joe biden? michelle malkin is here with the results of a brand-new poll and it could spell trouble with a capital t with a guy who would like to one day be president. hour two for thursday commences immediately >> gretchen: good morning, everyone. live from charlotte in what looks to be a beautiful day, even though the big speech for president obama was canceled tonight in the outdoor arena because of the threat of rain in the afternoon. we'll have to see how that plays out. they had make a decision, they did it. some people said maybe it was because they couldn't get enough people there. but whatever you believe, the speech will be indoors right over there tonight instead. >> brian: the chance of rain had to be brought up when they decided to do it outdoors and decided to take the risk. i feel sorry for all those people who descended on the city. it's thousands of people who have nowhere to go tonight. >> gretchen: a lot of people were going to be bussed in. maybe they're not going to be bussed

hmm. >> brian: remember when joe biden made this blunder? >> three letter word j-o-bhs. >> brian: president obama giving him a run for his money. >> with three proud words, made in the usa. >> brian: a little different. so there is his new 57 states. >> steve: i about the he meant made in america, which he has said in the past. donald trump is a proud american examine joins us now. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> steve: so both the conventions, each the parties wound up with their candidates getting bumps. what do you make of it? >> the democrats got a much bigger bump, unfortunately. and they ran a very good convention. let's face it. i think the republican convention, first of all, was hurt by the hurricane or lack of hurricane, hurricane never really hit heavy in tampa. but i guess they had to do what they do. but the fact is that the democrats gave a great convention. there is no question about it. >> gretchen: what do you make of the media coverage? or you're looking at it straightforward if you watched fox or prime time covera

so who is going to help joe biden, the vice president warm up in the bullpen? democratic congressman chris van hollen is the guy and he works with congressman paul ryan and he's my guest this morning. good to see you. >> good morning. >> gretchen: so you're going to warm up joe biden in the bullpen. some people would say that could be a tough job. >> listen, joe biden knows these issues very well, from the domestic policy, foreign policy issues, i sit next to paul ryan every day in the budget committee. i know how he likes to present the arguments. i hope i can be of some use to the vice president in that area. >> gretchen: would you admit since you know paul ryan, that he is a good debater? >> i think paul is a good debater. the question is the use of facts on the budget. i think we'll hear a lot more about that as we know in his acceptance speech, there was a lot of fact checking going on the next day. so i think it's going to be important to hold people to the facts as we go through these debates. >> gretchen: many the counter to that is joe biden's gaffes,

even joe biden. i'll switch prompters. a closer look at unpress did noted power of valerie jarrett. >> gretchen: democrats had trouble answering the question, are we better off than we were four years ago? up next, an obama supporter, the mayor of minneapolis answers that question for us. >> steve: how are you? >> great. >> steve: beautiful day in charlotte whoa. right? get. out. exactly! really?! [ mom ] what? shut the front door. right? woop-woop! franklin delano! [ male announcer ] there's oreo creme under that fudge! oreo fudge cremes. now in two new flavors. i've been fortunate to win on golf's biggest stages. but when joint pain and stiffness from psoriatic arthritis hit, even the smallest things became difficult. i finally understood what serious joint pain is like. i talked to my rheumatologist and he prescribed enbrel. enbrel can help relieve pain, stiffness, and stop joint damage. because enbrel, etanercept, suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal eve

joe biden will take part in the ceremony there this morning. it will include a moment of silence that will be at 10 tln 03 and then a reading of the names of the victims. leon pineda visited the memorial yesterday saying he was grateful to the heros of flight 93. he calls the memorial the final resting place of american patriots. >> today in new york city when the loved ones of the victims are gathering to mourn. >> i know you lost a lot of people. >> it was a tough day for a lot of folks. >> eric shawn is live for us at ground zero. he joins us live for what's going on there. >> it is that day again a day of tears and tributes here at ground zero. as they have in the past years family members and others will gather in remembrance over the past years the defiant anger has given way to quiet sorrow. as has occurred during the years there will be the reading of the names the 2,980 people who died here. there will be 6 moments of sigh wednesday when the first plane hit when the towers crumbled and for the pentagon and flight 93. no public speakers

and joe biden at blue collar. >> gretchen: on prompter. >> brian: for the most part screaming loud as he could and all fired up. and fars president obama goes, he is hostage to his own standards. >> steve: we didn't hear the store tore in rhetoric we heard four years ago and last night was not one of his great spheeches. i thought bill clinton and mishil obama and joe biden gave a better speech and charles krauthammer said when it comes to wresident said last night, there was not much to it. here's charles. >> i was stunned. this is a man who gave one of the great speeches of our time in 2004, and he gave one of the emptiest speeches i have ever heard on a national stage. there was nothing in temperature at least mitt romney had a five-point plan and he doesn't say how we get from a-b. it was a vision. i have a vision of america with no disease and private airplane . but unless i said how we get there, i have said nothing. >> steve: there were not many details. the part of the president's plan he intends to raise taxes on people who are successful. >> gretchen: many people are analyzi

he was also joe biden, wasn't he? and i think john kerry. he's pretty good at it. >> steve: he's like bob barnett on the democrat side who prepared many, many democrats. >> brian: by the way, kerry is playing mitt romney for president obama. >> steve: all right. we are live at the dnc, the balance of the week. now headlines with the dnc about to officially begin today. president obama finds himself trying to repair his relationship with typically loyal group of voters. we're talking about unions. big labor is upset democrats are holding their convention here in north carolina, which is a right to work state, that bans unions from forcing people to join or pay dues. the president making a very direct appeal to unions while visiting ohio. >> unions like yours that help forge the basic bargain in this country, the bargain that built the greatest middle class and the most prosperous country and the most prosperous economy that the world has ever known. >> steve: some unions upset that the president has prevented the keystone pipeline from moving

the rented truck full of metal detectors was taken from a hotel as they prepared for joe biden's labor day events. the truck was found in an apartment complex but some equipment was still missing. a few cases marked secret service were discovered at an abandoned house in another neighborhood. they are releasing these photos of a person of interest. they we >> hollywood is mourning the loss of actor michael clarke duncan. he was best known for his performance in the 99 fill will "the green mile." he was also in armageddon and blan et of t planet of the apes. he was being treated for suffering a massive heart attack in july. he was 54 years old. that was your 5@5:00. now it is time for your first degree weather update with maria molina with more on where you will need an umbrella today. >> you are going to need an umbrella for significant parts of the country today. pretty large area dealing with showers and storms. that includes parts of the northeast into the southeast. rolling through parts of central new jersey and also southeastern parts of pennsylvania around the philadelphia area.

but, vice president joe biden went one step further. where he said, to journalists, basically dared them and said, look, fact-check my spieeech. come on, bring it on, listen. >> what they are proposing -- and this is a fact, i say to the press, fact-check me. [applause]. >> by the way... by the way... [applause]. >> it is amazing how they don't like to be fact-checked. we will not be bound by those fact-checkers. >> clayton: all right, the associated press and washington post and others took to some of his sound bites from the dnc, and... he looks really mad there. >> alisyn: he's shocked by what we are saying and the first thing that he said, was the obama administration had created 4.5 million jobs. so, listen to this: >> america has turned the corner. the worst job loss since the great depression, we have since created 4.5 million private sector jobs, in the past 29 months. >> clayton: the associated press said that is false. because it counts jobs from the recession's lowest point to where employment began to grow again, excluding j

. >> finally if you remember during the republican convention vice president joe biden was supposed to arrive in florida to crash the party and they had to call that tripast minute because of then prtrap c storm isaac? paul ryan is expected to campaign today in greenville, north carolina. still a ways away from charlotte. still never the less he will be campaigning as democrats get ready to kick things off in charlotte. back to you in new york. >> we will be following that through out the week and give us updates. thank you so much. >> these guys didn't get a break. one convention to the other. now to the top five stories. when the democratic national convention starts it will start with a milestone. official debt clock is expected to show tomorrow our nation's debt has crossed the $16 trillion mark. i think that will happen sometime this hour or next. republicans focused on the nation's soaring debt with two debt clocks one for the total debt and the debt accumulated during the convention alone which was $8.5 billion. too busy to rays a murder suspect? a detroit man trying to turn him

and paul ryan will practice and the one who plays joe biden will be gary doocy. >> steve: they . that is incredible. was his voice goinger or slower . clever. >> brian: bill watches with a tank top and underwear . >> gretchen: that is i wonder if he watched that on the show. >> gretchen: i guarantee you if right now. >> brian: put a robe on. don't just run down. bomb shell new report suggest that the white house new within 24 hours that the deadly terrorist attack on the consulate. yet the president has yet to say so. peter doocy in washington with more. >> you are right. according to secretary of state hilary clinton al-qaida was behind the raid on the consulate in benghazi not only is al-qaida carrying out acts of terror but sabtage libya's effort to build a post gaddafi government. >> they are working with violent extremist to undermine in. as we saw in benghazi. >> president obama still hasn't called what happened in libya a terrorist attack and that outraged senators graham we recognize al-qaida involved in the terrorist attack is an inconvenient truth for a president who cl

. >> the vice president, joe biden, backed up the imagine after accepting his nomination, promising that better days are ahead. >> the cause of change is not fully accomplished but we are on our way. so i say to you tonight, with absolute confidence, america's best days are ahead. yes, we are on our way. >> the romney campaign had a quick response to the president's speech last night. here is what they said: "he offered more promises but he hasn't kept the promises he made four years ago, americans will hold president obama accountable for his record, they know they are not better off. it's time to change direction." now, later today both mitt romney and president obama will hit two of the same swing states -- iowa and new hampshire of the back to you in new york. >>heather: thank you, doug, from charlotte, north carolina. sticking with that team, fox news analyst karl rove weighed in on how the speech played to independent voters. listen to what he had to say. >> i don't think he got it done for them. the arena was on fire, fired up and ready to go. look, everyone would walked in to the

>> joe biden says it will be a big, you know what deal. >> big [bleep] deal. >> the weather has been causing havoc in charlotte, north carolina, so we will find out what is on tap for the rest of the week. janice? >> we do have rain across the plains today, and across the mid-atlantic, charlotte is in the way of, perhaps, showers and storms yet again today. it has been a bad week in terms of nasty weather. that will continue, unfortunately, for the morning, the afternoon, and the skies should clear in the evening. it was actually a good idea they moved everyone indoors. a last folks are upset they will not see the president but first, of course. now the tropics. they are really active. hurricane michael is a category two storm not affecting land. hurricane leslie is too close to comfort for bermuda. now the latest track at 5:00 a.m., becoming strong category two hurricane by sunday. to the right of better my da. they will feel at least tropical storm force wind and atlantic canada needs to be alerted. we will talk about developments in the gulf of mexico, perhaps, ladies. >> oh, no.

and vice president joe biden will attend a ceremony in shanksville, pennsylvania. it will include a moment of silence at 10:03 a.m., then a reading of the names of the victims and a wreath laying at that location. >> steve: you'll see it all right here on fox and right now you'll see laura ingraham, the esteemed radio show host and tv commentator. good morning to you. >> it's not as fun when i'm not on the segueway scooter with karl rove in the morning as we were last week. i'm still getting ridiculed. >> gretchen: you can still talk about the same stuff because today jay carney is saying that he's not going to blame president bush for four years of bad unemployment and such. then did he actually say that and then blame him? listen to this. >> not about blaming. we know that the country was in economic freefall when he took office; that we were shedding jobs at an alarming rate. 750, 800,000 jobs per month. that's a fact. and that continued because the recession was in full bloom when he took office. once the president's policies, having been enacted by congress, a

i'm surprised joe biden continues to bait those fact checkers, with statements like that. that's a pretty-- that's a slam-dunk. >> alisyn: because people don't listen to his speeches with the calculator out and listen with their guts and resonates. they have been saying the same thing for the better part of almost four years so it must be working on the campaign trail with them. >> dave: and doing some hypnotizing before that. stare into the pen. >> alisyn: all right. let's get to your headlines, because, to tell you about right now. there was another insider attack that claimed the life of a soldier and contractor. 2000 american troops killed in afghanistan sense the war began. iran's president ahmadnejad says threats mean nothing, and the u.s. does not allow iran the action or even if someone takes action against iran he will not change the country's policy and even expired it to a terrorist attack. well, pennsylvania schools are under attack of an atheist group. and suing the connellsville district to move it off the lawn of the injury high school. many in community wan

biden said bin laden is dead and gm is alive. that was a bumper sticker of the saying. and that was rallying up al-qaida. why would the administration cover up al-qaida? >> rudy guiliani what is wrong with governor mitt romney saying look at all of the problems here and he wants answers. and i think that governor romney was vindicated by hises when he said the message that we are giving shows weakness and it turns out he was right on the money. >> gretchen: but the way the american public perceives the comments is all that matters when you go to the polls. the obama administration was successful in selling this as a spontanous reaction and the media was successful in saying that romney jumped the gun those are the impressions that are left in the american's people's mind it is hard it go back and change perceptions that are in the american people's. >> brian: the president shows the president lost five poigns on the foreign policy aruval rating. but president obama has to feel good about another national poll that shows him with

had you joe biden outing seal team 6. dr. afraidy out as one of the guys who helped us. there is a series of things. let me tell you, this is one of the most serious where you have official white house opening doors. giving what i believe and others believe is classified access. let me say this for the record. there is actionable information in those judicial watch documents. you could give this to a prosecutor. i'm a counter intelligence officer. i used to do investigation. indicate federal crimes were committed and need to be investigated. >> lt. colonel tony shaffer. stay tuned to that thanks for being here this morning. we appreciate it? >> thank you. >> coming up. chilly new details on the auto -- aurora movie theater massacre. what he was doing that some say could have prevented the entire tragedy. not old enough to drive this high school freshman being hailed a hero for preventing a school bus crash. that story coming up. we believe honor is not exclusive to the military, and commitment is not limited to one's military oath. the same set of values that drive our n

biden said it, i'm not sure if president obama said it or not, but it was you ared quite a few times, osama bin laden is dead and gm is alive. a lot of this protest is at least what we're reading, is in response to the victory lap that the administration is taking for killing bin laden. so if you attach it to terrorism, if you attach to a preplanned attack, it heads back to the white house. if you blame the movie, it shields them from any blame. >> brian: i didn't think we'd be arguing on this level. i thought perpetrators is where we're going now rather than talk being was it terror. by the way, it's amazing, it wasn't self-evident on wednesday. but thursday, it's self-evident about the terrorist attack. it's also important, if you want to know where this is coming from, flying a nonpolitical standpoint, pick up the weekly standard. the headline is, bin laden is dead, but al-qaeda is alive. they go into detail about the intelligence that al-qaeda has decided get the name low, but keep the philosophy and the militias going and they sent their guys right into libya to grow out cells.

>> i don't know what he's talking about and joe biden made a similar reference with regard to syria and iran in his democratic convention speech. i think it's designed to say that any criticism of the president on his foreign policy is designed to bring us into a war, that a lot of opponents of the president who are saying that the weakness and vascillation in the middle east are the best bets to promote a war in the middle east. so as we're about to hear the president's speech this morning, we know there is a civil war in syria. we know that iran is on the precipice of a nuke leer weapon. we know libya claimed the life of our ambassador and three others. we understand that israel is concerned about our alliance with them at this point. and the middle east is in flames. and is in a state of i guess the summer after the arab spring. we see in the "new york times" that there was a lot of concern in the state department and the united states government about how president obama handled the mubarak transition in egypt, whether we did it too fast and whether we did it in a way that hurt our

and, you know, white house officials don't come out, well, maybe other than joe biden and say what is on his mind. very often there is a directorrive from the white house this is now the mode disoperandi going forward. label it x, y, and z. officials with different responses. hillary clinton said this. >> susan rice is the first one to your point sent out there. many believe she is our next secretary of state. rpg's at a spontaneous protest? i mean, i'm talking about people that don't cover the middle east. people said this doesn't make sense. 9/11, multiple countries, rpg's. this doesn't sound like spontaneous protest u.s. ambassador killed for the first time since 1979. average people saying this is not spontaneous. why the administration? >> i don't know. i'm glad we have some guests on for the next four hours from historians, political pundits, military people to explain why wouldn't they call it terrorism? by the way the president you probably heard was interviewed on univision in a very hard-hitting interview. he said what he called it it's inexcusable violent act directed at we