pence, even concerns from mike pence's security detail that their lives could be in danger. both democrats and republicans on the committee say going forward they are going to assemble the evidence and look at what holes there are to try to plug in the month ahead and what adam kinzinger, who helped to lead the questioning suggested to me last night was that donald trump has criminal exposure going forward and today, this morning, he also indicated they laid out a case for d.o.j. to pursue going forward. >> we have proven not basically just in the hearing but we have proven different components of a criminal case against donald trump or people around him in every hearing and taken in totality it represents the greatest effort to overturn the will of the people, to conspire against the will of the people and to conspire against american democracy we have ever had frankly since the civil war. yeah. i think we have proven that. it is up to justice now to make a decision.>>> committee members told me they have not made a decision about what the september hearings would look like

on the other side, you have mike pence taking a decidingly different tact. what are you hearing about that war between republicans and team pence and team trump that was something that we just -- i just spoke to ali about and it seems that as the midterms gear up and as 2024 comes more into focus, this is going to be more of a battle. >> well, elise, it is a great point. when i talk to republicans, what i get -- what i get from them it is not a war, it is more of a skirmish. mike pence is an anomaly in the republican party is that he's someone willing to stand up in front of a crowd and say that the 2020 election was not stolen and that january 6 was one of the darkest days in our american history. mike pence has broken away from former president trump and he's really had to pay a cost for that. i was talking to a producer of mine and she was telling me that in western pennsylvania, she's seen signs of the old trump pence 2020 signs where people are cutting out the name of pence. that tells you what the republican base is feeling like on pence. if they're cu

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if anything, mike pence knows the exact truth. he knows they are telling the truth. because he lived it. >> to that point, you see, they'll, a lot of people, an awful lot of people coming out of the woodwork to testify before the january six committee. you have mnuchin and others. is this damn breaking. ? so that list cheney was talking about? finally folks will pour into the conversation, or how do you think this will come out? >> i hope so. i always say, safety in numbers. it is all the strongest when you are standing up to the bully together. i have been hoping for this for a while now. look, i think that that is in the past. i think the committee has done an incredible job of showing the facts, and displaying the evidence. we are hearing from people, firsthand, that live this. they were very loyal eastern of the trump administration. they are republicans. some of them are maga. you cannot dispute the facts. i think the more the people come forward, and you think, there are others out there whose voices are being heard, i think it is a powerful thing. look, i thin

>> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> it is a shameful, embarrassing day for the country. the former president was the only one who could've stopped them, and it took 187 minutes to finally tell them to go home. >> go home. we love you, you're very special, you've seen what happens, you see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. i know how you feel. but go home, and go home in peace. >> oh. we love you. you're very special. i know how you feel. i mean, imagine saying that to traitors. rioters, insurrectionists. that's when he said to that mob trying to overturn our free and fair election. shameful. trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power on a day when our democracy itself was in peril. and what was he doing for those 187 minutes? we know he tried to force his security team to take him to the capital. >> the president said something to the effect of, i'm the effing president, take me up to the capitol now. >> we know his staff, his allies, his own family were begging him to stop t

heat mentions mike pence. -- he mentions mike pence. mike pence told me that there was nothing he could do about the electoral vote. it was etched in stone. why are the democrats and republicans in name only working so hard to make sure that there is nothing that avp can do. he cannot send this back to the states, which is all that i suggested that he do for possible re-tabulation and correction. this may have proven to be a election changing event. what a difference this would have made if the state legislatures had another chance to look at the fraud, the abuse it, and irregularities that have been found. our country would be a different place. back to your calls. the, cedar park texas, -- lowell , cedar park, texas. >> while this is not a trial, is set up to look and sound like a trial. you can't have a one-sided trial, every side of this will be anti-trump. i'm not surprised. i'm not necessarily a fan of donald trump, he made a lot of mistakes that shouldn't have been made. i told my wife about -- after the event and his speech, he

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this is the case that mike pence is making for president of the united states. i'm going to give you everything you wanted about the trump presidency without the absolute horrific judgment that he had in and around january 6th. that's his message. >> i'm not sure liz cheney wants to leave it to make pence, but it is very interesting. >> maybe leave it to liz cheney, potentially. >> maybe so. >> i think we'll agree now, the policy without the violence should be the future of the united states. i think they have been successful on that. >> juliette, elliot, scott, david, we got more than our money's worth. you have to come back. thank you, all, really, i mean it. so, ahead, we're going to speak with january 6 committee member jamie raskin about some of the new revelations, and also, i think, importantly at this point, what's next going forward. >> what's happening in september. >>> we're going to get an update on president biden who tested positive for covid-19 about 24 hours ago, how he's doing and the treatment that he is now receiving. >>> also, quite a scare o

>> i've been hearing that mike pence betrayed us. that's the word. mike pence has hurt us. >> i mean, seems like the rioters were really hanging on trump's every word. you heard the same statement from sarah matthews who testified relating back to what she saw on the campaign trail and different rallies when he was president of the united states. is that also what you saw is the footage of the magnetism and the draw of trump to the supporters? >> absolutely. it was like a religious convention in someways. these people were so hell bent on this idea that they could intervene in this ceremonial process and they would do whatever he said because they really genuinely believed in this insanity that he had in fact won and that the only way of being able to prove he had won was that they had to intervene in this process or at least hope that mike pence were to come through as he says and stop this ceremonial count of the electoral college votes. i mean, it was absolutely incredible. i mean, the fervor and the passion you see in these people's conviction. b

not mike pence. mike pence is trying to lay the groundwork for possibly 2024. but mike pence, right now, is the quote/unquote the sane alternative to donald trump. i don't know if that's going to play, you know, come november when donald trump continues to suck the oxygen out of the room and he's continuing to define this election about the previous election. elections are about the future. >> catherine, we had an interesting poll, "the new york times"/siena poll, about the potential republican 2024 primary. take a look at this, you've got trump far and away the lead candidate. but less than 50%. barely less than 50%, but still far and away the leading candidate or the republican nomination. >> yeah, just shy of 50% which should give some of his opponents pause. but i think to chris' point, a lot of people right now are preparing for two years out, 2024. it's not clear how voters are going to shake out yet, but is there some sort of fatigue or frustration with trump starting to seep in, right, are there some people, more moderate trump supporters, republican-le

he just got off to phone with mike pence who again told him i am not going along with it. it is really a remarkable set of circumstances and complicated legally because something like this has never been charged about former president. >> the fact that there is no hoopla about it. we didn't get any executive privilege and all that. and they did. they just went in and did their job and they spoke to the grand jury and left. susan i just want to play more, this is what we heard from president biden slamming trump today for failing to respond on january 6th. >> and for three hours, the defeated president the former united states what should all happen. as he sat in the comfort of the private dining room next to the oval office. while he was doing that, brave law enforcement officers subject to the immediate help for three hours. face to face with crazed mob, that believe the lies the defeated president. the police were heroes that. they donald trump lack the courage to act. >> you can hear the scratcher voice there, obviously recovering from covid. that's the first and i noti

and in the face of that pressure, mike pence was acting. the vice president was acting, and he should be commended for that. but i think that's the key, those types of facts that came out last night are very troubling for the former president, especially as the justice department is looking at it, and don't forget, fulton county, georgia. >> don't forget the state, grand jury, ongoing right now, and to your point about doj, at this point, after this hearing concluded and, by the way, we know there will be more in september, what do you think the chances are, jim, that president trump emerges from all of these hearings when they're done and from a doj probe and from the state criminal probe in georgia without facing charges? what are the chances? >> look, i think it is very likely he's charged and likely charged in both aspects, both federally and at the state level. there is a bigger question at the federal level and attorney general garland has some big decisions to make. but there is a lot of work to be done at the justice department. rem

pence, and that clearly riled up that crowd in support of donald trump, and against mike pence in a way that put the lives of the vice president and anyone in the capital in danger. i think the committee did a very good job laying fairly clearly out that day, point by point, and showing exactly trump's role in all of. it >> rick, late yesterday, a jury found steve bannon guilty of two counts of contempt of congress for refusing to speak to the january six committee. bannon faces a mandatory minimum prison sentence of 30 days, up to one year behind bars, plus a fine of up to $100,000. do you think that's an appropriate possible punishment, and will the case compel other trump associates to cooperate? >> well i think, from my personal opinion i like to see trump in isolated segregation so in a super max, but that's just me. i think he's one of the most dangerous people, and one of the central elements on these ongoing conspiracies to overturn the 2020 election. i think once this committee is being able to bring this penalty against bannon it's helpful -- i think bannon will laugh it o

mike pence said he was proud of the trump pence record. those that believe we should look backwards. the press seemed to like his speech. >> the press seem to like us speech because they are pinning it against donald trump. unreal how much we return to donald trump. it is the reality show. the third installment of the sequel that the press is so hungry that they crave that will drive ratings once again. a dueling mike pence donald trump showdown or as you mentioned continuous negative coverage of donald trump to drive that third installment of the sequel. the american people, i think, we will watch, we will always watch the reality show. what really matters is the economy, inflation, crime, immigration, no one has not only address those issues, but whose policies better address those issues over the past now six years then donald trump. >> it seems like you are saying the media is addicted to trump. yes. laura, while the media may regard mike pence is a hero of january 6, the journal of consensus is how can he be donald trump who paid him

if mike pence runs, i'm voting for mike pence. >> reporter: so why is that? >> i just think that, you know, everyone has seen the january 6 committee. he stood up for democracy that day. you know, he is like i'm not leaving the capitol because i need to be here. and he was the one that was making phone calls to the military and trying to fix the situation while trump was crying in the dining room. >> reporter: even among will crowd, there is sympathy for trump's election lies and support for a 2024 run. you're about to see pence speak here. trump is not a big fan of him right now. >> i understand that. i hear that he could have not certified those results pending all the claims of the fraud. and i wish he would have done that. >> reporter: pence had no legal basis to do that. also among those here, rusty bowers a life long republican and speaker of the arizona statehouse. you're talking to a lot of people here today who said that they are not even -- they are not watching the january 6 hearings, they still believe the lies about the 2020 election. what would

does he call mike pence? no, he's calling rudy giuliani, his lawyer helping him try to steal the election. and he's calling senators saying, well, if this resumes, you're going to help me slow install the election. what a glimpse into donald trump. >> i can't help but think about just from the american electorate the last time we saw a consequential moment of a situation room, osama bin laden being executed. the president is saying do not show what's happening here. are you gleeful? are you rejoicing? go back to december 18th, that consequential meeting. this was the plan. january 6th was the culmination of a plan and an effort. it sounds very clear from their testimony, to try to use a last ditch effort to ignore the fact that the judges told you no, that there was no evidence, there's no there there, and now why would i have stopped what i have in motion. iners i can't is the thing that stays in motion. he doesn't want it to stop. that's criminal. >> what do you mean that's criminal? legally criminal? >> i

pence is going after trump there. >> yeah, and i agree with mike pence. look, i'm actually glad that mike pence is out there campaigning in arizona. that's a critical state where there's a bunch of election deniers and conspiracy theorists. we've seen this happening across the country. donald trump standing by lake who should not be anywhere near elected office. pence is trying to bring somewhat normal conservatives back into the fold. and i think more should be doing that. but so far i'm not really seeing that across the republican party right now. >> and, david, another republican name that's been thrown into the conversation is congresswoman liz cheney. and here is what she said about that earlier today. >> make a decision about 2024 down the road, but i do think as we look to the next presidential election, as i said, i believe that our nation stands on the edge of an abyss and i do believe that we all have to really think very seriously about the dangers we face and the threats we face, and we have to elect serious candidates, and we have to elect pe

he said only "mike pence let me down." amy: adam kinzinger. this is democrat committee member elaine luria. >> the staff who remained at the white house on the morning of january 7 do the president needed to address the nation again, and they had a speech prepared for him that morning but he refused for hours to give it. as you heard cassidy hutchinson testify previously, president trump finally agreed to record an address to the nation later that evening. the evening of january 7. because of concerns he might be removed from power under the 25th amendment or by impeachment . we know these threats were real. sean headed he said so himself in a text message that day to press secretary kayleigh mcenany. he wrote, "no more stolen election talk. yes, impeachment and 20 for them, are real." we obtained the never before seen raw footage of the recording that day on january 7 more than 24 hours after the last time he had addressed the nation from the rose garden. let's take a look. >> whenever you're ready, sir. pres. trump: i would like to begin by

pence ] >> mike pence, traitor. >> mike pence screwed us, in case you haven't heard yet. that's the word. mike pence has screwed us. >> this all comes as we're learning on january 7th, the day after the mob of extremists was calling for pence's head, trump didn't want to condemn the violence. not only did he wait hours in the face of pleas from everyone around him to condemn it, but the january 6th committee is now sharing this new image. this is a draft of the speech that trump would eventually give on january 7th. you can see trump crossing out a number of lines in his trademark black sharpie, including the third graph where he refused to call for his supporters who stormed the capitol to be prosecuted. the line that he crossed out was, i am directing the department of justice to insure all law breakers are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. we must send a clear message. not with mercy but with justice. legal consequences must be swift and firm. he crossed it out. and in case there's anyone questioning who actually make these damning edits with the black sharp

the chanting to hang his own vice president. >> hang mike pence. hang mike pence. hang mike pence. hang mike pence. hang mike pence. [noise] >> it is a shameful and embarrassing day for the country. you know, the former president was only one who could stop them. it took 187 minutes for him to finally tell them to go home. >> go home. we love you. you are very special. you have seen what happens. you see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. i know how you feel. but go home and go home in peace. cÔte d'ivoire >>, we love you. you are very special. i know how you feel. imagine. imagine saying that to traders. riders. insurrectionist. that is what he said to that mob trying to overturn our freedom for the election. shameful. trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power. on a day when our democracy, itself, was in peril. and what was he doing for those 187 minutes? we know he tried to force his security team to take him to the capital. >> the president said seventh effect of, i am the effing president take me up to the capital now. >> we know his staff, his allies,

that leaves mike pence without much of a constituency. what's interesting is for even the voters who wouldn't go so far as to call him a traitor or a rino, they actually have another word that they use, which is boring. and i think that speaks to something that has really changed among the gop electorate, which is that they do crave a more combative style of politics these days, something that mike pence doesn't bring much to the table on. >> thus the nod to desantis. we've heard suggestions that president trump's sort of grip on the republican party is loosening, but have you seen any real evidence of that? >> i've got to tell you i have been really skeptical of this narrative the donald trump's grip on the gop was slipping because in large part i had just sat through focus group after focus group in which at least half or more of the respondents would say they very much want to see him run in 2024 and be the nominee again. however, since the january 6th committee started, i have seen a real shift. we did nine focus groups of trump voter

you didn't endorse mike pence, just to be clear? >> i have to tell you i find mike pence saying that we have to look forward and not look back, in other words, move on from january 6 so offensive after we heard his secret service calling their families to say good-bye on january 6. if nothing else, if nothing else, he owes that detail that risked their lives to save him much more respect. >> there's no trump-pence slit in the party. pence has no constituency among republican voters. >> i think his family will still vote for him. >> pence has a big appearance in d.c. today, trump has one tomorrow, and then this comes on the heels of appearances they made recently in arizona where they have endorsed different gubernatorial candidates and there is a bit of a proxy war that's playing out. but you say -- you say no there isn't apparently this is a one-sided war. >> pence may not be chummy with trump anymore but there is no split in the party. mike pence has no constituency among republican voters. none. >> i just think clearly he's hopin

pence to attempt a coup. >> if mike pence does the right thing, we win the election. i hope mike has the courage to do what he has to do. >> and trump kept pushing pence on this as late as january 4th and those other unlawful plots were reemerging as a kind of pretext, even though as you have seen, they did not all work. indeed, senate republicans were trying to get that fraudulent elected material to pence on that very day with pence's aide pushing back. don't give him that, that is the electoral fraud stuff. this is, as you see on your screen, within roughly 20 minutes of mike pence's arriving. and, over 130 republicans did vote to object to the certification, including eight republican senators. these plots are not disparate, they all congeal. you have trouble sending what he knew were armed people to the capitol at a point he knew he needed something more that all of those other seven plots he tried. >> i overheard the president say something to the effect of, i think they have weapons. they are not here to hurt me, take the effing bags away, let my people in. >>

essentially saying that mike pence did not do what the president wanted him to do. that key tweet, the committee then showing things only got worse. and very quickly and that mike pence had to be evacuated a second time because of the situation, the temperature of what was playing out of the capitol only getting worse. a lot to digest. certainly troubling and alarming to hear from people inside the west wing. essentially filling out those logs that have been blank for so long and giving us a clear portrait of what was playing out in the west wing and what the former president was not doing on that day. i want to bring in our chief washington correspondent jonathan karl who has reported extensively on january 6th. jon, a lot of the details we expected to hear tonight. but to hear it as something different and to hear that audio of the secret service detail trying to protect the former vice president saying that they were beginning to call loved ones, that they could hear that over the radio, how alarming that must have been for people back at the white house whose jo

if mike pence had been subpoenaed before, we knew all of this evidence, and he had said, no, i don't think it would have made much of -- anyway wouldn't be that surprised. now, if he doesn't want to come in and describes conversations that he had with the secretary of defense, that he had with other cabinet officials, that his own lawyer and chief of staff did not listen to, there is information that mike pence has that no one else has. and there's a lot more pressure on him now, because of these compelling hearings. so, i do think the strategy of waiting until the hearing, so that the american people understand all of the evidence, and then, asking trump and pence to come testify, has a lot of strategic merit to it. >> okay, then i have to ask. i know we are out of time. but when daniel is talking strategy, joyce, it's got me wondering. is this the exact strategy that department of justice always wanted, right? an overwhelming amount of evidence comes out. it's the january six committee, over the course of seven, eight hearings, laying it out for the american people with mostly, tru

mike pence has earned it the hard way. campaigned as congressmen, governor, vice president. >> specifically in arizona it is interesting to watch mike henson former president donald trump. arizona is not a reliably republican state when it comes to elections. they are part of the vote that you have to get with republicans. two democratic senators now. the way to the white house is through arizona. mike pence did endorse governor brian camp in georgia. he has one up when it comes to gubernatorial endorsements. in terms of things that they are talking about, mike pence wants to move forward. he has not been so critical of donald trump and he is been very optimistic and praiseworthy of their administration and their efforts, the accomplishment that they have made an president trump has had a different perspective and said other things about his vice president, obviously. we have seen that play out in the january 6 hearing, obviously. >> the backdrop of the january 6 hearings. you heard the congresswoman reference the op-ed. t

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trump's tweet that vice president mike pence did not have the courage to overturn the election results. >> looked like fuel being poured on the fire. >> it was essentially him giving the green light to these people. >> reporter: a white house security official said agents assigned to mike pence were starting to fear for their lives. >> they were called to see good-bye to family members, so on and so forth. for whatever the reason was on the ground, the vp detail thought this was about to get very ugly. >> reporter: the committee played previously unseen outtakes from a video that the former president recorded the following day. >> congress has certified the results. i don't want to say the election's over. i just want to say congress has certified the results, without saying the election's officer, okay? >> reporter: following the hearing, committee member jamie raskin said the justice department, not congress, will ultimately decide if criminal charges should be filed against mr. trump. not on twitter, the former president took to truth social to air his grievances with the committee

trump and his vice president mike pence staking out territory. phil keating is in tampa, florida tonight. [cheers] former vice president in arizona today establishing he is his own man now and challenging his former boss. he is stumping for his gubernatorial candidate of choice karrin taylor robson a wealthy real estate attorney and developer. >> we will win back about the house and senate and send karrin taylor robson to the state house. >> pence, a possible 2024 presidential contender and robson then campaigned near the border in do youson. former president trump's backing her opponent in the primary former tv newscaster terry lake. is he also in arizona today in a dueling event. this isn't the first time since they left office that pence has gone his own political way. in may, he campaigned in georgia for republican governor brian kemp. trump endorsed his opponent. kemp won by 73%, a bruise for the trump brand. tonight in tampa yet another 2024 possibility headlines at the turning point u.s.a. student action summit. florida governor ron desant

and i think that's ultimately the lane mike pence is in. i did everything i could for this guy, but i don't want to risk losing again the way he lost before. that's a reasonable position to take, but it doesn't require you to essentially turn in your republican card to do it. >> ron, what do you make of that? >> well, look, to say -- to say that you are turning in your republican card or running as a democrat, if you say that the evidence of the january 6th committee means that liz cheney was right when she said that donald trump has shown that he should never be afforded the power of the presidency again, if that is your definition of becoming a democrat is acknowledging, you know, kind of what is plain on your face from the evidence the committee has put together, that in a nutshell is why trump maintains so much power in the party. one of the reasons is that no other -- hardly any other elected officials will call out what he did as wrong, and that has allowed him to maintain the support of three-quarters of republicans. the elected offi

congressman, when you hear this thing from mike pence, does it discourage you, make you more frustrated thinking that many, many, many of the republicans are still going to be in the thrall of the former president and this insurrection despite the immediate threats and danger that it put their lives in? >> we need the courage that adam kinzinger, liz cheney, mitt romney and so many others have shown, but they are on an island right now, and i recently asked a homeland security official when america's leaders denounce violent rhetoric or if they fail to denounce, it does that have an effect onnence extremist grurns and the official, the experts said yes. when you denounce, it it quashes it. when you fail to denounce it they feel like they have a permissive lane. right now slept white nationalist extremist groups feel like they have a green light from donald trump and most of the maga republican party. by the way, this party of law and order. i'm the son of a police officer. my brother is a police officer. i worked as a prosecutor. i know law and order. they are not pro-cop. they are pro-

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what you saw in that clip is mike pence being mike pence. and we expect to see more of the next 18 months. i’m pence. and we expect to see more of the next 18 months.— the next 18 months. i'm not sure whose electorate _ the next 18 months. i'm not sure whose electorate it is _ the next 18 months. i'm not sure whose electorate it is because i whose electorate it is because obviously democrats are not in a vote for him and there's a large number of republicans that wanted to hang him. he doesn't have a big bass like donald trump has. let's talk about the legal jeopardy for donald trump because mark shortt who was mike pence's chief of staff the news today that is given evidence a grand jury. it seems to me that the feds are taking a much closer look now, notjust a are taking a much closer look now, not just a january six but at the plan that was caught up in the oval office on the ath of january when they discussed this alternative slate of electors the fact that mark shorts testified under subpoena is a huge news, potentially under our sy

it will be interesting to see what mike pence has to say . he might be willing to do something. he might be willing to say something. i think it is in his interest, the country's interest to hear the full story as well. >> maggie, donald trump -- this is very interesting, be on the verge of announcing a 2024 presidential campaign. he told new york magazine he has already made up his mind and it is a matter of when, not if. how much is that weighing on the potential decision? >> that was a great piece. i do think that the potential legal challenges that he faces, all of that factors into why he is keeping this alive. i will say, wolf, that he is benefiting from the speculation around him . it is less likely that he has to jump in. one of the thing donald trump likes above all else, in addition to raising money as a potential candidate, he likes the attention. he is getting a lot of that right now. i'm not sure he actually needs to declare getting that he is getting all this attention still. >> a good point, too. let's talk about the timing of all of this. he says he might announc

mike pence has hurt us. >> stephen: that's historic, no one ever admitted mike pence screwed them. ( laughter ) there's circumstantial evidence but that's about it. hearsay. ( applause ) then the committee talked about missouri senator josh hawley, the man who famously raised a fist in solidarity with the mob before entering congress that turns out, once the mob broke into the building, he wasn't quite so enthusiastic to stand with them! >> later that day, senator hawley fled after those protestors he helped to rile up stormed the capitol. see for yourself. ( laughter ) ( applause ) >> stephen: yeah! pew! look at him go! jim, can we play that with the audio turned up? ( cartoon scrambling run sound ) ( applause ) one witness described a stunning phone call between kevin mccarthy and the former president. >> i asked kevin mccarthy, who's a republican leader about this, and he said he called donald -- he finally got through to donald trump and he said, you have got to get on tv, you have got to get on twitter, you have got to call these people off. the president said to him, as this wa

mike pence has laid down that marker. but these other candidates are going to have to do the same thing. this whole process that's going on right now gives them the ammunition to do. that i'm not surprised a lot of republicans aren't watching this. you can't put adam schiff and jamie raskin on a tv show and expect them to watch it. >> push back on that. >> more than that. look, i could walk down to montana. no one's going to talk to me about these hearings. they're going to talk to me about gas prices, about things that impact their daily lives. we know if there was a seven-part hearing on gas prices, not only would a lot more people watch it, but every cable television network would actually cover the thing. >> i think -- might contradict you. >> so, there's a piece to you that, though, that it doesn't impact people's everyday lives outside this place we gather called washington, d.c. i hope, to scott's point, that's ultimately, even if voters aren't following this on a daily basis, i hope it's kind of that awakening to

it is insane. >> mike pence will not stick up for donald trump! mike pence, trader! trader! >> mike pence has screwed us. in case you haven't heard it yet. >> what happened? what's happened? >> i keep hearing that mike pence grew. does that's the word. i keep hearing reports on mike pence has screwed us. >> did people appear angry as you were walking to the capitol? >> yeah, a lot of people, a lot of people seem like they were very upset. >> tell us some of the things that we're saying if you recall. >> oh, there were saying all types -- people were screaming all types of stuff. they're mad that vice president pence was going to accept the electorals. i mean, it was -- if you could think it out you are hearing it. >> i believe that the president -- vice president pence was going to certify the electoral votes -- or not certify them. i guess that has just changed, correct? and it's a big disappointment. i think there's several hundred thousand people here that are very disappointed. >> president trump did not try to calm his thousands of disappointed supporters. instead, it a

hang mike pence. we did not know till the three kelp help-able the danger was for mike pence and his team. six on thursday, the january six select committee learned through exhibits and recorded testimony that the danger was so real, and so close, that the president and his security detail, and vice president security details were radio-ing and for their families, with goodbye messages in case they did not make it home that night. >> as rioters entered the building, the secret service held vice president pence in his office right off the senate chamber for 13 minutes, as they worked to clear a safe path to a secure location. now, listen to some of that radio traffic. see what they were seeing as the protesters got just feet away from where the vice president was holding. >> hold. >> we need to move now. >> if we lose anymore time he may lose the ability to leave. if we are going to leave we need to do it now. >> we have gained access to the second floor. i have people about five feet from me down belo

and i think that's ultimately the lane mike pence is in. i did everything i could for this guy, but i don't want to risk losing again the way he lost before. that's a reasonable position to take, but it doesn't require you to essentially turn in your republican card to do it. >> ron, what do you make of that? >> well, look, to say -- to say that you are turning in your republican card or running as a democrat, if you say that the evidence of the january 6th committee means that liz cheney was right when she said that donald trump has shown that he should never be afforded the power of the presidency again, if that is your definition of becoming a democrat is acknowledging, you know, kind of what is playin on your face fro the evidence the committee has put together, that in a nutshell is why trump maintains so much power in the party. one of the reasons is that no other -- hardly any other elected officials will call out what he did as wrong, and that has allowed him to maintain the support of three-quarters of republicans. the elected offi

. >>> donald trump and mike pence face off in arizona, dueling rallies in the battle for the republican party. >>> california governor newsom takes a page from the texas abortion bounty playbook in texas you can get paid for suing those who aid abortions. >> the supreme court said this was okay it was a terrible decision. >> now in california you get paid for suing gun makers and sellers. the details and the political battle >>> president biden's condition as he battles covid. >>> the attack on a republican candidate for new york governor. >>> and inside the global air travel luggage nightmare >>> live from cnbc, the facts, the truth, the news with shepard smith. >> again it took less than three hours for a jury to reach a verdict and convict steve bannon of contempt of congress this is the first conviction related to the january 6th committee's investigation. the jury found steve bannon guilty on both counts of contempt for refusing to testify and turn over evidence to the committee. bannon had vowed to make his criminal case a misdemeanor from hell as he put it for federal prosecutors

trump, mike pence says no, donald trump says put it back in the speech. not only gives those lines but ad-libs a few other lines. it's the granular detail where the committee, it's like you're in a courtroom with the prosecution. >> absolutely. erin burnett, let me throw to you. really quite a shocking day of testimony, disturbing, upsetting, a lot to chew on. >> so much, and you know, with the tweets, with the text messages, you know, we saw it laid out so clearly. laura coates, let me start with you. when we look legally here, what they're trying to establish, right, with each of these points of focus, and today the lead-up to january 6th, is what did trump know, when did he know it, what did he direct? today they made significant progress. >> they did except for what did he direct? i think they fell short in trying to establish clearly that donald trump gave a coherent order that then was followed. the instructions. not through intimation. you're talking about a court of law. its are more than just the idea of a suggestion and innuendo. it has to be a

it was clear that was escalating and escalating quickly. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! >> the situation was already bad so it felt like he was pouring gasoline on the fire by tweeting that. >> meanwhile, matthew pottinger said the former president's tweet at 2:24 p.m. on january 6th attacking vice president mike pence was the turning point for him. >> the tweet said something to the effect that mike pence, the vice president, didn't have the courage to do what should have been done. i read that tweet and made a decision at that moment to resign. that's where i knew that i was leaving that day. >> joining me now is a senior politics reporter for "rolling stone" and charles coleman jr., a civil rights attorney and jaupta toliver, a political strategist and msnbc analyst. thanks for all being here. i want to start with the secret service situation because it's fishy here. one of my great producers pulled this piece and she's reporting about the secret service history of using critical records. here's what she wrote. the secret service has had a history of important records

and mike pence presided. but 2:24 on january 6th, as you know, trump tweeted mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our constitution. >> yeah. i was very -- i was very dispd disappoint bid that. i have never, not in my lifetime, i have never seen a vice president more loyal and more supportive of the president with whom he served. >> so who is worried about the constitution in that moment? was that mike pence? >> mike pence. >> so donald trump was wrong about the constitution. >> yes. yes. and i think he got some very bad advice about the constitution that day. >> does that disqualify him from being president dagain? >> what i learned what qualifies someone to be president is the voters. >> how about for you? >> i would love to hear some time his side of it, his explanation for this. >> has that happened yet? >> not yet. >> i hope he gives it to you. i hope he gives it to the american people. >> in >> indeed. >> senator mike lee, thank you for coming to

and we've heard how forcefully pence's office was pushing back on this idea that mike pence alone could block the election result, pence was not going to do what donald trump wanted and we know that. but the area that pence's staff couldn't share is about the private communications that they didn't witness between the vice president and the president before and on january 6. so that is an area that if the house were to press for it, it would be unclear if they will be able to get answers and if they would go after donald trump separately with a subpoena, that would even be a more complicated situation, executive privilege is always a question in these sorts of pursuits. >> good to see you, thank you for the update. >>> and the secret service is finding itself in the middle of the insurrection investigation once again. the watchdog for the department of homeland security says that the secret service erased text messages from agents' devices in january 5 and january 6. shortly after the inspector general had asked the agency for those records. jessica schneider is live in washington with

i mean, paying mike pence. he said it's common sense, it's common sense. it's common sense that you don't pass on fraudulent ballots. so in other words, of course they were angry, of course they were chanting terrible things because they were really angry. >> amazing. that's something. so here's a question that a lot of people have asked of us as well as other authors who have been exploring the subject. why do you think president trump talk to you he knows he's not going to get any sycophantic book. he knows he's going to, if he understood fair and accurate but he understands also it's to be very tough, and yet he did. he sit and talk with you, he's talked with us. why do you think he wanted to do that? >> well, i think, first of all, trump has a tremendous faith in his own ability to convince people of things, that's one thing. and and i found that during te course of particular 2020 even when he got furious at me and called me terrible names, you know, said i was never going to make it, i'm a disgrace, third grade, all the stuff, he still kept on callin

the mob might actually break mike pence, or break the u.s. congress. not only was he sitting, there but we also know from the record many people were texting to people around him, saying you have to go. >> you think he was actually sitting there and saying what mike pence does, this i will go and -- wait, mike, what are you doing? >> how else would interpret this? there is a mob of people going to the capitol, and they were not going up there just to make their voices heard. there was a desired outcome, the outcome was interruption of what the congress had to do that night. or that day, and while it was unfolding, there was a reasonable chance that they might not have been able to go -- >> he just needed time, that is what -- what trump needed, and what he did not get was enough time to make enough confusion so that people go to bed on the night of january 6th without -- >> that is why i'm saying, and he sitting here saying mike pence you are screwing it up. >> remember, he tweeted -- >> in other words for trump, the confusion that he wanted on january