sheikh mohammed told us something. and maybe that is because of the torture. >> they do this a lot. like the arab spring was caused by the iraq war. ten years later we capture bin laden, clearly that was the result. this gets back to this national psychosis that gripped the country after 9/11. we had a cover up with the cia where tapes disappeared and the other thing that rodriguez said he was in no danger of dying. we also know many detainees did die over the past few years when they, doing this. >> and one of the things they would do is slam them against the wall and they weren't likely to get a concussion or blood clot unless they did. look, this lead to a devolvement in iraq and afghanistan, and the next thing you know a lot of people died being tortured. >> right. >> and another one point it was over a hundred deaths. at one point a guy was thrown off of a bridge. >> the jaysoc command were putting people outside in the mud all night, shooting them with paintballs. this was corruption at the top, and now he is sel