i don't think that syria is one of them. >> arwa, you spent a little time in syria. you're one of the last journalists actually allowed in syria to see what's going on. we know according to human rights groups, what, 3,000 human rights groups have been killed, thousands more have been imprisoned and injured. do the syrian people in syria, do they want the international community through the un security council and nato to get involved? >> well, wolf, there isn't really a unified voice that speaks out of syria. there is a voice pretty much of those who oppose the regime, but there is a division as to what the next step should be. what we have however been hearing even more of is a very angry call for some sort of military intervention, especially from activists inside syria. even the few months ago, people were very strong against saying they were too fearful this was going to lead to more bloodshed to civil war. n now, it seems more people believe they have no choice than to see that take place, but as nick was pointing out, the dynamics, the situation in syria, is d

but in syria, the government of syria is engaging in a very brutal crackdown, even a massacre. turkey, which has been very friendly to syria and to the assad regime, has broken with the regime and now has publicly called for president assad to step down. will you add your voice and call on the assad regime to step down and listen to the will of the people? >> translator: we have a friendly relationship with both turkey and syria. our policy is independent. we think we should respect the independence and sovereignty of all nations, of everywhere in the world, in the united states, in europe. we think all parties must sit and reach an understanding and there should be no intervention from outside or interference neither from nato or us. >> but, mr. president, you make it sound like the two sides are equal. in fact, what is happening in syria is not that there are protesters killing the security forces. the vast majority of deaths are the security forces killing innocent men, women and children. surely this is something you should condemn clearly and not say both sides are to blam

but in syria, the government is engaging in a brutal crackdown, even a massacre. turkey which has been very friendly to syria and to the assad regime has broken with the regime and now has publicly called for president assad to step down. will you add your voice and call on the assad regime to step down and listen to the will of the people? >> we have friendly relations with both turkey and syria. our policy is dependent. we think we should respect the independence and sovereignty of all nations of everywhere in the world, in the united states, in europe. our teams must sit and reach an understanding. there should be no intervention from outside or interfering neither from nato. >> mr. president, you make it sound like the two sides are equal. in fact, what is happening in syria is not that there are protesters are killing security forces, the vast majority of death of the security forces killing innocent men, women and children. surely, this is something you should condemn clearly and not say both sides are to blame. if justice and freedom are the goal, it is imp

as we have in syria, as we ultimately did in egypt. in the case of libya, which was quite unique, we ultimately led an international coalition approved by the united nations to protect civilians, but that was, as you pointed out, not a coalition that's aim was regime change. why did we do that in libya? what made libya particular? in the first instance, we had gadhafi who after 42 years demonstrated on numerous occasions his readiness to slaughter tens of thousands of his own people in one day. we had him on the doorstep of benghazi, threatening to go house to house and kill his people like rats. language which is reminiscent of genocides we've heard in other contexts. we knew he had the ability, and was ready and on the doorstep to do it and had the history of doing it. at the same time we had the arab league, the countries of the region, as well as the people of libya literally begging the international community to intervene. we were able to get clear cut international authorization through the united nations security council for co

there were seens particularly in syria that they were flagging a little bit. it has been a long time and they haven't had as much success as the libyans have had so they needed this boost, this reminder that success was possible if you hold out and if you stick to your principles. whether or not they can mount a kind of mill tear challenge the way the libyans have done is another question. the libyans of course had nato support which neither the people of yemen or the syrians do. but they'll certainly take a certain amount of courage from what's happened in libya. >> why, bobby, have all of these uprid uprising been more successful than the gulf and the middle east? >> they took lessons very early on from what happened in tunisia and clamped down hard. i think if you look at the record and also in syria, just as the rebels were inspired by what happened in north africa, so the dictators were, looked at that as a cautionary tail and they struck early and struck hard against the uprisings. that doesn't mean the dictators have won. just means they brought themsel

as we have in syria, as we ultimately did in egypt. in the case of libya, which was quite unique, we ultimately led an international coalition approved by the united nations to protect civilians, but that was, as you pointed out, not a coalition that's aim was regime change. why did we do that in libya? what made libya particular? in the first instance, we had gadhafi who after 42 years demonstrated on numerous occasions his readiness to slaughter tens of thousands of his own people in one day. we had him on the doorstep of benghazi, threatening to go house to house and kill his people like rats. language which is reminiscent of j genocides we've heard in other contexts. we knew he had the ability, and was ready and on the doorstep to do it and had the history of doing it. at the same time we had the arab league, the countries of the region, as well as the people of libya literally begging the international community to intervene. we were able to get clear cut international authorization through the united nations security council for

pulls its ambassador out of syria. now syria is responding. what is next in this diplomatic scuffle. we go live to turkey where rescuers are digging through the rubble, hoping to find survivors, after an earthquake kills 207 people. >>> lining up for hours in libya just to see gadhafi's body. >>> a lap in the face for washington by the afghan president, what are mid karzai. days after meeting with hillary clinton in kabul, karzai says on pakistani television, that fighting words, i'm quoting him now, we are beside pakistan. and joining us now from islamabad, pakistan. there is a lot of concern in washington about the latest comments from hamid karzai saying if there were ever a war between the u.s. and pakistan, that is very unlikely, afghanistan would side with pakistan against the u.s. give us some context what hamid karzai is talking about. because people are upset about that. >> yeah. first and foremost, wolf, we should point out that it is very unlikely that u.s. and pakistan are going to go to war. these are two countries that obviously

concerns about syria, concerns about iran or any other matters. the fact of the situation, wolf, is that region is looking now at what works. we've seen obviously the failure of gadhafi in libya. we've seen the great hope and change that's coming with tunisa and egypt and we see that nouri al maliki can be a symbol for the rest of the region and president assad is yesterday's news, just barely holding on in damascus. at the end of the day, we know what's today, what's past and what the future is. i think you see a multiethnic iraqi government demonstrating what's possible in the region. >> you understand the concern that a lot of people have when they see what al maliki and his government is doing in iraq right now? refusing to have this new status of forces agreement with the united states, supporting iran in terms of syria and other ibs? you understand the concern given the huge investment america has made in iraq? >> i understand the concern because we live it here. we take the steps necessary to protect this country, to support our troops on t

bob, syria is a satellite puppet state of iran. here we have assad brutalizing his people and what did we do? we recognized assad for the first time with an ambassador. we have not come down and done anything to try to displace assad which has been... he has been more brutal than anybody else. >> schieffer: would you send american troops in to syria then? >> i'm not suggesting we send american troops but what we should be doing is we should be working very vehemently and vigilantly with the people in syria. we should be going after assad in every other way, covertly or otherwise, to show the iranians that we are going to stand up to them. there's all sorts of things we can be doing to show an active role in the region. we're not. iran as a result grows in influence. >> schieffer: let me ask you a little bit about republican politics. you've been out to iowa. to 70 counties out there. you spent a lot of time out there. yet herman cain continues to score very high in the polls. do you think herman cain is for real? and do you think h

. >> richard, what about the inspiration to the dissidents in syria? they are now asking for protection. there really was an immediate reaction after gadhafi was found and killed. this could inspire the revolt against bashir alassad. >> they started on the streets across syria, dissidents started chanting in favor of the rebels in libya. they were using some of the same slogans in syria that the rebels were using in libya. they said bashar, you are next. watch what happened to gadhafi. what's important to note is what has happened over the last few days is that diplomatic problems after the united states pulled out ambassador, robert ford, and the syrians did the same thing, effectively withdrawing their ambassador to washington for consultations. this is an escalation. ambassador ford was such a dynamic figure. he was seen as a hero on the ground to many in the opposition in syria. he went out personally, drove to the protests, drove to the funerals for some of the activists, didn't tell the syrian authorities where he was going, didn't ask their perm

why intervene in uganda and libya but not in syria. what's the foreign policy principal at work there? >> first let me say, chris, that what we have seen from president obama over the last 2 and a half years and injury markbly wi-- i remarkably in the past 6 months his kind of smart led deer ship in a complex world is paying off. he is the one that brought bin laden down. he was the one who put together a coalition that eventually removed qaddafi. i think it's important in this very complex, dangerous world we have somebody in the white house who understands that america has to lead. our leadership is essential. but we have to look at every situation and make the right decision. so the two is that you mentioned, one that we are not fighting in uganda. we are sending support advising intelligent resources to try to rid africa of this surge of the lord's resistance army. it was welcomed the ugandans and others. in syria we are strongly supporting change from at-battiasad and opposition that only engages in peaceful demonstration. you do

officials, if libya, why not syria? >> that is one of the places where obviously the president and the white house will have to keep its eye on. syria poses a different set of challenges and president assad may learn from what happened to gadhafi. he may go down swinging even harder. syria is still going to play out for quite some time. of this undoubtedly makes assad feel less secure. but it doesn't demand the involvement in the same way so far that libya did. >> there have been so many lessons from the arab spring, we've seen in egypt where things have not gone well and there are deep concerns. what about libya and its ability to create a nation out of these tribes? >> i think gadhafi's death was a necessary step to get to the next stage. >> but not enough. >> not sufficient to bring peace and governance there. gadhafi did over 42 years destroy virtually every civil institution that existed in libya. so the transitional government has an enormous challenge to bring different tribes together and bring really diverse po

in the face of the turmoil that's going on in syria. aligning iraq for all practical purposes with the stance of iran in support of bashar al assad. i know that's a source of great concern. as someone who has watched the situation in syria unfold, give me your thought. >> reporter: well, it most certainly is a clear example of how much influence iraq, iran actually does exert over iraq. maliki has been very firm in saying that the syrian president needs to be given a chance to reform. he most he certainly has not been siding with the activists which quite ironic when beth the history and everything that has taken place and transpired in iraq itself. and one has to look at how the maliki government has dealt with the demonstrations inside iraq, the human rights watch, amnesty international, activists themselves have issued reports as to how the iraqi government was using indiscriminate force to try to control the demonstrations happening within its own borders. if we look at what's happening in the bigger picture with all the arab upheav

they are not being strong enough when it comes to syria. israel has been thrown under the bus. the iranians feel emboldened. they are going to have a shot at iraq they would not have otherwise. ifle throw the world into eyas. and obama's policies when it comes to iran has not been working and they have not been bold enough when it comes to soaria. >> chris: when you sat down and i hope i'm not talking out of school you said you always have to think of what your audience is and you said your audience today is the 2012 republican candidates. what is your message that you want to give? >> these decisions matter. i want the troops to come home. god knows they fought well in iraq and the president is right that they come home with their head held up high. i want to end it well. what happens in iraq now is going to be much more difficult in terms of the iraqi people being successful. iran is the biggest winner of this. i want our presidential candidates to talk about foreign policy. what would you do with gitmo. use it. let the cia interrogate prisoners. what would you do in afghanis

syria is a much different case. the real issue for the arab world is going forward, how do we take all of these events over the last year, remarkable events, and try to chart a way forward that gives people the type of economic stability and growth, democratic representation, and the type of human rights support that many in the region aspire to. >> roger, as you point out, this in no way means terrorism won't be spawned some way by libya in the future. >> that's right. we're dealing with a number of tribal groups and individuals who now have to take on the mantel of governance and responsibility. it's one thing to be a freedom fighter. it's something else to run a bureaucracy and having to run a government, particularly a government that's known one way for many years now. the transition is going to be incredibly difficult. that's where the international community, particularly the west, is going to have to play a very aggressive role on aid and assistance, working very closely with the arab world in doing so. stab

. >>> in syria, accusations that security forces are torturing wounded protesters at state-run hospitals. amnesty international today said the tactic is a new and troubling trend in the months long crackdown on anti-government protesters. >>> a recommendation today that boys as young as 11 be vaccinated against the human papilloma virus. this from an advisory committee for the centers for disease control. hpv is the number one sexually transmitted disease in the u.s. and is linked to cancer. the vaccine is already recommended for young girls. >>> one of steve jobs' final visions may soon be on its way. according to multiple reports, before his death this month, jobs had finally cracked how to build an apple tv, one that will sync wirelessly with other apple devices. >>> gotta see this. a couple that can prove they can literally weather storm. their wedding turned to chaos last month when a monster sandstorm crashed the ceremony. it came in quick. luckily, the judge pronounced them husband and wife before he all ran for cover. so they are married. >> yikes. that's very memorable. >>> seri

they are not being strong enough when it comes to syria. israel has been thrown under the bus. the iranians feel emboldened. they are going to have a shot at iraq they would not have otherwise. ifle throw the world into eyas. and obama's policies when it comes to iran has not been working and they have not been bold enough when it comes to soaria. >> chris: when you sat down and i hope i'm not talking out of school you said you always have to think of what your audience is and you said your audience today is the 2012 republican candidates. what is your message that you want to give? >> these decisions matter. i want the troops to come home. god knows they fought well in iraq and the president is right that they come home with their head held up high. i want to end it well. what happens in iraq now is going to be much more difficult in terms of the iraqi people being successful. iran is the biggest winner of is. i want our presidential candidates to talk about foreign policy. what would you do with gitmo. use it. let the cia interrogate prisoners. what would you do in afghanista

should syria have the sort of nato treatment? >> well, first of all, let me point out that, if we had an imposed a no-fly zone, the full weight of american air power, this conflict would not have been prolonged as long as it has. but that's over. we really need to provide medical help for the libyans. we need to get these militias consolidated. under the transition national council. or there's going be big problems. we have to, from human rights standpoint, to see that prisoners are treated well. i think those things are what we can focus on. i don't think that air power would work in many other places. i think this was a unique situation. by the way, no british or french person died, either, they led and we followed. i think that syria cannot be allowed to continue to slaughter its own citizens indefinitely. now, the arab league of foreign ministers are going to damascus and make demands which assad will not agree to, so this is a step by step process. i wouldn't rule out actions from continuing to slaughter his own people. >> y

. >>> harsh words from syria's foreign minister to countries that appear unsympathetic to his government, saying syria will take strong measures against any country that recognizes an opposition council that's been formed in turkey. >>> and those are today's top stories. thanks for watching "state of the union." i'm candy crowley in washington. up next for our viewers in the u.s., "fareed zakaria gps." >>> this is "gps," the "global public square." welcome to viewers in the united states and around the world, i'm fareed zakaria. we have a really important show today. we're going to take an in-depth look at the u.s. economy from four crucial angles. first up, the big picture. and it's scary. from martin wolf of "the financial times." then a snapshot of the economy from starbucks chairman and ceo howard shultz. next up, the u.s. economy's breaking point. where are we weak incentive that's what the author of "money ball" and "the blind side, "michael lewis, will give his insights on. finally, solutions, what will fix the problems that ail us? i'll talk to tom freedman of "the new york times

the christians in syria are scared to death. >> what about america, though? that america provided the power of nato. >> america is the number one military power and will be indefinitely in the future. but the truth is, erin, we're coming home from the world. you have the smallest number of troops in okinawa than you've had before. they are going to be coming home from germany. and they should. the super power is in retreat which i think is a good thing but not for mankind. it's a good situation for us. we have to fix or own situation. deaf a deficit for years and we're on our way to greece. >> so you think the one way that the two sides can agree on, the only thing they've agreed son not cutting entitlements but they have seemed to agree that we can cut the defense. >> you can't borrow from the persian gulf to give to the persian gulf. i think we need to start looking out for america first. >> we're going to hear more from pat buchanan when we come back. the presidential campaign, his dream ticket and what really is the american dream. fore! no matter what sm

you look at syria and nigeria and even egypt is pretty messing. this, i think, is going to end the opposition to the new libyan government and it's going to send a powerful message around not only the arab world but to dictators about the dangers of hanging on too long. i think this is going to build moral in places like syria and yemen and protests and i got tweets from people in bahrain saying, us, too. >> yeah. it's been an extraordinary time for that whole region. i mean, in gadhafi's case, there he was calling these rebels rats and he was killed like a rat. >> three-quarters of libyans have known no other ruling and it's inconceivable what has happened and to me it's a reminder that history doesn't just inch along. it's in huge continuities and i think that's what we're prepared to see around the world as well. >> there's a debate today about what this means. president obama and vice president biden making a big play of, hey, $2 billion spent, no american troops on the ground, although people are questioning the voracity of that statement, wo

remember, wolf, he lived for 17 years in exile in syria. sew knows this characters and they know him. >> a lot of people are saying he is really cozying up to the rulers in teheran. even though the united states has spent hundreds of billions of dollars, lost thousands of lives at trying to create a democracy in iraq, yet he seems to be more interested in maintaining a strong relationship with iran. >> you're absolutely right. but i honestly descend slightly on this one. i don't think so much about iran and what iran want in syria. i think it is about malachi and the coalition around him. and his own dread, dread of what the sunni regime, possible jihadist and sir why would look like. again, 17 years are not for nothing. you live somewhere for 17 years. you form this bond with the intelligence people in syria, with the regime in sir why and this is what he is doing. >> let's talk about egypt for a moment. because it looks like all of the great hope, a lot of it is being then way if you will. cracking down and they are struggling and the peo

. >> fouad, i wonder, i know you're watching that video too, what does assad and syria thing? what message is that bringing to the middle east? >> that's exactly what -- a man for his security, he posted a note on an al jazeera and said congratulations what happened here in libya happened in syria. so i think in both syria and libya, there were two tyrants, surely he must think of the spectacle that he is seeing and think about the justice that has come. there is a wonderful cartoon, drawn by a syrian cartoonist and he was beaten up severely for i it,. >> fran, this is obviously a huge milestone? >> it is a huge milestone. libya has money challenges, the money from oil revenue, and in north after karks training along the border near to libya. there will be those around them that will seek to take advantage. so that's a concern. there will be tribal differences. there will be gadhafi loyalists that will look for an opportunity perhaps to launch insurgency like we saw in iraq. >> this fight in northern najair? >> that's exactly right. you've got these groups outside the border o

has against, say, syria or libya, and perhaps that is something that the u.s. could look at down the line as one possibility. but again, the u.s. -- officials saying on the record that they are looking at other ways to step up pressure on iran. clearly here they're not looking at military steps now, they're looking at financial and other forms of diplomatic pressure, wolf. >> presumably they have other steps in mind. jessica, when i spoke to mike rogers, the chairman of the house intelligence committee here in washington about an hour or so ago, he made it clear that based on all the information he's getting, and he's been well briefed for several months on what's going on as the chairman of this powerful committee in the house of representatives, he has no doubt that the highest elements of the iranian government were directly involved and authorized this alleged plot. are officials at the white house, background or on the record, are they going as far as mike rogers did in the conversation we had here in "the situation room." >> they are not, wolf. they are n

should syria have the sort of nato treatment? >> well, first of all, let me just point out that if we had imposed the no-fly zone. if we had imposed the full weight of american air power, this conflict would not have been prolonged as long as it has. but that's over. but we really need to provide medical help for the libyans. we need to get these militias consolidated under the transition national council or there's going be big problems. we have to, from a human rights standpoint see that prisoners are treated well. and i think those things are what we can focus on. i don't think that air power would work in many other places. i think this was a unique situation. by the way, no british or french person died either, and they led and we followed. but i think that syria cannot be allowed to continue to slaughter its own citizens indefinitely. now, the arab league of foreign ministers are going to damascus and make demands which assad will not agree to, so this is a step-by-step process, but i would not completely rule out actions t

syria responded by calling its u.s. ambassador for consultations. >>> shares of netflix were slammed in after-hours trading yesterday after the campaign reported a big fall-off in subscribers for the latest quarter. becky meehan is live in london for us this morning as we get all up in your business. what's happening to netflix? >> they are losing tons of subscribers. for the third quarter they lost 800,000 u.s. subscribers. it's a big number and a great deal bigger than we were led to believe. last month the company said they expected to lose about 200,000 u.s. subscribers. that's why the stock is suffering so badly. add to that some of the sentiment on the outlook. netflix telling us they expect dvd subscriptions to decline sharply in the fourth quarter of the year as well. even into 2010 they say they expect to make a loss in the first quarter partly because they are spending a lot of money in expanding their business into europe. bear in mind, since the summer, we've seen the stock down by over 60%. just really comp

. >> fouad, i wonder, i know you're watching that video, too, what does assaud and syria think watching that video? what message is that bringing to the middle east? >> that's exactly what -- a man for his security, he posted a note on an al jazeera blog and said congratulations what happened here in libya happened in syria. so i think in both syria and yemen, there were two tyrants, surely al assad, must think of the spectacle that he is seeing and think about the justice that has come. there is a wonderful cartoon, drawn by a syrian cartoonist and he was beaten up severely for it. it showed gadhafi driving a jeep and hitching a ride with him. this is the fault of the despots this is what they and do this is the end they deserve. >> fran in terms of libya moving forward this is obviously a huge milestone. >> it is a huge milestone. libya has money challenges, the money from oil revenue, and in north africa, training along the border near to libya. there will be those around them that will seek to take advantage. so that's a concern. there will be tribal differences. there will be gadha