the countries we're talking about the euro spying on, and the european union, our allies of the united states. [indiscernible] politicians from all political are shocked by the that the u.s. is spying so hard on german citizens, but also on eu institutions and eu countries. confusion in huge people are also quite angry. >> john kerry on monday echoed president obama's comments, downplaying the u.s. spying on it is notaying unusual. >> i will say every country in the world that is engaged in international affairs of national security undertakes lots of activities to protect and allonal security kinds of information contributes to that, and all i know is that is not unusual for lots of nations. >> that is secretary of state john kerry. malte spitz, did these spying revelations come as a surprise to you cap go -- you? >> not that much. the u.s. iss known .pying all over the world there are 500 million textidual communication each month. it is a huge part of espionage. i think there is no sense of [indiscernible] any longer. it is the u.s. secret agencies are spying so hard on the so- call