jirga, in the loya jirga behind me. he said that even in this bilateral agreement - the security pact with americans is given the approval of the jirga, and after that is given the approval by the parliament. it will not be signed until after the presidential election which are scheduled to be held in april next year. that caused a bit of confusion for a few hours after the speech, where people weren't getting clarity and whether he said or meant it, it's likely to come as a surprise to the americans that this security agreement could be signed as long as four or five months after they hoped it would be. so he is asking or told al jazeera that in the bilateral agreement it states that the americans must bring peace to afghanistan. he wants to elongate that up until the elections. he wants to see american forces bring peace here, it's likely to be a worded message, telling the americans to be tougher on pakistan in terms of the accusations there, of pakistan giving the taliban safe haifens and funding and training from a

if the loya jirga agrees to a deal it will allow u.s. troops to remain in afghanistan behind 2014 deadline. they have rejected calls to sign an agreement before the end of the year. >> this is the last day for the delegates at the loya jirga to debate the security pact. as of tomorrow they are expected to give findings to their president hamid karzai, saying whether or not they support it or want changes or, of course they reject it. hamid karzai is involved in a row between kabul and washington d.c. about when he would sign this if the jirga and parliament approve it. he said he will not sign until after presidential elections. the u.s. are pushing for it to be signed by the end of this year. u.s. secretary of statery of defense released a statement saying he would not advise president obama to make a commitment post 2014 until an agreement is signed. afghan president hamid karzai released a statement accusing u.s. forces of raiding two houses in nangahar province, killing two innocent civilians. he said this gets to the heart of the bi

the loya jirga hall is meant to host 2,500 representatives from around afghanistan later next week, who will come to discuss the future of u.s. troops in the country. >> there has been a heavy security presence here for weeks. thousands of security forces have been deployed on to kabul's streets, trying to stop this happening next week. >> loya jirga hall gathers community leaders. it's an afghan way of making a decision. in this case about whether u.s. forces should stay after their deadline for withdrawal next year. those responsible for this bombing prefer to use their voice in a more direct, violent way. >> a bilateral security agreement was hammered out in cappual during a visit by -- kabul during a visit by secretary of state john kerry, but a final agreement is in the hands of the elders. >> the u.s. is in talks with libya to train 7,000 security force, according to the head of u.s. special operations demand, admiral william mc-craven. it could help armed groups fighting for control. violence continued on saturday when libyan soldiers stormed a militia base killing four. a day af

he also told the loya jirga assembly on sunday, the u.s. needs to do more to stop raids on afghan homes. >> while we are ready to give basis for americans on our soil, we have a condition concerning security. security from today onwards, me meaning from now on american forces are banned from launching operations on afghan houses. >>reporter: >> for months, the u.s. and afghanistan have gone back and forth over the terms of u.s. military presence in the country after nato's pull-out in 2014. talks have focused on u.s. procedures for training and mentoring the national army for a final handover. afghanistan is still a dangerous place. just this week, a roadside bomb killed two children in the south and six policemen were found dead after being abducted by the taliban. the pentagon says more than $8,000,000,000 in assistance is in jeopardy if an agreement is not signed soon. >> joining us now to discuss the latest twist in the afghanistan story are ali akmed alagi, the interior minister from 2003 to 2005. david sedny, former deputy assistant m

jirga tomorrow. >> reporter: the loya jirga is a council of afghan elders and until the agreement is approved by them and the afghan parliament it's not a done deal. u.s. officials say there are two potential sticking points. one is president karzai's insistence american troops should never search or attack afghan homes. operations which in the past have resulted in the deaths of afghan civilians. but the u.s. wants the right to send in its own troops, for instance, to rescue a captured american soldier. for that, karzai wants a letter from president obama expressing regret for past civilian casualties and promising u.s. soldiers will only enter afghan homes under extraordinary circumstances. the second issue is immunity for u.s. troops from prosecution under afghan law. without it, the u.s. will pull all its troops out. but president karzai said last month he didn't even discuss immunity with kerry during their marathon negotiating sessions and would leave the entire issue up to the loya jirga. the agreement says nothing about how many american troops would remain in afghanistan aft

jirga. they'll accept or reject a security pact. u.s. forces that remain after next year will receive immunity from afghan courts - that was a key point. also - american forces will not target afghanistan civilians, including in their home. afghanistan will fund the forces. secretary of state john kerry clarified a key part of the deal. >> it is entirely train, equip and desist. there's no combat role for the american forces. the bilateral agreement is an effort to clarify for afghan and united states military force, exactly what the rules are with respect to the ongoing relationship. >> for many afghans the proposed security pact is having all the troops out. jane ferguson reports from kandahar. >> his family was murdered by an american soldier. this man lost his wife, brother, cousin and niece in kandahar province. killed by u.s. army staff sergeant robert bales. he now wants you will u.s. soldiers out of his country. >> translation: they will not get military bases. they killed our people

the loya jirga are talking over the agreement between the u.s. and afghan go. . if approved 15,000 troops will stay in afghanistan for 11 more years. as rosalind jordan reports, the go ahead from the elders does not mean a signature from afghanistan's president. >> the barack obama's nomination breathed a sigh of relief that the loya jirga was getting a first look at the draft bilateral security agreement. any reassurance that this is under review was undercut by comments made by hamid karzai on thursday. the concern - will the agreement be signed in time for the u.s. to move combat forces out of afghanistan and deploy another team in its place. america is concerned it won't have time to carry out the transition because it involves tens of thousands of troops, and support personnel. they want to make sure they have time to work out the lijistics and relations with the afghan military so it's a seamless transition. if hamid karzai gets his way, and the deal is not signed into law and enacted in afghanistan until the middle of 2014, the u.s. feels that creates a va

and i you know i doubt we're going to see approval in the loya jirga without some concessions by the united states probably knowledge but that the night raids policy was a mistaken policy it certainly was one that was never supported or indorse by the government of afghanistan it was carried out over the opposition of the government of afghanistan and that was a violation of their sovereignty but thank you so much for thank you so much for weighing in scott horton the contributing editor at harper's magazine great to be with you to syria now where hundreds of thousands of christians have fled the country since the beginning of the civil war there one to two thousand christians are believed to have been murdered in the violence perhaps one of the hardest hit areas is the historic town of ma lula that's non-science villages on the unesco list of proposed world heritage sites it is one of the last known places where western aramaic which is the language of jesus is still spoken the town has been attacked on numerous occasions since the war began and many have chosen to flee however syri

the loya jirga will debate through sunday. its decisions are not legally binding, but, either way, the afghan parliament would still have to ratify the agreement. to help us understand this back around forth and the need for a deal is james dobbins, he is the obama administration's special representative to afghanistan and pakistan. ambassador dobbins, welcome to the newshour. >> thank you. >> so what is the timetable for this deal? president karzai is saying it wouldn't be signed until april. the administration wanted it done last month. which is it? >> well, the two sides agreed last november that we would do this within a year and we continue to believe it's important to achieve that timetable. we're pleased that we were able to reach agreement within that time frame on the text and we're hopeful that the loya jirga will give a positive signal. we're pretty confident that the afghan parliament will also review this and it will be positive and we do expect that it will be signed expeditiously thereafter. we think that's impo

. >> we have agreed on language that would be submitted to the loya jirga, but they have to pass it. i think it is inappropriate for me to comment at all on any of the details. it is up to the people of afghanistan. >> john kerry there. for more on the agenda of that important meeting of afghan elders, this report from kabul. >> the delegates gathering for the grand afghan council, the becominga, are restless as they are waiting to see the terms of the deal. it is not just about the presence of u.s. troops. billions of dollars of aid and the presence of nato forces hang on the deal. president karzai has driven negotiations belong -- beyond the 11th hour, insisting the deal should future u.s. raids on afghan homes. optimists among the delegates believe the deal will be signed. >> the only thing which gives me high confidence and hope that this is not going to be a jirgae jurga, bur a bonding of the nations together, is that the stakes are high for both nations. abandoning a country strategically located as afghanistan, it will be committing the mistakes of the previous powers. >> ther

the loya jirga gather community leaders, an afghanistan way of making a decision about whether u.s. forces should stay after their deadline for withdrawal next year. those responsible for the bombing prefer to use their voice in a direct, violent way. >> soldiers in libya stormed a militia base sparking fighting that killed four. that was as thousands gathered in the protest and many were killed by protesters yesterday. sebastian walker reports from tripoli. >> this is how a militia group responded to a protest demanding fighters get out of the city. demonstrators were attacked as they marched to the headquarters of the misrata brigade - one of libya's many militia groups. >> translation: these are the conditions of war, not a peaceful protest. and this is the result - blood. >> fighting broke out among different armed groups. and by the end of the confrontation, more than 30 people had been killed. >> i saw scenes of chaos at the hospital - both in front of the hospital, with lots of militia and armed men trying to divert traffic, and the same scene was reflected inside the hospita

the afghan leader wants the deal on the table agreed to by the loya jirga, but he doesn't want to sign it. how is that going over the white house? >> he doesn't want to sign it. he wants to wait for elections next year, next airline in afghanistan. the white house, u.s. administration, the military, all say no way. that is a bad idea. you're right, president obama had written a letter to m hamid karzai, his counterpart in afghanistan, and president obama tried to follow through on the promise to end combat operations in afghanistan. now america's longest war. he wants to end those combat operations by the end of next year. to do it they have to have a basic security agreement. they call it a bsa. where will u.s. forces remain in afghanistan? what will their duties be? what kind of constraints are they going to be operating under, and how many rules and how many troops are going to be left? all this, the president said, in a letter to karzai, has been agreed. car guy says, not so fast. i'm not going to sign it. leave it for the next president. bad idea said the president, the white hous

air force lieutenant colonel karen could tell she says there's one key part of the deal the loya jirga council will never agree to i think that they won't approve it as written number one and i also don't think the parliament which also must approve the deal will approve it as written and of course remember from iraq that was the sticking point in iraq was jurisdiction over abuses in criminal acts conducted by american soldiers in the country itself so that's a huge problem it's a it's a sovereignty it's a clear sovereignty issue and it does galvanize people so i don't believe that the loya jirga or the parliament later will approve that aspect. live here in moscow with the twenty four hours a day still to come this hour our first steps to freedom some of the bailed greenfields activists are reunited with their loved ones on the destiny for the rest of the optic thirty gangs still hangs in the balance our special report on the oil platform storm in cases just ahead for me. but first the states are on their way to launching their own drone program that's after leading members of the blo

air force lieutenant colonel karen cattell skin she says the one key part of the deal the loya jirga council will never agree to. i think that they won't approve it as written number one and i also don't think the parliament which also must approve the deal will approve it as written and of course remember from iraq that was the sticking point in iraq jurisdiction over abuses in criminal acts conducted by american soldiers in the country itself so that's a huge problem it's a it's a sovereignty it's a clear sovereignty issue and it does galvanize people so i don't believe that the loya jirga or the parliament later will approve that aspect of the life here in moscow within twenty four hours a day coming up this hour first steps to freedom some of the failed greenpeace activists so you reunited with their loved ones while the destiny for the rest of the optics. still hangs in the balance a special report on the oil platform storming case just ahead. the first e.u. states are on their way to launching the drone program that's off the leading members of the bloc signed an agreement to i

loya jirga hall gather community leaders. it's an afghan way of making a major decision. in this case about whether u.s. forces should stay after their deadline for withdrawal next year. those responsible for this bombing prefer to use their voice in a more direct violent way. >> meanwhile the u.s. is in talks with libya to train up to 7,000 security forces. according to "the wall street journal" the head of command, admiral william mcraven said there was promise and risk. it was a violent day in tripoli after libyan soldiers stormed a militia base killing four people. >> now to the philippines. craig leeson is standing by in cebu. are you with us this morning? >> yes, i'm standing here at the philippine airbase in cebu. we are watching all day the refugees from this disaster streaming in, and further afeed gaahn on the east coast, some of the u.s. navy personnel flying helicopters into that area have been evacuating people from the islands into geahn and taking relief aid into there. the problem has been, particularly for the government, where to put the people when they

i was under pressure not to organise the loya jirga. when it comes to issues of national significance it is important to hold the jirgas. >> up to 15,000 troops could remain in the region if the security pact is signed, including 8,000-12,000 american troops. >> it is entirely train, equip and assist - there is no combat role for the united states force, and the bilateral security agreement is an effort to clarify for afghans and for united states military forces exactly what the rules are with respect to that ongoing relationship. >> here are the terms of the deal - u.s. forces that remain after next year receive immunity from afghan courts. that was a contentious issues. the proposal says the u.s. will respect afghan's sovereignty and integrity, but forbids american forces targetting afghan civilians, especially in their homes. many afghans oppose the deal, saying they want all foreign troops out. jane ferguson reports. >> his family was murdered by an american soldier. last march this man lost his wife, brother, cousin and niece in k

if the group known as the loya jirga agrees to a deal to allow the u.s. troops to stay within afghanistan beyond the 2014 deadline. >> today was the final day for delegates at the jirga to study and debate this bilateral agreement. they're expected to give it publicly to the government of afghanistan. they have told al jazeera that we're likely to see tomorrow, the addition of one line, one clause to the security agreement stipulating that american soldiers must not enter afghan homes, arrest afghans or told afghans in detention centers of their own. now it has been a political topic over the last few days being debated, and it was addressed by barack obama in a letter to karzai which was handed out to jirga members. they may want to have that inside the security agreement. but beyond the jirga hall and debates, debate had a continued. as delegates were leaving the head of the jirga was extremely angry in response to news recently that afghan president hamid karzai said he would not sign this agreement until after elections next year, if he signs it at al

loya jirga holl gathered leaders, an afghan way of making a decision. in this case about whether u.s. forces should stay after their deadline for withdrawal next year. >> those responsible for the bombing prefer to use their voice in a direct violent way. >> libyan soldiers stormed militia, sparking fighting that killed four, as thousands gathered in tripoli no mourn 43 protestors killed by militia yesterday. the prime minister ali zeidan demanded the fighters leave the capital, which they refused to do. sebastian walker has more from tripoli. >> this is how a militia group in tripoli responded to a protest demanding its fighters get out of the city. the demonstrators were attacked as they marched towards the hours of the misrata brigade. one of libya's many militia groups. >> these are the conditions of war, not a peaceful protest. this is the result - blood. >> fighting broke out among different armed groups. and by the end of the confrontation more than 30 people had been kill. >> i saw scenes of chaos at the hospital - both in front of the hospital

by delaying you allows him to appear not to be a sell out. >> the jirga was not a loya jirga. it has thousands of years of history. this was a consultative jerka. that means he picked up every member of that jirga. people were not elected by their own constitwainses. they were picked up very cable. it was not a representative jirga from the afghan point of view. the second part, he is not in a hurry. he has to do it. he said many things before. but he is has gone over his word. you know, it is quite likely that, you know, enough is enough. he signed everything. he brought, you know, this consultative jirga and they said to him to go ahead and what's the problem, you know? this security agreement. is it likely peace can be achieved that soon. you have u.s. spaces long-term in afghanistan. >> exactly. before the americans and before karzi went to this project, they should have brought the armed opposition into it. there should have been peace before they greed on all of these basis. they haven't paid attention to the taliban. they brought them to doha, put them in a bungalow and

. >> the president's speech opening the loya jirga was long awaited and anticipated. no one was sure how he would sell the various points. but no one, was expecting that he would make a surprise announcement, saying that he may not sign ill until well into 2014. leaving this loya jirga aware that whether or not they agree to support the agreement, it is unlikely to become law for some time yet. >> at the end of the day, delicates from the jirga were still discussing his speech, some were cynical of his intentions, refusing to sign the packet before 2014, would continue to give him power over the elections. >> he letly understand this issue, but he doesn't have other chances to put this responsibility, at least old would keep it until the election, and the days of the conclusion of the election, and the result of the election. >> why do you think this is doing this? >> because it i caczar. he knows the election, is very crucial. karzai has read out a letter, guaranteeing they would only search afghan houses in exceptional houses. it has a psychological impact, that the

jirga. u.s. hasn accord, the said it will pull out all its troops by the end of 2014. pact is notecurity signed, afghanistan will face the same crisis it faced 12 years ago. there will be a civil war and misery again in the country. the bilateral security deal is opposed by many afghans. jalalabad, thousands of students turned out to protest. do note participating represent us, and we do not accept their decision. we have knowledgeable representatives here who make good decisions. votes in favoril of the pack, it will need approval from both houses of the afghan parliament and the president's signature before it can be ratified. >> in paris, and a court is hearing the appeal of former french humanitarian workers attempting to illegally take children out of chad for adoption. that sparked an angry protest that left six members of that nonprofit roup -- group to be convicted and jailed. their appeal is expected to be upheld today. >> they did not attend their trial, but for the appeal they are

jirga agrees, and the parliament approves it, then it comes to the implementation stages - we should take them into account, in preliminary stages in order to ensure security and peace in afghanistan and transparency of elections in the country. i am very happy to see a few great elders have taken into consideration the two key issues of security and peace, but when can we have peace and when can we have security? after your approval today, we can have security now or in 10 years or 15 years, but we need security today - just today. in the sense that starting from today when we express our friendship with the united states, giving basis to afghanistan to the united states or any other country is not just an easy decision. it's not a free thing, it's a hard decision. we cannot digest it very easily. but this is a necessity. we are doing this out of necessity and the problems that we have had over the last 30 years, and all the conspiracy that we've had over the last 30 years. security is our first condition, and starting from today, in the sense that the united states is starting from

at the loya jirga meeting president hamid karzai said he wanted the deal signed after elections. the u.s. want it completed by the end of next year. it sets out rules over jurisdiction and power of troops that will remain in the county, we'll get more from jane ferguson. the u.s. said it's not practical or possible to delay signing the deal. clearly comments took everyone by surprise. >> they did. they have been described by journalists reporting the story as a bombshell for afghans as well as those in washington. it's likely those stateside woke up to unwelcome news, something they were not planning for. they hoped the jirga and the parliament would approve the task. and then it would be a complication, a small matter of having it signed by hamid karzai. now we have two administrations with two different view points. the u.s. are saying it needs to be signed by the end of the year and hamid karzai saying it won't be signed at all before april. that will overshadow these negotiations at the jirga, which was meant to be about the draft. not about when it would be signed, but the i

afghanistan's loya jirga co convened in kabul again. they're considering a deal that allows the u.s. to stay in their country until 2024. >>> the at this hour kish ambassador to egypt has been expelled by cairo. a spokesman said the turkish government has been working to undermine egypt's interim government. turkish president responded by saying, i hope our relations will get back on track. >>> it's been two weeks since typhoon haiyan swept through the philippines where the number of casualties has now reached more than 5200. countless families have been torn apart and millions of children have lost their parents. we have reports from tacloban. >> reporter: it is rare to see caesar smiling these days. the seven-year-old says he misses his families. his parents and siblings died when their house was swept away to sea. he swam for hours until he was rescued. he is now an orphan. his grandmother is unconsolible. >> it is hard. painful. i should have died out there, not my grandchildren. not them. they had their whole lives ahead of them. >

. >>> afghanistan's loya jirga or tribal council continue to deliberate it's future. >> reporter: today was the final day for delegates at the jirga to study and debate this bilateral security agreement. tomorrow they're expected to give their opinion on it publicly to the president of afghanistan. now, senior source from the government involved in the jirga has told al jazeera is that we're likely to see the edition of one line or one clause to this security agreement stipulating that american soldiers must not enter of a damage homes, arrest afghans or hold afghans in detention centers of their own in afghanistan. now entering afghan homes has ban very political topic over the la few days being debated. and it was addressed by barack obama in a letter to karzai, which was handed out to jirga members. they are now saying they may want to have that inside the security agreement. but beyond the jirga hall itself, the political crisis has ton about this security agreement as delegates are leaving after their day of debate today the head of the jirga was extremely anger in response to news

we have agreed to language to be submitted to a loya jirga and they have to pass it. >> ifill: the loya jirga, or gathering of afghan elders, opens tomorrow in kabul. joseph paul franklin, a serial killer who targeted blacks and jews in the late 1970s, has been put to death in missouri. he was executed by lethal injection this morning. in addition to the murders, franklin admitted shooting civil rights leader vernon jordan, who survived the attack and "hustler" magazine publisher larry flynt, who was paralyzed from the waist down. florida congressman trey radel pleaded guilty today to misdemeanor cocaine possession. he was given one year's probation. the republican freshman left a washington courthouse without speaking to reporters. he gave no indication of whether he'll stay in office. last night, radel said he's seeking treatment for alcoholism. wall street pulled back today. the dow jones industrial average lost 66 points to close at 15,900. the nasdaq fell ten points to close at 3,921. >> ifill: still ahead on the "newshour": the new push to curb iran's nukes; debating what to do ab

the loya jirga, a gathering of afghan representatives was in favour of the security pact with the u.s., wanting it signed. that was in relation to president hamid karzai's announcement that he would not sign until april. sunday he stuck to his position that he needed more time to get a better deal from washington. that didn't satisfy the head of the jirga, the drama playing out on tv. >> translation: i want to repeat again - americans cannot go into our houses after the bilateral document. they cannot kill anyone in their house. the afghan people will be safe, peace will come. it will not be a case of americans sitting in their place and we'll have a war. i don't accept that. this decision is historical. >> translation: whatever the president is saying is right. americans do not have any right to enter afghan houses. they have given us that in writing and promised. a superpower cannot break their promise. if they do we are ready to protest. >> translation: sir, no protests. termina terminating the bilateral, they have to promise they are not killing afghans in their houses. they have

jirga or the parliament later will approve that that aspect. will be up the first steps to freedom some of the pale green peace activists are reunited with their loved ones while the destiny for the rest of the arctic thirty gallon still hangs in the balance a special report on the oil platform stalled in case is just ahead. ukraine has decided to hold preparations for a trade agreement with the e.u. it comes after the country's parliament rejected a bill which would have allowed to jailed former prime minister yulia timoshenko to receive medical treatment abroad ortiz in the us she has more on the tricky relations between kiev and brussels. the main condition is said by brussels that is letting the former prime minister walk free from prison or at least be sent for medical treatment to germany she is suffering from severe back problems has not fully been fulfilled but whether or not this association deal will be signed it would not be relevant to the gas deals and gas agreements that ukraine already has with several european and american oil a

it's called the loya jirga. basically, a public assembly. and for centuries, it's how afghans have been settling their disputes. and the delegates will be voting on a document that spells out the relationship between america and afghanistan. some of the highlights include nine american bases still here in afghanistan. full freedom to move american troops in and out of the country. and one of the more controversial points, full immunity for soldiers. in other words, when they commit something wrong, they cannot be prosecuted under afghan law. since this war began, more than 2,000 american soldiers have given their lives. so many historic moments. few would have seen that the most important mission would come not on the battlefield, but in a public tent where afghans will be voting. that vote is expected on sunday. john and diana? >> thank you. >>> there are urgent, behind-the-scenes negotiations to free an elderly american tourist now being held by north korea. merrill newman is an 85-year-old korean war veteran and a grandfather. he was wrap

jirga or afghanistan's grand assembly however just today as i said that he would the latest signing the agreement until after the presidential elections on april twenty fourth team and that these negotiations and one point of contention has been the number of criminal incidents which afghan civilians have been executed via night.

immune to afghan law the loya jirga the council of elders has approved a controversial security treaty with the u.s. and though the body has no legal way it has much influence over decisions taken in the country washington is pushing for a quick deal but the afghan president says any greenman should be signed by his successor after next year's election which if the deal is sealed up to sixteen thousand u.s. soldiers will stay for ten more years and possibly beyond they will be playing a support role for the afghan forces while still being able to carry out military operations against al qaeda and its affiliates which also include raiding afghan homes and the exceptional circumstances an issue which has been extremely difficult for afghans here is another stumbling block the deal gives american forces immunity to afghan law placing them solely under u.s. military jurisdiction say some very controversial points there leaving president karzai with a tough balancing act karzai is worried of course that he owes his existence to the presence of the american forces that have kept him in power

legal jurisdiction today the document is being considered by the loya jirga a three thousand member council of afghan elders have come to kabul from all corners of the nation the size of the remaining american contingent is also a sticking point that needs to be agreed on and daoud sultanzoy is a candidate in the upcoming afghan presidential election and he says the current government has not considered the will of the people i think the afghan president is trying to use this as a personal game the people of afghanistan. and of others who are involved in this country we're tired of or we're tired of bickering and we're also tired of. being playing politics with the lives of people of afghanistan on one hand the president wants to portray himself as a patriot on the other hand he's not able to even take care of corruption rule breaking the rule of law and good governance that's what the people are suffering from he's trying to distract the people of afghanistan from what he hasn't been able to do to for this country the issue of legal immunity for american troops has long been sensitive for

jirga or the parliament later will approve that aspect. without an accord the u.s. says it will pull out all its troops do afghan security forces have the capability to maintain stability in the country. well not not the kind of stability that the united states would want certainly no. part of the cause of the instability in that country is that it is partially occupied by american troops in has been in a state of war for twelve years. this is. the stability that the united states would want it cars i would learn that certain beneficiaries of american money and american politics in afghanistan would want that stability will be gone however a new balance will be found power will assert itself and if that's taliban it may be the game but. it are the kind of stability it preferred by us yet that will be gone much as we've seen in iraq. and what kind of reaction could receive from the time to buy into this agreement. i'm sure that to taliban opposes this. this agreement because they don't want to merican troops there and the thing to remember

jirga or afghanistan's grand assembly however just today cars i said that he would delay signing the agreement until after the presidential elections on april twenty fourth team and with these negotiations one point of contention has been the number of criminal incidents which afghan civilians have been executed via night raids or drone strikes that kerry said an apology on behalf of the us for these instances is off the table if the security agreement is approved it will cement the notion that the war in afghanistan is far from over and it will extend well beyond the twenty fourteen deadline or bridge loans that by obama and of course the u.s. has also promised to continue funding the afghan security forces so it's been a lot of dead for years and no clear goal of why the u.s. is so keen on staying in afghanistan i'll break it all down i'm joined by ray mcgovern former cia analyst thank you so much for coming on ray welcome thank you so. what do you think the outcome of the security agreement is going to be and why do you think hammad karzai is kind of stretching it beyond the. pres

jirga or afghanistan's grand assembly however just today cars i said that he would delay a signing the agreement until after the presidential elections on april twenty fourth team with these negotiations and one point of contention has been the number of criminal incidents which afghan civilians have been executed via night raids or drone strikes that kerry said an apology on behalf of the us for these instances is off the table if the security agreement is approved it will cement the notion that the war in afghanistan is far from over and it will extend well beyond the twenty fourteen deadline or bridge loans that by obama of course the u.s. has also promised to continue funding the afghan security forces so a bin laden dead for years and no clear goal of why the u.s. is so keen on staying in afghanistan i'll break it all down i'm joined by ray mcgovern former cia analyst thank you so much for coming on right welcome thank you so. what do you think the outcome of the security agreement is going to be and why do you think hammad karzai is kind of stretching it beyond the. presidential

jirga or afghanistan's grand assembly however just today cars i said that he would delay signing the agreement until after the presidential elections in april twenty fourth team and with these negotiations one point of contention has been the number of criminal incidents which afghan civilians have been executed via night raids or drone strikes that kerry said an apology on behalf of the us for these instances is off the table if the security agreement is approved it will cement the notion that the war in afghanistan is far from over and it will extend well beyond the twenty fourteen deadline or bridgeman set by obama of course the u.s. has also promised to continue funding afghan security forces so if bin ladin dead for years and no clear goal of why the u.s. is so keen on staying in afghanistan i'll break it all down i'm joined by ray mcgovern former cia analyst thank you so much for coming in right welcome so ray what do you think the outcome of the security agreement is going to be and why do you think hammad karzai is kind of stretching it beyond the presidential elections well

-hey just had a loya jirga in the american people have been given 12 years and all you have to do is go to walter reed, and you say why are we here? heart-wrenchingghanistan. touching stories. i would also like to ask you out the situation that we learned about todaythat john kerry is going to discuss negotiations on a deal with iran. and do you think it's the right one? >> first of all, it would be satisfied with anything, even if it is a bad deal they have been having secret negotiations in those negotiations have been producing an agreement with the french and israelis and others were not aware of. and john kerry is kd of a show dog out there and there is a lot of kabuki going on. and if they come out with an agreement over the next three or four days, i can assure you that it's not a good agreement. the saudi's and the jordanians and the egtians and israelis are going to be very dissatisfied wh us. and i thk it's going to force them, the israelis to take action and strike the nuclear sites in iran. and it will deter them as we did during the cold war. that's a nonstarter. >> how

jirga and then by the parliament very very interesting indeed now the major reason that afghans want american troops to stick around is to continue to train their ass can chose so that they can protect themselves against the talabani but on the other hand cars eyes government has been reaching out to the taliban for talks so one signing this agreement make talks with the taliban more difficult in the end i don't think i don't think the agreement necessarily with i mean i think the whether there is in the end of the day a reconciliation with the taleban the afghan government is still going to need the training facility i think what we're seeing though in any event is a sunset. u.s. military operations on the ground in afghanistan and that finally can you touch a little bit more on those night raids that you were just speaking about what kind of agreement could be resolved here in the senate and this lawyer greg. well i think there is strong resentment about it fact i would expect this to be an issue that's raised and discussed openly in the loya jirgah in fact it's tribal elders and m

part of karzai to show that the people are with them or at least he's hoping i don't think that the loya jirga jirga or the parliament is going to be very happy with the lack of immunity you know the immunity of the american soldiers they're not going to like that much in the way that iraq did not like that in fact that was the cause of our troops leaving on time as it were from iraq so as a u.s. military air force veteran how important is an unity for troops well from an american perspective it's incredibly important ok we mistakes happen and the things that the habit of war the habit of urban warfare in particular the use of drones this is not something that it's a can of worms really we don't want our people exposed we work very hard and have for decades to protect our people from when they're deployed around the world to protect them from the legal systems in the country in which they're deployed this is a habit on our on the on the american side it is to protect our troops and it is to protect our political leaders as well. but from the perspective of the afghans or any any other co

-hey just had a loya jirga in the american people have been given 12 yrs and allyou have to dois go to walter reed, and you say why are we here? why are we in afghanistan. >> so many heart-wrenching touching stories. i would al like to ask you about the situation that we learned about today that john kerry is going to discuss negotiations on a deal with iran. and do you think it's the right one? >> first of all, it would be satisfied with anything, even if it is abad deal they have been having secret negotiations in those negotiations have been producing an agreement with the french and israelis and others were not aware of. and john kerry is kind of a show dog out there and there is a lot of kabuki goi on. and if they come out with an agreement overhe next three or four days, i can assure you that it's not a good agreement. the saudi's ane jordanians and the egyptians and israel are going to be very dissatisfied with us. d i think it's going to force them, theisraelis to take action and strike the nuclear sites in iran. and it will deter them as we did during the cold war. that's a nn

for months now, the bsa wanted to put it in front of a loya jirga. not one individual was against the bsa. the majority requested it be signed quickly. all things pointed to then being the last hurdle for president karzai. right now, he knows the leasing those 17 from guantÁnamo would require congress's approval here in washington, and a whole lot of other political issues that he knows will not be addressed quickly. it is difficult to say with certainty where his thinking on this is. one thing we know is that at this point in his career he is concerned with his legacy and he does have some concern that if he signs this agreement and there is not a drastic improvement to the situation through the peace talks or security at large in afghanistan, history will blame him for it. he said that publicly. we know that this is one of the big factors he is thinking of. what will his legacy be? that is a large part of his reluctance to sign. host: knoxville, tennessee. democrat line. caller: i want to ask a question that i kind of already know the answer to. w

the loya jirga will take place in kabul to debate the future of such bases in the county. people like this shopkeeper in the city want them gone. >> translation: thanks to god we are muslims. the americans - everyone knows who they are. no islamic country wants to give a place for infidels - especially afghans and pash tunes don't want to give them bases. >> several representatives traving to the jirga should reject agreement. some have little faith in those going to the capital. >> translation: these elders have not consulted people. they didn't talk about the issues. ordinary people are not aware of it. >> most of the kandaharis we spoke to want foreign forces out of the afghanistan. they have seen some of the most brutal fighting here of past 12 years and much less restriction and development. in other parts of country opinions on the bilateral security agreement are diverse. in kunduz some are mindful that a lack of troops could leave afghan forces more vulnerable than ever. >> if the agreement to sign is go. if foreigners leave we'll be left behind. if they stay they'

. >> the president obama demonstration breathed a sigh of relief that the loya jirga in kaboom were getting a look at the security agreement. any reassurance that it was under review was from comments by hamid karzai. the concern is will the agreement be signed in time for the u.s. to move combat forces out of afghanistan and deplay a stability team in its place. the military is concerned it will not have enough time to carry out the transition. it involves tens of thousands of troops, equipment and support personnel. they want to make certain they have plenty of time to work out the logistics and the relationship necessary with the afghan military, so that it is a seamless transition. there's this consideration. if hamid karzai gets his way, and the deal is not signed into law and enacted in afghanistan until the middle of 2014, the u.s. fools that creates a vacuum of time, an opportunity for people who don't like the deal to make changes to it. the u.s. fears that it may find itself in a position that it did not want to make in iraq which is not have any u.s. forces in custody. that's wha

the loya jirga, a gathering of afghan representatives was overwhelmingly in favour of the security pact with the u.s. and wanted to signed immediately. that was in reference to hamid karzai's announcement on thursday that he won't sign the deal until after elections in april. on sunday he stuck to his position that he needed more time to get a better deal from washington. that didn't stay the head of the jirga and the drama on stage played out live on tv. >> translation: i want to repeat again - americans cannot go into our houses after the bilateral documents. they cannot kill anyone in their house. the afghan people will be safe and peace will come. it will not be a case of americans sitting in their base and then we have a war in our country. i will not accept that. >> translation: whatever the president is saying is right. americans do not have any right to enter afghan houses. they have given that to us in writing and promise. a super power cannot break their promise. if they do, we are ready to protest. >> translation: sir, no protests. terminating the bilateral, they have to prom

the loya jirga was overwhelmingly in favour with the security pact with the us, and wanted it signed immediately. >> that was in reference to hamid karzai's announcement that he won't sign the deal until after elections, on sunday he stuck to his position that he needed more time to get a better deal from washington. that didn't satisfy the head of the jirga, and the drama on stage played out live on tv. >> translation: i want to repeat again - americans cannot go into our houses after the bilateral documents, they cannot kill anyone in their house. the afghan people will be safe. it will not be a case of americans in their bases then we have a war in our country. i don't accept that. this decision will be historical. >> translation: whatever the president is saying is right. americans do not have any right to enter african houses, they have given that to us in writing. they promise a superpower cannot break their promise. if they do, we are ready to protest of the >> translation: sir, no protests. terminating the bilateral, they have to promise that they are not killing afghans in t