more on penn state. the culture of moral corruption that penn state football program has displayed during the sandusky scandal, i think, is absolutely representable. it's clear joe paterno and penn state leadership cared more about the football program and the school's reputation than the actions of an alleged child rapist. it's not enough to fire a coach and a school president. there needs to be real restitution, in my opinion. a message needs to be sent. penn state should step up to the plate and cancel the rest of the season. tomorrow, you're going to turn on your tv sets and you're going to see the nittany lions playing nebraska. now, according to reports, fans are planning to wear blue to show their solidarity with the victims. perfect. multiple sources connected with the penn state football team tell tmz, the website, that coaches, the coaches, the coaches had a meeting with players thursday and said friends and family should show support for ousted coach joe paterno by wearing white to the game on

wha are the consequences for penn state? and the largerquestion, about how some institutions get so bi and so powerful, that they fail the most basic moral test. with u this morninghe republican governor of pennsylvania, and member of the penn state board of trustees, tom corbett. >>> then, what a week in the republican race for the white house. the denials. >> i have never acted inappropriately with anyone, period. the debate disaster. >> it's three agencies of government when i get there that a gone. commerce, education, and the -- what is the third one there? let's see. >> and now the question, is rry finished? can cain weather sexual harassment questions? can romney quiet conservative critics? and can michele bachmann, once near the top of the polls, regain her standing in the first tier? we'll ask them. with us this morning, presidential candidate and minnesota congresswoman michele bachmann. then, the view from the democrats. how does the president overcome america's high anxiety about the economy? will he have to run

what are the consequences for penn state? and the larger question, about how some institutions get so big and so powerful, they fail the most basic moral test. with us this morning the republican governor of pennsylvania, and member of the penn state board of trustees, tom corbett. >>> then what a week in the republican race for the white house. the denial. >> i have never acted inappropriately with anyone, period. >> the debate disaster. >> it's three agencies of government when i get there that are gone. commerce, education, and the -- what is the third one there? let's see. >> and now the question, is perry finished? can cain weather sexual harassment questions? can romney quiet conservative critics? and can michele bachmann, once near the top of the polls, regain her standing in the first tier? we'll ask them. with us this morning, presidential candidate and minnesota congresswoman michele bachmann. then, the view from the democrats. how does the president overcome america's high anxiety about the economy? will he have to

i don't think penn state has done enough. rick perry on a media tour trying to salvage his intelligence. i definitely don't think that he's done enough. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> a phone call put me out of it. but we'll go from here. >> the penn state sexual abuse scandal continues to grow. >> if there are more victims out there or witnesses out there, please come forward. >> former penn state player and nfl hall of famer franco harris is defending his old coach. >> i'm defending joe paterno, not jerry sandusky. >> reporter: tonight franco harris joins me exclusively. >> i would -- i would do away with the education, the -- commerce. and let's see. i can't. the third one i can't. sorry. oops. >> the perry campaign is on life support, and the candidate is flooding the airwaves. >> i stepped in it last night. >> i stepped in it. >> i stepped in it last night. that's for sure. >> i'll ask political analyst jim moore if it's time to say adios to the perry campaign. >> there are already mechanisms in place -- yo

how in the world does penn state recover from this? this story season the going to go away any time soon. a lot of legal ramifications will be drawn out. >> it's going to take time. the board has to do its own investigation. what went so horribly wrong in that athletic department, in that institution? and then they're going to have to slowly, i think, come back appropriately. and if that means, for example, drastic change in the athletic department, totally cleaning house, calling off a sport for a year or something -- i mean, you call off the football program for a year or something. it could be a radical thing to do. but it could come to that depending on what they find? >> honesty right now more than anything. they have to be honest, they had a county district attorney who chose not to prosecute, that's got to be answered why. a campus investigator who didn't have enough backbone do say, i'm not going to drop this investigation. county police who valued football -- >> this is dave -- >> it goes from the top to the bottom. >> steven

i don't think penn state has done enough. rick perry on a media tour trying to salvage his intelligence. i definitely don't think he's done enough. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> a phone call put me out of it, but we'll go from here. >> the penn state sexual abuse scandal continues to grow. >> if there are more victims out there or witnesses, please come forward. >> former penn state player and hall of famer frank o'harris and defends his coach. tonight he joins me exclusively. >> i would do away with the education, the -- >> commerce. >> commerce. let's see. i can't -- the third one i can't. i'm sorry. oops. >> the perry campaign is on life support, and the candidate is flooding the air waves. >> i stepped in it last night. i stepped it in. i stepped in it last night. that's for sure. >> i'll ask political analyst jim moore if it's time to say adios to the perry campaign. >> you know what? this pisses me off. >> the victim of joe watch's rude outburst is a letter carrier for the postal service. >> i'm tired of

more now on the evolving sex abuse scandal at penn state. joining me, ron mott, in state college p.a. for us once again. what's the latest from your vantage point, ron? >> reporter: hey there, alex. good day. one of the things people were looking forward to this week was getting this football game played and getting it over with after everything we saw this week with coach paterno being fired on wednesday and that riot as some described it with the students acting out on campus. they got a stern talking to from everyone from the governor on down about how to compose themselves for this -- comport themselves for this game on saturday. they were almost muted at the beginning of the game yesterday. the crowd really wasn't into it as much as i thought they could have been or would have been otherwise. then as the course of the game went on, they got a little more enthusiastic. one of the things we noticed, too, coming out of the gate, both teams met at 50-yard line and all the players got down on a knee and said a prayer for all of the victims o

penn state knew about it. penn state actually went to an investigating officer all the way back in 1998 and asked the investigating officer to drop the investigation. this board of directors, this board of trustees had better understand, this is not over at all. simply, look, when you read the finding of facts of this case, and you see the possibilities of who could be involved in a wider change of indictments, you start understanding, this is not just about joe paterno here. >> all right. all right. mike, for just a moment, put yourself in the position of representing one of the families of the victims. i mean, it's gut wrenching to think about that. but take us down that road for a moment. >> well, here it is. here it is. first of all, the university is on the hook here. look, it is a lock case. there is no way you can bring a case against this university with -- their involvement has been endless. the security at the university was involved, the -- you had supervisors involved. where they didn't just ignore

yes, what happened at penn state was like a panty raid. it had the form of panty raid. >> i don't know if we can say that on air. >> because -- look it up on google. because of the darkness of the -- of what touched off that, the reason the coach was fired, that gave it a much different -- not a lighthearted feeling the way college hi jinx happen. >> it was mainly males taking part in the riot at penn state. it wasn't the student body, it was mainly men, mainly the boys on campus. >> what's interesting. it's like the difference between hockey. have you a brawl in basketball, the world is ending, civilization as we know it has gone awry. in hockey they are socking each other every night. the problem, with the rioting going on, it's acceptable. a lot of people said if that would have been black or latino kids, you would have seen police beat down on them in a flash mob. >> i want to talk about the various lenses we can look at and understand what happened at penn state broadly. talk about that later in the program. we'll talk about campus ge

to penn. but i think i understand a little bit about that feeling up in happy valley up there, that almost religious sense of the importance of paterno and that football program. what's your sense of this as this thing's really come open now? >> well, i think the university has to do what patrick says. they have to really wipe the slate clean and start anew. and they've got to emphasize that penn state is more than just a football program. under graham spanier's leadership, it's become one of the great public universities in the country, one of the best academically, and it's more than just football. and that's a point that ought to be made. but they need to put all of this behind them. they need to understand the reality here is if in 2002, whether it's coach paterno, athletic director curley, mr. mcqueary, if someone had reported it to the police, there are at least five young men who wouldn't have had their lives alterably changed in what happened in 2003, '04, '05, '06, '07, and '08. and t

how in the world does penn state recover from this? this story season the going to go away any time soon. a lot of legal ramifications will be drawn out. >> it's going to take time. the board has to do its own investigation. what went so horribly wrong in that athletic department, in that institution? and then they're going to have to slowly, i think, come back appropriately. and if that means, for example, drastic change in the athletic department, totally cleaning house, calling off a sport for a year or something -- i mean, you call off the football program for a year or something. it could be a radical thing to do. but it could come to that depending on what they find? >> honesty right now more than anything. they have to be honest, they had a county district attorney who chose not to prosecute, that's got to be answered why. a campus investigator who didn't have enough backbone do say, i'm not going to drop this investigation. county police who valued football -- >> this is dave -- >> it goes from the top to the bottom. >> steven

not just penn state. about what our priorities are and making sure that we understand that our first priority he is protecting our kids. >> now, president obama is here in honolulu which is his hometown. he's hosting an asia pacific economic summit. this is the first policy stuff of a nine-day trip and also expanding trade with the region. the white house argues that expanding trade helps to create jobs on the home front. next week he travels to australia for the military apply generals between our two countries and then heads to bali, indonesia and ends his trip and that's where he spent a few years as he was growing up. alex? >> kristen, thank you very much. let's go now to politics and tonight south carolina foreground zero. foreign policy and national security is the topic of this debate. david is national reporter -- political reporter for politico. good morning, david. >> good morning, alex. >> let's talk about rick perry after his infamous oops slipup. how much do you think the pressure is on him a

a fight dedicated to penn state sports. thank you for your time. >> thanks for having me. >> absolutely. let me get an idea of what students are saying on the eve of this big game. as i said earlier, it would be so ear and f and when they score a touchdown and fans are waving and investigators are looking for alleged abuse victims. >> yeah, it's really just an odd, awful situation. we saw the reaction of the students earlier. some violent and some supporting joe paterno. they just didn't know how to react after these horrible allegations came out and they were taking down and joe paterno lost his job. i hope there was a semblance of sanity. we are talking about the candlelight vigil and they will do a blue out honoring the victims of sexual predators. you would hope that sanity is restored. what's going to happen when state scores a touchdown. i don't know that anyone cares at this point. >> let me play what the governor who was the attorney general when this started what he had to say to students last night. >> the eyes of

now, penn state -- penn state, we don't know how many victims there are. there are eight in the grand jury presentment. but the question is, are there more? and then you have a very profitable institution, penn state football brings in $72 million and change in 2010 and 2011. >> $6 million a game? >> yep. there's one estimate between ticket sales, parking, and concessions on a typical saturday, college in penn state, they pay -- bring in $6 million. the program makes a profit of $53 million. it's one of the top three most profitable programs in the country. so there's a lot of money at stake here in many different ways. >> what's pennsylvania law, the statute of -- there were some issues during the episode of the catholic church. there's usually a statute of limitation. you were telling me yesterday, the state of california simply voted and extended this statute to allow victims to sue. >> what california did when the priest abuse crisis happened, they -- the assembly there passed a law giving abuse victims one year to file lawsuits against their victims.

we are penn state! the crowd cheered, of course, but in a pedophile and his paternal protector are penn state, who else would want to be? making an ambiguous report to a supervisor, and then doing nothing more when you are in control of the world in which this all happened is a stunning gap in action, morals, and character. someone who would do the maximum when the opponent is a difficult football team and the minimum when it's a friend who's a pedophile. well, that person surely destroys the myth that football success proves you have character that is portable into the rest of human life. >> if you were to project, if you were to be a fortune teller, the fate of -- forget penn state, will this in any way affect america's relationship with its great college football clm. >> america's relationship in general? >> i'm saying on the campus in oklahoma, on the campus at michigan, on the campus at notre dame, where there's no issue like this whatsoever, but there is still a deference to the authority that cou

to penn. but i think i know a little bit about that feeling in happy valley up there, that almost religious sense of the important of paterno and that football program. what's your sense of this as this thing's really come open now? >> well, i think the university has to do what patrick says. they have to really wipe the slate clean and start anew. and they've got to emphasize that penn state is more than just a football program. under graham spanier's leadership, it's become one of the great public universities in the country, one of the best academically, and it's more than just football. and that's a point that ought to be made. but they need to put all of this behind them. they need to understand the reality here is if in 2002, whether it's coach paterno, athletic director curley, mr. mcqueary, if someone had reported it to the police, there are at least five young men who wouldn't have had their lives alterably changed in what happened in 2003, '4, '5, '6, '7, and '8. it's a horrible trag

plus more on the penn state candle. was there a conspiracy of silence within the football program and the university overall to protect one of their own? joining us to talk about it all, e.j. dionne of "the washington post," and david brooks of "the new york times." brooks of "the new york times." life moves fast. we're often so busy dealing with what's in front of us that we lose sight of the big picture. that's why it's good, every now and then, to pause, take a new look at your financial plan and make sure you're headed in the right direction. for more than 140 years, pacific life has been offering integrated solutions that help to create a secure financial future. ask a financial professional about pacific life - the power to help you succeed. >>> we're back now with our roundtable discussion. joining me columnist e.j. dionne of "the washington post" and columnist david brooks of "the new york times." if you are a country music fans, e.j. dionne. the famous cowboy. let's talk republican politics and look at the repu

and today's big story once again, penn state. breaking developments in the child abuse scandal surrounding, as you know, jerry sandusky. the judge that was handling his case, a person who was tied as a volunteer to sandusky's charity, has been replaced. also today, e-mails emerge from mike mcqueary, a name you may know at this point, the grad assistant who said he saw sandusky sexually abusing a boy in the penn state locker room. this goes back to 2002. the e-mails that were released contradict what was in the grand jury report. now in the mcqueary e-mails, he says, and i'll quote, i did stop it, not physically, but made sure it was stopped when i left that locker room. i did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police. he goes on to say in the e-mail, i am getting hammered for handling this the right way. now the definition of the right way, of course, has been the subject of heated debate, a debate had a has now reached congress with representative bobby rusch calling for a congressi

but is it penn state? is that going to be the one that's going to be the main target, civilry speaking? >> yes, of course, because that's where the money is. and you can't look at this as just the work of individuals. if, in fact, the case is proven. because we know enough by now that when these actions were first discovered by this graduate student, had this graduate student saw in that locker room as virtually unspeakable, he reports it to paterno. paterno does theoretically the right thing. he reports it up to curley. and then there is just the thought, well, we'll get it handled. we'll just kind of keep him away. but no reports to the police. so yes, the deep pocket is penn state. and i'll tell you, thomas, you know, penn state is not only going to face this as an institutional point of view, but it's also going to face the problem with money from its donors deciding that maybe they're not going to donate so much this year. >> rikki, real quickly, we had the republican from pennsylvania yesterday talki

to penn. but i think i know a little bit about that feeling in happy valley up there, that almost religious sense of the important of paterno and that football program. what's your sense of this as this thing's really come open now? >> well, i think the university has to do what patrick says. they have to really wipe the slate clean and start anew. and they've got to emphasize that penn state is more than just a football program. under graham spanier's leadership, it's become one of the great public universities in the country, one of the best academically, and it's more than just football. and that's a point that ought to be made. but they need to put all of this behind them. they need to understand the reality here is if in 2002, whether it's coach paterno, athletic director curley, mr. mcqueary, if someone had reported it to the police, there are at least five young men who wouldn't have had their lives alterably changed in what happened in 2003, '4, '5, '6, '7, and '8. that's an incredible

to penn. but i think i know i a little bit about that feeling in happy valley up there, that almost religious sense of paterno and that football program. what's your sense of this as this thing's really come open now? >> well, i think the university has to do what patrick says. they have to really wipe the slate clean and start anew. and they've got to emphasize that penn state is more than just a football program. under graham spanier's leadership, it's become one of the great public universities in the country, one of the best academically, and it's more than just football. and that's a point that ought to be made. but they need to put all of this behind them. they need to understand the reality here is if in 2002, whether it's coach paterno, athletic director curley, mr. mcqueary, if someone had reported it to the police, there are at least five young men who wouldn't have had their lives alterably changed in what happened in 2003, '4, '5, '6, '7, and '8. it's a horrible tragedy. it's horri

says he did tell police what he saw jerry sandusky doing in the penn state showers. we're going to be joined by a lawyer who's been contacted by some of sandusky's alleged victims. >> involuntary deviant sexual intercourse. >> the scandal at penn state growing. >> becoming bigger and igliar. >> the "new york times" saying ten more people. >> ten more have come out of the woodwork. >> to report similar assaults and the "new york times" says ten more so a total of 18. >> we have had a series of other accusers that have come out. >> bob costas grilled sandusky about the charges. >> you asked a simple question, are you sexually attracted to young boys. >> are you sexually attracted to young boys. >> he hesitated. >> sandusky made staggering admissions. >> yes i was in the shower. yes i was naked. yes i was a kid and yes there was touching going on. >> where do i begin? where do i begin here? >> he did not go hell no. hell no this didn't happen. >> i don't understand where you inadvertently touch a kid's leg. >> why would he agree to that? >> why were you in the shower wi

paterno sent it to the higher-ups at penn state, but never alerted police. moments after he made the remarks, paterno led the crowd kind of a strange moment, the penn state football cheer outside his home. we'll have more on what's next for paterno and penn state university coming up in just a few minutes on this show. >>> now to the european debt crisis, which has claimed its second head of state in just under a week. silvio berlusconi, italy's third-longest-serving prime minister confirming he will not run again for office, adding that hand-picked successor will be his party's next candidate. the front page of the "wall street journal" sum it is up. but the news was a boon to u.s. stocks, closing near session highs. the dow rallying up 101 points. the s&p adding 14 points and the nasdaq gained 32. will the gains continue? let's take an early look at the markets as we get all up in your business this morning. cnbc's geoff cutmore is live in london. >> it's amazing, isn't it, 17 turbulent years come to an end for mr. berlusconi. and you know what, at the end

it not look so bad for penn state. when it comes down to that courtroom, when the jury sits and listen to the facts, all this spin doesn't do him a bit of good. it might say, in the long run, i guess it could maybe save penn state money over the millions of dollars they're going to have to pay. the truth is, this is all about his last-ditch effort to save his legacy, which is at this point not existent. >> costas asked the lawyer why he came out today. he said it was important that sandusky get his side of the story out and they're just trying to play this out in the court of public opinion. obviously that's what's happening. that's my opinion. if you were defending sandusky, is this a move you would have made? >> no. not at all. there's no reason to do this. all he can do right now is this. he can count on the fact that sandusky's best shot here is to say there's no physical evidence, because the people that should have reported him were cowards and had they done what they should have done, we would have physical evid

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i read the penn state testimony. i watched james murdoch before the british panel looking at the murdoch empire. and i'm struck by all these institutions that become corrupted from the top down because of a culture of willingness to do anything to get one's own goals. and that's what we see with nixon. that's what we see with all three. >> carl, i agree with you about politics. having worked in it, everybody is led by the guy at the top. the one time michael dukakis said something, remember the fish rots from the top. it's an old greek expression. and it's always true. you end up talking like the bus. let's go to timothy nav tali, who had a big part in getting these out. sir, what do you see as -- you're not a defender of the nixon record, but you are in fact an exemplar of what we ought to know about it. what is edifying? what can we learn here that you find useful in terms of this debate about the nixon legacy? >> well, first of all, this was our first chance, as carl mentioned, to see the president under oath talk

penn state had no choice. when i heard this story and when i had a chance to see the grand jury information on sunday, i knew he was gone. and frankly, i really thought they waited too long to do it. i thought they dragged this on for days and days. i thought they would be gone two days before he was. he did everything he could to fight it. he tried to really with his announcements create a preemptive strike and give them an alternative. he was trying to cling to his job, which was kind of sad to watch, but penn state had absolutely no choice, chuck. they had to do this. in a career that was almost perfection, he made an incredibly bad judgment. i think probably at early as 1998, because there's no way in my mind, knowing his power, knowing his prestige and his position on that campus, which was stronger than anybody has on any campus in the united states, that they didn't know in 1998 what was going on. i believe he did, and i think he looked the other way. i think he had really a disinterest toward it and pr

the investigation into penn state coach jerry sandusky is expanding beyond the state of pennsylvania. texas authorities looking into the team's 1999 trip to san antonio to play in the alamo bowl. according to the 23-page grand jury report which outlines sandusky's alleged sexual assault of eight boys over the span of 15 years, the coach took one of his victims to the bowl game and threatened to send him home when the boy resisted his sexual advances. that's according to the grand jury report. >>. >> back in state college, the governor spoke to reporters and says he supports the decision to fire coach joe paterno and called on penn state to stop the violence reminding them the couldn't interest i is watching their actions. joe paterno has reached out to a high-profile washington lawyer to represent him. ron mott has the latest. >>> joe paterno is no longer the head football coach effective immediately. >> reporter: after 46 years atop the throne of penn state's football kingdom, joe paterno got a phone call wednesday night trumping his planned retirement leading to his immediate oust i

he saw jerry sandusky doing in the penn state showers. we're going to be joined by a lawyer who's been contacted by some of sandusky's alleged victims. >> involuntary deviant sexual intercourse. >> the scandal at penn state growing. >> becoming bigger and igliar. >> the "new york times" saying ten more people. >> ten more have come out of the woodwork. >> to report similar assaults and the "new york times" says ten more so a total of 18. >> we have had a series of other accusers that have come out. >> bob costas grilled sandusky about the charges. >> you asked a simple question, are you sexually attracted to young boys. >> are you sexually attracted to young boys. >> he hesitated. >> sandusky made staggering admissions. >> yes i was in the shower. yes i was naked. yes i was a kid and yes there was touching going on. >> where do i begin? where do i begin here? >> he did not go hell no. hell no this didn't happen. >> i don't understand where you inadvertently touch a kid's leg. >> why would he agree to that? >> why were you in the shower wi

the penn state case has multiple victims. syracuse allegation right now we're only talking about one alleged victim. >> all right. thank you, john. >>> oklahoma state university is reeling from a different kind of tranl. two of their women's basketball coaches were killed in a small plane crash last night near little rock, arkansas. kurt budke and miranda serna were on a recruiting trip. two others were also killed in the accident. >>> holding the bible when i'm sworn in. >> emotional huh? >> herman cain getting very emotional talking about his fate, his wife, and her role during a possible enaugust ration. it's been a turbulent week. more next. ♪ ♪ ♪ when the things that you need ♪ ♪ come at just the right speed, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ medicine that can't wait legal briefs there by eight, ♪ ♪ that's logistics. ♪ ♪ freight for you, box for me box that keeps you healthy, ♪ ♪ that's logistics. ♪ ♪ saving time, cutting stress, when you use ups ♪ ♪ that's logistics. ♪ they won't be beat. oh, act

he's done very well as the coach of penn state. however, that brings up another thorny issue which is the employee of the state school is individually liable for criminal acts or individually willful acts. if he acted negligently, it's under his employer. >> he's contacted a lawyer here. are there civil considerations? >> that's actually what i'm talking about is civil considerations here. so he can be sued civilly but he's going to have protection of his employer. remember, they're going to come at it two ways. either were negligent in that you should have reported this to the authorities in which case he's a state employee and negligently within the scope of his employment it's not personal liability or you willfully tried to cover it up which gets his employer off the hook because typically they're not responsible for individual acts. with sovereign immunity issues in the mix as well, it's not going to be an easy road to hoe. >> this is a very complex legal case that might be going forward here. speaking of organizations, there'

badr, penn state student body president. gotten national attention here. you've seen the comments from around the country. you are really try to refocus the energy here on friday. you had called -- there's a candlelight vigil happening on campus to remember the victims. you tweeted, you said it was the most proud moment of your life. talk about that. >> yeah. i actually had the honor to address the students at the candlelight vigil and talk a little bit more about what has happened over the course of the past week or so. i stood up on old main, directly behind me here, and looked out over the lawn which is spilled anywhere from 20 to 1,000 students holding candles in unity and in support for the victims and their families. it was literally one of the most emotional experiences of my life. we started to sing the alma mater at one point. i'll be honest, i couldn't help but be breaking down. it was really, really a strong sense of community. i think that's what we needed. >> if the pictures that we're seeing here are any indication, certainly must have been q

>> no. >> how do you feel about what has happened to penn state and joe paterno and to the penn state football program and your part in it? >> how would you think that i would feel about a university that i attend, about people that i have worked with, about people that i care so much about and, i mean, how do you think i would feel about it? i feel horrible. >> do you feel guilty? do you feel as if it's your fault? >> guilty? no, i don't think it's my fault. i've obviously played a part in this. but i don't think that i should have -- i should be accused as i have been. >> how would you define the part you played? what are you willing to concede that you've done that was wrong and you wish you had not done it? >> well in retrospect, you know, i -- i shouldn't have showered with those kids. you know, so -- >> that's it? >> well, that and -- yeah, that's -- that's what hits me the mochls >> the children who claim sexual abuse by jerry sandusky are all children that went through the foundation and the charity that he started called second mile. he started that charity back in 1977. howe

they sang the penn state song alma mater. it ends with the lines, may no act of ours bring shame, to one heart that loves thy name, may our lives but swell thy fame, dear old state, dear old state. the question i'd like to hear answered is how can this happen? i don't think we can really have that discussion without talking about and looking at the amount of money that penn state brings in as a football team. last year they brought in 72.7 million from football alone, 24.1 million from merchandising and sponsorship. ticket sales are obviously high, although they went down 23% in retail sales after the paterno news broke. but we're talking about institutions. it's not a profit mode and money is incredibly powerful. >> it's about the money, and when president obama addressed this and said we have to ask questions about ourselves and our institutions, we have to understand that as a people, as a society, and penn state is a great school, a great university. honey, it's about the money. we've been so money-conscious, the school c

love -- >> they love penn state, going there for years. and, you know, actually my family went out with them to a penn state game. a penn state alabama game early in the year. and they were so proud of that college. and i was so proud to be up there. and i said it at the time, they are great people up there. this is just -- this is so devastating -- matt milan? the guy who is on the lions? he broke down crying yesterday on espn. asked are you ashamed of your university? he didn't say he was, but he spoke quietly. this is such a tragedy for the kids, also such a tragedy for people that invested their families' lives at penn state only to be let down horribly by these terrible, terrible men. >> i love these kids that are demonstrating, angry they fire paterno. i wonder how they would feel if it was their little brother. to not -- for these college students to be acting -- obviously it's not all of them. >> hey, by the way, donny, i bet that doesn't go on. i bet you parents picked up the phone and said, hey, jackass, if i see you protesting i

i mean, i think that's what penn state fans and especially penn state former players who love joe are trying to do and have been trying to do all week. what's happened to the people that we thought we knew and what's going on right now. it's not only joe, it's also obviously jerry sandusky. there's starting to be some spin coming out of the paterno camp about maybe him addressing the situation either today or tomorrow and give his version of events. and there's starting to be some talk about maybe, just maybe, what mike mcqueary said to him is not what he said to the grand jury. i find that difficult to the believe. i think in the next day or two, there's a strong chance that paterno will address this. i think he wants to address it. he wanted to address it on tuesday. but it's very difficult to imagine or to visualize joe paterno, this icon, getting this information. and other than forwarding it up the chain to tim curley, doing nothing when the police weren't contacted, i agree. >> so what's next? where does the sexual abuse investigation stand now, and what does this mean for penn

it puts penn state in a bad light. what about everything addressing the reporting of alleged sexual abuse? is congress planning on doing anything about that? >> absolutely. there are no federal standards. >> should there be? >> i believe there should be. i am looking at it as well. we hope to collaborate on that issue. we hope to collaborate on the unfortunate circumstances of the -- even though it was a state issue -- of the issuance of $100,000 in bond. the lack of a monitoring ankle bracelet when this individual is walking amongst children, his house is in the midst of the neighborhood. >> you would want a federal standard set up for bail in dealing with cases like this and should have never gotten to this point? >> a federal standard for reporting and certainly oversight, piercing and lookingç over, if we find that state prosecution, state authorities, are not as adequate as they should be. if i might quickly say, here's a very prime example. let me hold up this young lady's face. this is ashley out of texas. she

penn state child sexual abuse scandal has reached beyond pennsylvania borders. texas authorities are looking into the football team's trip to the san antonio alamo bowl back in 1999. jerry sandusky took one of his eight alleged victims to the game and threatened to send the boy home when he resisted his sexual advances. the campus gears up for the senior game tomorrow without head coach joe paterno who was fired and without assistant coach mike mcqueary who has been side lined. >> you can't really please everyone. >> mike mcqueary will not be at bevary stadium. the university says u.s. because he's gotten so many threats. according to the indictment it was mcqueary who saw former assistant jerry sandusky rape a young boy in a campus shower back in 2002. mcqueary told joe paterno but did not call police. >> a lot of people probably think he should have done more. >> mcqueary, allegedly saw is only one of multiple charges against sandusky dating back to 1996. that's when he touched a young boy in a shower. two years later he took a different boy in the shower. tha

and i think that's what scares us at penn state. we see things like money under the table, maybe players traded their championship rings for tatt tatt tattoos. then you ask the question, how far would a school really go? where is the moral line? and at penn state, you see what we thought was the moral basement actually does not exist. and it's much even further below than we think. and that's going to happen when you have a school like penn state that produces over 60% of the revenue, the football program does, for the entire institution. >> yeah. and that is the sad and very harsh reality. the beautiful thing, and i'll wrap this up, dave, that we are encouraged, i think, but the fact that we can begin to have this conversation and start a path towards resolution, not only of the banks that are too big to fail, but also of the ncaa, which maybe in our metaphor will be the federal reserve, perpetuating the large institutions. dave, we'll talk to you next time. coming up here on "the d.r. show," the report everybody's talking about th

we've had a kind of awful week of these penn state revelations. where do you think things stand with the latest developments? >> it's a little too early to tell, i think. certainly, the school at syracuse is pushing back on the allegations. penn state things look terrible and it's just a horrific tragedy. but, i think, i hope it gives us pause as a nation and we take a look at what a major problem child abuse and pedophilia is in the country. and a related problem welcome sex trafficking among children is a huge problem. it's estimated that 100,000 children in the united states are trafficked every year, and sometimes right under our own noses. there's a group organized by ground swell, encouraging village voice to take down their adult section on their website, which is known to be a platform for sex trafficking. so things like this are happening, and it's time that we speak out and really pay attention to it. >> very good points. ari, i want to read to you something. because even the penn state faculty is now getting into the act. there was an o

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it puts penn state in a real bad light. what about addressing the reporting of alleged sexual abuse? is congress planning on doing anything about that? >> absolutely. there are no federal standards. >> should there be? >> i believe there should be. one of our u.s. senators is looking at it. i am looking at it as well. we hope to collaborate on that issue. we hope to collaborate on the unfortunate circumstances of the -- even though it was a state issue -- of the issuance of $100,000 in bond.ç the lack of a monitoring ankle bracelet when this individual is walking amongst children, his house is in the midst of the neighborhood. >> you would want a federal standard set up for bail in dealing with cases like this and should have never gotten to this point? >> a federal standard for reporting and certainly some oversight, piercing and looking over, if we find that state prosecution, state authorities, are not as adequate as they should be. if i might quickly say, here's a very prime example. let me hold up this young lady's f

the attorney though is preparing this civil suit against penn state. bring us up to speed about the investigation. >> reporter: well, the investigation, thomas, has taken on many layers. it's got layers of, of course, jerry sandusky, the former assistant coach here at penn state who is at the center of this investigation. grand jury indicting him on 40 counts involving alleged allegations or alleged sexual abuse of children, as many as eight victims, as you mentioned, lawyers now asking more alleged victim or possible victims to move forward. they're also moving forward with possible civil lawsuits. that has penn state also isolating themselves a little bit more, getting their board of trustees up to gear. and they've also initiated an investigation of their own looking into what happened over the years of those charges that involved san dust i can and why it wasn't elevated beyond a campus level to a police level? also, as you mentioned, the ceo, jack raykovitz, of the second mile, the organization, the charity organization that san dust dusky worked

and we continue following the sex abuse scandal at penn state university. legendary football coach joe paterno announced he will retire at the end of the season which could be just two and a half weeks from now. paterno has been under fire for a lapse of, quote, moral responsibility for not doing more to stop his former assistant coach jerry sandusky, the graduate assistant in 2002 after allegedly seeing sandusky molesting a 10-year-old boy in the shower at penn state. now a nine alleged victim of sandusky has come forward. now al chessley who played college football at the university of pittsburgh and was abused as a child himself. thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure to be here. >> let me get your reaction. you've got the grand jury report. we know the allegations. what is your reaction? at least to the grand jury believing that, a, university officials tried to cover up and perjure themselves and b, that others knew what was going on with these children? >> well, first of all i would like to say that i'm a spokesperson for the national center for vic

i read the penn state testimony. i watched james mural dadoch be the british panel, and i'm struck by all these institutions that become corrupted from the top down because of a culture of willingness to do anything to get one's own goals. that's what we see with nixon. >> carl, having worked in it, everybody is led by the guy it is top. remember dukakis said the fish rots from the stop? it's an old greek expression, and it's always true. let's go to timothy naftali, sir, what did you see -- you're not a defender of the nixon record, but you are an exemplar of what we should know about it. what did you find useful in terms of the debate about this legacy? >> well, first of all, this was our first chance to see the president under oath talking about one might call the dark corners, the remaining mistries the watergate. th was his opportunity to shed light on him. as carl mentioned, he doesn't, but something very important here is that the prosecutors, henry ruth and the other watergate special prosecutors did not know

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