. >> rose: has the is palestinian-israeli situation gotten off the front burner for too long and you can bring it back? >> well, it's a good question. not for the people out in the region, by the way. >> rose: it has not gotten off the front burner. >> no, i still believe that it's central to the future of the region. look, i have just come back from my last-- it was my 88th visit there. my wife said to me it is not actually the number of visits you made, it's the progress that counts. which i didn't think was remarkably supportive, actually. but-- . >> rose: this is a qualit quality-quantity argument, isn't it. >> yeah. so look, there is a risk, i think. there's a risk in the region and there is a risk in america, people say look you have the arab revolution, the uprising, the palestinian thing takes second place. this is a big mistake in my view. i think the palestinian issue is still absolutely fundamental to understanding the region to resolving some of the underlying tensions of it. >> well, you achieved some success in ireland. why can't you achieve some success between israeli

the-- the blood of the palestinians being shed and they see that the u.s. administrations were biased against the interest of the palestinians so sort of hate and sort of worry arise out of that in egyptian-- and the area and-- however, as i said, this is an opportunity with the new directions of the u.s. administration, this is the opportunity to take these worries or this hate out of the way and to build a new relationship based on respect, communication and mutual respect. this is an opportunity so that egyptians can really see that there is a real support for their revolution, for their principles and for their choice by the american people and by the u.s. administration. this is a great opportunity for all of us to live together on the bases of international justice and international democracy, not just local democracy and freedom and local freedom. we want freedom for everybody. we sent a message of peace to everyone, but it has to be just as well. >> rose: we have seen in terms of the u.s./egyptian relationship protests at american embassies around t

, i ray lisa and the palestinians. on the other hand, there are others that would argue based on what you just said that there might very well be extremism even if they settled the israeli and palestinian conflict. that's not the only reason that drives extremism in the world today. >> well these days, yes. but some time ago it was almost the single reason. but now it is much more complex, i agree. >> rose: thank you. a pleasure. >> thank you very much, as always. >> rose: sergey lavrov, foreign minister of russia. thank you for joining us. see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

palestinians are split. so i find myself it's hard to write about that issue anymore. >> that issue because you think nobody knows. >> it's just that-- some problems get so broken, charlie, that leadership isn't enough from the stop. you need leadership the tom and the bottom. and the arab conflict and palestinian conflict has reached that point. without a mass movement of israelis and palestinians that basically we want to finish this thing and it's okay for you to reach a compromise. i think leaders are so weak, so frail, so afraid that i just don't see why the breakthrough is going to come from. >> rose: so therefore? >> so therefore israel will be default end up becoming a binational state for some kind or another. it may not be binationalism. >> rose: so some people might not have the right to participate. as you know, prime minister netanyahu always talks about his recognition of israel as a jewish state. >> right. hey, that's good work if you can get it. but at the end of the day how-- how israel forg

palestinians are split. so i find myself it's hard to write about that issue anymore. >> that issue because you think nobody knows. >> it's just that-- some problems get so broken, charlie, that leadership isn't enough from the stop. you need leadership the tom and the bottom. and the arab conflict and palestinian conflict has reached that point. without a mass movement israelis and palestinians that basically we want to finish this thing and it's okay for you to reach a compromise. i think leaders are so weak, so frail, so afraid that i just don't see why the breakthrough is going to come from. >> rose: so therefore? >> so therefore israel will be default end up becoming a binational state for some kind or another. it may not be binationalism. >> rose: so some people might not have the right to participate. as you know, prime minister netanyahu always talks about his recognition of israel as a jewish state. >> right. hey, that's good work if you can get it. but at the end of the day how-- how israel forges

, i ray lisa and the palestinians. on the other hand, there are others that would argue based on what you just said that there might very well be extremism even if they settled the israeli and palestinian conflict. that's not the only reason that drives extremism in the world today. >> well these days, yes. but some time ago it was almost the single reason. but now it is much more complex, i agree. >> rose: thank you. a pleasure. >> thank you very much, as always. >> rose: sergey lavrov, foreign minister of russia. thank you for joining us. see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org >>m

the palestinians have been shoved aside. but the issue is not going to go away. it's not just a question of violence or opposition. first and foremost it's a demographic issue. israelis like myself believe we need to solve the palestinian issue and have a two-state solution for our own sake. >> rose: is that option slipping away? >> it is slipping away but it hasn't slipped away yet, this time. and there are various channels in which there's an effort to repair there, to create... to challenge between the israelis and palestinians, i've participated in a couple and i think we still have time. not a lot, but we still have some time. >> rose: it's good to have you with us. thank you. >> thank you. >> rose: back in a moment. stay with us. >> rose: michael lewis is here. he is a best-selling author, he is a journalist, he is many things. his talent for narrative lies in capturing his character's thought process. president obama is his latest subject. over six months he had the rare opportunity to speak with and observe the president. the interviews took place in a va

the-- the blood of the palestinians being shed and they see that the u.s. administrations were biased against the interest of the palestinians so sort of hate and sort of that in egyptian-- and the area and-- however, as i said, this is an opportunity with the new directions of the u.s. administration, this is the opportunity to take these worries or this hate out of the way and to build a new relationship based on respect, communication and mutual respect. this is an opportunity so that egyptians can really see that there is a real support for their revolution, for their principles and for their choice by the american people and by the u.s. administration. this is a great opportunity for all of us to live together on the bases of international justice and international democracy, not just local democracy and freedom and local freedom. we want freedom for everybody. we sent a message of peace to everyone, but it has to be just as well. >> rose: we have seen in terms of the u.s./egyptian relationship protests at american embassies around the arab world and i

the palestinians have been shoved aside. but the issue is not going to go away. it's not just a question of violence or opposition. first and foremost it's a demographic issue. israelis like myself believe we need to solve the palestinian issue and have a two-state solution for our own sake. >> rose: is that oion spping away? >> it is slipping away but it hasn't slipped away yet, this time. and there are various channels in which there's an effort to repair there, to create... to challenge between the israelis and palestinians, i've participated in a couple and i think we still have time. not a lot, but we still have some time. >> rose: it's good to have you with us. thank you. >> thank you. >> rose: back in a moment. stay with us. >> rose: michael lewis is here. he is a best-sling author, he is joualist, he is many things. his talent for narrative lies in capturing his character's thought process. president obama is his latest subject. over six months he had the rare opportunity to speak with and observe the president. the interviews took place in a variety of l

the-- the blood of the palestinians being shed and they see that the u.s. administrations were biased against the interest of the palestinians so sort of hate and sort of worry arise out of that in egyptian-- and the area and-- however, as i said, this is an opportunity with the new directions of the u.s. administration, this is the opportunity to take these worries or this hate out of the way and to build a new relationship based on respect, communication and mutual respect. this is an opportunity so that egyptians can really see that there is a real support for their revolution, for their principles and for their choice by the american people and by the u.s. admistration. this is areat opportunity for all of us to live together on the bases of international justice and international democracy, not just local democracy and freedom and local freedom. we want freedom for everybody. we sent a message of peace to everyone, but it has to be just as well. >> rose: we have seen in terms of the u.s./egyptian relationship protests at american embassies around the a

palestinians are split. so i find myself it hardto write about that issue anymore. >> that issue because you think nobody knows. >> it's just that-- some problems get so broken, charlie, that leadership isn't enough from the stop. you need leadership the tom and the bottom. and the arab conflict and palestinian conflict has reached that point. without a mass movement of israelis and palestinians that basically we want to finish this thing and it's okay for you to reach a compromise. i think leaders are so weak, so frail, so afraid that i just don't see y the breakthrou is goingo cme from. >> rose: so therefore? >> so therefore israel will be default end up becoming a binational state for some kind or another. it may not be binationalism. >> rose: so some people might not have the right to participate. as you know, prime minister netanyahu always talks about his recognition of israel as a jewish state. >> right. hey, that's good work if you can get it. but at the end of the day how-- how israel forges a secur

, i ray lisa and the palestinians. on the other hand, there are others that would argue based on what you just said that there might very well be extremism even if they settled the israeli and palestinian conflict. that's not the only reason tha drives eremism in the world today. >> well these days, yes. but some time ago it was almost the single reason. but now it is much more complex, i agree. >> rose: thank you. a pleasure. >> thank you very much, as always. >> rose: sergey lavrov, foreign minister of russia. thank you for joining us. see you next time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

they believe it is almost entire i are rhetoric and he hasn't done anything in their mind to solve the palestinian issue, he hasn't done anything to stop iranian nuclear weapons and threw mubarek under the bus and may throw us under the bus so there is not a lot of, not a lot of love, as prince saud the foreign minister likes to say this used to be a catholic marriage and now it is a muslim marriage, they have several wives, china, the u.s. and we are not wife number one, necessarily anymore. >> rose: there is also the argument that tom friedman and others have made if in fact you look at countries that are rich in natural resources like they are rich in oil, what you find is that they have pot developed the kind of government nance and the kind of system both entrepreneurial as well as responsible to its populace .. that might have served them better. >> oil for them, i think, has been a curse for the population. it has been a blessing for the royal family family's longevity and power, but it is a society that is totally dependent and that is the way the royal family wants it. they want you to de

they believe it is almost entire i are rhetoricnd he hasn't done anything in their mind to solve the palestinian issue, he hasn't done anything to stop iranian nuclear weapons and threw mubarek under the bus and may throw us under the bus so there is not a lot of, not a lot of love, as prince saud the foreign minister likes to say this used to be a catholic marriage and now it is a muslim marriage, they have several wives, china, the u.s. and we are not wife number one, necessarily anymore. >> rose: there is also the argument that tom friedman and others have made if fact you look at countrieshat are rich in natural resources like they are rich in oil, what you find is that they have pot developed the kind of government nance and the kind of system both entrepreneurial as well as responsible to its populace .. that might have served them better. >> oil for them, i think, has been a curse for the population. it has been a blessing for the royal family family's longevity and power, but it is a society that is totally dependent and that is the way the royal family wants it. they want you to depend