joanna: thank you. lenny: thank you for the opportunity. judy: and we'll be back shortly with commerce secretary gina raimondo on women and the pandemic economy. but first, take a moment to hear from y ♪ judy: the 19th, an independent nonprofit newsroom and streaming partner of the "newshour," continues its annual represents summit today with, among other things, an interview i did with commerce secretary gina raimondo. we spoke about how the pandemic has especially affected women in the workforce and i asked her what needs to happen for women to feel comfortable returning to work. here's that excerpt. sec. raimondo: you know, i talk to ceo's pretty much daily and they will tell me they have a lot of women who are their very best employees, their very best software developers, their very best managers. they want them to take promotns. they're offering them promotions. but women are saying, i can't do it right now. i can't do it right now. you know, with schools being closed, with childcare hard to find, with -- maybe they have, as i have,

it's an issue of fairness to the police officers. >> reporter: joanna. that's not the way in whic qualified immunity actually works in principle. it is true that the constitution does not lay out specific rules, but the supreme court, in its fourth amendment doctrine and the court decisions that it has had, do lay out general principles, and what qualified immunity requires is not that law enforcement officers follow those general principles but that the payoff be able to find a prior court decision with virtually identical facts. as one quick example, it is well known and established that a police officer cannot use force against a person who has surrendered and is not posing any harm. but a man named baxter hat his se thrown out of court on qualified immunity grounds when he surrendered and officers released a police dog on him, even though in that same court they said releasing a police dog on a person lying down and surrendered is excessive. baxter was sitting up and not lying down when the dogs were released upon him. this is not a matter of notice,

the new york times reports, they allotted snap user joining us now is democratic congresswoman joanna hayes, she's chair of the subcommittee that has primary jurisdiction over food assistance benefits. also with us, daniel were me in little rock arkansas who is a current recipient of food assistant benefits and now assist people in applying for those benefits. daniel worthy, let me begin with you since you are actually living with this problem every day. what does this change mean for you. >> it means a lot. for me personally, it's getting those extra things that my daughter enjoys. she enjoys fruit. she enjoy certain snacks that the kids like. with the money i am getting, no i'm not able to afford that stuff. >> and congresswoman haze, i have heard talk in the congress for decades, recognizing what daniel was going through before this changes coming which is that the healthier diet generally costs more. that the cheapest ways out of the grocery store, where the least healthy ways out of the grocery stores. and yet, until now, nothing's been done about it. >> i am thrilled by this cha

joining us now is democratic congresswoman joanna hayes and also with us, daniel worthy in little rock, arkansas, a current recipient of food assistance benefits and now assists people in applying for those benefits. daniel, will the me begin with you since you're living with this program every day. what does this change mean for you? >> oh, wow, it means a lot. for me personally it's getting those extra items that my daughter really enjoys. she enjoys fruit and she enjoys, you know, certain snacks that kids like. but, you know, with the money that i'm getting now, i'm not able to afford that stuff. >> and, i've heard talk in the congress for decades recognizing what daniel was going through before this change is coming, which is that the healthier diet generally costs more. the cheapest ways out of the grocery store were the least healthiest ways out of the grocery store and yet until now nothing's been done about it. >> i am thrilled by this change. i wrote a letter that the democrats carefully consider the thrifty food plan and really think about how families actually eat. we saw ho