you say that you think you believe that you learned about the arrest and the telephone call with levinson which may have been, when do you think that was? september 2006? >> i think i have said here and certainly to my family in august, i was not in london. mr. hinton could reach me at any time. wherever i was in august. >> the top of paragraph 170, page 03029, you say that you had been told probably by les hinton by news international that we are core operating with the police. the evidence to the inquiry and might be said to demonstrate that news international were not core operating with the police. >> well i don't agree with that. if i may differ. we appointed a special law firm to look into this and to aid our corporation with the police and when the police, after the charging, not just the arrest but the charging, that was said and they were closing the files. i can't believe they would have done that if they were unhappy with our cooperation. >> that is not the evidence we have had. the evidence we have had a pierced to demonstrate that the law firm you mentioned produce just one d