change would follow. >> i think there was a theory if i could just flood the american welfare system with welfare recipients, you could break the bank, so to speak. >> stanny kerts is a senior fellow at the ethics center and has done extensive research on the national welfare organization and on acorn. >> that would stories the federal government to create a guaranteed minimum income. so it really was a strategy to provoke socialism through a kind of crisis of the welfare state system. they used to flood welfare offices with recipients who would protest and demand more welfare payments. >> their record in the entire field of welfare in their entire field of human relations is one of colossal and almost complete failure. >> then governor ronald reagan of california felt that the welfare rights organizers were destroying the very lives they claimed to be helping. >> they have tried this raising of people by mass movements. their whole big government approach has institutionalized poverty, perpetuating its degradation until welfare becomes a way of life under the second and third genera

in health care, and a political system interested in playing finger-pointing as we watch economic powers around the world, whether it's brazil or china or india that may not be anywhere near this country yet, and they are coming. and we are doing everything in our power, it would appear, to try and basically turn ourselves into a bunch of corporate communists that have no choice or competition. this is for karen, and she is used to it from me. >> yeah, i used to do sports in college, and we lost, and it's done. move on, not a big decision. >> my point is it's a bigger conversation. >> i do think the reaction that we saw with, you know, rush limbaugh and the others, i think that speaks to something that tom friedman talked about last week, and we talked about the thug politics of, you know, rush limbaugh is the same guy that said he was rooting for obama to fail. when you are rooting for the president to failure rooting for the country to fail. that's not a good place to be. i agree we have to wake up and know that there are other countries that are moving forward whether we like it or no

one of civilization early economic systems seems to be make ago comeback and maybe the dollar's decline, ezra. >> i hope not. you know somebody will trade for you a blog post, dylan? >> what? >> nothing at all. >> that's a great barter. this next headline. sad and alarming like music. the recession not only affects the living but the dead now. from michigan to alabama some cities are too poor to lay the dead to rest. local budgets for buried unclaimed bodies getting cut and more cash-strached families are leaving their loved ones at the morgue in the hands of the state. recently the state of illinois had to put 12. million back into its budget to handle burials for what was a growing crisis. anne? >> you know, in a time when people are delaying medical care and other luxuries, i guess no surprise it was coming to this. since we're coming up on halloween i guess it's kind of appropriately ghoulish. >> indeed, it is. to end on a high note. there are also unseen heroes in this recession. people sacrificing to take care of each other and ed pierce is among that group. a landlord who planned