i would like to see russell tice, william benny, thomas drake and curt webe testify before congress under oath testify that these programs are unconstitutional and criminal, they have asked to testify and have been ignored by congress. that is exactly the debate that edward snoanld wante -- snowdend to have. that is the conversation that should take place in congress, not being involving the pfizer court, the thousands and thousands of acceptance, it's clearly a rubber-stamp court we need to change that.

and so far it hasn't worked because whatever's been done to thomas drake didn't stop bradley manning which didn't stop. edward snowden very interesting we also know that edward snowden allegedly sent out a letter to ecuador thanking them for helping him get to moscow also saying that he wanted to be free because he wants to have the ability to release documents in the future breaking the set host abby martin and sam sachs political commentator thank you so much for weighing in it's going on now to the latest u.s. that missions when it comes to the white house surveillance scandal over the weekend the german newspaper der spiegel and the guardian reported that the n.s.a. has been eavesdropping on officials in the european union by bugging their offices that's according to documents released by former n.s.a. defense contractor edward snowden and this has sparked outrage in the international community will leaders from german chancellor angela merkel to european parliament president martin schulz demanding an explanation secretary of state john kerry attempted to pacify some of the inte

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal they were both indicted under the espionage act needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations of only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen if you're in itself is control. and what people will do when they're fearful is they were they will begin to sense of themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent extraordinarily chilling message that anybody and i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and say it sends that extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hamme

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations have only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen if you're in itself is control. but what people will do when they're fearful is they were we will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody and i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and. it sends it extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you and we're going to hammer you hard because loo

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations of only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen to your in itself is control. and what people will do when they're fearful is they were be will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody i was a senior executive the government had a very high position to say it sends it extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you and we're going to hammer you hard because look what

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations of only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen if you're in itself is control. and what people will do when they're fearful is they were be will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case gets sent it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody and i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and. it sends that extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you and we're going to hammer you hard because l

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations have only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen if you're in itself is control and what people do when they're fearful as they were being will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody and i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and. it sends that extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you and we're going to hammer you hard because look

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations of only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen if you're in itself is control and what people will do when they're fearful as they were being will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it send it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody and i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and. it sends that extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you and we're going to hammer you hard because l

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal they were both indicted on the espionage act needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations of only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen to your in itself his control. and what people will do when they're fearful is they were the will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it send it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody who i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and say it sends it extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective a. in the globe needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations have only confirmed would be me and drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binny and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen if you're in itself is control and what people do when they're fearful as they were be will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and say it sends it extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you and we're going to hammer you hard because

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal they were both indicted on the espionage act needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations of only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen to your in itself is control. and what people will do when they're fearful as they were you will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody and i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and say it sends it extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you a

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations of only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen to your in itself is control. but what people will do when they're fearful is they were be will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case gets sent extraordinarily chilling message that anybody i was a senior executive the government had a very high position that. it sends that extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you and we're going to hammer you hard because look what

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations of only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen if you're in itself is control. and what people will do when they're fearful is they were be will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody and i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and i say it sends that extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you and we're going to hammer you hard becaus

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations of only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen if you're in itself is control. and what people will do when they're fearful is they were be will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and say it sends it extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you and we're going to hammer you hard because look w

drake we are state list imprisoned in powerless no the obama administration is afraid of you isn't afraid of an informed public and formed a republic demanding the constitutional government it was promised and should be so finally what are your thoughts to wrap this whole thing up about both of these men kind of being seen together in the same sentence as whistleblowers. well again i think that there are some distinctions i think some of the things that snowden has had to do have complicated is his situation because it's got drawn into a larger geopolitical concerns and raise other questions in terms of some of the other countries that he's had to deal. with the situation that he's in and some of the leaks he's chosen to make but fundamentally yes they're both performing a whistleblowing function thomas drake is a whistleblower and the obama administration unfortunately has taken an exceptionally aggressive stand against will suppliers and then also. double standards which is the other significant component of this because leaks have happened throughout about all of these security program

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations of only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen to your in itself is control. and what people will do when they're fearful is they were be will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and say it sends it extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you and we're going to hammer you hard because look wha

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations have only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen to your in itself is control and what people will do when they're fearful as they were be you will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case gets sent extraordinarily chilling message that anybody i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and say. it sends that extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you and we're going to hammer you hard because l

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations of only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen to your in itself his control. and what people will do when they're fearful is they were be will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case gets sent extraordinarily chilling message that anybody who i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and i say it sends that extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you and we're going to hammer you hard because

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal they were both indicted under the espionage act needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations of only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen if you're in itself is control. and what people will do when they're fearful as they were be will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent extraordinarily chilling message that anybody and i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and say it sends that extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer yo

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations have only. would be me and drake had been saying for years but possibly on like beanie and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen if you're in itself is control and what people will do when they're fearful as they were being will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody who i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and say it sends it extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you and we're going to hammer you hard because

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations of only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen to your in its soul his control. what people will do when they're fearful is they were be will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case gets sent extraordinarily chilling message that anybody who i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and. it sends that extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you and we're going to hammer you hard because look wh

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal they were both indicted on the espionage act needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations have only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen if you're in itself is control. and what people will do when they're fearful as they were they will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody and i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and say it sends that extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hamme

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations have only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen if you're in itself is control. and what people will do when they're fearful is they were they will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and say it sends it extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you and we're going to hammer you hard because lo

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal they were both indicted on the espionage act needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations of only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen to your in itself is control. and what people will do when they're fearful is they were you will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody and i was a senior executive the government had a very high position to say it sends that extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal they were both indicted on the espionage act needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations have only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen to your in its soul his control. and what people will do when they're fearful is they were you will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody and i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and. it sends that extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer y

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal they were both indicted on the espionage act needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations of only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen if you're in itself is control. and what people will do when they're fearful as they were be will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody and i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and say it sends that extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer yo

drake we are stateless imprisoned and powerless no the obama administration is afraid of you isn't afraid of an informed public and informed angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised and should be so finally what are your thoughts to wrap this whole thing up about both of these men kind of being seen together in the same sentence as whistleblowers. well again i think that there are some distinctions i think some of the things that snowden has had to do have complicated his his situation because it's got drawn into larger geopolitical concerns and raise other questions in terms of some of the other countries that he's had to deal with in the situation that he's in and some of the leaks he's chosen to make but fundamentally yes they're both performing a whistleblowing function thomas drake is a whistleblower and the obama administration unfortunately has taken an exceptionally aggressive stand against whistleblowers and then also. had double standards which is the other significant component of this because leaks have happened throughout about all of these securit

employees william binney and thomas drake were very close to jail time after they separately blew the whistle on the government's massive surveillance program which they saw as ineffective an illegal needless to say their careers were destroyed edward snowden's revelations of only confirmed would be drake had been saying for years but possibly unlike binney and drake snowden has also made public indisputable proof of the existence of the programs i had the chance to interview three of these men john kiriakou william binney and thomas drake they talked to me about what it's like being targeted by the u.s. government take a listen to your in itself is control. and what people will do when they're fearful is they were be will begin to censor themselves so much of what's happening now particular my case it sent it extraordinarily chilling message that anybody and i was a senior executive the government had a very high position and say it sends that extraordinarily chilling message that if you speak out if you speak up we're going to hammer you and we're going to hammer you hard because lo

drake we are stateless in prison and powerless know the obama administration is afraid of you isn't afraid of an informed public and informed angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised and should be so finally what are your thoughts to wrap this whole thing up about both of these men kind of being seen together in the same sentence as whistleblowers. well again i think that there are some distinctions i think some of the things that snowden has had to do have complicated his his situation because it's got drawn into larger geopolitical concerns and raise other questions in terms of some of the other countries that he's had to deal with in the situation that he's in and some of the leaks he's chosen to make but fundamentally yes they're both performing a whistleblowing function thomas drake is a whistle blower and the obama administration unfortunately has taken an exceptionally aggressive stand against whistleblowers and then also. had double standards which is the other significant component of this because leaks have happened throughout about all of these

he compared himself to former nsa official thomas drake and u.s. army private bradley manning in the former nsa, strake writing -- snowden added -- its legal advisers sarah harrison has submitted asylum petitions on snowden's behalf to 21 countries, including china, cuba, india, brazil, and a number of others in latin america and europe. but snowden reportedly has withdrawn his request for asylum in russia after president putin said he could only stay there if you stopped leaking information harmful to the united states. if he wants to go anywhere and someone will accept him, he is welcome if he wishes to stay here, then we have one condition. he must stop his work aimed at harming our american partners. although it sounds free strange , he positions himself as a fighter for human rights and he is not going to stop this activity so he has to choose the country for himself and go to it read when it will happen, i unfortunately do not know. if i knew, i would tell you. >> president putin also dismissed the idea russia might comply with u.s. request t

bradley manning or thomas drake. we are stateless and powerless. no the obama administration is afraid of you. it is afraid of an informed and angry republic demanding the constitutional government it was promised and it should be. what do you -- what do you think about that type of perspective that the american public should be afraid of the government? >> well, i don't think that the american public should be afraid of the government. but -- the government has a responsibility to make sure that the classified information that it has is protected and that it hires people who will protect that information. i also don't think that the government should decide who is a journalist because whether you work for the, no times, "meet the press," or you are a blogger, or you are an activist on twitter, you are a journalist that is pushing these issues. the government shun be involved. i will tell what you is really happening here, though. it is the -- proved journalists, the media in washington, who have been getting all of these leaks, and are really upse

whistle blower thomas drake. he went through every proper internal channel. some of your other guests talked about that's what a real whistle blower should do. he did. not only did that not achieve anything, but the government turned around and prosecuted him for espionage. >> and we conclude with former new york governor elliott spitzer. >> just tell me personally what was what were the events that led up to that that caused you to hire prostitutes and to risk your... and to risk the job that you had worked so hard to get? from a personal point of view that led up to that. >> i don't think i can shed light on what motivations other than to acknowledge that we have within us all drives, urges which should be tempered, controlled, modulated, held in check. that i did not. i don't know if i can or should be more specific than that. that is what led to what was obviously a violation of responsibility, oath, loyalty. many terms could apply to it. >> egypt, the n.s.a. and elliott spitzer next. >> funding for charlie rose was provided by the following. additional f

whistle blower thomas drake. he went through every proper internal channel. some of your other guests talked about that's what a real whisise blower should do. he did. not only did that not achieve anything, but the government turned around and prosecuted him for espionage. >> and we conclude with former new york governor elliott spitzer. >> just tell me personally what was what were the events that led up to that that cauaued you to hire prostitutes and to risk your... and to risk the job that you had worked so hard to get? from a personal point of view that led up to that. >> i don't think i can shed light on what motivations other than to acknowledge that we have within us all drives, urges which should be tempered, controlled, modulated, held in check. that i did not. i don't know if i can or should be more specific than that. that is what led to what was obviously a violation of responsibility, oath, loyalty. many terms could apply to it. >> egypt, the n.s.a. and elliott spitzer next. >> funding for charlie rose was provided by the following. additional

drake we are stateless imprisoned or powerless no hope for the obama administration's afraid of you it's afraid of an informed angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised and it should be guys this is not about safety it's not about terrorism this is about showing dissent and controlling society the question is how much more do we need to know before we become that angry public and demand what's owed to us. all right guys we're taking a quick break but when we come back we'll take a closer look at the demonstration that been happening in egypt what's next for president mohamed morsi stick around. she good leverage or. was even. to build a new. mission to teach me. this is why you should care only. so basically when the saudis. said that. a faith who share a culture and tradition now what you're saying is that because you are an arab because you are a muslim you for some reason have the same rights protecting the syrian people but to me it sounds just as you know condescending as the bushes claim. supposedly car responsibility here. i sunday millions of egypt

drake we are states. imprisoned or powerless no hope the obama administration's afraid of you afraid of an informed angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised and it should be guys this is not about safety it's not about terrorism this is about showing dissent and control in society the question is how much more do we need to know before we become that angry public and demand what's owed to us. all right guys we're taking a quick break but when we come back we'll take a closer look at the demonstration that been happening in egypt what's next for president mohamed morsi stick around. there's not a surprise to me that we've got problems and one time during a time of budget cuts we spend one hundred fifty million dollars each year to imprison one hundred sixty six people good morals become a symbol around the world for america to believe what. so basically when the saudis or the iraqis or the do or the turks or the called thirty's when they provide the should invest providing for t

drake we are stateless imprisoned or powerless whole the obama administration's afraid of you afraid of an informed angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised and it should be guys this is not about safety it's not about terrorism this is about showing dissent and control in society the question is how much more do we need to know before we become that angry public and demand what's owed to us. all right guys we're taking a quick break but when we come back we'll take a closer look at the demonstration that been happening in egypt what's next for president mohamed morsi stick around. looking pretty tough stuff in the field that while you won't find it here if you're looking for relevant stories unique perspectives from top class tends to start. i'm going to lead. because. going. to. get going going and . i sunday millions of egyptians took to the streets marking the largest protests in the country's history of so large in fact it's far surpassed the numbers that came out to oust mubarak during the two thousand and eleven uprising the widespread protests mark

before edward snowden it was thomas drake former senior executive and before him it was bill binney a former intelligence official but before binney the very first person to claim the title of n.s.a. whistleblower is a man you've probably heard the least about his name is russell tice and he served twenty years with the various government agencies including the n.s.a. a two thousand and five ties blew the whistle on the n.s.a. and gave an unlawful and unconstitutional surveillance of american citizens so here to tell us his story and why he thinks that snowden's leaks are just barely scratching the surface rust tice thank you so much for coming on thanks for have what did you see that made you come out and blow the whistle initially well the first thing our soul was i'm a satellite system specialist so with the things that i was doing with satellites i found out sort of inadvertently that american citizens were being spied upon by our base capabilities so that was my first sort of heads up in the what was going on and i was just shocked because n.s.a. was not supposed to do this it wa

drake case collapsed and he pled guilty to a minor misdemeanor that was essentially and in the history of penalty which is all he should have been charged with if anything in the first place so perhaps a very small ray of hope moving forward jesselyn radack national security and human rights director of the government accountability project thank you so much you well get ready for another n.s.a. bombshell over the weekend the guardian journalist glenn greenwald told the media about a revelation that could unravel the very fabric of the national security agency however this weekend's announcement was not so much of a leak as it was a threat of one if something were to happen to edward snowden and this is one that would compromise the entire future of government surveillance. in order to take documents that that prove that what he was saying was true here to take ones that included very sensitive details blueprints. of the n.s.a. does what they do and so he's in possession of literally thousands of documents that contain very specific blueprints that would allow somebody who read them to

before edward snowden it was thomas drake former senior executive and before him it was bill binney a former intelligence official but before binney the very first person to claim the title of n.s.a. whistleblower is a man you've probably heard the least about his name is russell tice and he served twenty years with the various government intelligence agencies including the n.s.a. two thousand and five ties and blew the whistle on the n.s.a. engaging in unlawful and unconstitutional surveillance of american citizens so here to tell us his story and why he thinks that snowden's leaks are just barely scratching the surface rust tice thank you so much for coming on thanks for have what did you see that made you come out and blow the whistle initially well the first thing our soul was i'm a satellite system specialist so with the things that i was doing with satellites i found out sort of inadvertently that american citizens were being spied upon by our base capabilities so that was my first sort of heads up into what was going on and i was just shocked because n.s.a. was not supposed to

drake we are states. list imprisoned are powerless. the obama administration's afraid of you afraid of an informed angry public demanding the constitutional government it was promised and it should be guys this is not about safety it's not about terrorism this is about shelling dissent and control in society the question is how much more do we need to know before we become that angry public and demand what's owed to us. all right guys we're taking a quick break but when we come back we'll take a closer look at the demonstration that happened in egypt and what's next for president mohamed morsi stick around. the mission. critical three. for three. months three. three. three. three blog video for your media project a free media dog r t v dot com. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so poorly you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. the for.

before edward snowden it was thomas drake former senior executive and before him it was bill binney a former intelligence official but before binney the very first person to claim the title of n.s.a. whistleblower is a man you've probably heard the least about his name is russell tice and he served twenty years with the various government agencies including the n.s.a. two thousand and five ties and blew the whistle on the n.s.a. engaging in unlawful and unconstitutional surveillance of american citizens so here to tell us his story and why he thinks that snowden's leaks are just barely scratching the surface rust tice thank you so much for coming on thanks for what did you see that made you come out and blow the whistle and nationally well the first thing our soul was. a satellite system specialist so with the things that i was doing with satellites i sort of inadvertently that american citizens were being spied upon by your base capabilities so that was my first sort of. heads up in the what was going on and i was just shocked because n.s.a. was not supposed to do this it was against

before edward snowden it was thomas drake former senior executive and before him it was bill binney a former intelligence official but before binney the very first person to claim the title of n.s.a. whistleblower is a man you probably heard the least about his name is russell tice and he served twenty years with in various government intelligence agencies including the n.s.a. a two thousand and five ties and blew the whistle on the n.s.a. engaging in unlawful and unconstitutional surveillance of american citizens so here to tell us his story and why he thinks that snowden's leaks are just barely scratching the surface rust tice thank you so much for coming on thanks for what did you see that made you come out and blow the whistle on nationally well the first thing our soul was. a satellite system specialist so with the things that i was doing with satellites i felt sort of inadvertently that american citizens were being spied upon by our base capabilities so that was. my first sort of heads up into what was going on and i was just shocked because n.s.a. was not supposed to do this it

drake case collapsed and he played. to a minor misdemeanor that was essentially and in a straight of penalty which is all he should have been charged with if anything in the first place so perhaps a very small ray of hope moving forward jesselyn radack national security and human rights director of the government accountability project thank you so much you well get ready for another n.s.a. bombshell over the weekend guardian journalist glenn greenwald told the media about a revolution a revelation that could unravel the very fabric of the national security agency however this weekend's announcement was not really a leak so much as the threat of one if something was to happen to edward snowden and this one would compromise the entire future of government surveillance in order to take documents that prove that what he was saying was true here to take ones that included very sensitive details blueprints. of the n.s.a. does what they do and so he's in possession of literally thousands of documents that contain very specifi

before edward snowden it was thomas drake former senior executive and before him it was bill binney a former intelligence official but before binney the very first person to claim the title of n.s.a. whistleblower is a man you've probably heard the least about his name is russell tice and he served twenty years with in various government intelligence agencies including the n.s.a. two thousand and five ties blew the whistle on the n.s.a. and gave an unlawful and i'm constitute. no surveillance of american citizens so here to tell us his story and why he thinks that snowden's leaks are just barely scratching the surface rust tice thank you so much for coming on and thanks for having me what did you see that made you come out and blow the whistle on nationally well the first thing i saw was i'm a satellite system specialist so with the things that i was doing with satellites i found out sort of an inversion layer that american citizens were being spied upon by our base capabilities so that was my first sort of heads up into what was going on and i was just shocked because n.s.a. was not

drake case collapsed and he played. guilty to a minor misdemeanor that was essentially and in the history of penalty which is all he should have been charged with if anything in the first place so perhaps a very small ray of hope moving forward jesselyn radack national security human rights director of the government accountability project thank you so much thank you. still ahead here on our team imagine a blueprint to the n.s.a. a blueprint that would allow you to was born there of surveillance or replicate it and as a leaker edward snowden says he has one that will discuss that in just a moment. the worst fear for those. white house of a. radio guy in four minutes from me. watching closely a politician says you've never seen anything like this i'm told. just so. i would rather as question the people in positions of power instead of speak on their behalf and that's why you can find my show larry king now right here on r.g.p. question more. get ready for another n.s.a. bombshell over the weekend guardian journalist glen

before edward snowden it was thomas drake former senior executive and before him it was bill binney a former intelligence official but before binney the very first person to claim the title of n.s.a. whistleblower is a man you've probably heard the least about his name is russell tice and he served twenty years with the various government intelligence agencies including and has a two thousand and five ties blew the whistle on the n.s.a. and gave an unlawful and unconstitutional surveillance of american citizens so here to tell us his story and why he thinks that snowden's leaks are just barely scratching the surface rust ties thank you so much for coming on thanks for having what did you see that made you come out and blow the whistle and nationally well the first thing our soul was. a satellite system specialist so with the things that i was doing with satellites i found out sort of inadvertently that american citizens were being spied upon by our base capabilities so that was my first sort of heads up into what was going on and i was just shocked because n.s.a. was not supposed to d

i would like to see russell tice, william benny, thomas drake and curt webe testify before congress under oath testify that these programs are unconstitutional and criminal, they have asked to testify and have been ignored by congress. that is exactly the debate that edward snoanld wante -- snowdend to have. that is the conversation that should take place in congress, not being involving the pfizer court, the thousands and thousands of acceptance, it's clearly a rubber-stamp court we need to change that. >>brown: and very briefly mr. mukasey what would you like to see happen? >> i'd like to see happen what happens in the other criminal cares, to have mr. snowden sent back here and have him stand trial. as far as congressional hearings all this material was gathered pursuant to statutes, at the direction of the executive so all three branches of the government were involved in it. >>brown: michael mukasey and daniel ellsberg, thank you all ve. very much. >> ifill: if you wonder what happened to others charged with espionage over the years, our website profiles 11 other notorious leakers. a