look there are people loyal to trump or trump's remaining power. but if they had been abusive, terrible horrible bosses to people is there likely there will be people who want to turn on bannon and put the screws on him? is that something that the d.o.j. has access to? >> i have been on a lot of tv with both of you guys, i don't think i have ever disagreed with you. but i have got to disagree with both of you. jason, the idea that bannon is like the emperor in sfwarz or like dollar bill in billions -- those people are competent in what they do. they know -- they actually get evil done. bannon is a joke. he's kind of like trump. he has the anti-midas touch, everything he touches turns into -- you know what the word is. so, absolutely, jason, i think, like, the most important point here is that if you are trump or if you are frankly anyone else in january 6th, you have got to worry that bannon could turn against you. this is not a guy known for his loyalty. so it's always about what's in it for himself. there is no, like, underlying principle as curt

trump white house records. u.s. judge tanya chuck is denying trump's request to block access to those documents. judge decided an earlier court ruling on subpoenas writing that the president is not king and added, the plaintiff's not president. national archives, as you know, is set to turn over the first batch of trump's records to this house select committee investigating the insurrection, riding at the capitol. they are expected to do that by this friday. they are almost by definition, all things that trump doesn't want the committee to see. trump has filed an appeal tonight to the d.c. circuit court, that didn't take long. this case is likely to end up at the supreme court. today, the house committee issued even more subpoenas to trump allies. this latest round of requests for documents and testimonies comes just a day after they targeted six other trump allies. today subpoenas went up to ten former trump administration officials including some of the most prominent members of his inner circle. former press secr

, so youngkin could have to campaign for trump in a state where trump lost twice before. wolf? >> his career at the carlyle group in washington was very, very successful. brian todd reporting for us, thank you very much. >> let's bring in the former republican governor of ohio. cnn senior governor john kasich and thanks so much for joining us. glen youngkin will have to navigate this uncertain relationship with donald trump in the years to come from a former governor to a future governor, what's your advice to him? >> just do your job. it will be sitting around worried about whether donald trump likes you or not. you have issues you have in virginia. put the politics aside. you can't calculate where you want to be or where you want to go, just do your job and if it works out the next job will come along, and by the way, wolf, i do want to welcome you back to the united states and i guarantee you the pope wanted to see you more than you wanted to see biden because the pope knows where you are. >> not so sure about that. >> with youngkin's success, governor, specific to thi

donald trump -- you know him. what are his reactions to these kind of turns of events? >> i think, you know, he keeps oh, he has other people fighting his battles for him. he does not like to be hounded. his first response will always be to denigrate or try to undermine faith in the people who are pursuing him. and then when push comes to shove he gradually unwinds. if he has to end up getting into a situation where he's going to be deposed or he has to testify in front of a jury, he is going to completely unspool and do real damage to himself. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. >> thanks, lawrence. >> thank you. and coming up congresswoman katie porter will join us next with the latest, the happening right now on the negotiations tonight among house democrats that speaker pelosi hopes will allow votes on the biden infrastructure legislation in the house. those votes are now scheduled for tomorrow. or are they scheduled? is it something they're just hoping for? katie porter has the answers next. the an

it wasn't about black male or holding anything over trump other than trump seeming to like him. seeming to talk about him in favorable terms. i found that really disturbing. it was a counterintelligence risk. something that we all think putin may have on trump if he can beat that easily manipulated, you are in enormous trouble. >> coming in to ask. arguing to the extension, involved in overreach and russian relations with the west. especially since russia is more regional than a world power. >> certainly, i mean, it was not just in overreach, it was actually a threat. you know, my earlier, you know, when i was starting out, i actually did not think that it was advisable to enlarge nato. who was i at that point? i was doing my work. working as a research assistant. i was not in a position. but, more prominent people who i work with very closely, the famous, you know, famous diplomat who wrote the telegram did not think about enlarging the great idea. my thesis for my phd's. actually holding the job to the reagan era. she also did not think interesting enough that expanding nato w

trump also called into that rally to endorsed youngkin. but notably the guy he was endorsing the republican economy was not president at the very weird flag of in, in fact, he tried to distance himself from. it he will not be president at today's event, reporters said, quote, i will not going to be engaged in the tele-town hall. >> he sure won't be. >> i mean it makes a lot of sense. he is running as a republican in the state donald trump won by ten points just a year ago. he understands that if he wants to win, there needs to be some distance between himself and donald trump. right now looks like that strategy might be paying. up duncan holds he's a very serious competitor -- an outright favorite to win tomorrow virginia. it is a close race either way, take a step, back and look at the history of that state, it be a close race kind of makes sense. democrats and virginia have controlled the governor's mansion since 2014. the state has not along's tree of flipping against the party that controls the white house in congress. in comment, pres

terry mcauliffe ran against donald trump. glenn youngkin ran away from donald trump. he ran harder. he ran harder in the suburbs. he ran harder in the rural colonies. -- counties. he ran harder in areas where donald trump didn't do so well. it was a classic ground game that i think allowed him to overcome terry's lack of message, and the fact that he had a significant head wind. there's this notion that democrats needed a wakeup call. we have had that wakeup call. we just don't know what time it is, and i think the time is we need to be more unified when we go before the american people and tell them what we're doing and not about the sausage making. >> and i was struck. if you drove through northern virginia before election day, where you never saw a trump sign in 2020, there were youngkin signs everywhere. so this was different. >> campaign operatives hate the yard sign polling, but, you know, the last couple of -- >> it worked, didn't it? >> they have been fairly accurate. 2016, people kept talking about the yard signs. look. i think that you can over and under-read what happened

trump in a coup. you got your bannon, your flynn, your carrick. it's a crew. carrick is an ally of trump and rudy guiliani his former boss whoa worked with to, quote, investigate allegations of voter fraud and promote stop the steal efforts. the committee notes reporting carrick paid for rooms and suites in washington, d.c. hotels and served as election related command centers. nice that he paid i guess. he participated in the january 5th meeting at the hotel with the also pardoned steve bannon, john eastman, others. this is where we are tonight with outstanding subpoenas for bill steppian, miller, mccallum. i hope she has a lawyer. definitely should get one if you're watching. john eastman, bernard carrick, steve bannon who has made no move to comply despite the contempt vote against him. we wait to see what the newly subpoenaed trump allies, the january 6th committee, and the department of justice will do next. congresswoman zoe loft democrat from california is a member of the january 6th committee

senator from arkansas was trump before trump. he is an immigration hawk, opposed to unfettered free trade. what he lacks in panache he makes up for indiscipline and strategic planning, but those were not big strong suits for donald trump and did not seem to matter and getting him elected. -- seem to matter in getting him elected. guest: that is a good passage you pulled. presidential candidates can only use what they have. all of them have challenges. all of them have a potential fatal flaw. it's all about timing and who your competition is. i think that donald trump in 2016 against a competent and charismatic democratic nominee, somebody who would not destroy their resume with a problem the way hillary clinton's confidence and strength was shattered by having that secret server in her basement when she was secretary of state, donald trump would have ended up losing that election. for all of his strengths, and he has many political strengths in -- he did not minister win the national popular vote either time and even though that

trump. >> donald trump. >> donald trump. >> trump. >> trump. >> donald trump. >> donald trump. >> trump. >> trump. >> donald trump. >> donald trump. >> donald trump. >> donald trump. >> trump. >> trump. >> trump. >> you know, this is about trump. >> sean: here with reaction is eric trump. your dad has many gifts. one of them is he has this uncanny ability to take up a lot of space in the minds of liberal democrats and media mob. >> i mean, that video, i was laughing watching earlier, it is pretty amazing. they brought in obama, they brought in biden team virginia, harris to virginia, they took the entire democratic lineup, brought them all in, they outrace the democrats so many times, they had a guy who was a former governor of this state who was effectively the clinton poster boy, could do no wrong in washington, d.c. they did all of that, they used his name over and over and over again and the greatest turnout in the history of the republican party for any governor in the state history. it is so funny. they bring in the whole lineup, they raise more money and the use trump and guess w

trump. >> i see the chaos is important. i look at the chaos here at the cop toll. you have conservatives attacking what's going on in portland. the chaos that's there and up and down the west coast. they defend this. well, they don't speak out against this. it's grotesque what these people do. >> it's beyond grotesque and rev, as you watch this video let's remember this is the least of what happened to police officers here. we can show the officers here, officers getting beat at the front steps of the united states america and images sered in america's minds forever. officer brian sicknick died later of course. as this trial goes on as the select committee gets more and more information and more documents, we are going to see again just the extent of how ugly and violent this was on january 6th. >> and what's so appalling is when you see this and other incidents, some that led to death as you say, you really must ask yourself why are republicans including the leadership in the house resistin

if trump doesn't get in then i think it's going to be a pretty wide-open contest. >> so the trump/no trump question is key here but more important i think this some ways, i'm really curious about the question that was touched on earlier. republican candidates, are we going to see more candidates like youngkin or more like margerie taylor green? >> i think you can say that about political parties in general. are you going to see more leaner candidates, i guess is probably the question and yeah, the answer is, with the amount of money in politics now, fridge candidates always have trouble getting their message out. i think we're going to go through a period of the wings of the party having louder and louder voices. i think there's a huge will here along the question that doug got into and that's biden and that's going to well set that field because there's not a great plan b if he doesn't run. so it's going to be a touch choice for the democratic party to say, you know, we have a president who's mid to sub 40's. high negatives on the economy and inflation and energy and the boarder but

you knew trump had very powerfulfriends, had a very powerful movement. did you think very hard before choosing to go so public? well look, because i had gone into the administration in the first instance, and that was a tough decision as well, i did have to think about that, i had a lot of people say don't do it, some people said they wouldn't speak to me again if i did and they haven't, and so irrespective of what i was preparing to do in terms of thinking about national security, there was a lot of people really worried about trump himself and the kind of damage that he was likely to do to the united states which we have actually seen. so having already made that decision, when i was subpoenaed as a fact witness along with many other people, colleagues i worked with really closely, i thought there was no question i had to stand up. i head already been targeted. all kinds of defamation, on the internet, horrible phone calls, threats to me and my family all over the place. i was called all kinds of strange things, i was part of a conspiracy according to

trump was convinced that was his real problem. he was desperate to get out of the white house and in front of his a.org supporters. he chose tulsa, oklahoma, which had and friendly republican governor and and mayor, and place where given covid, holding and rally might be dangerous, but unlike in most other states, it wouldn't have been against the law. the event was and failure with poor turnout that was mocked on social media. it also became -- this was foreshadowing for what would lie ahead -- and superspreader coronavirus event with many tests positive for covid. herman cain tested positive days after attending the rally and later died of covid-19. >>> joining us now to talk about some of the lessons learned from the week that was today with and particular focus on the republican party, former aide to the george w. bush white house and state departments elise jordan. she's an msnbc political analyst and "new york times" reporter jeremy peters. good morning to you both, we really appreciate you being here. elise, let's start wit

look, none of us miss donald trump. but donald trump knew how to be a salesperson. he knew how to tout it. he knew the need for the pageantry and repetition. and i think the biden administration needs to understand that as well. >> i mean, donald trump ran down the country led to unnecessary deaths and covid. i think there are better examples on the message side but i take your point. robert gibbs i want to be constructive and i want to come to you, congressman maloney wanted this exact version of president joe biden out there articulating both that i feel your pain and that help is on the way or i have your back. and i understand this is the first of many events this white house plans. but i wonder if we can be constructive and prescriptive here. what is your advice for strengthening and sharpening this message? >> well, look, i think to some degree they are going to have to do this a bunch of times. and they are going to have to pick individual instances. today the port. again, i don't think that was by coincidence. but picking each individual aspect of this. the

talking about being a traitor to donald trump's and donald trump's wishes and donald trump's cause so, you know, you can't imagine this happening under a bush administration. you can easily imagine this happening with trump as the leader of the party, his personality. his viciousness and his crazy n.e.t. has entirely infected this party and we saw that visited on all of us on january 6th and this is part of the phone call and god hips all in terms of what could happen next. >> republicans did not deal with this during the trump campaign starting in 2015 when he started to say things like i'd punch him or drag him out of here, when people stood up at his rallies, they have not dealt it during the trump presidency or not dealt with it since the attack on the capitol on insurrection day and they don't do it within their own family. we'll show you a screen shot. this is paul ghostary, republican congressman of arizona who thinks it's funny. you see the face of alexandria ocasio-cortez and see the face of paul gosar. this is a doctored animated video in which if we hit play and we won't do

aligned himself with trump. he went back to south jersey, got himself reelected this is also his neck of the woods. >> you can't see russia, but you can see delaware from the southern tip of the state. steve kornacki. thank you and thank you for your ongoing knowledge of all 50 states. we are going to prepare to take a break at the top of the hour. well we thank our guest robert gibbs and tim miller and we thank all of our guests, for their patients being on standby all evening long. that's youngkin campaign headquarters, they are hearing from various folks, leading up to the big moment tonight, which is going to be, the first words from glenn youngkin, who is at least projected by this network, to be the governor elect of the commonwealth of virginia. at the top of the, hour our live special coverage continues. that race, done and dusted. the big question mark. new jersey. they have yet to awarded democratic incumbent, with a second term. over the last 44 years, can governor phil murphy become the lucky one who

but he was not part of the trump/later -- he wasn't at the meeting at trump tower, he had nothing, you would think, to be afraid of. jeff sessions, the former senator who became trump's first attorney general, who lied to congress. he wasn't compromised in any way. so why did they lie? and it's the -- >> i don't get it. to this day, i still don't understand. >> it's like an episode of "columbo." they know there's something bad in this closet. we don't know what it is. trump knows, maybe. we don't know. what we know is when columbo says, what's in the closet? you say, what closet? i have no idea. it's hazardous to lie to the fbi, it's hazardous to lie to the senate, yet trump people did it. why? what were they afraid of? they weren't implicated, they weren't protecting themselves, they were protecting trump. >> over and over and over again. i do want to talk to you about house minority leader kevin mccarthy. he's reacted to these horrific and islamophobic comments made by congressman loren gobert. mccarthy, we understand here at cnn, said he spoke to boebert on friday and encouraged her

the suburbs which trump lost and specifically, he won suburban white women in the suburbs which trump had done much better with, and that represented also a 12-point switch. and a lot of republican governors around the country with the recent republican governor's association meaning it was so glad because a lot of the governors are in blue states who needed a model to show that there is a model to beat donald trump and to win and the blue state and glen youngkin. >> so here's the problem and it's a problem joe walsh points out a lot and no real civil war in the republican party. the republican party and the apparatus are trump supporters who support the stop the steal stuff, who empower these candidates including this woman that we're talking about in virginia. do republicans not need to make a clean break of that. you say that trump was an aberration and that group of people control the republican party including the caucus in the house. >> let me be clear. the aberration is an ideological aberration and it's not a loyalty adherence to the party or to trump and my contention has alw

for committing fraud by fleecing trump supporters, for profiting on trump supporters. in a fraudulent scheme regarding the wall. somehow, he managed to get a pardon on january 20th, trump's final hours in office, clearly, he was willing to do anything he could do, to please that man. because it was the difference between going to jail or not going to jail. >> john, in your reporting, do you pick up either hints or whispers or direct comment, that fears among democrats, that the democrats in the leadership, aren't up to this? they aren't up to the kind of menu before them. the consequences that especially their base wants to see? >> i think there's a lot of second guessing there, i have to tell, you my sense brian is that the january six committee, is very serious, very organized, very determined, and they'll be a lot of second guessing, because you are not going to hear a lot from them in the coming months. they are plotting and planning, and deeply researching, a case that they will present next summer. that's what matters, it doesn't matter what's going to happen bet

now it's about trump, people say i'm a trumper, i vote for donald trump. the republican party comes second to that, that means one man can derp the vision and the mission that doesn't necessarily coincide with conservativism, whatever that may be in this day and alien. so you have a relationship with donald trump, right, you guys talk. you haven't talked in a while from what i understand, but you talk. >> sure. >> trevor: do you see a world where, a, he doesn't run for president and then, b, a world where you can convince him to not make the next election about this? because you know he's going to do that. >> well, look, i think a few things. first off, there's a really new interesting poll today out of iowa. iowa republicans being polled by the des moines register, and they're amongst the most conservative republicans in america. they ask where's your loyalty the most to republican party or to donald trump. 62% said the republican party. 26% said donald trump, in iowa. so i think things are changing, trevor. i think as he's no longer on the twitter -- he'

trump-labeled property. >>> that is tonight's "last word." "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now. ♪♪ >>> and good evening once again. day 300 of the biden administration. one-time trump campaign manager, white house strategist and maga megaphone steve bannon surrendered to the fbi today, days after being in contempt of criminal charges for defying a subpoena from the january 6 committee. he livestreamed his arrival. >> i want you guys to folk on us the message. this is all noise, that's signal. >> this is bannon's first court appearance. in this case he did not enter a plea for the two misdemeanor counts of attempt by congress. that's expected thursday when he will appear before another federal judge. bannon was released without bail but had to surrender his passport and must check in weekly with court officials. after today's hearing, he and his lawyer david showen, who represented trump, you'll recall, in the second impeachment trial, went on the attack. >> this is going to be the misdemeanor from hell for merrick garland, nanc

you don't need trump. those people are going to crawl over broken glass to vote against the democrats now, trump or no trump. because you already have them, you don't need him. you're better off without him. i wonder how much republican strategists get that message from this? >> i lot more than one may think and certainly a lot more than you may hear in a public square coming on a program like this to talk about it. it is -- it is -- as we've seen with a lot inside my party over the last few years, there are a lot of hushed tones and sidebar conversations and nodding heads and rolling eyes and, oh, my god. and then they get out in public and they're like, you know, donald trump is the best thing that happened to the republican party and they head offstage and throw up in the trash can. and so this is -- this is the reality that the party now finds itself. and what i think you're going to see in some races are candidates coming out and saying bunk that. i'm going to stand firm on conservative, republican pr

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he of trump he candidates. there influenced by youngkin victory. he is out of the youngkin mold. >> i think it was locked that he didn't have a temper tantrum and insert himself. he tried. they kept saying he was going to have this town hall, invitation only. if a tree falls, did it really happen? >> that's a very interesting point about trump. a number of people have used, isn't odd he hasn't come out and slammed youngkin, particularly when youngkin was denying him publicly. youngkin played the judas role perfectly. he just rolled the sap suckers up into one character. trump was ok with that. i think i know why. for trump, he can suffer those outrageous assault on his person , it begot the wind -- begot the win, in a race like that, and state like virginia, it sets him up perfectly going in. if all the others fall in line, he gets the bragging rights, we sought within hours, taking credit and saying my voters got youngkin across the line. trump was playing a long game, looking into next year, using this virgin

same thing with donald trump. does he want to run and lose again, we don't know so that's why this chatter is happening and also because his numbers have dropped. also because he is a vice president who's historically pretty unpopular. howard: she unfairly gets bad press. >> she does. howard: she partially does. she partially can be politically clumsy. >> i always say there is too many hours to fill with stuff to talk about and you got to talk about something and this is a war in the democratic, not just whether or not whether he will run, but people are worried he's the only person that could be donald trump. howard: on that point when we go to the republican side and trump has given every indication he will run and his team put leaked to political and memo showing him ahead of biden in five key states. is the press anymore certain even though donald trump could absolutely easily win the republican nomination that he will do this at the age of 78 >> i don't think there's any certainty there, but i think that is s

that is basically were trump was at this point and were trump ended up in 2018. it looks really dangerous. there are a few differences. this year, compared to previous, at least the last four. redistricting year, which in fort lee for democrats, it is more peril than upside for them. we have different coalitions and voting patterns this election then we have in previous elections. every elector is different every year. so doing sort of a deep dive on that i think will be important in understanding who turns out traditionally and midterm elections, especially now that democrats are doing much better with white college-educated voters who tend to be big -- consistent voters. finally, the trump factor. he was not much of a factor in virginia or new jersey, he was disciplined. that might not be so easy to pull off come 2022. so i will leave it at that and go on to the rest of the panel. >> thank you, that is a great start. up next, chris. he is a senior fellow at the american enterprise institute where he follows voting trends, public opinion and american media. he i

as more trump folks get subpoenas. we had six yesterday, ten today, upon all receiving the subpoenas, they all decide whether or not they're going to comply with them. that justice department decision about whether or not steve bannon will be prosecuted for contempt for defying that subpoena. that justice department decision may well be determinative whether or not the justice department has the power to prosecute anything. the justice department, with individual people who went into the capitol, individual rioters, individual people who looted and hurt cops, hurt people on january 6th. arrested hundreds of people, isn't this case, working their way through the courts. the justice department has done nothing in terms of the organizers of the january 6th event. the people who invited people to come to washington, because they promoted this theory that mike pence could be pressured, physically stopped from counting the electoral votes and that would undo the election result, the justice department appears to be letting t

who are uneasy about trump. any effort to stop trump in the party is going to be very, very difficult. in some ways, this comes back to those republican voters who are uneasy with trump if they continue to drift back toward candidates like youngkin, they are more likely, i think, to get trump as their nominee in 2024. >> okay, so, scott, having said all of this. trump is in the race, he is not really in the race. he is kind of in the race. he hasn't been there but he is doing these tele-rallies. i mean, he also released a statement today full of lies falsely questioning the integrity of virginia's elections but also telling his base to flood the system and get out and vote. for months, he has been saying don't trust the election, don't trust the system. and now, he wants people to go vote. you can't have it both ways. or i don't know. maybe, you can? >> well, he certainly told the people of georgia back in january that their votes wouldn't count and some were listening. and he is -- and he has been on this messa

trump when frankly, people are, they will trump. when i go to the gas station and i have to pay, you know, $10.00 more to fill up my pay. i'm not thinking about donald trump. i'm thinking about the fact that the white house, the senate, and the house are controlled by democrats. so ultimately that is the power, hardy, and power, hardy and power was not, was not popular and virginia terry mccall set itself. he said washington, headwinds are coming our way. the president is not popular. and so therefore, he became a victim of the democratic party and the dysfunction and washington, which as you know, it's about far from virginia. right. and suddenly it started to look like, hey, democrats can govern, they can't make things happen. and terry suffered for and the, the worst part about it. he didn't have anything to say. you didn't have any, you didn't have a victory to show from the democratic party. you didn't really have a vision either. and glen johnson, frankly, was a strong candidate for the republic, really was so they were lucky

they have subpoenaed the trump 2020 campaign manager, trump national security adviser mike flynn, trump campaign communications chief jason miller. the disgraced former new york city police commissioner, x comp it, we richard kerry. john eastman who's the lawyer who devised the reason trump cemented supporters to

honestly, i don't get-- everything is about trump. first of all, made trump in the election, he didn't have to, the press didn't have to mccauliffe made it. and youngkin made it about virginia. >> and mccauliffe made it about obama, abrams, and-- he said parents didn't have a say in education and ignored what parents were going through in his state and young kin said i'm going to make it about that. and people don't want to see national figures coming in, they want to see candidates talking about their issues directly to the voter. >> totally separate topic. >> really, really quick. >> and the supreme court is going to look at the mississippi abortion case, if the supreme court does strike down or radically rewrite roe vs wade, which side, which party does that energize more? >> you guys can write about that, you're the press. i mean, i'm not going to get into hypothetical what the supreme court is going to do. >> paul from the washington examiner. >> chairwoman, i want to ask about your relationship with-- on trump youngkin is the va

they have subpoenaed the trump 2020 campaign manager bill stepien, trump campaign communications chief, jason miller, the disgraced former new york city police commissioner, exconvict bernie caric, john eastman who devised the strategy that was the reason trump summoned his supporters to washington on january 6th. he's the one that basically wrote the strategy that said vice president mike pence magically had the power to overturn the election on january 6th. also a trump campaign staffer named angela mccallum, she was according to the committee subpoenaed because she apparently called state lawmakers in at least one state and told them on behalf of the trump campaign that they should appoint trump electors, even though trump had lost in that state, lost in michigan. all six of these trump world officials have been subpoenaed today, and along with the subpoenas, they got letters providing supporting documentation about what their alleged roles were laying the groundwork for the january 6th attack. these six people are being asked to hand over documents and records within the next coupl

during trump's lame duck period, trump went out of his way to stuff the top echelons of the pentagon with trump loyal appointees that had no kind of experience for those jobs. these people were above all, and in some cases, exclusively known as trump loyalists. they had worked for mike flynn who had worked for the fringiest and weirdest people. he spent all that time during the lame duck period stuffing the pentagon with them. what did he think they were going to do there? in jonathan karl's book, he explained that one of the trump appointees, one of the things he was doing in his last days at the pentagon, he was fielding mike flynn's phone calls after the election. he was telling mike flynn that he needed to use his senior seat at pentagon to overturn the election. he said, we need you, flynn told him. he said there was going to be an epic showdown over the election results. he said he needed to get orders signed, that balance localities needed to be seized, and that extraordinary and cohen had enormous respect for flynn. he thought his old boss sounded manic. shortly after flynn c

trump was at it. and normally when you go to these rallies you get more traditional republicans who might roll their eyes at some of the qanon theories or get frustrated when you push them on the things that the people networks to them are literally wearing on their shirts. this last rally everyone had something on their shirt that we had to blur. our editor practically went blind the amount of time he spent blurring swear words or derogatory comments toward kamala harris. so what i started to see was that the majority of these people here were buying into the fun of these rallies but more so the conspiracy side of it all. i think once you buy in to the quote unquote big lie and you don't believe the results of the election then you're looking for what's next. what i started to see was that january 6th didn't happen or happened but it was because of the cia or it happened and it was partially because of the fbi or january 6th isn't even a date on the calendar. like once you cross the threshold of real

you don't need trump. those people are going to crawl over broken glass. trump or no trump. because you already have him, you don't need. you're better off without him. and i wonder how much republican strategist get that message. a lot more than what may think, and certainly a lot more than you may hear in a public square coming on a program like this to talk about it. it is, you know. as we see what's a lot inside my party over the last few years. there are a lot of hush tones, and sidebar conversations, and nodding heads, and rolling eyes, and oh my god. >> right. >> and then they get out in public, and there, like donald trump is the best thing to happen to the republican party and the head of stage and threw up in the trash can. >> so this is the reality that the party now finds itself, and what i think you are going to see in some races are candidates coming out and saying, bunk that, i'm going to stand firm on conservative republican principles, i'm going to run my race. and i'm going to make my case, and take my chances, because to your more important point, what a l

trump politically. trump actually is a guy that lost to hillary clinton by 3 million votes in 2016, only won of the day because of anthony weiner's laptop and comey and a number of other things and the comey letter coming out of that laptop. they got a guy who obviously they loathe in office but you look at race like this and when trump removes from the equation, youngkin has removed trump from the equation and suddenly, people look at republicans and democrats and go, man, you know i am comfortable voting for this republican guy. they can say he's trump but he's not trump. >> yeah, that's what we are seeing some of the polling and you hear it ntidotally. as you say he distance himself a little bit and republicans perhaps not buying that argument and independence may not be buying it either. what are they voting on. youngkin has made education down the stretch and the focus of this race, parents obviously and many of them frustrated of the way schools been handled the last year. is education going to be

it's as a result of donald trump. democrats and republicans have had debates about voting rights and especially the id piece of it for years. but it was a very different debate than what we are having right now and that's because donald trump was a president who started challenging the boat -- the vote even before any votes were cast in the 2020 election and calling it fraud . and now, you know, 50% of the united states agrees with him that there is incessant voter fraud despite no evidence and republican-led investigations coming up with nothing despite spending millions of dollars trying to find that one fraudulent vote. we have to take a reset which i think it's only possible if donald trump does not run about how we restore the integrity of the elections. let me rephrase that. not the integrity of the elections, the trust in the integrity of the elections, but that cannot happen as long as donald trump is hanging around. >> we are going to move to some questions from the audience. so i was going to bother kiki mcl

trump issuing a statement saying trump's agreeing with me. this is all hours before the insurrection. this is building a mechanism for this attack and at the capitol. this is showing it was not just trump rowdying the crowd up. this is as what you guys put it a war room, a calculated set of meetings. >> yes, and phone calls and agitations and there is no agitation than steve bannon. there is a case just in what we know is 18 u.s. code section 371. i am sorry this sounds technical but it is a law that says it's a crime to defraud the government in any deceptive way. that's what they did here. >> that's what we are trying to understand, what's next for the attorney general. a lot of unanswered questions about what else don't we know about trump's activities talking to bannon and rudy giuliani. where does this line cross? at that willard hotel, you had proud boys and oath keepers gathered. i saw them on the street that night. >> bob woodward, i talked about it once or twice before. in 2015 when we were talking to trump and i remember going to --

and in north carolina, a one-point trump state. democrats re-elected the governor in 2020 and republicans re-elected a senator and had plurality with legislative districts in 2020. that's an open seat. that's obviously going to be seriously contested, candidate quality can make a difference there as a defect of a democratic candidate resulted in losing the race. pennsylvania, a one point biden state where republicans just won four partisan, judge races held statewide, that's a possibility and also a seat pat toomey is not running for re-election. you have the possibility of strong candidates for both parties there and obviously up for grabs. and finally the last republican seat in single digit seat in west virginia. that was plus zero points for biden, won by a narrow margin and in fact won by one point in the last six presidential elections. we don't know whether senator ron johnson, an upset winner in 2000 and -- 2016 and 2010 will look increasingly likely. but those are all going to be close races. if the current climate continu

this was trump's vaccine. it wasn't biden's vaccine. it was trump's vaccine. and the notion that it has become politicized -- i mean, honestly, if donald trump thinks he's running for president again, i have got news for him. if he thinks the way to win is by not coming out and saying i took the vaccine because i don't want to die, you should take the vaccine so you don't kill someone else -- i have a hard time believing he's ever going to get back those suburban women that he lost to joe biden. >> michael shearer, have anyone in the administration making any of the arguments that claire mccaskill just did so effectively? >> look, they are trying to be careful about it. but i think they largely agree. i mean, i -- the doubling and tripling down on vaccines as the -- the tool, the primary tool, that's going to get us out of the mess. and i think they -- privately, if not publicly -- are scratching their heads, too, why the republicans would take the approach that they are taking given, as you laid out the way in which the vaccine helps everybody. it isn't -- it

and also the connection of trump supporters and anyone in sort of the larger trump circle with what happened on that day. and what led up to it. and there had already been, not just hand-wringing, but angst and acrimony internally about the role that some fox opinion personalities played in fueling that led to, not just the so-called stop the steal rally on that day, but were followed. but in terms of carlson's claiming that there was perhaps false flag elements that there were protesters there that are anti trump fueling this cleary pro trump movement. despite what arrested pro trump supporters said about thei involment that day, you know, really was shocking talking to people. they said these are people we do not give credence to on fox news programs and they also said that these are things that our own reportings have already disapproved. but i will say that, part of it too is that there is a broader thing happening here, which is that that show is really vile. and that the vile in the way that is distinctive qualitatively from other things on the network. and other things that they have

an acolyte of donald trump. >> we don't want trump. we don't want youngkin. >> he won't allow donald trump to campaign for him in this state. >> would you rally with donald trump? >> he's not coming. >> what's he trying to hide? is he embarrassed? >> alex. >> yeah. it's a really awkward position that glenn youngkin is in, given the fact he wants to pull trump supporters into his voting public, but he doesn't actually want donald trump to come to the commonwealth of virginia. look, i mean, ari, the fact of the matter is terry mcauliffe has played the trump card repeatedly on the campaign trail. we have all seen him do it. the question is whether virginia voters believe him. we know glenn youngkin's message on education is resonating. it's something that has brought large crowds to his speeches and campaign events. if you look at the exit polls, education is the number two issue. that is not usually what's happening. and youngkin has found a device that i think you will surely see in use in 2022, which is using schools as a locust for a

that's where trump is coming. alex jones believed apparently what he was told by the white house, that donald trump was going to come up to the capitol to join that part of his then movable rally. >> well, yes. i mean, we want to learn a lot more about that. also, each one of the individuals who received a subpoena today apparently had a role in raising money for the rally on the 6th, and in some cases, so-called stop the steal rallies earlier in december. and so we want to follow the money, find out how this whole riot was planned and paid for and the like. and we think mr. stone and mr. jones have information that we need. >> did the committee make any attempt to get testimony from roger stone or alex jones without subpoenas? >> i think they made it pretty clear that they're not going willingly come in. and we, as you have noticed i'm sure, are moving quickly. we have don't want to engage in lengthy unproductive negotiations. when someone indicates a willingness to work out issues, we'll do that. but we're not g