and if that norm unravels, then -- other norms and probies start unraveling. and that makes for a more dangerous world, and that then requires even more difficult choices and more difficult responses many the future. over 1400 people were gassed. over 400 of them were children. this is not something that we have -- that we are using an excuse for military action as i said last night. i was elected to end wars not start them. i have spent the last 4 1/2 years to reduce our alliance on military power. as a means of meeting our international obligations and protecting the american people. what i also know is we will have to make hard choices if we are going to stand up to what -- if we end up using the u. n. security council not as a means of enforcing international norms and international law, but rather as a barrier to acting on international norms and law, then i think people will be pretty skeptical about the system. and whether it can work to protect those children. sometimes the further we get from the horrors of that, the easier it is to rationalize not ma