region and beyond once we leave. elizabeth: you know, congressman, to dan's point, you know, the pentagon can't rule out taliban involvement. the taliban has never renou

government, that was in the taliban's hands when they captured bagram air base. that's how they have known going house to house searching in those of that they consider collaborators. we know tonight there's americans -- that there are afghans that worked with americans that are in danger, that are in hiding. they know the taliban will be looking for them. they're already looking for them. it's a very, very -- to me it's a very disturbing, sickening situation we've been trying to help many of them over the last few days. the u.s. military has been trying to help them. there's still people stuck and the taliban know their names unfortunately. >> neil: jennifer griffin, thanks very much to jennifer's point and this is something that the administration is going to remind folks about, certainly the president, that up till now, thanks to 13,40 that got out yesterday, that brings the total close to 96,000 that since the taliban had taken over the country have been able to get out of the country. obviously today, i imagine those numbers have shrunk considerably. nothing

bagram air force base was shut down by the military. they deced to leave first and exit all personnel and then the state department decided to stay at the embassy and move to the perimeter of the airport. i think there is a contradiction here. the military has done an amazing job moving over 100,000 people, allies, americans, afghans out. jfk airport three times over a day from the pictures i can see. that is an amazing effort. however, we spent 20 years there and the effort was for not. i heard we were flying money in daily to keep the economy running. so much corruption in afghanistan. the mission was accomplished once we got bin laden. i do not know what we were doing there. the graveyard of empires comes to mind. i think there will be an investigation why the military was selling this to congress. there was money to be mamade. as eisenhower said, it is a military-industrial complex. host: william calling from honesdale, pennsylvania on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i believe i

who made the decision to use hamid karzai international in kabul instead of bagram? you've got a one-runway airport in kabul and a two-runway airport 30 miles to the north that's easily protected and always has been protected by american military with at least twice the capacity and heavy lift capability to get our equipment out and our people out. who made that decision and who was in charge of it? as an analogy, it would be much like the military deciding we're going to evacuate washington, d.c. out of reagan instead of andrews. does that put that in perspective? this is a massive failure that we don't understand. and nobody's talking about how that happened. but it's just one of many failures that have occurred. now, the august 31 deadline, we're talking about a military mission here. nobody can put a date on the accomplishment or the completion of a successful military mission. there's no arbitrary date. the mission is complete when the mission is complete. and if the taliban harms a hair on an american's head, all those aircraft and those aircraft carriers, thos

i can tell you i have driven the road from kabul to bagram before. i imagine there is taliban check points along it now. so maybe people that don't have the ability to get themselves out there. but beyond that it is a bigger base. it takes tens of thousands of people to secure the base. you could theoretically get more flights coming and there is more room to keep people. it may make it not as easy of a target. so i see the argument on both sides, but the big issue with turning over bagram is that was the last straw for the moral of the afghan military. when the u.s. turned over bagram and the way they did it, it signalled that the support from the u.s. is mostly gone. the medivac, the intelligence, everything that you relied on for years was a moral killer. that was the bigger strategic impact of closing bagram. >> thank you, i'm going to sneak in a break here. something we didn't think we would be able to do. any update here, they just are simply waiting to have more, waiting for something positive to aabout the flights? >> no timing update yet on

month half ago, bagram they gave back. you have to protect two pieces of property, the embassy in kabul and the air base in bagram 20 miles north. but you don't have enough men to do the job. because the commander-in-chief is saying downgrade, downgrade, downgrade. then the leaders of the pentagon are saying no, we need x, x, x and the white house is saying you aren't going to get that. so at some point you have to make a decision. are you going to defend the air base north of town or defend the embassy? you know how sensitive democrats became after benghazi some eight or nine years ago. you can understand what the decisions that the commanders on the ground were trying to make here and they decided to go ahead and protect the embassy near the international airport. wasn't the best scenario. one runway as opposed to two. not secure, isolated like you had if bagram. these were the choices they were facing. then the commander-in-chief threatened by the taliban they'll unleash hell on either american forces or afghan citizens

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or the bagram issue, i think that is a long shot. bagram is pretty far. people are having trouble getting to kabul. can you imagine trying to get out to bagram? that's going to be even harder. i don't think bagram is on the table. but at the moment the idea expanding the perimeter beyond the airport doesn't seem to be on the table either. >> in an interview with abc news, president bud enindicated that he actually open to extending the withdraw dead line to whenever all americans are out of the country. they're coming up against that august 31st deadline. what about the afghans who helped them? does the u.s. have a moral obligation to them beyond august 31st? to the degree that once all americans are out, will they have to go back potentially and ask the taliban for more time to get those afghan that's worked alongside the americans out of that country? >> i mean personally, i think that americans do have a moral obligation. these are afghan who's risk their lives, who lost family members in the last 20 years because they were targeting even then by the t

and then i would have blown up all the airbases, but i would have kept bagram because bagram located right next to china, right near china and iran. and it is in afghanistan. so we have the whole group coverage. they spent $10 billion building it. and we handed out the keys. it's the craziest thing i've ever seen. >> sean: mr. president, let me -- i've been playing on this program a map, and this map, it goes through -- it walks people through the movement of the taliban, starting in april and may, and i'm not sure if you have a television on in front of you, but it shows all of a sudden, may, june, july, and you see all of this territory that the taliban was taking over control of pretty much the entire country. our intelligence agencies knew this. i'm getting reports that they were giving dire warnings to the white house, that while they had control of kabul, that they could have -- they could have expedited the withdrawal, and they could have not only got every american outlaw they had total control, every afghan ally out, and that military equipment, the $83 billion of which you

the decision to close bagram was obviously not the right decision. you see this by the fact we have already dealt with a horrific attack yesterday and facing the possibility of more. you pray there are not more and this won't end with more bloodshed. the decision to leave was proper. president biden likes to remind people of his decision to leave. the manner in which it was done is horrific. there needs to be massive investigations to hold people to account for how botched this has been. >> bret: a lot of focus has been the interaction with the taliban. the administration saying it's a fact they control large swaths of the country and are in control of kabul and you need to deal with them. how many intelligence and information sharing you are doing raised a lot of questions over the past couple of days. listen to this exchange. >> what information is very important right now is at the ground level to ensure that as people approach checkpoints, that those taliban checkpoints leaders understand who is coming and what documentation they are supposed to.

he also when asked about the bagram air base, president biden said senior military advisers asked him. the president said altogether something different, general mark milley pointed out, we abandoned bagram because there was a cap put on the number of troops that biden wanted in the country so they were left with no choice. they had to make a decision between bagram or the airport in kabul, so, again, there's a lot of effort from this president to pass the blame along to other people but it is squarely on his shoulders. these deaths and what happens in the future. i will end with this, biden and company will be judged by the number of americans, our allies and our friends who were evacuated from afghanistan. i mean, who are left in afghanistan. not the number that evacuated. maybe the left and the democrats need to stop trying to spin this as some sort of heroic airlift. they need to focus on those people that were left behind. maria: that was just more lies on top of more lies from the democrats and the biden administration throughout this entire ordeal the numbers never added up. we

why would we give bagram up? the greatest fear is if you have one runway, if someone is able to hit the runway it stops the ability of movement of people. why would you remove the military before you removed the americans? and how can we leave americans behind? if earlier in this month you had this spokesperson for the defense say there were 11,000 americans and they say they have 5400 out. they are making a conscious decision they are leaving americans behind. why would you do that? >> harris: you know, i'm so curious, leader mccarthy, why you all have not been called back onto the hill. where is speaker of the house nancy pelosi in this? i've seen your calls for her to say come on, we're going back over afghanistan. what is she responding with? >> she is ignoring us. i am at the hill today. there will be a number of republican members, all the veterans. we'll be here for a briefing. we put on the floor, the republicans, a bill to make the date not august 31st, but when the mission is complete that all americans

bagram, itself, when its at its peak, it was like a large american city. you had something like 100,000 troops that could pass through at any one time. it would have been better, certainly, for the current operations at the airport in kabul and for our own purposes to keep some small, very install footprint there. but we did not. true, there is an over-the-horizon capability, but it is not a quick and easy substitute for having an actual presence there, a small presence there on the ground. i understand the desire to get out, andrea, after 20 years. but getting out doesn't necessarily mean removing every single member of the united states military from that place. as you know, we have our military in small forces stationed at a number of places around the world. >> and we also removed the military con tractors by shutting down bagram, the people who kept the defense air force going, because without that, without the repair and mechanical help and the support, plus the military cover, the air cover. because that really contributed to their sense of abandonm

should have a permanent force in afghanistan. >> i would have checked and maintained the bagram air force base. because of the proximity to the region it is in from russia, from china, from pakistan, the ability when the president tells me to look over the horizon, how can you look over the horizon if you don't have the opportunity? i believe we could have maintained it safely and gone 18 months with no casualties and we could have maintained to runways, it's only 30 my -- nautical miles from kabul. i think it gives an opportunity in the future to maintain peace. >> you said you shouldn't be negotiating with the taliban but trump did that as well. was that wrong? >> he also had conditions and upheld the conditions. trump never gave the names of to the taliban. he never left behind blackhawk helicopters. >> [indiscernible] >> let me be very clear, i would not allow the taliban to dictate the date that americans should leave most up that america leaves and leaves americans and allies behind because the taliban tells you to leave. at no given time, should a present of the united states ever

do you think that from what you know, once bagram air base was closed and they saw that we had left. do you think that that was entirely fair to them? >> well, i certainly think at the leadership levels, i do think president ghani left his count rae men and i know history will be damning to him and no doubt about it and other senior leaders who got on private planes and left people to fight for themselves. there's no doubt that history will treat those folks well or could it. ware talking about the rank and file because let's not forget that tens of thousands of afghan soldiers have been fighting for 20 years and have given their lives of fighting for their country, for democracy and fighting for their families and i think we should not forget that. it is very hard to sit -- i'll say it's very easy to sit in the comfort of a living room in the united states of america and cast aspersions on an afghan soldier who is sitting at a remote checkpoint when the taliban roles up. it's very hard to predict on the hearts and minds of their men when they're thinking about their children and the

, a strategic airbase, before we evacuate everyone. >> reporter: bagram airfield was the largest u.s. base in afghanistan and housed 5,000 prisoners, including isis terrorists. after the americans left last month, the taliban moved in and set the prisoners free. >> i would have checked and maintained the bagram airfield. >> reporter: republican leader kevin mccarthy slammed president biden's afghan strategy today. but minutes after he said the troops should have stayed, mccarthy seemed to reverse that stance. >> i don't think people are arguing about whether we should have left or not in afghanistan. it's how. >> reporter: yesterday's deadly attack has prompted a washington with some republicans even calling on president biden to resign. the white house is brushing off those calls, saying that the focus right now should be on the brave u.s. men and women who are carrying out a risky evacuation that both sides say they support. tony. >> dokoupil: nancy cordes for us at the white house. nancy, thank you. at the with request of the u.s. military, the taliban moved the crowds further away

the air support they would need and we would have kept bagram airbase open going forward. if we were not going to move until then. but the 1st of may, it was a target date. we would have moved as if the conditions were made but we were not moving until the conditions were met. that's where president biden misses. now it's conditions based and again bill hemmer show that when he held up the six page document. president trump said it, john radcliffe said that, former dni, i've said it. look, that is the truth and just go check it out. it was >> jesse: trump's conditions based, the date was the arbitrary date that could've moved if the conditions were not met. biden came in and blew the date up and set a new date, no conditions. pulled all the air support out and pulled all the ground support out. basically boxed themselves into a corner without rescuing any stranded americans without initiation of a process to get afghans and american citizens out. leaving $80 million of weapons in the hands of terrorists. do i have that right? that's the stupidest military blunder in u.s. h

troops abandoned bagram air base so soon. now president biden is apparently putting some of the responsibly on his generals. michael hanlon is a senior fellow at the brookings institution, the author of the art of war in the age of peace. we heard jake sullivan over the weekend, putting at least some of the bring on the military for bagram being close, saying that they used kabul rather than bagram. but they didn't have much of a choice because president biden did not allow them to put enough forces there to keep bagram open and to have hamid karzai operating, as well. >> i think you are right to think about the requirements for patrolling and otherwise protecting a large base like bagram on your own. we used to think about this back in the day on various research trips to afghanistan, trying to help planners think through, if you had this much of a presence in this province of afghanistan, will it be the smallest way to do it? ultimately he would dominic boiled down, at least in large part, to the security of the base. and t

do we need to put the resources in play to reopen bagram air base? there is no way to get these people out. anyone who has talked to people on the background, their hopes have been dashed today because they know this exmotion has changed things dramatically. and what remains to be seen is how we expedite this operation and get people out. the taliban said, this only happened because we have foreign intruders in our country. they are not taking any responsibility for this, despite the fact they did ensure they americans would be able to get out safely. this is a tremendous loss of life for the united states marines that will have ramifications for days, and months, and years to come. >> sandra: this is an extremely dark moment for the country. tweeted this out: cowards kill innocent people. national disgrace. i know that you have talked to our veterans and many who have fought there in the 20 years and how they are feeling today. and nikki haley sending out this message: praying for our troops and u.s. ambassadors. god bless our troops. what may lie a

mccarthy: i would have checked and maintained the bagram air force base. why? because of the proximity to the region it is in from russia, from china, from pakistan, the ability when the president tells me to look over the horizon, how can you look over the horizon if you don't have the opportunity? i believe we could have maintained it safely and gone 18 months with no casualties and we could have maintained to -- two runaways. it is only 30 nautical miles from kabul. i think it gives an opportunity in the future to maintain peace. >> you said you shouldn't be negotiating with the taliban but trump did that as well. was that wrong? rep. mccarthy: trump also had conditions and upheld the conditions. trump never gave the names of to the taliban. he never left behind blackhawk helicopters. let me be very clear, i would not allow the taliban to dictate the date that americans should leave. that america leaves and leaves americans and allies behind because the taliban tells you to leave. at no given time, should a present of the united states ever allow that with t

it makes no sense to surrender bagram. that is 25 miles north of kabul, easily defensible, secure perimeter and multiple runways. now our evacuation plan is an airport with a single runway. i don't know how they can maintain this if i can thun sha it was part of the plan. sullivan also suggested there would not be any adverse effect on our deterrent posture in other regions of the world. that's a joke. right now the chinese communist party is publishing op-eds directed to the people of taiwan saying see? american is not a reliable friend and partner. america turns and runs when the going gets tough. that should offend all americans. this is a dangerous moment for u.s. national security. >> dana: not to mention the frustration and anger from european allies and nato partners. mike gallagher, appreciate your time this morning. >> bill: i want to show you this picture now. a moment ago one of these jets took off from the kabul airport. looks to me like perhaps maybe a cargo craft leaving. where it is going don't know, is it a

the closing of bagram that's so often cited and i spent so much time in bagram as compared to kabul international airport, a wreck of a vulnerable airport, as opposed to a fortified military base. it was almost a no-brainer. i don't understand the rookie mistakes made in the execution of a plan that should have been popular and should have, by every logic, gotten the vulnerable, the most vulnerable people out, and then the military. it's a failure of execution that is falling and i think will cost joe biden his political future. brian: in my humble opinion, president trump never would allow kabul to fall. as soon as he didn't engage ghan i in the coalition talks it would have stopped and he was willing to use his military he showed over and over again and as soon as they started moving on kabul he would have started blowing them up. steve: kayleigh and geraldo -- >> wishful thinking. brian: because he lost the election. that's his track record. steve: geraldo thank you very much for joining us from cleveland and kayleigh we'll be watching you later today on out numbered. ainsley: jillian has head

think about the decision to close bagram when they did. many individuals will tell you the same thing, when they talk to the military, the military asked for a certain number to be able to do this correctly and the administration said no and picked a much smaller number, so they had to close bagram. it happens losing that base -- what happens with losing that base? you had a 5000 prisoners, some who were isis-k, who were released while we were trained to bring americans home. we have an administration and a democrat majority that made america and open border. we have got people on the terrorist watchlist not from central america, but even from yemen, coming across this border. we have more than 5000 prisoners that were held there that had we kept, would not be released. they would not have the opportunity to come across an open border. we have an administration that will not give us an accounting for how many americans are there. we have an administration that won't give us an accounting for what is the plan to bring americans from. i unde

, we had three with good airfields, bagram being the best. neil: we are learning about yesterday's attack, that it wasn't a suicide bomb, there was talk of two, but it was coordinated and a complex attack line after the suicide bomber but up. it might have been concurrent, might have been isis k fighters who fired on approaching us military personnel. what do you make of that? this was well layered, well-planned and in light of the latest threat another such attack could be in the offing. >> never underestimate the enemy. isis khorazon, afghanistan, pakistan, iran region, different from isis in syria and iraq but they have learned from another and use the same tactics in these complex attacks include irregular types of work where you create the explosion and have all the medics and people rushing to the scene and all of a sudden you open with machine gun fire and the issue with kabul airport is it is surrounded by tenements and apartments and office buildings and really do the kind of damage we saw yesterday as opposed to bagram and kandahar

>> reporter: bagram airfield was the largest u.s. base in afghanistan and housed 5,000 prisoners, including isis terrorists. after the americans left last month, the taliban moved in and set the prisoners free. >> i would have checked and maintained the bagram airfield. >> reporter: republican leader kevin mccarthy slammed president biden's afghan strategy today. but minutes after he said the troops should have stayed, mccarthy seemed to reverse that stance. >> i don't think people are arguing about whether we should have left or not in afghanistan. it's how. >> reporter: yesterday's deadly attack has prompted a political firestorm here in washington with some republicans even calling on president biden to resign. the white house is brushing off those calls, saying that the focus right now should be on the brave u.s. men and women who are carrying out a risky evacuation that both sides say they support. tony. >> dokoupil: nancy cordes for us at the white house. nancy, thank you. at the request of the u.s. military, the taliban moved

it is unclear why we gave up bagram airbase. why we didn't have a headquarters to clear our american citizens and allies. this is biden's carter moment. he is linked to the withdrawal of afghanistan. there is link to the crisis in 1981. americans could get killed because the biden is shutting down taliban to afghani money at the federal reserve. you mentioned the president's discussion with george stephanopoulos at abc news. you know has been criticized in the international press over that interview as being quote tone deaf, claiming no one is getting killed when they are, claiming chaos was inevitable, when he said a month ago it wasn't. he had nancy pelosi saying well, biden is wise, saying this is what happens. billions of military hardware, aircraft seized by the taliban, that is what happens in a theater of war. not sure it is wisdom to have americans stranded you know, when you first withdraw and leave americans behind. let's listen to interview with abc news. watch this. >> so a lot of pandemonium outside of the airport.

bagram air force base, we would own the security apparatus. we would know who is mounting and actually doing it. we have better technology. so from that standpoint, we don't control the ground in kabul anymore. separately you have major choke points here. we have masses of people. we're not just talking about a line of people. we have masses of people. and as the perimeter gets extended it pushes those masses of people out and this was struck with devastating effect. i think this will be even more difficult for them to manage as they try in the next five days, if they stick with the time line, they will have even less force to maneuver and try and control this area on the outside. we also keep hearing about the taliban helping with an outer perimeter, doing some of the control. we should not conflate the taliban security apparatus with the u.s. military in terms of securing this airfield. it is not the same. we should remember the taliban has only been there a couple of weeks. they haven't exactly established complete control over everything.

we should have kept a presence in bagram. we should have maintained the airfield and should have got people slowly over to bagram. got american citizens and afghan interpreters, everybody we need to get out of there. we should have started that process. should have drug out a long time so we were clear before we created this situation. now we're in a bad spot. we don't have a lot of good answers right now because we have the taliban controlling the perimeter. i don't know we can get the people in in time. i hope we can. i pray we can. elizabeth: thank you for your comments and thank you for your insights, jane horton and congressman ronny jackson, thanks for coming on and your service to our country. good to have you on. we'll have you back soon. congressman austin scott, talking about eerie echoes of biden attacking trump in 2017 after trump withdrew troops from syria. biden claiming trump was empowering terrorists back then, betraying our partners. now president biden accused of that. we'll tell you what trump did when syri

now, on july 1st, we shut down bagram air force base. the troops were removed before american civilians or foreign service officers and embassy personnel were removed.ug how do you do that? so, the frustration that the state department was having, the foreign service officers, it finally boiled over after multiple warnings into thise dissent cable, which is a very rare thing.ic 22 of the 23 economic and political officers in the embassy kabul signed a dissent cable on july 13th. after warnings throughout june and july, the troops werent removed july 1st. they felt alone. let me just finish by saying this. on january 20th of this year, kabul was free, the american embassy, afghanistan was free, the american embassy in kabul was working fine. and then what happened after that? 2500 american troops and 5,000 nato troops where they are keeping the peace. and then chaos ensued. >> sean: let me go to you, ari fleischer. you are a communications pro of all pros. so, the president has remained quiet as the world watched, you ea know, all weekend

they concluded, the military, that bagram was not much value. -- value added. it was much wiser to focus on couple -- kabul. with regard to -- there are certain circumstances where we've got information and , sometimes some of you saying you know of such and such, a group of people are trying to get out, they are on a bus moving from other people. and, this is their location. there have been occasions when our military has contacted their military counterparts in the taliban and said, for example, this bus is coming through with x number of people on it made up of the following group of people. we want you to let that bus or group through. so yes, there have been occasions like that. to the best of my knowledge, in those cases, the bulk of that has occurred and they have been let through. i cannot tell you with any certitude that there has been a list of names. there may have been. i know of no circumstance. that does not mean it does not exist. that here are the names of 12 people that are coming, let them through. i will take one more question. let me take th

their advice was to close bagram and focus on kabul. >> close bagram and focus on ka kabul. we did that and now a lot of people are dead. nobody has apologized. if you catch your kid doing something wrong you don't rest until they apologize. this is an essential part of fixing a problem. it's not just practically important. it's spiritually important. admit you are wrong. they won't. they don't care what you think. so to this moment the only person who has been punished for the terrible decisions, one marine corp officer who criticized the decisions. this can't go on. when leaders refuse to hold themselves accountable overtime people revolt. that happens. we need to change course immediately and start acknowledging our mistakes. the people who make them have to acknowledge them or the consequences will be awful. thousands of afghan citizens have arrived to military bases across the united states. they're all translators, right. no, that's why they need translators to communicate. there is evidence the refugees haven't been vetted and they're walking off bases with no supervi

their advice was to close bagram and focus on kabul. >> close bagram and focus on kabul. we did that and now a lot of people are dead. nobody has apologized. if you catch your kid doing something wrong you don't rest until they apologize. this is an essential part of fixing a problem. it's not just practically important. it's spiritually important. admit youpi are wrong. they won't. they don't care what you think. so to this moment the only person who has been punished for the terrible decisions, one marine corp officer who criticized the decisions. this can't go on. when leaders refuse to hold themselves accountable overtime people revolt. that happens.we we need to change course immediately and start acknowledging our mistakes. the people who make them have to acknowledge w them or the consequences will be awful. thousands of afghan citizens have arrived to military bases across the united states. they're all translators, right. no, that's why they need translators to communicate. there is evidence the refugees haven't been vetted and they're walking off bases with no s

, was closing down bagram air base. general milley said on june 23rd that it wasn't tactically or operationally necessary for the final -- so right there you have one person who really should resign, not to mention our secretary of defense who's, you know, refocused our military on woke politics and phantom white supremacists who happen to be everywhere. there's just been such a lack of focus on the real things that the american people are paying our military to do. and it's people like this, nicole gee, 23 years old. you talk about the bravery, let's talk about the compassion of our military. holding this little baby and saying when she posted this post, i love my job. i love my job. and then she died. unnecessarily. and we see this plane going over to dover, it just breaks our heart because i just think this was so is preventable and so foreseeable, and it just makes me angry. as well as sad is. >> you know, you look at those faces and read those stories, do you see white supremacy? do you see hate? rachel: right. >>

we never should have given up bagram air force base. after all, karzai international where this is taking place has one runway. all you have to do is put a cratener the center of that and you shut off all air travel. this is a bad situation. i don't have any confidence from what i'm hearing from the secretary of defense. >> neil: what is alarming and you can understand logistics more, seems like they're letting people board planes or those already in this -- not outside that perimeter that the taliban has set up around the airport. no one is penetrating that perimeter to take the defense secretary's remarks earlier, we're not about to try. what does that tell you? >> that tells me that the americans that are trapped outside that airport are not -- never going to get home. the taliban builds up their forces inside kabul will solidify that control, the checkpoints will become more vicious, this is a dunkirk in the making. it's just incredibly, incredibly poor judgment on the exit strategy. i heard president trump last night. he never woul

>> bagram was an enormous base and made it -- also a significant distance from kabul. significant is all relative but farther from kabul and required a presence to protect and not in a place as effective to evacuate people in kabul. >> the president said yesterday quote we have greater threats coming from other countries. a heck of a lot closer to the united states. is there anything to tell us a little bit. what countries he was referring to in particular as a host to afghanistan? it is an alarming statement. >> i don't -- i think he was intending to convey what he's conveyed many times about the metastasizing threat from a range of terrorist organizations with greater capacities around the world and need to keep the eye focused on those as a root reason why he brought our men and women home. go ahead. >> the administration have a guarantee from the taliban not to harm americans who choose to stay behind in afghanistan? >> that is certainly the expectation, yes. we're working through. go ahead. >> jen, a follow up on phil's question but a source sitting here said to m

much of an asset added, and general milley said that if they kept bagram, it would have been what we had or exceeded what we had, and so was that decision about leaving the air base because it was not a value-add or because it would have required sending more troops there. >> bagram was not an enormous base that required an enormous presence, because it has a significance distance from kabul. and significant is relevant, but farther away from kabul, and it was not located in a place as effective in evacuating people who are located in kabul. >> one more. >> yes. >> the president said yesterday, quote, we have greater threats coming out of other countries a heck of a lot closer to the united states, and can you tell us what countries he was referring to in particular as opposed to afghanistan, because that was an alarming statement. >> i think that he was contending to convey what he has many times about the metastasizing threat of a range of terrorist organizations that have greater capacities around the world and how we need to keep our eye focused on those as being one of the root

it was a miss -- bagram. it was a mistake according to the washington post report to give up a deal with the taliban that would have allowed us to keep the entire 4 and-a-half million people in kabul under u.s. control until withdrawal was complete. that decision to turn it over essentially to give it up rather than hold it was obviously made by the president and it was short-sighted. he sent in less troops but as a result we controlled very small amount of terrain which makes the withdrawal and particularly for those who are still outside the gates today very, very difficult. eric: what do you think he should have done? >> well, according to the washington post, he was offered an opportunity for the taliban to stay completely out of kabul which would have allowed the vast majority of the people we wanted to withdraw to be not behind enemy lines but behind our lines. it would have allowed for this withdrawal to be done in a much more orderly fashion. but that would have required quite frankly his decision not

the united states established a military base in bagram and built a prison there by the same prison to which hodge. i live with depth and energy bug on top of that i'm. i know the money also well over the well to but then it's room shuttle not a trip. the show tonight will food or clean does cut. cho, he city, took the as you go, it was tortured for alleged links with the taliban, with whom the americans would later meet at the negotiating table. on february, the 29th, 2020 a peace treaty assigned, obliging nato states to withdraw their troops in return for taliban guarantees that i've kind of town will not become a safe haven for terrorists in america for the company. so why not again? no, no, no, no, no, no, that was reported. a shot there. that you did go to. the nato began to withdraw troops and under the terms of the agreement between the taliban and the united states, the county government was forced to release $5000.00 convicted taliban members, including known warlords. soon after that the taliban would conduct a series of terror attacks and begin to retake the country district

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afghanistan is a landlocked country so why would you begin shutting down all the airports like but bagram and the bus with only a single point of egress in couple. this has been mismanaged from the very beginning and as senator con mentioned fall and to veterans, journalists, activists to try to get afghans out in an ad hoc manner and with regards to the taliban if they are so organized and pragmatic, we just saw the taliban flying a blackhawk helicopter above kandahar with the dead body hanging from it, these are pragmatic partners, the whole thing is absurd and the most shameful thing i've seen in my adult life. >> were you at the airport yourself as you help these evacuations that were underway. >> no. i have been doing this on the side along with others of folks with a deep connection to afghanistan coordinating on line, if you look i have notes from hundreds of afghans, many people i don't even know thanking for help, like watching thousands of people thrown into a black hole all at once. >> a former marine combat soldier, former marine was over there and he was working morning, noon