after long opposing abbas's u.n. efforts, the militant hamas recently endorsed the move. >> ( translated ): the hamas movement is with all the diplomacy acts that adds to the palestinian victories. we welcome the step for statehood at the united nations but we want it to be through a national program based on the resistance and keeps the palestinian rights. >> warner: general assembly recognition would put palestine on a par with the vatican at the u.n., but would not grant full representation. last year, abbas failed to win full u.n. membership for a state of palestine. the u.s. is opposed to even limited recognition, saying it will endanger prospects for a negotiated settlement with israel. state department spokeswoman victoria nuland issued that warning again today. >> we are concerned that this vote is going to make the work of getting... the work of getting the parties back to the table more difficult. >> warner: but the palestinians' u.n. representative riyad mansour voiced the opposite view yesterday. >> it sh

we have extended our hand for peace to president abbas. we want the palestinian state to recognize israel as a jewish state. that is right, two states for two people. in fact, president abbas, i did not hear you use the phrase two states for two people this afternoon. i have never heard you say the phrase "two states for two people." palestinian leadership has never recognized israel as a state for jewish people. they have never been willing to accept what this very body recognized 65 years ago. israel is a jewish state. in fact, you recognize a palestinian state, but you refuse to recognize the jewish state. not only do not recognize it, you try to erase a jewish history. you have tried to erase the connection between the jewish people and jerusalem. you said the jews were trying to alter the historical character of jerusalem. you said that we are trying to change jerusalem. president abbas, the truth is that jerusalem had a jewish character long before other cities had character. president abbas, instead of changing history, it is time t

then we came very close, and abbas walked away. now the time has come to sit down, and neither party walk away. >> we can talk about 40 years of who is at fault. but only one number matters and that's 600,000. >> a lot of people were in gaza, and they left the -- what we need to do, sit down and negotiate. everybody knows what a resolution will look like, and the netanyahu government is committed to a two-state solution. >> i think that's a stretch. >> well, try it. let's try and test it. >> let's go to robin wright. you heard the argument. fascinating debate in many ways, what is happening now all over the world. what do you make in the way that debate just happened? >> well, you can look at the past and lament everything that's happened and complain about it. but the reality is, we have to figure our way out of this mess. the interesting thing, the balance of power shifting throughout the region and president morsi of egypt is beginning prove he actually is interested in negotiating some kind of solution. he hasn't called for a j

for mahmoud abbas in ramallah, he is really on the sidelines. he's come forth with a way, we can talk about it later, he wants to bring the issue of palestinian statehood to u.n. on november 29. that too is a false road. there really isn't a palestinian way through the gun and through hamas. >> no military solution, frankly, to this conflict by either side. some sort of political solution down the road, but again, that road map seems very far off at this point. we're hearing some distant sounds of explosions, not anywhere in central gaza city, but sounds like far off in the distance. we're going to continue to broadcast from here, also from jerusalem from the israeli side of the border and the border towns that have been hard hit over the last seven to eight days. we're also going to talk to israel's ambassador to the u.s. when we come back. 44 @4p@4 >>> we just had an air alarm, it's going off right now. we're going to get into a safer place. it literally just went off as we got in the air. get this thing unplugged. let's get inside. >> please

by mahmoud abbas to upgrade the status of the palestinian territories. to try and move towards a recognition of the palestinian territories palestine and here in gaza this has a lot of significance because the palestinian territories geographically. contiguous that we have the west bank and gaza in the west bank particularly associated with the power of mahmoud abbas and here in gaza particular associated with the. recently of course we have the two thousand and twelve dollars a year seven eight day war with the state of israel and palestinian resistance groups including the resistance willing all of us as part of this on brigades used force against the state of israel in that conflict now that is starkly different in terms of positioning with the state of israel in terms of engaging with the state of israel in comparison to mahmoud abbas is really seen. in the western world as much more moderate in comparison to present in the hard line position including the resistance against the state of israel so what we have here is a palestinian political dynamic

for mahmoud abbas in ramallah, he is really on the sidelines and we can talk about that later. he wants to bring the issue of palestinian statehood to the u.n. on november 29th. that too is a false road. there really isn't a palestinian way through the gun and through hamas. >> no military solution frankly to this conflict by either side. some sort of political solution down the road. that roadmap seems very far off. at this point, hearing distant sounds of explosions, not anywhere in central gaza city, far off in the distance. we'll continue to broadcast from here, also from jerusalem, from the israeli side of the border, border towns have been hard hit over the last seven to eight days. and we'll talk to israeli ambassador michael orrin when we come back. eóoç=Ñp >>> just had an air alarm right now. going off right now. we're going to a safer place. it literally went off as we were going on the air. come on, let's get this thing unplugged. >> please be safe. we're going to -- okay. >> air alarm going off. we are going to move to a safer area. still with me, suzanne? >>

vote daft would lead to the autonomy be granted statehood international support for mahmoud abbas bid to upgrade the palestinians from observer status to that of a non them observer state is growing despite a v.m. in opposition from israel and the united states well for more on this we can now go live to gaza and journalist kerry was the affair with harry so what exactly is at stake here. well i call this the sanity bid because at the end of the day we have in here in the middle east we have an israeli state and then we have a no on the palestinian state simply palestinian territories the palestinian people do not have rights like israelis do as a result of the status of national entity and so this is a bid by mahmoud abbas to upgrade the status of the palestinian territories. to try and move towards a recognition of the palestinian territories palestine and here in gaza this has a lot of significance because the palestinian territories geographically contiguous that we have the west bank and gaza in the west bank particularly associated with the power of mahmoud abbas and here in gaz

national entity and so this is a bid by mahmoud abbas to upgrade the status of palestinian territories. to try and move towards a recognition of the palestinian territories as palestine and here in gaza this has a lot of significance because the palestinian territories geographically noncontiguous we have the west bank and gaza in the west bank particular associated with the power of mahmoud abbas and here in gaza particular associated with the power of hamas now recently of course we've had the two thousand and twelve gaza war seven eight day war with a state of israel and palestinian resistance groups including the resistance wing of hamas as part of the ultrasound brigades used force against the state of israel in that conflict now that is starkly different in terms of positioning with the state of israel in terms in gauging with the state of israel in comparison to mahmoud abbas who is seen. in the western world as much more moderate in comparison to have mass presenting a more hardline position including armed resistance against the state of israel so what we have here is a palest

we call to mahmoud abbas for years to come and return to the table of negotiations and israel i want to. remind you that israel did everything israel could to proceed to give chance to this to this process we stopped building stopped building in some area for turn months what no government before this government and at the end of the of this. of this step of israel nothing happened palestinians didn't get back to the negotiations they did back very symbolically and it was done in two weeks and it again failed so i think that israel done everything he could to bring back this process but again we have to provide security to israel we don't want to see that the new palestinian state will become a new another terrorist base and by the way i'm sure that this security will be good not only for israel will be good also for palestinians and for all the international community to begin with call upon palestinians and mahmoud abbas to come back to this big oceans and by the way we sure that this is the cool ration. of the bus is a kind of effort to you know distract the palestinian public fro

it is an effort to try to give abbas more of a footing while hamas has been fighting with israel. >>shepard: for purposes of discussion, also symbolic, i suppose, this not now palestine, it will be the palestinian territories, right? >>guest: they will have special status in the united nations like the vatican has. but it has, there is no question --. >>shepard: the vatican and the palestinians? >>guest: it shows the international community pushing for a seven -- a sovereign state. what the united states wants is that to be a negotiating chit with recognition of a sovereign state if the following circumstances prevail. they don't want to lose that bargaining chip. >>shepard: the come is any minute. but it is done. i wondered about great britain which has indicated they could vote for this. that would be a change in course for politics there. >>guest: there has been an an -- affinity for some time in great britain. the french, too, have signaled they are likely to support that. it and a change. but it is a decremental change and the international community coalesced behind this. >>

but, also, they don't want to weaken mu mahmoud abbas. in congress you can have people who are quite angry about this move by mahmoud abbas and don't forget money is involved for the united states. i just checked, $200 million up on capitol hill in these support funds that are used for the administration of the palestinian authority. now, the state department wants those to be used. that is for administering what is considered a relatively moderate, at least in that context, government. and, so, if some in congress want to pull that money, it could weaken mahmoud abbas. why is that bad? because mahmoud abbas is much more moderate than hamas. and hamas' star has been rising after they rose up, hit israel and then there was a cease-fire. but there's still, you know, they are ascendant and mahmoud abbas is descendant. the other part of this is the peace process. you know, does it help the peace process and does it hinder the peace process and you have to say what does mahmoud abbas really want to do. he says he wants to negotiate, but does t

sonata secretary of state visit abbas himself in ramallah. he went to see him in his hotel, along with david hale along with other members. they are going to go ahead and do this. in addition to that, you have more and more governments coming out in saying that they are going to support the palestinian bid despite the arguments that you have made. i seem to demarche. i'm wondering if you don't think you presented your case strongly enough, why is mr. going to be in a very, very small minority on this vote happens and you are on the losing side. >> again, i'm not going to prejudge a vote that's going to happen tomorrow. obviously will speak to those after thibault, matt. we are in the position hasn't been all fun in terms of this notion, which has been floated around for more than a year, that it does not help the peace process, and where we ought to be focusing our energies. >> okay well, the result of the vote while the exact numbers are not certain, it is a foregone conclusion that it's going to pass, which means that a large majority of u.

can israel turn abbas once again into the legitimate negotiator for the palestinian people? >> if i have a criticism of israel over the past four years it has not done enough to strengthen abbas politically and make him the key figure and enable him to negotiate these difficult issues that remain outstanding. so coming out of this, as we've seen, there's a short-term requirement, get to a cease-fire. there is a mid-term requirement how do you prevent this from happening again. then the long-term requirement of figuring out how to get this back to an actual substantive and sustained negotiation something that the obama administration tried mightily in 2010 and failed then. >> eliot: i think you're exactly right. the secret story line may be this is a proxy battle between hamas and abbas over who leads the palestinian movement. it is not easy to see who's doing what to whom. p.j. crowley professor at george washington university. former secretary for president obama. for more on israel's options let's go to former u.s. ambassador to morocco marc ginsberg. thank you for joining

can israel turn abbas once again into the legitimate negotiator for the palestinian people? >> if i have a criticism of israel over the past four years it has not done enough to strengthen abbas politically and make him the key figure and enable him to negotiate these difficult issues that remain outstanding. so coming out of this, as we've seen, there's a short-term requirement, get to a cease-fire. requirement how do you prevent this from happening again. then the long-term requirement of figuring out how to get this back to an actual substantive and sustained negotiation, something that the obama administration tried mightily in 2010 and failed then. >> eliot: i think you're exactly right. the secret story line may be this is a proxy battle between hamas and abbas over who leads the palestinian movement. it is not easy to see who's doing what to whom. p.j. crowley professor at george washington university. former secretary for president obama. for more on israel's options let's go to former u.s. ambassador to morocco marc ginsberg. thank you for joining us. >> pleasure to

increased status for the palestinian people then what will almost certainly happen will be that mahmoud abbas is seen as even weaker a palestinian national representative and hamas will be further strengthened to the dismay of israel and the united states where washington for its part has been trying to persuade nothing would a bus to drop his un bid earlier we talked to imad mad president of the minaret of freedom institute who explained why it's so important for the u.s. that the palestinian state remains unrecognized. in my view washington is simply reflecting the position of israel or washington as far as american interests are concerned there is no real american interest per se national interest that is served by denying the recognition to the palestinians however there is a domestic political issue and that is that many of the members of congress believe that in less they stand by israel in its opposition to the recognition of the palestinian state at this time that they themselves would lose their seats so this is a matter of a domestic domestic politics for the united states rather th

nevertheless present abbas has decided to press ahead, decision we must respect. no one should be any doubt that he is a courageous man of peace. are central objective remains that of ensuring a rapid return to credible negotiations in order to secure a two-state solution. this is the guiding principle that will determine the way in which we will vote on any resolution at any time. the frustration felt by many ordinary palestinians about the lack of progress in the peace process is wholly understandable. a legal settlement activity in the west bank which we condemn threatens the very viability of the peace process and after many deck it's the palestinians still did not have the states they aspire to. that is why we have consistently asked israel to make a more decisive offer to palestinians than in the recent past and of also called on palestinians not to set the conditions for negotiations. we want to see a palestinian state and look forward to the day when its people can enjoy the same rights and dignity as those of any other nation. but for us to support a reso

we have the west bank and gaza in the west bank in particular associated with the power of mahmoud abbas and here in gaza particular associated with the power of hamas now recently of course we've had the two thousand and twelve gaza war seven eight day war with the state of israel and palestinian resistance groups including the resistance wing of hamas as part of the brigades used force against the state of israel in that armed conflict that is starkly different in terms of positioning with the state of israel in terms of engaging with the state of israel in comparison to mahmoud abbas who is seen in the western world as much more moderate in comparison to have mass presenting a more hardline position including armed resistance against the state of israel so what we have here is a palestinian political dynamic as well if the western world and indeed the u.n. does not support this increase status for the palestinian people then what will almost certainly happen will be that mahmoud abbas is seen as even weaker of a palestinian national representative and hamas will be further strengthene

she landed with tel aviv and met with benjamin netanyahu, and later she will meet with mahmoud abbas and president morsi in israel. what are you hearing about the talks with netanyahu? >> they met about two hours with netanyahu, the defense minister, foreign minister, national security team. they spent two hours, the statement released by the state department says she was briefed on the israeli position of all issues. she wants to see a deescalation of what's going on, she uses the word a calm. they are avoiding the word cease-fire for right now throughout the day, there is speculation coming from hamas and egyptian officials that they were close to a cease-fire. israelis downplaying the possibility. saying they weren't there until they actually had an agreement. no agreement, and if anything, it looks like there was an intensification of the shelling of southern israel today by hamas and an intelligence fiction of israeli attacks in gaza, witnessed by what happened to you guys what you saw over the past hour or two in gaza city. the negotiations will continue tomorrow, hillary clint

abbas has always championed the nonviolent cause, abbas haualwa been against violence. this is an achievement for the palestinians in a nonviolent way. hamas achieved something through violence. abbas is saying the nonviolent way is making great gains for us, too, an important message. >> joining me, the president of the jerusalem fund and palestine center. thanks for being with us. what is the relationship now between hamas and gaza, and the west bank on this sniissue? it is a moment of historical importance from palestinian perspective. >> in the pass hamas has not supported the palestine u.n. bid. this week they did throw their support behind it. i think that's interesting. palestinians today, more than ever before, are united under a common realization that the peace process that's been mediated by the united states has yielded nothing for palestinians. the peace process has a track record of 20 years since the madrid conference in 1991. palestinians have only seen the continued colonization of their territory with the number of israeli settlers over that 20-year pe

and abbas looks weaker and more feckless. one reason, i'm sure, secretary of state clinton is going to pay a visit to mahmoud abbas is to pay him some attention. in fact, he's been ignored, so the reality is the jihadis, including islamic jihad, understand that their boat is rising as well. the only wild card here, anderson, i think, is that the iranians may well believe that a long-term cease-fire is not in their interest, and it certainly is not beyond the stretch of imagination that tehran, in an effort to disrupt this, would continue to channel support funds and logistics to some of the smaller groups. >> yesterday we witnessed a strike on the media center, which is just about four blocks away from the location i'm in right now. we had the video of the strike, three rockets hit from different angles into that building. and local sources and israeli officials. one member of islamic jihad was killed in that strike. they say a target of several members who were in the building at the time, but we know one member was killed.

rights like israelis do as a result of the status of the national entity and so this is a bid by mahmoud abbas to upgrade the status of the palestinian territories. to try and move towards a recognition of the palestinian territories as palestine and here in gaza this has a lot of significance because the palestinian territories geographically noncontiguous we have the west bank and gaza in the west bank particular associated with the power of mahmoud abbas and here in gaza particular associated with the power of hamas now recently of course we've had the two thousand and twelve gaza war seven eight day war with a state of israel and palestinian resistance groups including the resistance wing of hamas as part of the brigades used force against the state of israel in that conflict that is starkly different in terms of positioning with the state of israel in terms of gauging where the state of israel in comparison to mahmoud abbas who is seen in the western world as much more moderate in comparison to how mass presenting a more hardline position including armed resistance against the state of is

secretary of state hillary clinton has finished a meeting with the palestinian president mahmoud abbas and she's on her way back to jerusalem and it is significant that when she met with him that meeting lasted a little less than an hour there were no statements given afterwards by comparison when she landed here yesterday and we've had the israeli prime minister there was a press conference held at the. a press conference clinton did just that did say that washington support for israel was rock solid and she's now in a way back to brief natanya who in terms of the latest talks but this briefing comes in the light of this tel aviv suicide bombing which has been confirmed to have been a terrorist attack by the israeli authorities so no doubt that briefing might take a very different way and a very different route to perhaps what continue intended in the early hours of this morning. the israeli offensive in gaza and as that second week with the by raj of missiles from seized told devastating the area more than one hundred forty people have been killed many of them civilians and according

in particular with mahmoud abbas, with the palestinian authority, with the group with israel and the united states has been trying to deal with. and as you said, trying to political isolate hamas by not recognizing them? >> reporter: well, i think this must be a nightmare for the palestinian authority and mahmoud abbas, because all the attention has been on gaza, and he has been seated at the table, obviously talking to the egyptians, to the u.s. and israel. but nonetheless, seated at the table. i think what is really interesting, if indeed, the parameters of this cease-fire include the lifting of the blockade of gaza, and easing of restrictions, trade and commerce, and travel restrictions, and by the israelis if it results in a lack of rockets coming into israel. no more rockets being fired into israel, and no more re-supply of weapons to gaza, then perhaps there is something to build on. but the fact of the matter is, it looks like hamas is a force to be reckoned with, even eight days after this war. >> and negotiations, if the cease-fire holds for the next 24 hours, negotiations a

spend all mahmoud abbas's presidency if. the states it is unsuccessful if it's on successful hamas will myself in addition and people will see nothing about his presidency i was very much weaker hamas will definitely strengthens here in the gaza strip something that israel the united states european states north american states generally speaking will be high you just made about harry thanks for being with us tonight harry fear there goes a place activist reporting on out tonight. palestinians are preparing for u.n. observer status recognition with the vote just hours away as i mentioned just now i spoke to an excel ski's press secretary for the israeli prime minister he told me that his country has never did rail the palestinian struggle for statehood. we called to mahmoud abbas for years to come and return to the table of negotiations and israel i want to. remind you that israel did everything israel could to proceed to give a chance to this to this process we stopped building stopped building in today in some area for tur

>> hamas has not listened to abbas recently. again, they declared war on fatah like against us. >> shannon: let's listen to the next leg of her trip taking her to egypt with president morsi. the leadership changed things in the region. how hopeful are you that be a neutral advocate in the process? do you think he is neutral in process? >> egypt in past played a constructive role. mediating between us and other factors in the region. we tend to focus on egyptian deeds, not egyptian words. we hope the deeds will continue to be constructive. >> shannon: at this point based on what you know and what you can share publicly, do you think are closer to cease-fire or closer to israel moving in on the ground? >> you probably have to direct that question to hamas. if hamas stops firing at us, if they agree to be the mechanism that will prevent smuggling of iranian long range missiles to gaza. if we can create a situation will they not shoot at us when they feel like it and paralyze the country, we will, we will agree to that cease-fire. u

and the future lies with hamas as opposed with mahmoud abbas? >> well, i don't think the united states is about to switch sides and start backing hamas. but it does, indeed, represent failure of the policy that was put into effect after the january 2006 elections here in the palestinian territories, where the united states with israel, with the european union, began to impose some fairly stringent restrictions on hamas, and in an attempt to isolate it. in june 2007, it's widely believed the united states sort of passively supported an attempted coup d'etat by fatah to outst hamas from power and they failed. and hamas has survived two wars with israel so to speak and survived all of the isolation, all of the sanctions and we've seen within the last eight days, senior arab foreign ministers, we've seen the turkish foreign minister come. hamas suddenly out of isolation. now in the mainstream, largely because of the changes in the arab world because of the so-called arab spring, anderson. >> fareed zachrrhea, we've scene plenty of cease fires before

>> well, i think this must be a nightmare for the palestinian authority and mahmoud abbas. because all the attention has been on hamas in gaza and meshaal has been here with a seat at the table obviously talking through the egyptians to the u.s. and to israel. nonetheless, a seat at the table. i think what's really interesting is if, indeed, the parameters of this cease-fire include a lifting of the blockade of gaza and easing of restrictions, trade and commerce, travel restrictions, and by -- for the israelis if it results in a lack of rockets coming into israel, no more rockets being fired into israel, and no more resupply of weapons to gaza, then, perhaps, there's something to build on. but the fact of the matter is that it looks like hamas is a force to be reckoned with even after this eight days or more of war. >> and negotiations, if the cease-fire holds for the next 24 hours, negotiations are to begin again for these next steps? >> yes. obviously, this is sort of a cease-fire. but there are many more things to be built on it. and the interesting thing again here, whi

then the next day she'll visit ramallah to talk to mahmoud abbas. the u.s. as you know does not speak to hamas which regards as a terrorist organization. the next day she heads to egypt to me with president morsi. the u.s. is relying on egyptians to work influence with hamas. u.s. officials make it clear they believe the only us in is on hamas to take the first steps towards a truce. >> bottom line remains that hamas has to stop the rocket fire. they're the ones who are going to have to be a part of a solution that ends the type of terror that israeli citizens have faced over so many months with this barrage of rockets coming into israeli territory. >> reporter: the same u.s. official said the president believes israel has the right to choose how it will defend itself. but also made clear, he believes there are high costs to israel with the ground invasion. the goal is a diplomatic solution. so for clinton the goal would be a temporary cease-fire creating the time to find a negotiated long-term peace agreement. that would be good for the region but also on a

and also in two thousand and seven although her mates yasser arafat and some awkward abbas for ninety nine point one percent of the lead in two thousand the camp david to. the lure of the emperor hadrian that was. pure fantasy and you know that it was the one who revealed those numbers in six thousand an interview with time magazine so while yours is out of the rhetoric which you made out of your talking away it's way just so i understand i understand i am correct atlantic that goes on understand your claim correctly mahmoud in two thousand and eight stated that a who would but uk for. ninety nine point one percent of the west bank are you seriously making that claim. yes this is this sort of us very slowly making label hapless negotiations that collapse because of operation was led well there's not much that there's not much i mean if you're making that claim with a straight talk i don't see what you're saying is you're repeating the same palestinian narrative for forty three years of israeli occupation yes i know that and. there it is. israel has to cease its occupation i think of p

she met with president abbas and tried to pressure him. let's listen to what she told reporters yesterday. >> no matter what happens at the united nations, it will not produce the outcome that this government, this president and certainly i strongly support. the only way to get a lasting solution is to commence direct negotiation. >> so israel is opposed to this and threatened sanctions against the palestinian if it goes through, threatening about $100 million a month withholding of palestinian revenue and the u.s. fears could lead to renewed violence between israelis and palestinians to lead them further away from a deal. so much so that the u.s. is threatening to withhold aid to the palestinians if this goes ahead. >> the former israeli prime minister said, quote, it lays the foundation for a two-state solution. is there a reason to believe once palestinians get u.n. recognition that they will not go back to the negotiating table with israel? >> well, that's what president abbas said he'll do after the vote. the palestinians think this w

the problem with what i think is a reckless movement by president abbas is that when morning rises on the west bank, nothing will have changed as a result of the nonmember status that they acquired in the general assembly today. the general assembly was very hostile to the state of israel so nothing changes on the ground and the only way that we will get what we want, which is a two state, two people solution, is through a negotiated process. >> palestinian authority president mahmoud abbas says it's not about delegitimizing israel, it's about legitimizing a palestinian state. isn't this what everyone wants at the end of this very complicated, rather dangerous rainbow? >> it's interesting, in president abbas' remarks he never recognized israel as a jewish sovereign state. he never recognized the willingness or talked about a two state solution. he only talked about the aspirations of the palestinian people which i understand those aspirations, but those aspirations can only be fully realized through a negotiated process. and trying to get nonmember observer status as a vehicle to seek

mates yasser arafat and some awkward abbas for ninety nine point one percent of the lead in two thousand the camp david to. the lawyer for henry and that was purely. pure fantasy. was the one who revealed those numbers in six thousand an interview with time magazine so while yours is out of the rhetoric which you made out of your talking away it's way out just so i understand i understand correctly that the goes on under stand your claim correctly mahmoud in two thousand and eight stated that a who would but uk. ninety nine point one percent of the west bank are you seriously making that claim. yes this is this sort of us very slowly making a very evil hapless negotiations that collapsed because of operation west led well there's not much that there's not much i mean if you're making that claim with a straight it's not a lot to talk about what you're saying is you're repeating the same palestinian narrative for forty three years of israeli occupation yes i know that and. there it is. israel has to cease its occupation i think of palestinians are a story to have and there is absolutely no

does it help the palestinian authority and abbas by re-establishing his credibility as an individual with whom israel can and must negotiate or is this just some continuing unfolding of jockeying that leads us nowhere in particular? >> it is a symbolic vote as you said. there is much jockeying in the u.n. general assembly. that is not where peace will be decided in the middle east. on the other hand, it is -- popular opinion around the world is slipping away. it also is a sign of confidence in abu -- in abbas because of fears that the hamas group which is much more radical and rejects recognizing israel, rejects the state of israel, may be gaining ground around the palestinians and in the region so it is important to bolster him. i think that's one reason why so many states voted for this resolution. >> eliot: i think there has been something -- i hate to use the word consensus but certainly there is a strain of thought that netanyahu has missed the strain of thought to turn abbas into a genuine partner for peace and hamas as you just said has risen in the eyes of certainly the pales

in nineteen nineteen and also in two thousand and seven on the over mates yasser arafat's of mahmoud abbas for ninety nine point one percent of the lead in two thousand the camp david to. the lure of the emperor hadrian that was. pure fantasy and you know that it was the one who revealed those numbers in six thousand interview with time magazine so while yours is out the rhetoric which you made out of your talking away it's way out just so i understand i understand i am correct atlantic that goes on there stand your claim correctly mahmoud in two thousand and eight stated who would but uk for. ninety nine point one percent of the west bank are you seriously making that claim. yes this is this sort of us very slowly making a way where hapless negotiations that collapsed because of operation was led well there's not much that there's not much i mean if you're making that claim with the straight talk islands you know what you're saying is you're repeating the same palestinian narrative for forty three years of israeli occupation yes i know that and. here it is. israel has to cease its occupat

by the palestinian president mahmoud abbas. that statement said and i quote the word watched the defamatory and venomous speech full of propaganda the ids defense bosses and the citizens of israel. someone who wants peace does not talk in such a manner. truly before the vote burned palestinian flag here in jerusalem. the u.n. vote diplomatic terrorism but in the last few days after realizing the vote was going to have overwhelming support, tried to down play its significance. israeli defense minister ehud barak in washington today meeting with leon panetta says the vote does not replace peace talks. >> i see that nothing can replace on the way to serve our -- the substance, the conflict nothing can replace the direct negotiation with no conditions. >> palestinians meanwhile celebrated the u.n. vote upgraded status to nonmember u.n. state. final tally wasn't until around midnight local time. crowds filled the streets of ramallah on the west bank. see a number of cars on the streets and palestinian flag flying. most of the demons

mates yasser arafat and some awkward abbas for ninety nine point one percent of the lead in two thousand the camp david to. the lawyer for henry and that was purely. pure fantasy and you know that it was the one who revealed those numbers since two thousand interview with time magazine so while yours is out the rhetoric which you made out of your talking away it's way out just so i understand your slam correctly that that goes on to understand your claim correctly mahmoud in two thousand they stated that who would but uk for. ninety nine point one percent of the west bank are you seriously making that claim. yes this is this sort of us very slowly making a lively hapless negotiations that collapse because of operation was led well there's not much that there's not much i mean if you're making that claim with a straight talk about what you're saying is you repeating the same palestinian narrative for forty three years of israeli occupation yes and that in their. eyes. israel has to cease its occupation i think of palestinian territory to have and there is absolutely no reason why that nar

washington for its part has been trying to persuade mahmoud abbas to drop his u.n. bit earlier we talked to him. president of the minaret of freedom institute who explained why it's so important for the u.s. to have a palestinian state remains and recognized. my view washington is simply reflecting the position of israel or washington as far as american interests are concerned there is no real american interest per se national interest that is served by denying the recognition to the palestinians however there is a domestic political issue and that is that many of the members of congress believe that in less they stand by israel in its opposition to the recognition of the palestinian state at this time that they themselves would lose their seats so this is a matter of a domestic domestic politics for the united states rather than a question of foreign policy while the u.s. support for israel and its disputes with palestine seems unflinching when it comes to other regional matters washington must learn to say no just form a statement. you're not good. decisions. more

increased status for the palestinian people then what will almost certainly happen will be that mahmoud abbas is seen as even weaker a palestinian national representative and hamas will be further strengthened to the dismay of israel and the united states. now to further discuss the implications of the palestinians pursuit of statehood let's go live to tell of even talk to get in levy he's a journalist and columnist for the israeli how that newspaper let me thank you for joining us it is widely expected that the palestinian bid will receive overwhelming support at the u.n. what's the feeling in each frail regarding this prospect. but sort of your vision is to go. into this. trying to throw the palestinian authority. trying to. downgrade the old seeing you. talk as if it is. why. you keep this look. so we're. going to do for you because most of these rallies noble troops and the jews. more or executor. so why exactly do you think israel and the u.s. are expressing such harsh opposition. basically because he does not want. to british. troops is. only well after all i mean what better option do

abbas. we told them what to do. we put the set of conditions. they met all of these set of conditions, terms of security for israel and the west bank and everything else. but then we humiliated them, ignored them. they were desperate. this is a desperate move. it's the smartest move that they can -- >> when it comes to having the palestinian people unified under fatah or hamas, there's a big structural difference there between those two sides. so without the unification of that doesn't that make it difficult to know who you're dealing with? especially israel if fatah and hamas are not on the same page? >> today, former prime minister, there's a huge debate in israel. former prime minister, israeli prime minister said publicly that he supports this bid. that this bid actually enhances a two-state eventual solution. five members of the head secret service. five former head secret service in israel, they said that we need to negotiate as israel as anybody. this is what will guarantee our security. and include hamas in this negotiation. they said it

and also in two thousand and seven although her mates yasser arafat of mahmoud abbas for ninety nine point one percent of the lad in two thousand the camp david sue and for. the lawyer for henry and that was. pure fantasy. was the one who revealed those numbers since two thousand interview with time magazine so while yours is out the rhetoric which you made out of your talking away it's way out just so i understand i understand i am correct atlantic that goes on under stand your claim correctly mahmoud in two thousand they stated that who would but uk for. ninety nine point one percent of the west bank are you seriously making that claim . yes this is this sort of us very slowly making away with hapless negotiations that collapsed because of operation west led well there's not much that there's not much to do i mean if you're making that claim with a straight talk i don't see what you're saying is you're repeating the same palestinian narrative for forty three years of israeli occupation yes i know that and. there it is. israel has to cease its occupation i think of palestinian terri

president abbas now in the evil situation of trying to outdo hamas in his own way, is threatening to use the enhanced status to pursue these initiatives. >> that was senator chuck schumer speaking last hour with a bipartisan group of senators in just two 2 1/2 hours the u.n. set to recognize palestine as a state. while israel and the united states oppose the vote the palestinians are expected to receive overwhelming support in the general assembly. in europe several countries, including france, spain, denmark, have announced they will vote to approve palestine ace nonmember state. and in a blow to u.s. and israeli opposition, germany said this morning it will abstain rather than voting no. america's closest ally the united kingdom is expected to abstain. palestinians are also receiving support from israel's former prime minister, who hold "the daily beast," quote i believe the palestinian request from the u.n. is congruent with the basic concept of the two state solution. i see no reason to oppose it. once the united nations will lay the foundations for the idea we and israel have to

in fact, for 19 years now, abbas promotes hatred and violence against jews, they promote that jews are an aids virus. they honor terrorists regularly when they die so we don't want another hamas state next to israel. we want a true civilized state, so we need to make it clear they have to show they're stopping promoting hatred and violence, they'll truly accept a jewish state. they don't have emblems like this. this is an emblem the fatah put together a year or two ago showing israel where a picture of arafat and a -- rifle. this is not an emblem of peace, so the palestinian authority is not serious about peace. they say in speech after speech, if the arabs want war against israel, we will join them. israel has to wait until ta changes before state hood can be confirmed. >> when i was in israel just few months ago and went into the palestinian territories in the west bank and i was with a bunch of children, little boys, and i asked them what they wanted to be, they said i want to fight israel, then dentist, what else their dreams might have been. does morton have a point? >> well, ther