in tunisia, in egypt, potentially in syria, depending on the way things go there. if the turkish militar can be brought under control, you can foresee arabs looking across the mediterranean saying that is something that we need t do as well in order to have a more democratic open, freer political system. >> rose:o turkey will belooked s going through the arab spring right now? >> i think that many arabs are looking to turkey to learn some lessons about a transition from authoritarian politi to a more democrat politicalystem. it makes it more interesting for arabs, that a party of islamist patrimony led a reform program in 2003 and 2004 that's made turkey more freer and democratic, if not exactly more liberal, but nevertheless this is something that's spurred the interest of arabs even before the uprisings in the region and now afterwards as they grope for ideas about how to rebuild their own political system and society. >> rose: ross what, about thisay where, it stands with respect to the islamic majority? >> i think that's an issue that turkey is having to grappl

after seeing these scenes in television in tunisia, in egypt and even in oman, are we telling people now do you know what, you stay behind walls and stay ignorant, don't go to school because do you know what, you're not allowed. you cannot tell people anymore this. >> charlie: so you go to italy and you have a television, successful television career as a journalist. and then you come to rome. what happened? >> what happened? i had lunch with the mayor of rome and he's a friend of mine. and as usual i go to ask him -- >> charlie: you were writing the book at that time and there was conversations about making this book into film. >> i already sold the right of the book to an italian company. and i was telling him that i uld like him to give it me so i can show av show inside. and he said you know, we are people coming to ask me every day especially today and he said he met this guy he's an artist he was wearing pa jawa and he turns the light in his office and i said who is that and he said you should go see his show. i went to see the show. he said something very aski, if i was indian

not getting out in front of this, as though the people in tahrir square and cairo or the people in to tunisia, we want to live in a world -- we want to bring freedom there. we have to understand that our rhetoric is a tiny significance in all this. well the president went slightly nuts in my judgment over libya. i mean, how many days has it been since he even mentioned libya. that to me is the most -- >> charlie: he went nuts because he didn't get a war resolution's power because he got involved in the first place. >> he got involved in the first place. no one believes that two governs in tripoli -- >> charli he never ggesd that it was about who governs, he suggest it was about avoiding a massacre. >> on to benghazi. at took about two weeks before they decide actually to prevent a massacre we have to have regime change. >> charlie: that's when he withdrew and said we're going to fall and not lead here. >> this whole thing could not continue. nato could not do this without our assets. so nato is now with our help and our funding and our commanding control and all the rest is conducting the --

after seeing these scenes in television in tunisia, in egypt and even in oman, are we telling people now do you know what, you stay behind walls and stay ignorant, don't go to school because do you know what, you're not allowed. you cannot tell people anymore this. >> charlie: so you go to italy and you have a television, successful television career as a journalist. and then you come to rome. what happened? >> what happened? i had lunch with the mayor of rome and he's a friend of mine. and as usual i go to ask him -- >> charlie: you were writing the book at that time and there was conversations about making this book into film. >> i already sold the right of the book to an italian company. and i was telling him that i uld like him to give it me so i can show av shownside. and he said you know, we are people coming to ask me every day especially today and he said he met this guy he's an artist he was wearing pa jawa and he turns the light in his office and i said who is that and he said you should go see his show. i went to see the show. he said something very aski, if i was indian.